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Dogalmighty17:
THERE has been a rather marked loosening of immigration controls by most Western governments in the last decade. A great number of our intellectuals, skilled peoples and professionals in Nigeria have moved out or are planning to do so for a promise of a better life. That's fair.

As much as it appears as if the West has opened its doors, the underlying truth is shocking.

Anyone who has undergone a rudimentary economics class will of course have fair knowledge of what is called a tax base. You need a vibrant working population that can be taxed to run an economy. Most Western economies however, are running into a demographic time bomb. They are facing an aging population and a lesser number of young people in the workforce. The greater number of the aged puts pressure on the social welfare blanket. With fewer young people paying into these social welfare programs, with fewer young people carrying out economic activities, the social safety net gets depleted faster.

When an economy grows to a certain size, it needs a certain population figure that must be sustained otherwise everything crumbles. The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.

Furthermore, an aging Western population needs healthcare professionals. They do not have enough young people going into these fields. Even worse, the performance of young people in STEM courses across the West, has been dropping. Recent US test scores is an example.

So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

The West is drawing the best out of Nigeria. Indeed they are hollowing us out. It is slavery 2.0. It will get worse. The West will keep incentivising our best to come over and Nigeria will keep suffering as a result.

In effect, Nigeria has no hope of advancement. Not when the West is ready to absorb the best we produce. It is not their fault however. Our government and their incompetence are the cause.

Dogalmighty17:
THERE has been a rather marked loosening of immigration controls by most Western governments in the last decade. A great number of our intellectuals, skilled peoples and professionals in Nigeria have moved out or are planning to do so for a promise of a better life. That's fair.

As much as it appears as if the West has opened its doors, the underlying truth is shocking.

Anyone who has undergone a rudimentary economics class will of course have fair knowledge of what is called a tax base. You need a vibrant working population that can be taxed to run an economy. Most Western economies however, are running into a demographic time bomb. They are facing an aging population and a lesser number of young people in the workforce. The greater number of the aged puts pressure on the social welfare blanket. With fewer young people paying into these social welfare programs, with fewer young people carrying out economic activities, the social safety net gets depleted faster.

When an economy grows to a certain size, it needs a certain population figure that must be sustained otherwise everything crumbles. The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.

Furthermore, an aging Western population needs healthcare professionals. They do not have enough young people going into these fields. Even worse, the performance of young people in STEM courses across the West, has been dropping. Recent US test scores is an example.

So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

The West is drawing the best out of Nigeria. Indeed they are hollowing us out. It is slavery 2.0. It will get worse. The West will keep incentivising our best to come over and Nigeria will keep suffering as a result.

In effect, Nigeria has no hope of advancement. Not when the West is ready to absorb the best we produce. It is not their fault however. Our government and their incompetence are the cause.

Discountsempai:
1.Some of these countries are not very immigrant friendly. Japan in particular is pretty pretty anti-immigration. Russia as well. China too.

2.LANGUAGE: If you had a choice between China, Russia and Japan...where you have to learn the language, before you get a job OR US, UK and Australia...where you already speak English, which one would you choose?

3.Distance. : China and Japan for example.

BreconHills:
I completely agree with you but no one should panic. Whether we like it or not, the world is now a global market place and the only limiters are demand and skill sets. No one can stop that. Indians are now trooping enmasse to Australia and that country, New Zealand, Dubai are seeing increased immigration by UK professionals. A lot of British people are also moving to France.

What your excellent piece does ignore is the large number of "nomads" People who have licence to work from anywhere including Nigeria. This is the group with sustainable growth. Many Nigerians in this category work in two places - many prefer to spend 50-40% of their time in Nigeria due to personal reasons.

When you read NL and hear people baying about leaving the country. These are either people whose qualifications and experiences are not global and they are re- training furiously or they are under qualified people. Private enterprises will ramp up the last category ( if they are humble enough). These are guys and dolls that can't write a simple straightforward sentence and who have poor communication skills with BIG ambitions. God will help them.

Nigeria diaspora remittances will be useful for financing this last group and once diaspora find they can put in and exit funds easily they will start importing investments.

Leave the high skilled japa people where they are. Nigeria needs them there. They are doing national service.

Dogalmighty17:
THERE has been a rather marked loosening of immigration controls by most Western governments in the last decade. A great number of our intellectuals, skilled peoples and professionals in Nigeria have moved out or are planning to do so for a promise of a better life. That's fair.

As much as it appears as if the West has opened its doors, the underlying truth is shocking.

Anyone who has undergone a rudimentary economics class will of course have fair knowledge of what is called a tax base. You need a vibrant working population that can be taxed to run an economy. Most Western economies however, are running into a demographic time bomb. They are facing an aging population and a lesser number of young people in the workforce. The greater number of the aged puts pressure on the social welfare blanket. With fewer young people paying into these social welfare programs, with fewer young people carrying out economic activities, the social safety net gets depleted faster.

When an economy grows to a certain size, it needs a certain population figure that must be sustained otherwise everything crumbles. The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.

