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Wilgrea7:
To clear up several misconceptions here.

1. Atheism is the lack of belief in a god/gods, and that's about it. Claims that everything is just "coincidence" is not the default position of atheism.

2. The question of why nature is the way it is, is something we don't yet have the answer to. If you want to claim something called a god is responsible for it, then you have to be able to prove it.

Also, i feel like it's important to point out that adding a god to the equation won't solve the problem. Because we'll still be left asking why this god is the way it is, and not literally any other way else.



I often try to avoid jumping in to try to disprove stories like this, mainly because the stories themselves, assuming they're true, don't prove any god in particular, or in general. If anything, they only open a new box of "things we don't understand yet". And also because the stories themselves are just that. Until substantiated, they can not be taken as serious proof of anything.

I'm not trying to dismiss these stories as necessarily false. But I'm also not too eager to accept any wild claim that's been reported without evidence.

Wilgrea7:
Lack of evidence in favor of one specific god, or notion of god above the others

preciousee17:
Wow! Indeed the eyes of Children see many things, though they may not understand.
This is lovely to hear, but sad that those people actually had the authority to take the younger brother's life...

FxMasterz:
Please try and research. Get informed about those things you do not understand. Do not draw hasty conclusions. It would be costly.

Templee333:
Since the christian bible makes it clear that a good tree cannot produce rotten fruits, what should i do when all i see in christianity is rotten fruits? Wolves in sheep's clothing are the ones in churches. I can't believe in a god who tells you to read a bible but doesn't expect you to practice what is written in that same bible, and yet that bible is said to be the unchanging word of the one true god. What i hate most in my life is falsehood,yet, christians are liars and realy realy realy bloody hypocrites! I better stay away from them just for the sake of peace.

HellVictorinho6:
Because my brain is not accomodating it. I inevitably see my environment as an unplanned burden,not as a proof of god. sadly ,death cant change that. go ahead and call me names, am used to it

preciousee17:
I'll start by reaching out to Atheists, because you guys are missing out the most. How can you say there is no God/Spiritual Entity at all? But you have seen how nature is orchestrated to fall in line with itself, the endless cycles and behavioral patterns... That alone should tell you that Someone instituted these behaviors and protocols, but you all say it is just a COINCIDENCE

Let me make an example from young people (because young people speak plain truth more than us, the older ones). I'll make an example from myself, my immediate community and a young child many miles away from Nigeria

1. When we were younger, my family usually visited our paternal grandfather once in a while (as usual), but we weren't in constant connection with him and didn't know much about how he was faring.
One day my elder sister had a dream, in the dream my grandfather looked so lean and skeleton-like, and was sitting on the biggest sofa in his house. People wearing red outfits were calling on him to come join them
She told my mom and very quickly, we arranged an impromptu visit to my grandpa
Lo and behold when we arrived, he was sitting on the exact same sofa, looking like a skeleton exactly as my sister described. Very quickly also the man died.
Later we grew up to realize that the man was a member of an occult group (which explains the people in red outfits in that dream)
Dear atheists, are you saying this was a COINCIDENCE?
Let's move on

2. [I've decided to wait till I find a more publicized case]

3. This one is short. In the recent earthquake that happened in Turkey
A little child was found in the rubble 3 days after a building collapsed. When he was rescued, he was still strong and lively, moving around and not showing any signs of hunger.
He was asked if he had eaten and he replied 'yes', that a man in white cloth had been coming to give him food at regular intervals.
Okay atheists, the boy was definitely *hallucinating*, it's a COINCIDENCE

FxMasterz:
Yeah, they see a lot but they don't understand.

There was an incident that happened in Warri in 2011. A man went on a visit to his boss's house. When he was about to leave, the boss's twins who were about 3yrs old at the time started crying and holding him that he should not go, he should stay with them for the night. The guy visits often but It was unusual of the twins to do that. Nobody actually made anything of it. They thought they were just being fond of him.

The guy went home promising the twins he'll visit again the following day. They were still crying as he left.

That midnight, the guy was visited by dare devil armed robbers. One thing led to another, and they hacked the guy to death. Clubbing him on his head. His wife had just put to bed. The baby was just a few weeks old. The robbers left him in a pool of his blood and dissapeared.

It was after the incident that the drama played by the twins in his boss's house now started making sense. If only they could talk, the guyis life would have been spared.

Who says the spirit realm is not real?

FxMasterz:
Yeah, they see a lot but they don't understand.

There was an incident that happened in Warri in 2011. A man went on a visit to his boss's house. When he was about to leave, the boss's twins who were about 3yrs old at the time started crying and holding him that he should not go, he should stay with them for the night. The guy visits often but It was unusual of the twins to do that. Nobody actually made anything of it. They thought they were just being fond of him.

