Mynd44, Seun, this opinion piece is frontpage-worthy

mr lawani ..i like you .. because you are good at making an argument interesting even if you know the truth

lawani:


Yes many back in Lebanon hear of how Nigeria is filled with Lebanese and the streets flowing with milk and honey. With only a diploma, they head to Nigeria, get a job with a Lebanese business or with Nigerians employing Lebanese, save, invest, make contacts and continue to grow and they become multi millionaires. Many of them in Nigeria are first generation though there are many whose family have settled for long. Many billionaire Lebanese are Nigerians and if Nigeria bans dual citizenship, they will opt for Nigerian citizenship over that of Lebanon. Some of them are fluent in Nigerian languages too though not as much as the earlier generations who were more integrated into the local culture. Then nobody gets contracts without being in the industry and having substantial investments

lawani:


Yes many back in Lebanon hear of how Nigeria is filled with Lebanese and the streets flowing with milk and honey. With only a diploma, they head to Nigeria, get a job with a Lebanese business or with Nigerians employing Lebanese, save, invest, make contacts and continue to grow and they become multi millionaires. Many of them in Nigeria are first generation though there are many whose family have settled for long. Many billionaire Lebanese are Nigerians and if Nigeria bans dual citizenship, they will opt for Nigerian citizenship over that of Lebanon. Some of them are fluent in Nigerian languages too though not as much as the earlier generations who were more integrated into the local culture. Then nobody gets contracts without being in the industry and having substantial investments

Lebanese, Asians and Caucasians succeed in Nigeria because Nigerians worship light skinned people. That's why SKIN BLEACHING is so popular in Nigeria.

Good Luck

lawani:


I believe everybody should be serious and build their nations. The Earth should be evenly developed. I don't believe in polygamy. They don't believe in it in India too. Once an Indian takes a new passport, he or she will need a visa to visit India

Well, people pursue second passport not necessarily because their country isn't developed. China is among the most developed countries, yet its many citizens line up are after US citizenship. People from the UK, US, EU are still obtaining other countries passports for different reasons. You see, that you don't believe in something doesn't make it useless. Even polygamy is some people's way of life and that some people may vilify the practice doesn't make it useless, at least to them. 2nd passport has opened doors of opportunities to several people and can never be useless to those who know how to leverage it.

LionInZion:


Well, people pursue second passport not necessarily because their country isn't developed. China is among the most developed countries, yet its many citizens line up are after US citizenship. People from the UK, US, EU are still obtaining other countries passports for different reasons. You see, that you don't believe in something doesn't make it useless. Even polygamy is some people's way of life and that some people may vilify the practice doesn't make it useless, at least to them. 2nd passport has opened doors of opportunities to several people and can never be useless to those who know how to leverage it.

Yes I agree with you that others don't have to toe that line but if citizenship were really what it should be, I don't think you would need two, you won't need more than one and that would be the case if the globe were evenly developed but everybody can not have the same opinion. India shares my opinion. I believe there might be people who have more than two.

lawani:


Yes I agree with you that others don't have to toe that line but if citizenship were really what it should be, I don't think you would need two, you won't need more than one and that would be the case if the globe were evenly developed.

There will NEVER be a time when all countries, races, tribes or whatever grouping are evenly developed, neither will all humans EVER be equal. It's IMPOSSIBLE, there's no time in history when equality existed. That being the case, the premise is flawed.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

IbeOkehie:


There will NEVER be a time when all countries, races, tribes or whatever grouping are evenly developed, neither will all humans EVER be equal. It's IMPOSSIBLE, there's no time in history when equality existed. That being the case, the premise is flawed.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

Well you are wrong because there was a time when everywhere was stable and the only wars were over ownership of land. During the middle ages, Europe was stable even if poor and if they had to be driving off Vikings but they had nowhere to run to and in their space they were stable, 500 years ago, West Africa was stable and the only issue was states trying to suppress each other, otherwise they were all prosperous producing things in West Africa that was consumed in Europe and vice versa. China was stable, India was stable, Aztec, Maya all were stable even if at different levels of material prosperity and economic development. They all had ranking men, merchants, craftsmen, farmers, musicians, artists and etc. The only issue was security and sovereignty over your land. Now that the issue of sovereignty is solved, explain to me why there can not be even development?.

