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PoliteActivist:
My friend you are the one who doesn't understand. Here's what the OP wrote:

The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.... So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

I am sorry, you don't understand what I said.

Some Nigerians are lying to themselves when they think they are going to foreign countries with expertise. It is really not true. Let us not be too delusional or mentally setting up shop in an aloof territory.


Going to other African countries can translate to necessary brain drain, it can be argued to have skills transfer in benefit for that country.

But going to a current advanced country like USA, Canada, Australia, , many parts of Europe, Japan, china, Malay, even dubai or Kuwait, it is chances that you will be going to absorb knowledge at first, for the first few years, and not really give it, especially in the technical fields, medical field, educational field (some of it are subjective -- going to teach local language is not really brain drain), and stuffs like that.


Skills like plumbing, electrical, mechanic, nursing, etc are not really that immediately transferable because you have to pass a test and/or multiple test that might take years to certify, depending on how far you want to grow. They are not letting a plumber go and burst a house just because he/she was one in their home country; things are different. Even a European does not have a seamless transition of skills in these kinds of fields.

The willingness to work is what is enticing Nigerians to them, and their willingness to pay is what is enticing them to Nigerians. Their people work the kinds of jobs they seek from Nigeria, but their people might not be more diligent than a Nigerian that don't want to loose the opportunity to grow financially and mentally. Even a Nigerian 1st generation descent, mostly don't have that level of work drive.


jobs like banking are not really transferable, but it's close, to terminology, with instincts.


An oil worker in Nigeria depends on experience, for it to be transferrable over there. Even though the terminology are similar. You still need intense training and yearly or every two year knowledge updated training.


Marketing, commerce, and trading jobs, might be transferrable, but it can be a remote long term or short term job, that is why stock people, small item marketers, govt bond investors, etc even yahoo, are mostly marketing, could be real or fake marketing.


Is more that could be said on this subject, but I think overall, many Nigerian jobs are not transferable, is just that the limited skilled people with potential are picked up, but most times, their Nigerian knowledge was mediocre to begin with, before japa. The striving spirit is what we mostly have. The education system is flawed on many level, we think of how we can eat more often, how to transport ourselves or properties, security, scamming, and then people interaction. Most countries are past that, but still have problems, because their younger ones, don't really want to work hard, so they use our eagerness to work and learn, to keep their workforce moving.

musicwriter:
I am sorry, you don't understand what I said.

Funny guy, here's what you Said:

The problem is that you don't understand the OP and what I said.

When it's you that doesn't understand what the OP said!

YoungLionken:
@OP: Hope you're not from a certain tribe that blame everyone but themselves??

Because it was quick for you to blame the Westerners as if they are ones begging/coercing your people to travel over the seas..

Again, why blame those leaving instead blaming the government, who has made life almost unbearable for the majority??

Hardly before you see a Nigerian in Nigeria, who doesn't think of how to make money to meet up with the hyperinflated demands of now..

Travel out if you could without holding back...

Hope you are not from a certain tribe who will vote or make decisions that are against their personal interests just to spite a certain tribe and turn around to call that tribe haters?
Now you want him to blame the same government you help to put in power and will turn back to tell him that say he should blame others, is this not confusion you are putting on your head or didn't you understand what you are trying to say?
Must every thing turn tribal? When you want to troll someone, you need to be sure you are more intelligent than that person, you don't troll those that are ahead of you

Not with the kind of bitterness some people have against the country.

Laird:
A time may come in Nigeria when people from neighbouring countries will fill certain labour gaps.
Most youths are not learning artisan skills and most foreigners are filling the gap

already happening, people import Togolese and Beninois citizens for most jobs in the trades, our techies are gradually becoming Okada riders and uber drivers.

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bigtt76:
Good stuff.

I believe someday, those who japa would provide the much needed re-orientation the country needs to succeed.

We've had several waves of Japa over the years, what I've seen is them making money in the West, coming back home with bright ideas, only to fall under the wings of the career politicians that were in charge of the country during their sojourn.