The guy went home promising the twins he'll visit again the following day. They were still crying as he left.

That midnight, the guy was visited by dare devil armed robbers. One thing led to another, and they hacked the guy to death. Clubbing him on his head. His wife had just put to bed. The baby was just a few weeks old. The robbers left him in a pool of his blood and dissapeared.

It was after the incident that the drama played by the twins in his boss's house now started making sense. If only they could talk, the guyis life would have been spared.

Who says the spirit realm is not real?

preciousee17:
I'll start by reaching out to Atheists, because you guys are missing out the most. How can you say there is no God/Spiritual Entity at all? But you have seen how nature is orchestrated to fall in line with itself, the endless cycles and behavioral patterns... That alone should tell you that Someone instituted these behaviors and protocols, but you all say it is just a COINCIDENCE

Let me make an example from young people (because young people speak plain truth more than us, the older ones). I'll make an example from myself, my immediate community and a young child many miles away from Nigeria

1. When we were younger, my family usually visited our paternal grandfather once in a while (as usual), but we weren't in constant connection with him and didn't know much about how he was faring.
One day my elder sister had a dream, in the dream my grandfather looked so lean and skeleton-like, and was sitting on the biggest sofa in his house. People wearing red outfits were calling on him to come join them
She told my mom and very quickly, we arranged an impromptu visit to my grandpa
Lo and behold when we arrived, he was sitting on the exact same sofa, looking like a skeleton exactly as my sister described. Very quickly also the man died.
Later we grew up to realize that the man was a member of an occult group (which explains the people in red outfits in that dream)
Dear atheists, are you saying this was a COINCIDENCE?
Let's move on

2. [I've decided to wait till I find a more publicized case]

3. This one is short. In the recent earthquake that happened in Turkey
A little child was found in the rubble 3 days after a building collapsed. When he was rescued, he was still strong and lively, moving around and not showing any signs of hunger.
He was asked if he had eaten and he replied 'yes', that a man in white cloth had been coming to give him food at regular intervals.
Okay atheists, the boy was definitely *hallucinating*, it's a COINCIDENCE

LikeAking:
Even if their is God, he can't solve real life problems..

Lots of evils, sickness and suffering is going on in the world, yet know solution...

Even if God dey, he/she is ineffective in a mordern reality..

HellVictorinho6:
the patterns just exist, did any occultist tell u there is a reason 4 it? Let me invite budatuum . budatuum, are u not aware that u are not aware of being aware as they stay in their meetings? u arent and u wont until we are . 4 the words of the day are different 4rm those of the night. if there is a call,then there will also be a path. if i saw today yesterday,i can also see yesterday today.
the red is part of performance. there is a time to stand. there is also a time to sit,even a time to lie down. u ma speak whatever spoken, whoever hears. the recitations are 4 affirmation,the truth is 4 drama. to see is not amazing,to be blind is not an evidence of nothing.

HellVictorinho6:
there are things i dont know or that i am yet understand,however those things arent of god. Just anoda thing,they are not worthy of worship.

preciousee17:
Sorry I don't have any name to call you... 😂
Unless you call yourself an Atheist, then I can also call you the name and mind you, it isn't a hate name or something...

Unplanned burden? Sounds very specific.
We don't preach that death will change anything
It's just that after death comes judgement, there's no more room for correction.

Let me paraphrase what you said and try to make it sound a bit different.

Do you mean we were all created by nothing, out of nothing and we all spawned into this earth to do nothing, die and go back to nothing? But then the arrangements of everything (our body structures, plants too, our ecosystem) and all that is soo complex that even we (the most intelligent species) have not yet fully understood the most unintelligent species...

Did you do any science course in school?
Just asking...

preciousee17:
It's healthy to not know some things
It's healthy to not understand some things
It's healthy to refuse to believe some things

Here I'm not saying you MUST believe in God (although at the end of life here we'll all believe in Him)
I'm actually saying you MUST believe in something, you MUST search for Truth until you find it. It makes no sense to just assume that everything here is purely natural.

talented321:
With my years of observation as a christian. Christians are very jelous, they hate other religion but ready to call you devil if you don't like theirs. They are quick in condemning something or somebody.
They call all coicidence miracle.
They blame the devil when it don't favour them, but praise the the lord when it's favour them.
My question is why must you call people name for not believing in your religion and what make you think you religion is the highest among others.
If you talk about miracle, it is traditional worshipers and juju priest that perform miracle most.
Imagind pentecoastal condemning white garment church, winners chapel condemning jehovah withness and many other battle inside christianity.