Furthermore, an aging Western population needs healthcare professionals. They do not have enough young people going into these fields. Even worse, the performance of young people in STEM courses across the West, has been dropping. Recent US test scores is an example.

So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

The West is drawing the best out of Nigeria. Indeed they are hollowing us out. It is slavery 2.0. It will get worse. The West will keep incentivising our best to come over and Nigeria will keep suffering as a result.

In effect, Nigeria has no hope of advancement. Not when the West is ready to absorb the best we produce. It is not their fault however. Our government and their incompetence are the cause.

diesel86:
I am not overtly concerned about those who are not really skilled migrating (sorry to say they would not be mostly missed).

My concern is regarding Skilled professionals who possess specialized knowledge and expertise that are crucial for various sectors, such as healthcare, engineering, and technology.

When they leave the country, their absence creates a significant void in these fields, leading to a scarcity of highly skilled workers. Consequently, Nigeria may struggle to address complex challenges and innovate within key sectors, stifling its overall development potential.

Addressing the negative impact of emigration requires a multi-faceted approach which I am not sure the government is equiped to implement or have the political will to confront.

blaise26abj:
Thanks . This is why I disagree with Obi and Gates assessment of the situation . How many japaed Nigerian’s kids will return to a country they barely know ? Unless Nigeria’s greatness and advancement will be within the next 10 years, I don’t see a sizeable return . Now we have nigerian kids who can barely speak their native language ( even within nigeria ) and they will assimilate western culture therefore finding it hard to return to Nigeria .

Anyone that might return will be the retiring parents when they have exhausted their youth in those countries. Their kids will MOST likely not return

ednut1:
Blame feminism for their low birth rates. Women in the western world no longer want kids and they prefer cats, dogs and other pets while having casual sex. Unfortunately i see Nigerians in Nigeria copying western values and lifestyle, who knows if we will alao have low birth rates one day . Me i don benefit sha. I don collect their passport and dey enjoy chilling job 🤣. Some of those that have japa will come back to Nigeria to work or invest too. So its not all doom and gloom

PoliteActivist:
Funny guy. The point is that it defeats your argument that because of their dwindling populations those countries are 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria.

PoliteActivist:
Good analysis, though skewed.
China ended one child policy in 2015, not recently.
So how come countries like China, Russia, Japan, don't want Nigerians moving there ?

Akwamkpuruamu:
Japa will only be a crime when the sons and daughters of our politicians, including our politicians stay put in Nigeria for studies, health and tourism.

Until that is achieved, nobody should deny other the chance to move out of this British business centre

musicwriter:
Very simple!

Because China and Russia didn't enslave or colonize you, so their economy didn't develope based on black slave labor or exploitation of black people.

On the contrary, European and Americans economies developed based on what black slave labor (no matter in what name it's called today) could do for them.

In life, you always go back to something you've tested and tried in the past and is assured that it works.

In other words, white people would never give up on exploitation of black people until we wake up and stop being used to serve the interest of others

Dogalmighty17:
THERE has been a rather marked loosening of immigration controls by most Western governments in the last decade. A great number of our intellectuals, skilled peoples and professionals in Nigeria have moved out or are planning to do so for a promise of a better life. That's fair.

ednut1:
Blame feminism for their low birth rates. Women in the western world no longer want kids and they prefer cats, dogs and other pets while having casual sex. Unfortunately i see Nigerians in Nigeria copying western values and lifestyle, who knows if we will alao have low birth rates one day . Me i don benefit sha. I don collect their passport and dey enjoy chilling job 🤣. Some of those that have japa will come back to Nigeria to work or invest too. So its not all doom and gloom

musicwriter:
Very simple!

Because China and Russia didn't enslave or colonize you, so their economy didn't develope based on black slave labor or exploitation of black people.

On the contrary, European and Americans economies developed based on what black slave labor (no matter in what name it's called today) could do for them.

In life, you always go back to something you've tested and tried in the past and is assured that it works.

In other words, white people would never give up on exploitation of black people until we wake up and stop being used to serve the interest of others

Discountsempai:
1.Why call me a funny guy? I was just raising some points in discussion. No malice intended.

2.I am not denying your assertion , but pointing out why China, Japan and Russia are not taking in as many professionals as US, UK and some other countries.

Problem I have with this site is that people are too too impolite for no reason.

NeloNelo:
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PoliteActivist:
Funny guy is not impolite. It is because you didn't address the point raised which is: countries don't automatically want Africans/Nigerians because their population is dwindling.

PoliteActivist:
Well OP specifically mentioned those counties. Point is, countries don't automatically want Africans/Nigerians because their population is dwindling. Those countries won't want Africans even if their population is approaching zero - and it's not because they're doing Africans any favors!

Discountsempai:
Which I kind of addressed in my point no 1.....I'll repeat it again.


1.Some of these countries are not very immigrant friendly. Japan in particular is pretty pretty anti-immigration. Russia as well. China too.

Naturally, I'm not blind, many countries, including the ones that appear to be immigration friendly really would rather have no or small immigration...restricted to those who they can use.