The current cohorts may be different

olamilarks:
We've had several waves of Japa over the years, what I've seen is them making money in the West, coming back home with bright ideas, only to fall under the wings of the career politicians that were in charge of the country during their sojourn.

PoliteActivist:
Good analysis, though skewed.
China ended one child policy in 2015, not recently.
So how come countries like China, Russia, Japan, don't want Nigerians moving there ?

There racism is stronger than their will survive?

Mmm

bigtt76:
The current cohorts may be different

Perhaps, most of the military junta members are either dead or dying!!!

Women don’t owe y’all children.

One day you people are condemning them for having kids they can’t financially support because “dependent gold digger trying to trap a man with kids so that she won’t have or work yen yen yen ( cue all the usual nonsense).”

The next day there’s something wrong with them for holding out until they find a suitable partner and/or are ready themselves. or even opting out in general if they are not able to parent comfortably.

Since they are not bringing anything to the proverbial table, maybe you guys should figure out how to keep the species alive on your own. ✌🏾

ednut1:
Blame feminism for their low birth rates. Women in the western world no longer want kids and they prefer cats, dogs and other pets while having casual sex. Unfortunately i see Nigerians in Nigeria copying western values and lifestyle, who knows if we will alao have low birth rates one day . Me i don benefit sha. I don collect their passport and dey enjoy chilling job 🤣. Some of those that have japa will come back to Nigeria to work or invest too. So its not all doom and gloom

cococandy:
Women don’t owe y’all children.

One day you people are condemning them for having kids they can’t financially support because “dependent gold digger trying to trap a man with kids so that she won’t have or work yen yen yen ( cue all the usual nonsense).”

The next day there’s something wrong with them for holding out until they find a suitable partner and/or are ready themselves. or even opting out in general if they are not able to parent comfortably.

Since they are not bringing anything to the proverbial table, maybe you guys should figure out how to keep the species alive on your own. ✌🏾

everyone owes the society something or else it will collapse. Without children to replace aging work force the society collapses if they don’t turn to immigration that can wipe out their demographics. Trust white man to do what it takes to save his race. Shebi they removed abortion rights federally. Just wait and see what else they will do. 😛

cococandy:
There racism is stronger than their will survive?

Obviously. It is beyond nonsensical OP using them as examples of countries desperate for African/Nigerian immigrants!

Dogalmighty17:
THERE has been a rather marked loosening of immigration controls by most Western governments in the last decade. A great number of our intellectuals, skilled peoples and professionals in Nigeria have moved out or are planning to do so for a promise of a better life. That's fair.

As much as it appears as if the West has opened its doors, the underlying truth is shocking.

Anyone who has undergone a rudimentary economics class will of course have fair knowledge of what is called a tax base. You need a vibrant working population that can be taxed to run an economy. Most Western economies however, are running into a demographic time bomb. They are facing an aging population and a lesser number of young people in the workforce. The greater number of the aged puts pressure on the social welfare blanket. With fewer young people paying into these social welfare programs, with fewer young people carrying out economic activities, the social safety net gets depleted faster.

When an economy grows to a certain size, it needs a certain population figure that must be sustained otherwise everything crumbles. The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.

Furthermore, an aging Western population needs healthcare professionals. They do not have enough young people going into these fields. Even worse, the performance of young people in STEM courses across the West, has been dropping. Recent US test scores is an example.

So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

The West is drawing the best out of Nigeria. Indeed they are hollowing us out. It is slavery 2.0. It will get worse. The West will keep incentivising our best to come over and Nigeria will keep suffering as a result.

In effect, Nigeria has no hope of advancement. Not when the West is ready to absorb the best we produce. It is not their fault however. Our government and their incompetence are the cause.

chief we had no hope even when they were here
Or best create nothing
They just fill in the gaps

viodemus:
Some Nigerians are lying to themselves when they think they are going to foreign countries with expertise. It is really not true. Let us not be too delusional or mentally setting up shop in an aloof territory.


Going to other African countries can translate to necessary brain drain, it can be argued to have skills transfer in benefit for that country.

