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Penguin2:
What epistles?

That you said Obi will not win a single Local Government during the presidential election, and I wrote to the contrary and stated how you were wrong.

Then you moved to “he will not win a single state; Atiku will win Anambra.” I wrote again to disprove your claim.

Then you moved to Obi will not get up to 1million votes and once again I wrote to demonstrate that you were wrong.

What happened in the end?

Did Obi not win a Local Government?

Did he not win a state?

Did he not score above 1 million votes?

Recall how I wrote here that Obi will win Lagos and you said it was malaria?

I said he would win Abuja and you said Abuja is Atiku’s fortress.

All of these came to pass.

What have I written here that was wrong?

Some of you people can lie ridiculously.

Below is the thread you are referring to. Abeg where did I mention winning a local government in the said thread even though the question was 8 months before the election

See, you don't need to lie to support your argument

https://www.nairaland.com/7189355/obi-receive-20-votes-ss

Christistruth03:
Saraki the Senate President was a British Citizen

Now have you asked why his case failed?

Have you asked if it was properly instituted?

Have you asked if the person that instituted the case had the locus standi to do so?

Saraki’s case was taken to court way after the window for such redress had elapsed.

Again, it was instituted by a meddlesome interloper.

Get your facts right.

Penguin2:
Now have you asked why his case failed?

Have you asked if it was properly instituted?

Have you asked if the person that instituted the case had the locus standi to do so?

Saraki’s case was taken to court way after the window for such redress had elapsed.

Again, it was instituted by a meddlesome interloper.

Get your facts right.

Actually, you are wrong again.

It was only in the 2022 electoral amendment that only candidates or aspirants can challenge the credentials of candidates and aspirant (This is stated in Section 29(5) of the Electoral Act 2022)

Case example here include the case against David Lyon and the fact that the late Chief Gani Fawehinmi challenged (then governor) President Tinubu's credentials.

helinues:
Some of you people can lie ridiculously.

Below is the thread you are referring to. Abeg where did I mention winning a local government in the said thread even though the question was 8 months before the election

See, you don't need to lie to support your argument

https://www.nairaland.com/7189355/obi-receive-20-votes-ss

What you need to understand is that when I said “you”, I wasn’t referring to the singular “you” but to the totality of your ilk.

Or would you deny some of your ilks making those claims?

And even to you in particular, this was you claiming that Obi cannot score anything above 15% in any Southsouth State because of Okowa and PDP spending power.

Such claims were what I wrote against. Now, post election, who was right and who was wrong between you and I?

Mynd44:
In the case of Shetimma, he participated in the primary, won and his name was sent to INEC. He then wrote to INEC informing them of his unwillingness to continue as the Senate candidate.

Also not that the position of VP is not an elective one. Just a spare in a joint ticket as he is not the main candidate.

In the case of both Obi and GRV, They resigned and left. As per the rules or election in Nigeria, there is a time limit for which you can pull out of election and not appearing on the day of the primary does not mean you pulled out, it only makes you absent. But you are still an aspirant.

As For LP register, candidates don't contest election in Nigeria, parties do. You have to be a member of the party to contest the election. Obi and GRV were not members of LP When they were nominated meaning they were not candidates in the first place.

There is a reason Wole Olanipekun added that to his preliminary objection. Refer to the judgment between Adeleke and Oyetola. Where the Supreme Court said the tribunal was wrong to have not considered the preliminary objection before diving into the case of Adeleke's alleged forgery case.

As for the first two sentences you wrote, it is common of Labor party supporters to resort to insults and foul talk. Keep it up, you are getting there

You fired the first shot and you are the first to cry. He who live in a glass house doesn't throw the first stone

Penguin2:
What you need to understand is that when I said “you”, I wasn’t referring to the singular “you” but to the totality of your ilk.

Or would you deny some of your ilks making those claims?

And even to you in particular, this was you claiming that Obi cannot score anything above 15% in any Southsouth State because of Okowa and PDP spending power.

Such claims were what I wrote against. Now, post election, who was right and who was wrong between you and I?

So it's now my ilks not me in particular.. Interesting.

As you can see that analysis was Jun last year 8 months before the election. Now how about the rest of my analysis which are in majority that are just reality of today?