Hope you got me, funny guy.(You did say that 'funny guy is not impolite').

PoliteActivist:
Funny guy is not impolite at all especially when deserved. Here's what you wrote:

The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.... So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

Dogalmighty17:
THERE has been a rather marked loosening of immigration controls by most Western governments in the last decade. A great number of our intellectuals, skilled peoples and professionals in Nigeria have moved out or are planning to do so for a promise of a better life. That's fair.

As much as it appears as if the West has opened its doors, the underlying truth is shocking.

Anyone who has undergone a rudimentary economics class will of course have fair knowledge of what is called a tax base. You need a vibrant working population that can be taxed to run an economy. Most Western economies however, are running into a demographic time bomb. They are facing an aging population and a lesser number of young people in the workforce. The greater number of the aged puts pressure on the social welfare blanket. With fewer young people paying into these social welfare programs, with fewer young people carrying out economic activities, the social safety net gets depleted faster.

When an economy grows to a certain size, it needs a certain population figure that must be sustained otherwise everything crumbles. The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.

Furthermore, an aging Western population needs healthcare professionals. They do not have enough young people going into these fields. Even worse, the performance of young people in STEM courses across the West, has been dropping. Recent US test scores is an example.

So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

The West is drawing the best out of Nigeria. Indeed they are hollowing us out. It is slavery 2.0. It will get worse. The West will keep incentivising our best to come over and Nigeria will keep suffering as a result.

In effect, Nigeria has no hope of advancement. Not when the West is ready to absorb the best we produce. It is not their fault however. Our government and their incompetence are the cause.

musicwriter:
The problem is that you don't understand the OP and what I said.

Let me rephrase, Chinese and Russian economies EVOLVED WITHOUT OUR LABOR, so they don't need us.

But Euro-American economies EVOLVED WITH OUR LABOR. In other words, they're unable to develop without needing outsiders labor.

Russia and China don't need outsiders to succeed because they never did for once.

Emmaomotob:
With an intelligence and analytical prowess as low as yours, Nigeria has no hope.

Discountsempai:
I did not write that at all. You mistook me for someone else then..the OP i presume

Here is the original comment

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I think you mistook me for the person that started this thread. I am not the guy. He or she is DogalMighty... I am Discountsempai.

PoliteActivist:
Point still remains that the the post is nonsensical: China and Japan are not interested in replenishing their population with African immigrants - which he clearly stated is the case!

Discountsempai:
And, yeah, I agree with you, man.

Good afternoon....better be careful as you post. You mistook me for the OP....especially since I was agreeing with you.

Dogalmighty17:
THERE has been a rather marked loosening of immigration controls by most Western governments in the last decade. A great number of our intellectuals, skilled peoples and professionals in Nigeria have moved out or are planning to do so for a promise of a better life. That's fair.

As much as it appears as if the West has opened its doors, the underlying truth is shocking.

Anyone who has undergone a rudimentary economics class will of course have fair knowledge of what is called a tax base. You need a vibrant working population that can be taxed to run an economy. Most Western economies however, are running into a demographic time bomb. They are facing an aging population and a lesser number of young people in the workforce. The greater number of the aged puts pressure on the social welfare blanket. With fewer young people paying into these social welfare programs, with fewer young people carrying out economic activities, the social safety net gets depleted faster.

When an economy grows to a certain size, it needs a certain population figure that must be sustained otherwise everything crumbles. The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.

Furthermore, an aging Western population needs healthcare professionals. They do not have enough young people going into these fields. Even worse, the performance of young people in STEM courses across the West, has been dropping. Recent US test scores is an example.

So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

The West is drawing the best out of Nigeria. Indeed they are hollowing us out. It is slavery 2.0. It will get worse. The West will keep incentivising our best to come over and Nigeria will keep suffering as a result.

In effect, Nigeria has no hope of advancement. Not when the West is ready to absorb the best we produce. It is not their fault however. Our government and their incompetence are the cause.

Discountsempai:
Your mileage may vary on that

1.A lot of Africans live and work in China and Russia. The main reason why most do not move there is 1) Language....if you live in Africa chances are you learned French, English, and Portugeese...so you would emigrate to countries where you can start work without taking a year off to learn the language.(unless you schooled there) 2) Famillarity...education in foreign language means you learn to be famillair with the culture to some extent...so Africans go to where it is famillar.

2.European economies were not all built on slave labour.(infact some were, eg Belgium, UK , France and to a large extent the USA...)...but by the 19th century, industries were displacing the slave labour (a big reason why the Union beat the Confederates in the US civil war was because the Union was less dependent on slave labour and more dependent on industries compared to the Confederates).

Taking the US, one good invention that rendered slave labour useless was the cotton gin. Invented towards the end of the 18th century. Slave owners did not realize it then, but the thing did the work of multiples of slaves.

Mind you, as i said, this does not necessarily mean that Europeans did not use slavery,|(even after its abolition..see Belgium in the Congo) or did not set up colonies for exploitation of our raw materials, and people (slavery by another name).