But going to a current advanced country like USA, Canada, Australia, , many parts of Europe, Japan, china, Malay, even dubai or Kuwait, it is chances that you will be going to absorb knowledge at first, for the first few years, and not really give it, especially in the technical fields, medical field, educational field (some of it are subjective -- going to teach local language is not really brain drain), and stuffs like that.


Skills like plumbing, electrical, mechanic, nursing, etc are not really that immediately transferable because you have to pass a test and/or multiple test that might take years to certify, depending on how far you want to grow. They are not letting a plumber go and burst a house just because he/she was one in their home country; things are different. Even a European does not have a seamless transition of skills in these kinds of fields.

The willingness to work is what is enticing Nigerians to them, and their willingness to pay is what is enticing them to Nigerians. Their people work the kinds of jobs they seek from Nigeria, but their people might not be more diligent than a Nigerian that don't want to loose the opportunity to grow financially and mentally. Even a Nigerian 1st generation descent, mostly don't have that level of work drive.


jobs like banking are not really transferable, but it's close, to terminology, with instincts.


An oil worker in Nigeria depends on experience, for it to be transferrable over there. Even though the terminology are similar. You still need intense training and yearly or every two year knowledge updated training.


Marketing, commerce, and trading jobs, might be transferrable, but it can be a remote long term or short term job, that is why stock people, small item marketers, govt bond investors, etc even yahoo, are mostly marketing, could be real or fake marketing.


Is more that could be said on this subject, but I think overall, many Nigerian jobs are not transferable, is just that the limited skilled people with potential are picked up, but most times, their Nigerian knowledge was mediocre to begin with, before japa. The striving spirit is what we mostly have. The education system is flawed on many level, we think of how we can eat more often, how to transport ourselves or properties, security, scamming, and then people interaction. Most countries are past that, but still have problems, because their younger ones, don't really want to work hard, so they use our eagerness to work and learn, to keep their workforce moving.

Very interesting take

EdiskyHarry:
The blame should be on the government.
If tinubu does not cover the lapses buhari left behind, before 2025 you may not pass educated people on the road again in Nigeria.

govt failed for 63 yrs
You still waiting for govt
You not wise

Nahunger:
What is there to understand..
Life is hard in the corn 🌽 Tree

To go school strike or hike in school fees, to give you job no, only for those with connection,
To promote you no, only for indigines,
To do business multiple tax,
To vote it doesn't count,
To farm bandits,
To learn skills no capital for start up,

To even eat food in this corn tree na war

survival of the fittest

Dogalmighty17:
THERE has been a rather marked loosening of immigration controls by most Western governments in the last decade. A great number of our intellectuals, skilled peoples and professionals in Nigeria have moved out or are planning to do so for a promise of a better life. That's fair.

As much as it appears as if the West has opened its doors, the underlying truth is shocking.

Anyone who has undergone a rudimentary economics class will of course have fair knowledge of what is called a tax base. You need a vibrant working population that can be taxed to run an economy. Most Western economies however, are running into a demographic time bomb. They are facing an aging population and a lesser number of young people in the workforce. The greater number of the aged puts pressure on the social welfare blanket. With fewer young people paying into these social welfare programs, with fewer young people carrying out economic activities, the social safety net gets depleted faster.

When an economy grows to a certain size, it needs a certain population figure that must be sustained otherwise everything crumbles. The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.

Furthermore, an aging Western population needs healthcare professionals. They do not have enough young people going into these fields. Even worse, the performance of young people in STEM courses across the West, has been dropping. Recent US test scores is an example.

So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

The West is drawing the best out of Nigeria. Indeed they are hollowing us out. It is slavery 2.0. It will get worse. The West will keep incentivising our best to come over and Nigeria will keep suffering as a result.

In effect, Nigeria has no hope of advancement. Not when the West is ready to absorb the best we produce. It is not their fault however. Our government and their incompetence are the cause.

Nigeria will benefit from it at the long run, I wrote a piece here on nairaland last month about Nigeria is going to benefit from it, if we put how house together.

PoliteActivist:
Good analysis, though skewed.
China ended one child policy in 2015, not recently.
So how come countries like China, Russia, Japan, don't want Nigerians moving there ?