The Muslim Muslim ticket suggestions Shettima precisely?

That South South should have the SP as the president would be from SW

That SE would again missed out in the top 5 political positions

Point out to any of your analysis on this forum that you have been active that get close to reality?

drugBaronTINUBU:
APC is experiencing true opposition now
PDP was just doing big man for them and allow them to totally destroyed the country

Now before dey make any policies, they will think twice and push it out unofficially to see the reactions

It is crystal clear LP are looking for short cuts to the govt house, thats not opposition

PDP is mature enough to know punch below the belts will never amount to knockout

Mynd44:
Actually, you are wrong again.

It was only in the 2022 electoral amendment that only candidates or aspirants can challenge the credentials of candidates and aspirant (This is stated in Section 29(5) of the Electoral Act 2022)

Case example here include the case against David Lyon and the fact that the late Chief Gani Fawehinmi challenged (then governor) President Tinubu's credentials.

No sir!

Even 2010 Electoral Act didn’t give every Tom, Dick and Harry the unlimited right to sue any candidate that participated in an election.

Under that Act, a plaintiff must show cause how he’s affected by the case he’s litigating on.

Again, you haven’t answered if the case was instituted within the window provided for such redress. Because Saraki had been declared by INEC since February of 2015 and Saraki was taken to court after he outwitted Tinubu to become Senate President in June. That’s more than 21 days window provided for redress after an election (or was it even lower in the 2010 Electoral Act).

The Tinubu vs Gani case you are referring to happened in the early 2000s when not even the 2010 Electoral Act nor other Amendments to the constitution had been made. That’s why he could do it then. Things are more stringent now.

helinues:
So it's now my ilks not me in particular.. Interesting.

As you can see that analysis was Jun last year 8 months before the election. Now how about the rest of my analysis which are in majority that are just reality of today?

The Muslim Muslim ticket suggestions Shettima precisely?

That South South should have the SP as the president would be from SW

That SE would again missed out in the top 5 political positions

Point out to any of your analysis on this forum that you have been active that get close to reality?

The Muslim Muslim ticket made Tinubu lose the election like I, and other right thinking Nigerians, told you before the election but INEC rigged Tinubu in.

Again, you cannot hide under making the state 8 months before the election as your excuse because it would only expose your poor foresight and judgment. Because as far back as that 8 months before the election I was consistent with telling you what the outcome of the election would be in each region of the country. What do you say to that?

About who would get SP and what appointments, those were post INEC selection projections that was left you people alone to decide on. What’s our business with that?

chidiokay:
It is crystal clear LP are looking for short cuts to the govt house, thats not opposition

PDP is mature enough to know punch below the belts will never amount to knockout

Then you are kid.

anything LP is doing now, go back to 2011 to 2015, CPC/ACN before the formation of APC did worst.

the fuel subsidy removal u are suffering today, GEJ removed it in 2012 january. it was Buhari and Tinubu that sponsored the biggest protest against the govt as at them. GEJ begged, NOI explained, Sanusi tried all he could to explain to us why subsidy must go, but Tinubu led ACN, and buhari led CPC deceived nigerians that there is nothing like subsidy that the govt were just siphoning money and called it subsidy and Nigerians fell for Tinubu and Buhari lies.
GEJ govt had to yield and move on.

today, the same buhari that said subsidy is a scam paid it for 8yrs
same tinubu that sponsored those the protest against its removal then. was the one that removed it.

APC was formed on lies, deception and propaganda. till now, the party is still moving along that line

Penguin2:
The Muslim Muslim ticket made Tinubu lose the election like I, and other right thinking Nigerians, told you before the election but INEC rigged Tinubu in.

Again, you cannot hide under making the state 8 months before the election as your excuse because it would only expose your poor foresight and judgment. Because as far back as that 8 months before the election I was consistent with telling you what the outcome of the election would be in each region of the country. What do you say to that?

About who would get SP and what appointments, those were post INEC selection projections that was left you people alone to decide on. What’s our business with that?

It would be hypocrital of you to keep on mentioning rigging as if there have ever been any free and credible election in Nigeria before. Rigging in Nigeria is being done by all the political parties, only that the highest rigger always win.