HellVictorinho6:
i meant calling me an idiot 4 not believing in god anymore. well, existence itself is not meant 4 understanding ,it is not of a specific purpose since it has no creator(whether a person or not) .it just continues in infinite ways. that never means u have no creator. u are the product of movements. ur death only means more movements. go into the shrine at osun river and drop a note at 9.30am. say 4rm hell , hell says hi to the unpopular entities overthere,write such on a white paper,put in a black nylon ,back the shrine and walk unto the river and drop that nylon on the river.it is madness to the viewers but just another way to perform in the truth. the entities are not gods to me at least. they will not be described using adjectives meant 4 u. the government affirms that . i'm as being. owing to difficulty in survival ,i havent been able to afford more than o level. i doubt if i will be able to. i was in science whatever 4rm ss1 to 3. anyways, i have mosquitoes and other things to deal with here.

LikeAking:
This is not the kind of work God Shud be doing..

God suppose stop the robbers..


The real God's are our African God's.

preciousee17:
I'll start by reaching out to Atheists , because you guys are missing out the most. How can you say there is no God/Spiritual Entity at all? But you have seen how nature is orchestrated to fall in line with itself, the endless cycles and behavioral patterns... That alone should tell you that Someone instituted these behaviors and protocols, but you all say it is just a COINCIDENCE

preciousee17:
Let me make an example from young people (because young people speak plain truth more than us, the older ones). I'll make an example from myself, my immediate community and a young child many miles away from Nigeria

1. When we were younger, my family usually visited our paternal grandfather once in a while (as usual), but we weren't in constant connection with him and didn't know much about how he was faring.
One day my elder sister had a dream, in the dream my grandfather looked so lean and skeleton-like, and was sitting on the biggest sofa in his house. People wearing red outfits were calling on him to come join them
She told my mom and very quickly, we arranged an impromptu visit to my grandpa
Lo and behold when we arrived, he was sitting on the exact same sofa, looking like a skeleton exactly as my sister described. Very quickly also the man died.
Later we grew up to realize that the man was a member of an occult group (which explains the people in red outfits in that dream)
Dear atheists, are you saying this was a COINCIDENCE?
Let's move on

preciousee17:
2. [I've decided to wait till I find a more publicized case]

3. This one is short. In the recent earthquake that happened in Turkey
A little child was found in the rubble 3 days after a building collapsed. When he was rescued, he was still strong and lively, moving around and not showing any signs of hunger.
He was asked if he had eaten and he replied 'yes', that a man in white cloth had been coming to give him food at regular intervals.
Okay atheists, the boy was definitely *hallucinating*, it's a COINCIDENCE

vdestro:
Devils aka atheists can not repent because God permanently rejects and casts them out, which is why they become atheists, so leave them alone.

vdestro:
But every atheists has expressed their full hatred for God.

preciousee17:
Ha! I've seen your point and the little joke there
Mind you, you may not be an idiot (I don't even have the strength to call you those names)
But if you've truly agreed in your heart that there's no God, then the God describes you as (ignorant). Meaning you just don't know and I agree
Thanks for contributing tho

FRANCISTOWN:
Mind, atheists do not only say there is no God. Atheists also say that we do not believe in the existence of any God.
The reason we can say boldly that there is no God is because there has not been any proof of any God's existence.


Dreams have never been a prove of the existence of God. Nostradamus was a man who made several predictions that came to pass without the help of any spirits or so.
I'd like you to understand that "Time is not linear" and again.

The dream, prophecy, clairvoyance and telepathy mysteries have long been demystified by Dr. Wess of Duke University in the 19s. So it has nothing to do with spirits.

Also, I'd like you to understand that. Whatever story or testimony you shared does not count for proof because, you would be considered to be lying until you can present irrefutable proofs that your sister really had that dream prior to your grand dad's unfortunate incident.

Plus, can your sister dream again about that will happen in the future? Let her make it go public and when it comes to pass, we'll then know that the current one is real, yet, it still doesn't count for an existence of a supernatural being.



Now get the point! The child could be hallucinating or not. I don't care, but where is that man? Why didn't that man prevent the earthquake?
Was the life of a single boy more important than the rest? Okay!

That man appears to me like a chef rather than a god.

preciousee17:
A very false mindset...
I am hoping he has taken correction.

FxMasterz:
This reminds me of an incident.

In 2017, we were praying for a family of 3. The wife had a little mental challenge though she was normal to a high degree. The husband was a Muslim. Their only son was just 6 yrs old.

We never knew they had a younger boy who died as a baby.