Before bill gate made that statement, I already open a thread on nairaland about it benefits at the long run.

Dogalmighty17:
THERE has been a rather marked loosening of immigration controls by most Western governments in the last decade. A great number of our intellectuals, skilled peoples and professionals in Nigeria have moved out or are planning to do so for a promise of a better life. That's fair.

As much as it appears as if the West has opened its doors, the underlying truth is shocking.

Anyone who has undergone a rudimentary economics class will of course have fair knowledge of what is called a tax base. You need a vibrant working population that can be taxed to run an economy. Most Western economies however, are running into a demographic time bomb. They are facing an aging population and a lesser number of young people in the workforce. The greater number of the aged puts pressure on the social welfare blanket. With fewer young people paying into these social welfare programs, with fewer young people carrying out economic activities, the social safety net gets depleted faster.

When an economy grows to a certain size, it needs a certain population figure that must be sustained otherwise everything crumbles. The death rate in the West is greater than its birth rate. Japan is already panicking. China recently reversed its 1 child policy. The damage however may appear to have been done. They won't wait for their population to grow because it is impossible at this point. It is faster to import immigrants.

Furthermore, an aging Western population needs healthcare professionals. They do not have enough young people going into these fields. Even worse, the performance of young people in STEM courses across the West, has been dropping. Recent US test scores is an example.

So what does the West do? They resort to 'siphoning' professionals all across Africa and Nigeria is a major focal point.

The West is drawing the best out of Nigeria. Indeed they are hollowing us out. It is slavery 2.0. It will get worse. The West will keep incentivising our best to come over and Nigeria will keep suffering as a result.

In effect, Nigeria has no hope of advancement. Not when the West is ready to absorb the best we produce. It is not their fault however. Our government and their incompetence are the cause.

I must follow you and follow this Sensitization thread.

Well the factors that have compelled the UK to loosen her border for Nigerians in particular and Africans in general are diverse. Researches have shown that two of the chief causes that were discovered as being responsible are BREXIT and COVID-19.

Prior to Brexit, the majority of non UK citizens that worked with NHS were EU nationals. With the Brexit situation, the migration laws and labour laws changed coupled with the fact that the Europeans that worked with NHS were leaving the UK because of the uncertainty attached to Brexit, a shortfall in the healthcare personnel arose. When you throw in the mix, the humanitarian crisis occasioned by COVID-19 in the face of already overworked NHS staffers, it became imperative for the UK to open her borders to more non-EU nationals especially from low wage countries like Nigeria.

Buhari4dullard:
With Quota system.
Our brightest educated can't get jobs.

Instead the jobs go to the forever educational deprived areas.

Yet the same educational deprived areas refuse to go to school, while landing the best jobs.

Then we expect the bright min

ds to waste their minds ❓️❓️

Go forbid.

Let them japa

While they are running away from Nigeria - foreigners from Labanon, China, Eastern Europe, Niger Republic are taking over the country

By the time racism, bills and divorce/alimony and western evil lifestyle slap them gama gama for abroad

They will return to a country they will barely recognize as their ancestral lands would have been taken over by foreigners

CHECK THE RATE WHITES and ASIANS ARE NATURALIZING AS NIGERIANS - taking the very citizenship we are so desperate to throw away

You japa-ing - your future generations will come back 2 work for them as slaves - take a look @ UGANDA / ZAMBIA and ZIMBABWE etc

These countries are lost to the ASIANS, LEBANESE, ARABS and WHITES already - in 10 to 20 years from now that will be Nigeria's story

Make ona dey japa ---------- hmmmm - what i am seeing in the future will not be pretty for NIGERIA

viodemus:
Some Nigerians are lying to themselves when they think they are going to foreign countries with expertise. It is really not true. Let us not be too delusional or mentally setting up shop in an aloof territory.


Going to other African countries can translate to necessary brain drain, it can be argued to have skills transfer in benefit for that country.