Wike has been in Pdp for decades, rigging for Pdp broad day light, you people saw nothing wrong about it cos it was favouring you, now that the table has been turned around, you want to be forming holy of something you have been beneficiary of. Hahaha things no dey work like that.

Kyrgyzstan, if I am not mistaken is one of the most matured democracy in the world but their last election was flopped due to rigging which was unprecedented, that's one of the most rated country oo not to talk about Nigeria

Were you Obidients expecting 100% free, fair and credible election in the last general election? Where were you and other opposition when the new electoral law was being debated at both houses?

You ate your cake already, so stop asking us about it's whereabout

It's because of a day like this, the below thread was created should Incase of had I known

https://www.nairaland.com/7230596/important-things-should-discussing-during

Penguin2:
I cited that case because it is the most recent decision of the Supreme Court that established that the Governor and the Deputy Governor are tied to the same umbilical chord; that is to say that if anything is later found defective on Hamzat, Sanwolu goes with him.

I was referring to the case because its facts and materials are same with Hamzat’s present case.

LABOUR PARTY & ORS v. ISHOLA & ORS (2014) LPELR-24386(CA)

“… when a Nigerian by Naturalisation or Registration acquires the citizenship of another country he loses his right as a naturalized Nigeria. Such a person would not be able to contest any election into any elative office in Nigeria. However, a Nigerian by birth who thereafter acquires the citizenship of another country i.e. America as in the instant case does not lose his right to vie for any elective office in Nigeria being a citizen by birth and not by naturalization or registration.” Per, MUDASHIRU NASIRU ONIYANGI ,J.C.A ( Pp. 18-23, paras. F-A )

Funny enough, LP was the petitioner in the case. If the party had checked the decision of the court in previous cases it was involved in, they won’t even bother going to court over the matter. Anyway, I won’t get tired of schooling you in this forum till you stop posting nonsense.

Christistruth03:
Saraki the Senate President was a British Citizen

But he never renounce his Nigerian Citizenship.

aswani:
For me, this is where you argument falls apart and becomes an interpretation.

Hamzat can rightfully argue that he has never sought to be elected Gorvernor and those parts of the constitution do not apply to him.

He only has to satisfy parts of the constitution relating to Deputy Governors.

Also per your argument of him stepping in if anything happens to the Gorvernor, this can be extrapolated to everyone in the hierarchy of governance in the state (after the deputy governor) starting from the Leader of the State House of Assembly leader. Do they all have to fulfill the constitutional requirement of a Gorvernorship candidate too

Don't you think you have lent yourself to that which you accused the OP?.
Is it about what Hamzat thinks or believes, or the letter and nature of the constitutional provision?.

Mynd44:
Penguin2

Did you read Section 29 of the Nigerian constitution as pertaining to renouncing citizenships?

Being Nigerian by birth subsits registration so he is a Nigerian.

Do you know that Hamzat actually indicated this on his INEC form too?

Plus that lime barring executives only refers to Nigerians by nationalization not birth

Do you know meaning of allegiance to another sovereign state?

joyandfaith:
Do you know meaning of allegiance to another sovereign state?

See the meaning below 👇

LABOUR PARTY & ORS v. ISHOLA & ORS (2014) LPELR-24386(CA)

“… when a Nigerian by Naturalisation or Registration acquires the citizenship of another country he loses his right as a naturalized Nigeria. Such a person would not be able to contest any election into any elative office in Nigeria. However, a Nigerian by birth who thereafter acquires the citizenship of another country i.e. America as in the instant case does not lose his right to vie for any elective office in Nigeria being a citizen by birth and not by naturalization or registration.” Per, MUDASHIRU NASIRU ONIYANGI ,J.C.A ( Pp. 18-23, paras. F-A )

seunmsg:
See the meaning below 👇

LABOUR PARTY & ORS v. ISHOLA & ORS (2014) LPELR-24386(CA)

“… when a Nigerian by Naturalisation or Registration acquires the citizenship of another country he loses his right as a naturalized Nigeria. Such a person would not be able to contest any election into any elative office in Nigeria. However, a Nigerian by birth who thereafter acquires the citizenship of another country i.e. America as in the instant case does not lose his right to vie for any elective office in Nigeria being a citizen by birth and not by naturalization or registration.” Per, MUDASHIRU NASIRU ONIYANGI ,J.C.A ( Pp. 18-23, paras. F-A )

There are different types of citizenship. Allegiance to another sovereign state to acquire a specific type of citizenship is the issue here.