We prayed for them, laying hands on them one by one. The boy was the last to be prayed for. After we were done, the boy started narrating the visions he saw as the prayers were going on. His vision was a narration of how his younger brother died. He was actually about 2yrs old when the incident happened. Yet, he began to tell how his mother was sitting down on a bench in their veranda in the village, holding the baby on her laps. He narrated how some people appeared from nowhere and were flogging the baby seriously with cane. How the mother became really confused and dejected seeing her healthy baby crying intermittently for no reason (the people flogging the baby were invisible). He narrated how the flogging continued until the baby died. Up till this time, his parents have never told him that he had a younger brother who died as a baby. The mother corroborated his words by saying truly, that the events that led to the death of the baby started from the time the baby began crying aloud while she was sitting with the baby on her laps at the veranda, one evening in the village. The boy went further to describe events happening within his immediate and extended family. He described people he had never heard of or met before. The father was stunned. He even understood the people the boy was describing within the family.

If you're an atheist, believe me sincerely you're gone. There are overwhelming evidences and experiences around the world contrary to your views. The spirit realm is real.

preciousee17:
Tomorrow is Sunday!

Tell us a reason you don't/no longer believe in Jehovah God, and we'll try to debunk your reason (if need be)

This thread is for:
• Christians who Just want to ask any
questions (those passing through hard
times)
• Christians who are planning to give up
• Christians who no longer believe in God
• Muslims who think their Allah and our
Jehovah are the same God
• Atheists who want to voice their thoughts on
Christianity

This thread is not for:
• Immature minds who just want to make
jokes and insults
• People who cannot make a valid argument
• People who will not follow the rules of
argument

How our argument works:
• When you are asked a question, you must
answer in a normal statement, not with
insults, not answering questions with a
question
• When talking about a religion, don't assume
facts based on what you see their religious
leaders do or said. Only say what is
contained in their [Official] religious book(s).
• [Suggestions Accepted Here]

preciousee17:
I'm really thrilled seeing your observations.
I was waiting for someone to rebuke us Christians for arguing amongst ourselves.
Seriously you are on point when you say 'lol'.
Actually, these are a few things that make us unique (in both good and bad ways)
And in our Bible, the Christians back then also argued among themselves in a bid to confirm the truth.
And these are the little things that make me confirm that there is truth in this Christianity. Why do we get so much counterfeiting of our beliefs if there is no 'Original'.
Again I may not want to say much on this... Now is time to look at your questions

Before then, something I'd like to point out, I'm not the average Christian you know, and I may say many things that will make even my fellow Christians to hate me (not necessarily tho)
So first of all, who said that Thor, Krishna and Zeus and all those stuff are not true? Me? Not at all...
The sooner we come to realize that there's fire behind every smoke, the better for us.
The Bible does not expressly talk about Zeus and the rest but the Bible surely talks of the Nephilims (people that were born out of sex between Angels and humans) and they had the weirdest descriptions: insane heights/statue, six fingers and so on... That should show you that I already believe there's a component of truth in part of those 'Myths and Legends'. I also acknowledge that the devil has tried to orchestrate major lies that change the narrative of the whole story but in the end, we'll all know the truth.

Your answers (I'm calling on corrections please my fellow Christians):

1. When you talk of interpretation, do you mean by language or by understanding?
The Bible was written in foreign languages, I have come to choose certain English versions based on the model that has 66 books and stems from the King James Version (that is King James Version, Revised Standard Version, New King James Version), Berian Study Bible and New International Version. Not that these are the *approved* version or this is what God said I must read but because I haven't even finished understanding the ones I'm reading (new understanding comes when you re-read the same part of the Bible) I don't want most of the complications of adding more knowledge (especially when you haven't mastered the basics).
Then again, my understanding can never be the only true understanding. Two people can explain the same scripture of the Bible in totally different ways and the two versions will make perfect sense (oh, that's one of the uniqueness of God in the writing of the Bible especially when you come to realize that the Bible is just a collection of letters, biographies, documented history and laws, etc. that were written by several different people over the span of hundreds of years who didn't know that their work will be combined in this big Book. Of course they were influenced by the Spirit of God).
What validates my/any understanding/interpretation of the Bible is the other Books of the Bible, simple. If I say John 1:1 means this and that... I should be able to also say, "Look at the evidence here again in Genesis...". Once anyone can do that (without forcing words to flow with his/her point), voila! That interpretation has been validated.
God validates His Words through His Words
And understandings come only through God. (Ask more if you wish, I may have typed too much)