But going to a current advanced country like USA, Canada, Australia, , many parts of Europe, Japan, china, Malay, even dubai or Kuwait, it is chances that you will be going to absorb knowledge at first, for the first few years, and not really give it, especially in the technical fields, medical field, educational field (some of it are subjective -- going to teach local language is not really brain drain), and stuffs like that.


Skills like plumbing, electrical, mechanic, nursing, etc are not really that immediately transferable because you have to pass a test and/or multiple test that might take years to certify, depending on how far you want to grow. They are not letting a plumber go and burst a house just because he/she was one in their home country; things are different. Even a European does not have a seamless transition of skills in these kinds of fields.

The willingness to work is what is enticing Nigerians to them, and their willingness to pay is what is enticing them to Nigerians. Their people work the kinds of jobs they seek from Nigeria, but their people might not be more diligent than a Nigerian that don't want to loose the opportunity to grow financially and mentally. Even a Nigerian 1st generation descent, mostly don't have that level of work drive.


jobs like banking are not really transferable, but it's close, to terminology, with instincts.


An oil worker in Nigeria depends on experience, for it to be transferrable over there. Even though the terminology are similar. You still need intense training and yearly or every two year knowledge updated training.


Marketing, commerce, and trading jobs, might be transferrable, but it can be a remote long term or short term job, that is why stock people, small item marketers, govt bond investors, etc even yahoo, are mostly marketing, could be real or fake marketing.


Is more that could be said on this subject, but I think overall, many Nigerian jobs are not transferable, is just that the limited skilled people with potential are picked up, but most times, their Nigerian knowledge was mediocre to begin with, before japa. The striving spirit is what we mostly have. The education system is flawed on many level, we think of how we can eat more often, how to transport ourselves or properties, security, scamming, and then people interaction. Most countries are past that, but still have problems, because their younger ones, don't really want to work hard, so they use our eagerness to work and learn, to keep their workforce moving.

Fellow, I disagree with your submission. Many skills are transferable only that standards set by regulating bodies of different professions are different. A good bricklayer in Nigeria will equally be able to cope and work perfectly in any other countries if only he is ready to learn and relearn proper working techniques adopted by the new abode. Though, environment maybe different, standard are different, building codes, wiring codes etc can easily be learnt once the person is intelligent and have a minimum educational qualification like, school leaving certificate if obtained genuinely. Major problem Nigerians has is not working under strict ethical environment. Nigeria is a place where anything goes, no proper certifications for many trades. Anyone can claim to be anything. A good mechanic, artisan, plumber, and any skilled personnel will equal be able to work and adapt with new system if it is retrain and certified. Though Nigerians see themselves as mediocre but outside Nigeria, Nigerians adapt and keep improving themselves in many fields. Even our so called lecturers do perform when working outside the countries. Churning out qualities papers, which are rated high in their field. it is the country that is killing everyone, so don't assume that Nigerians dont change when outside.

ednut1:
Blame feminism for their low birth rates. Women in the western world no longer want kids and they prefer cats, dogs and other pets while having casual sex. Unfortunately i see Nigerians in Nigeria copying western values and lifestyle, who knows if we will alao have low birth rates one day . Me i don benefit sha. I don collect their passport and dey enjoy chilling job 🤣. Some of those that have japa will come back to Nigeria to work or invest too. So its not all doom and gloom

Not feminism. It's a known fact that the richer and more educated a country gets the less children people choose to have. Even in Nigeria, most educated young people don't want to have 5,6 or 7 children like their parents had. Educated Muslim men are no longer marrying 3 to 4 wives anymore.

ednut1:
Blame feminism for their low birth rates. Women in the western world no longer want kids and they prefer cats, dogs and other pets while having casual sex. Unfortunately i see Nigerians in Nigeria copying western values and lifestyle, who knows if we will alao have low birth rates one day . Me i don benefit sha. I don collect their passport and dey enjoy chilling job 🤣. Some of those that have japa will come back to Nigeria to work or invest too. So its not all doom and gloom