Mynd44:
In the case of Shetimma, he participated in the primary, won and his name was sent to INEC. He then wrote to INEC informing them of his unwillingness to continue as the Senate candidate.

Also not that the position of VP is not an elective one. Just a spare in a joint ticket as he is not the main candidate.

In the case of both Obi and GRV, They resigned and left. As per the rules or election in Nigeria, there is a time limit for which you can pull out of election and not appearing on the day of the primary does not mean you pulled out, it only makes you absent. But you are still an aspirant.

As For LP register, candidates don't contest election in Nigeria, parties do. You have to be a member of the party to contest the election. Obi and GRV were not members of LP When they were nominated meaning they were not candidates in the first place.

There is a reason Wole Olanipekun added that to his preliminary objection. Refer to the judgment between Adeleke and Oyetola. Where the Supreme Court said the tribunal was wrong to have not considered the preliminary objection before diving into the case of Adeleke's alleged forgery case.

As for the first two sentences you wrote, it is common of Labor party supporters to resort to insults and foul talk. Keep it up, you are getting there

I would have preferred if you are providing proof to your claims as you make them.

Below is section 77 of the Electoral Act 2022 which talked about parties submitting their register to INEC; end of discussion.

No mention was made of any consequence to non submission.

No mention was made about a party not sponsoring any member whose name was not in the register submitted to INEC.

So where are you really getting the ground for your submissions?

drugBaronTINUBU:
Then you are kid.

anything LP is doing now, go back to 2011 to 2015, CPC/ACN before the formation of APC did worst.

the fuel subsidy removal u are suffering today, GEJ removed it in 2012 january. it was Buhari and Tinubu that sponsored the biggest protest against the govt as at them. GEJ begged, NOI explained, Sanusi tried all he could to explain to us why subsidy must go, but Tinubu led ACN, and buhari led CPC deceived nigerians that there is nothing like subsidy that the govt were just siphoning money and called it subsidy and Nigerians fell for Tinubu and Buhari lies.
GEJ govt had to yield and move on.

today, the same buhari that said subsidy is a scam paid it for 8yrs
same tinubu that sponsored those the protest against its removal then. was the one that removed it.

APC was formed on lies, deception and propaganda. till now, the party is still moving along that line

What wrong with being a kid? abi no be same head we take do kid still dey our neck

2011 election went smoothly becos there was no doubt pdp/Jonathan won ... i don't recall ACN playing a religious or tribal card in 2011 and i don't remember Buhari/cpc asking court to disqualify Jonathan and announce him president.

You are beginning to sound like broken record, i don't have time for all that nonsense talk of, even Goodluck Jonathan you dimwit are using as justification to be unreasonable .. as moved on. abeg clear

joyandfaith:
There are different types of citizenship. Allegiance to another sovereign state to acquire a specific type of citizenship is the issue here.

So, explain to us how the American citizenship obtained by Ishola in the case referenced above is different from the American citizenship obtained by Hamzat?

seunmsg:
So, explain to us how the American citizenship obtained by Ishola in the case referenced above is different from the American citizenship obtained by Hamzat?

The key word is renouncing. Anyway you can go to court.

chidiokay:
What wrong with being a kid? abi no be same head we take do kid still dey our neck

2011 election went smoothly becos there was no doubt pdp/Jonathan won ... i don't recall ACN playing a religious or tribal card in 2011 and i don't remember Buhari/cpc asking court to disqualify Jonathan and announce him president.