2. Okay if you check up you'll see something I said about Christians being hypocrites, a person can bribe his/her way into an office and say, "God gave me a job"
That's a problem with the Church and I don't dwell much on those type of testimonies.
However if it's just a straightforward appointment, there are many things to use and determine if God gave you the job.
One thing you'll look at is the voice of God. Did God tell you He will give you this job before you got it?
Then test the fruit, will this job help me lead more people to Christ? Will this job make me commit sin very constantly? (For instance, working in a movie company where you'll act sex scenes)... Many things add up
Or the benefit of hindsight at times will finally confirm if God actually gave you the job... When you look back and see that through that job, your spiritual life got better, you didn't need to do fraud anymore
In my case, I left a teaching job after disagreeing with the headteacher, I never reapplied there, never called any staff there or anything... But one day I prayed that God should give me money, and the next day I was called back by the school... Someone will say it was just a COINCIDENCE...
But the kind of miracles that we really love to use as example are practical things
Like healing of a serious physical illness without visiting the doctor or carrying out prescribed surgery etc... Or victory over spiritual warfare, like an age old tradition of firstborn dying in every generation, and your own firstborn developed symptoms of dying (especially at early age) but later recovers after prayers. (Again you can still ask here)

3. You believe in a place called heaven/hell?
Yes. Both. Infact I believe that there are 3heavens and that hell has sections... (Crazy right?)
Is hell fire a torture place?
Yes I believe so, I wouldn't want to find out the hard way. Infact, I believe hell is just a place to receive punishment according to the sins that you didn't repent of
Why and who go to hell?
I believe hell was created for the devil and his angels, the people who will eventually end up in hell are those that followed the devil and did the things of the devil, generally people that commit sin.
What is free will?
I don't know what I'm expected to say here. But free will is just the knowledge of good and evil, the fact that you now know what is right and what is wrong, and you can choose to do right or to do wrong.
Do humans have free will?
Yes. Obviously.
Is Yahweh omniscient?
Yes. (I'm delighted you used the name Yahweh)


I don't really think I mock Atheists in the way you are imagining, the same way you laugh at your friend before correcting Him is the same way we may laugh at you before correcting you, we 'mock' our fellow Christians too
There is teaching from God, and there is teaching of men. When we see our brother exhibiting signs of false teaching of men, we rush to correct him first, then we come out stronger to spread the Word better than ever.
Infact, I created this thread to see the specific reason why our fellow Christians brothers stopped believing in God so it's not much about the atheists, it's more about those who already had a foundation.

I've typed too much, please alert me on any grammatical mistake

preciousee17:
Okay okay, noted all your points.

So let me ask then, have you heard of the egg and hen theory...?
Have you ever reasoned that everything that was created, has an origin. A creator...

preciousee17:
When you keep saying we don't have evidence, we cannot prove...
But on the contrary we have shown you what our evidence is, that it is:
1. The Word of God (the words in our Bible)

2. The proof of the Word of God that we can see with our eyes (For instance, our so-called miracles)

3. God Himself inside of us (something I may never use in an open argument but now you know that many of us actively feel, hear the Spirit of God in us.

When you refuse to accept our proof, what other proof do we have to offer?

The opposite of the whole matter is that certain Atheists that talk about Big Bang and Evolution are the ones that don't have concrete proof, only theories and hypothesis...

And sorry but you'll either believe that that healing was God answering your prayers or it was a coincidence that at the moment you prayed, certain natural factors brought about the healing

FRANCISTOWN:
Mind, atheists do not only say there is no God. Atheists also say that we do not believe in the existence of any God.
The reason we can say boldly that there is no God is because there has not been any proof of any God's existence.


Dreams have never been a prove of the existence of God. Nostradamus was a man who made several predictions that came to pass without the help of any spirits or so.
I'd like you to understand that "Time is not linear" and again.

The dream, prophecy, clairvoyance and telepathy mysteries have long been demystified by Dr. Wess of Duke University in the 19s. So it has nothing to do with spirits.

Also, I'd like you to understand that. Whatever story or testimony you shared does not count for proof because, you would be considered to be lying until you can present irrefutable proofs that your sister really had that dream prior to your grand dad's unfortunate incident.

Plus, can your sister dream again about that will happen in the future? Let her make it go public and when it comes to pass, we'll then know that the current one is real, yet, it still doesn't count for an existence of a supernatural being.



Now get the point! The child could be hallucinating or not. I don't care, but where is that man? Why didn't that man prevent the earthquake?
Was the life of a single boy more important than the rest? Okay!

That man appears to me like a chef rather than a god.

HellVictorinho6:
please,i beg u in the name of ur parents,can u help me with any amount of money,please?