It's not just feminism. The more educated or informed about something, the more You know about the cost of having and maintaining it like a car or a house or a child.
An accountant or a doctor or a music Star, If the 3 of them have a Million dollars given to them. Who is least likely to buy a Bentley or Benz or a mansion for personal use
Of course the accountant is least likely
to buy the car or house for personal use because he is aware that the car is a liability.
N The Music star might buy the car to attract his fans and promoters to bwlw perceived socially market value and social status . The doctor might maybe buy the car or house to show book smarts can drive Bentley too or live in a mansion . The accountant is more informed about the car or house being a financial Liability and can only buy them if they help to reduce tax payments ( another discussion on its own).
Please note all this are examples
In Developed countries, people have access to information and are well Informed that children are responsibilities and duties with school daily drop offs and pickups, child carers fees being expensive assignments, feeding,. medical care, cable subscription, school fees, rents , energy bills and medical bills and teen-agers and kids would also expect the parents to support them until they can stand on their own of which 21sr century capitalism does not assure each child being born of a well paid job or a prosperous career in the child's field.of study or training
That's a whole lot of responsibility as not everyone in developed countries have a lot of cash and so some people try to manage their expenses and costs including child care
Private secondary school in USA is 50 thousand dollars per year. How many citizens can afford it for their children.
So because people in developed countries are aware that more children equals more bills and responsibilities and less personal time
without the guarantee of more income. They tend to have less children as most people in developed countries are average income earners but not rich or wealthy

okuta007:
While they are running away from Nigeria - foreigners from Labanon, China, Eastern Europe, Niger Republic are taking over the country

By the time racism, bills and divorce/alimony and western evil lifestyle slap them gama gama for abroad

They will return to a country they will barely recognize as their ancestral lands would have been taken over by foreigners

CHECK THE RATE WHITES and ASIANS ARE NATURALIZING AS NIGERIANS - taking the very citizenship we are so desperate to throw away

You japa-ing - your future generations will come back 2 work for them as slaves - take a look @ UGANDA / ZAMBIA and ZIMBABWE etc

These countries are lost to the ASIANS, LEBANESE, ARABS and WHITES already - in 10 to 20 years from now that will be Nigeria's story

Make ona dey japa ---------- hmmmm - what i am seeing in the future will not be pretty for NIGERIA

Only few Nigerians are able to Japa, so we still have over 200millions Nigerians living in Nigeria. So amount of person japaing , it won't have negative effect. People are replacable. Exaggerated circumstances you portrayed in your mind will never come to reality.

Laird:
It's not just feminism. The more educated or informed about something, the more You know about the cost of having and maintaining it like a car or a house or a child.
An accountant or a doctor or a music Star, If the 3 of them have a Million dollars given to them. Who is least likely to buy a Bentley or Benz or a mansion for personal use
Of course the accountant is least likely
to buy the car or house for personal use because he is aware that the car is a liability.
N The Music star might buy the car to attract his fans and promoters to bwlw perceived socially market value and social status . The doctor might maybe buy the car or house to show book smarts can drive Bentley too or live in a mansion . The accountant is more informed about the car or house being a financial Liability and can only buy them if they help to reduce tax payments ( another discussion on its own).
Please note all this are examples
In Developed countries, people have access to information and are well Informed that children are responsibilities and duties with school daily drop offs and pickups, child carers fees being expensive assignments, feeding,. medical care, cable subscription, school fees, rents , energy bills and medical bills and teen-agers and kids would also expect the parents to support them until they can stand on their own of which 21sr century capitalism does not assure each child being born of a well paid job or a prosperous career in the child's field.of study or training
That's a whole lot of responsibility as not everyone in developed countries have a lot of cash and so some people try to manage their expenses and costs including child care
Private secondary school in USA is 50 thousand dollars per year. How many citizens can afford it for their children.
So because people in developed countries are aware that more children equals more bills and responsibilities and less personal time
without the guarantee of more income. They tend to have less children as most people in developed countries are average income earners but not rich or wealthy

whether individuals are well informed or educated is not the real reason. In those advanced societies it is a crime not to be responsible. Here any useless man can impregnate a woman and still not responsible, even if married to the woman it is laws and implementation of laws that make those system to be working. There are many Nigerians who are totally irresponsible. Many Nigerians don't want to pay bill unless they are forced to do so.

acorntree:
whether individuals are well informed or educated is not the real reason. In those advanced societies it is a crime not to be responsible. Here any useless man can impregnate a woman and still not responsible, even if married to the woman it is laws and implementation of laws that make those system to be working. There are many Nigerians who are totally irresponsible. Many Nigerians don't want to pay bill unless they are forced to do so.