You are beginning to sound like broken record, i don't have time for all that nonsense talk of, even Goodluck Jonathan you dimwit are using as justification to be unreasonable .. as moved on. abeg clear

now i know you are really a kid and very much unaware of what truly happened in nigeria in 2011.
i will educate you.

the biggest post election violence ever to happen in Nigeria took place in 2011.

thousands of Nigerians, especially christians were murdered in the North simply because Buhari lost an election. hundreds of houses were burnt down with people in it. from kaduna, to kano, to sokoto etc. anyone seen as christian was immediately killed.

go and read about the aftermath of 2011 election.

before GEJ declared in 2015 that his ambition is not worth the blood of any NIgerian, it was based on what we witnessed in 2011.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2011/4/20/hundreds-dead-in-nigeria-post-poll-violence

https://www.hrw.org/news/2011/05/16/nigeria-post-election-violence-killed-800

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-nigeria-violence-idUSTRE74F71S20110516

joyandfaith:
The key word is renouncing. Anyway you can go to court.

Everyone that acquires American citizenship by registration or naturalization swear to the same oath of allegiance. Ishola in the decided case and Hamzat swore to the same oath of allegiance. Irrespective of the oath they swore, they both remain Nigeria citizens with full rights of a Nigerian. You guys should stop arguing over what is as clear as daylight.

Hundeyin is a fool and psychotic. He’s really looking desperately for asylum in the UK and using twitter. Hoping he can get proof he needs it. UK will soon deport him, so he can come to Nigeria and spread lies. That form signed is signed by everyone that gets US citizenship. US allows dual citizenship. You cannot denounce Nigerian citizenship by signing US citizenship form. That is a different process to denounce Nigeria citizenship.

Though I believe for our public office holders, only Nigeria citizenship should be allowed. But the law allows dual.

Hundeyin lies a lot, and definitely battling a mental issue. Also even if the Deputy is disqualified, it does not in anyway affect Sanwoolu. Deputy can resign and be replaced. The party did not pick him, Sanwoolu did after winning party primary.

Christistruth03:
Saraki the Senate President was a British Citizen

You should find out what renounce or naturalization means first

Let me emancipate you

Naturalisation is, however, a conscious decision to become a citizen of a foreign country by sending an application to the relevant government authorities or head of state.

Go study

00FFT00:
Don't you think you have lent yourself to that which you accused the OP?.
Is it about what Hamzat thinks or believes, or the letter and nature of the constitutional provision?.

Penguin2 has clarified things, my response to that supersedes your questions.

You are right though, it's all about the constitution and how vague it might or might not be.

drugBaronTINUBU:
now i know you are really a kid and very much unaware of what truly happened in nigeria in 2011.
i will educate you.

the biggest post election violence ever to happen in Nigeria took place in 2011.

thousands of Nigerians, especially christians were murdered in the North simply because Buhari lost an election. hundreds of houses were burnt down with people in it. from kaduna, to kano, to sokoto etc. anyone seen as christian was immediately killed.

go and read about the aftermath of 2011 election.

before GEJ declared in 2015 that his ambition is not worth the blood of any NIgerian, it was based on what we witnessed in 2011.

it is relieving to know you will die before me grandpa,

Now where is these meaningless tales by sunlight headed, what is the justification here.
Buhari and jonathan are gone, so why are they the subject matter that reads LP vs APC.

How did we even get here;

LP is looking for short cuts to govt house, they want court to disqualify Tinubu and sanwo olu .. so they can take over even when it clear they didnt meet the requirements

Obi only has 25% in FCT to his name,

GRV, that one no even come close in any way.. awon weyrey 🤭

chidiokay:
it is relieving to know you will die before me grandpa,

Now where is these meaningless tales by sunlight headed, what is the justification here.
Buhari and jonathan are gone, so why are they the subject matter that reads LP vs APC.

How did we even get here;

LP is looking for short cuts to govt house, they want court to disqualify Tinubu and sanwo olu .. so they can take over even when it clear they didnt meet the requirements

Obi only has 25% in FCT to his name,

GRV, that one no even come close in any way.. awon weyrey 🤭

🤣🤣
Ignorance is ur problem

Mynd44:
The position of deputy governor is exclusively the affair of the party now.

Always have.

If the deputy governor is disqualified by death, voluntary stepping down, resignation or court, the party nominates a new one. Or did anyone vote for Sanwo-Olu/Hamzat or APC?

Of Court?
Not true.
They are tied to the same umbilical cord... If anything hits Hamzat now, Sanwo-Olu is gone.

You are not even bothered about Obi and GRV 's double nomination from both PDP and LP and also the fact that as at the time their names were sent to INEC as candidates, they were not even recognised members of LP.

One was cleared and screened by the PDP before he pulled out hours before the primary election.

Same as Peter Obi.

And as the electorla act has said, you can't contest for the same position in two different parties.

The legal knowledge of LP surpporters is really something to love.

1. These are pre-election matters and have expired.

2. An Appeal Court has cleared Obi hence a lower Court will do nothing.

3. These are intra-Party issues and no other person except aspirants who participated in the Primary can sue.

4. The APC or any other Party has no jurisdiction.


For the Primary issue of citizenship, obtaining a citizenship of another Country does not invalidate your Citizenship by Birth in Nigeria. The only problem will be if Hamzat did not tick the box!

senatordave1:
MBA can delegate someone from his office or a close friend just like buhari and inec chair did...

It will deal with his credibility if he delegates someone.

What do you think of hamzat's double citizenship.

A key case by the Appeal Court in Labour Party & Ors v Ishola & Ors in 2014 is similar.

Mudashiru Oniyangi JCA (now retired) put it succinctly:

However, a Nigerian by birth who thereafter acquires citizenship of another Country i.e. America in the instant case, does not lose his right to vie for any elective office in Nigeria been a citizen by birth and not by naturalisation or registration. cc Penguin2

helinues:
It would be hypocrital of you to keep on mentioning rigging as if there have ever been any free and credible election in Nigeria before. Rigging in Nigeria is being done by all the political parties, only that the highest rigger always win.

Wike has been in Pdp for decades, rigging for Pdp broad day light, you people saw nothing wrong about it cos it was favouring you, now that the table has been turned around, you want to be forming holy of something you have been beneficiary of. Hahaha things no dey work like that.

Kyrgyzstan, if I am not mistaken is one of the most matured democracy in the world but their last election was flopped due to rigging which was unprecedented, that's one of the most rated country oo not to talk about Nigeria

Were you Obidients expecting 100% free, fair and credible election in the last general election? Where were you and other opposition when the new electoral law was being debated at both houses?

You ate your cake already, so stop asking us about it's whereabout

It's because of a day like this, the below thread was created should Incase of had I known

https://www.nairaland.com/7230596/important-things-should-discussing-during

Yes, we were expecting a 100% free and fair election in 2023.

The highest margin of error we expected was about 2% as opposed to the almost 50% that was eventually recorded.

And hey, because election riggers have gone away with their rigging in the past doesn’t mean every election rigger will go away with his or that we should now institutionalize rigging as an expected normalcy in our elections.

And why would you use a country that failed to organize a proper election as the yardstick for Nigeria?

If our aim as a country is to be emulating evil from failed countries then state it in our constitution so that we can start adopting whatever is going on in Libya, Syria, Yemen, and legalize homosexuality and transgender, and allow public sex and other vices; since such is the model you want for Nigeria.

seunmsg:
Funny enough, LP was the petitioner in the case. If the party had checked the decision of the court in previous cases it was involved in, they won’t even bother going to court over the matter. Anyway, I won’t get tired of schooling you in this forum till you stop posting nonsense.

Was Ishola a governor or deputy governor?

Penguin2:
Yes, we were expecting a 100% free and fair election in 2023.

The highest margin of error we expected was about 2% as opposed to the almost 50% that was eventually recorded.

And hey, because election riggers have gone away with their rigging in the past doesn’t mean every election rigger will go away with his or that we should now institutionalize rigging as an expected normalcy in our elections.

And why would you use a country that failed to organize a proper election as the yardstick for Nigeria?

If our aim as a country is to be emulating evil from failed countries then state it in our constitution so that we can start adopting whatever is going on in Libya, Syria, Yemen, and legalize homosexuality and transgender, and allow public sex and other vices; since such is the model you want for Nigeria.

@ emboldened, again, I would refer this old thread below.

Did you people actually believed 93% of registered voters collected their PVC?

https://www.nairaland.com/7215330/2023-election-conducted-early