Do You know the amount of women in the developed world that want children for personal selfish social benefits ( from.the government and from the father; Child support) because of the enabling Laws there

https://www.nairaland.com/7737436/actor-kevin-costners-estranged-wife

These are whites ooo not Africans. Having a child is now perceived by many women in the developed world as a scheme to collect a huge more than needed portion of a man's resources especially when the man is well to do

It is not for the child's welfare. The child is a means for them to get money and benefits from the government and the father.
If child support is reduced to basic minimum, all this getting pregnant for a man to access his assets while the child gets a tiny fraction would reduce. PregnancyPreneurs would reduce

BreconHills:
You are part of the last group I am talking about. They speak in Twitter sound bites but lack substance.
Find some points in what I wrote and take me up on them. I am waiting.

It is not too hard bro. In the olden days in east Asia, after a country has been conquered in war, all writers, artists and noble men are shipped away. It is only then that the civilization dies. If stone age people know the importance of taking away intellectuals, how can a supposed learned individual like you say that remittance is enough justification for losing the best minds in a country? The problem with Nigeria is not the dumb and illiterate people, they know their place. It is those that think they are smart, but aren't. They are obnoxious and never allow true genius to flourish. That's the real tragedy.

acorntree:
Fellow, I disagree with your submission. Many skills are transferable only that standards set by regulating bodies of different professions are different. A good bricklayer in Nigeria will equally be able to cope and work perfectly in any other countries if only he is ready to learn and relearn proper working techniques adopted by the new abode. Though, environment maybe different, standard are different, building codes, wiring codes etc can easily be learnt once the person is intelligent and have a minimum educational qualification like, school leaving certificate if obtained genuinely. Major problem Nigerians has is not working under strict ethical environment. Nigeria is a place where anything goes, no proper certifications for many trades. Anyone can claim to be anything. A good mechanic, artisan, plumber, and any skilled personnel will equal be able to work and adapt with new system if it is retrain and certified. Though Nigerians see themselves as mediocre but outside Nigeria, Nigerians adapt and keep improving themselves in many fields. Even our so called lecturers do perform when working outside the countries. Churning out qualities papers, which are rated high in their field. it is the country that is killing everyone, so don't assume that Nigerians dont change when outside.

chairman, I hope I didn't make it look like Nigerians don't change when outside the country. Matter of fact, that ability and willingness to learn and work in the beginning
when things are rough is one of the hiring point of seeking Nigerians. The chances that the person has some elementary and secondary education is also high, and is a good foundation of hiring from Nigeria.



A mechanic that plans to work in an official mechanic work shop straight from Nigeria is low, because it involves education - like in USA, you need to pass the ACE test. But unofficial work, is easy to adapt and get up to transferable speed because now, the person can use the exact part or reconstruct a part very similar to the original one. I know a mechanic that used to work on my car for years, that when he went to the USA, he couldn't get a good job at first, because he couldn't pass the test, and unofficially, the stakes were high because you can't mess up the car too much with akpuruka parts. This mechanic in Nigeria, could use paper clips to complete a wiring system. But in an advanced country, where driving is much, that repair will not stand the times and the car will be back in the shop sooner than later, because think about it, an aluminum clip has a slightly different electrical characteristics, that when you put it in an oscilloscope test, you might notice that the wave form has changed, which can cause timing or duty cycle issues when that component is a sensor that sends signal back to the electronic control module - that is supposed to control the car. Or, that the component like a solenoid that the car is ecu is supposed to control is either too fast or too slow to respond.

So basically, that skill is not that fast to transfer over there, and like you rightly said, knowledge of their codes like building codes etc. Jobs like computer programming is dependent on the knowledge of programming language used, which makes it the most transferable knowledge in the shortest time.