OP, Nigerians have what is called a 'crabs in a bucket' syndrome. They don't want their fellow countrymen to succeed. They want to be the gate keepers to success. As Gerrard rightly said, majority of the Nigerian elite either have second passports or properties abroad. Most of their children don't go to school in Nigeria. The ones abroad who are discouraging Nigerians from coming over there are noise makers. They want to be seen as the only Nigerians abroad. 95% of them already have already acquired the citizenship of their host countries. Ask them to renounce their foreign citizenship and return home, they can't do it. A lot of them have nothing to show for all the years they were living abroad so their best bet is to de-market the country they are based in.

Staying in Nigeria is not an issue. The real problem is staying in the country without a plan B which is why it is imperative that Nigerians try to secure dual nationality by any means necessary. I lived in Europe for many years before relocating to Nigeria in 2014 with a second passport to boot butI would never discourage anyone from JAPAIing in order to create the same opportunities for themselves. Most of the elites don't believe in Nigeria and only see it as a cash out venture. It's the masses who are the most patriotic.

gforce5:
OP, Nigerians have what is called a 'crabs in a bucket' syndrome. They don't want their fellow countrymen to succeed. They want to be the gate keepers to success. As Gerrard rightly said, majority of the Nigerian elite either have second passports or properties abroad. Most of their children don't go to school in Nigeria. The ones abroad who are discouraging Nigerians from coming over there are noise makers. They want to be seen as the only Nigerians abroad. 95% of them already have already acquired the citizenship of their host countries. Ask them to renounce their foreign citizenship and return home, they can't do it. A lot of them have nothing to show for all the years they were living abroad so their best bet is to de-market the country they are based in.

Staying in Nigeria is not an issue. The real problem is staying in the country without a plan B which is why it is imperative that Nigerians try to secure dual nationality by any means necessary. I lived in Europe for many years before relocating to Nigeria in 2014 with a second passport to boot butI would never discourage anyone from JAPAIing in order to create the same opportunities for themselves. Most of the elites don't believe in Nigeria and only see it as a cash out venture. It's the masses who are the most patriotic.

Your last sentence is wrong in my opinion. There is no genuinely patriotic Nigerian. If there are, they aren't more than 1%.
The masses appear patriotic because they have no option not because they are genuinely patriotic. Once they have they same opportunity they elites have, their behavior will change instantly.
As a people, our mentality and character is fatally flawed. I have studied a lot of other countries to arrive at this conclusion. That is why it will be almost impossible to get a better country than we already have, unfortunately. I wish I could be wrong on this.

gforce5:
OP, Nigerians have what is called a 'crabs in a bucket' syndrome. They don't want their fellow countrymen to succeed. They want to be the gate keepers to success. As Gerrard rightly said, majority of the Nigerian elite either have second passports or properties abroad. Most of their children don't go to school in Nigeria. The ones abroad who are discouraging Nigerians from coming over there are noise makers. They want to be seen as the only Nigerians abroad. 95% of them already have already acquired the citizenship of their host countries. Ask them to renounce their foreign citizenship and return home, they can't do it. A lot of them have nothing to show for all the years they were living abroad so their best bet is to de-market the country they are based in.

Staying in Nigeria is not an issue. The real problem is staying in the country without a plan B which is why it is imperative that Nigerians try to secure dual nationality by any means necessary. I lived in Europe for many years before relocating to Nigeria in 2014 with a second passport to boot butI would never discourage anyone from JAPAIing in order to create the same opportunities for themselves. Most of the elites don't believe in Nigeria and only see it as a cash out venture. It's the masses who are the most patriotic.

100% agree

Kenn55:


Your last sentence is wrong in my opinion. There is no genuinely patriotic Nigerian. If there are, they aren't more than 1%.
The masses appear patriotic because they have no option not because they are genuinely patriotic. Once they have they same opportunity they elites have, their behavior will change instantly.
As a people, our mentality and character is fatally flawed. I have studied a lot of other countries to arrive at this conclusion. That is why it will be almost impossible to get a better country than we already have, unfortunately. I wish I could be wrong on this.

Only one patriot can be enough and that is what is meant when they say leadership is crucial.

You are actually right. That was an error on my part. Majority of Nigerians are unpatriotic, selfish and tribalistic. We put tribal and religious interest first before national interest. We only care about our individual progress even if it comes at the expense of national progress. If most Nigerians had the same opportunities as the elite, we would all do the same thing. Even abroad, we display the same self-centered characteristics hence why the Nigerian community overseas is not united compared to the Chinese, Indian, Lebanese or Jewish communities.

Kenn55:


Your last sentence is wrong in my opinion. There is no genuinely patriotic Nigerian. If there are, they aren't more than 1%.
The masses appear patriotic because they have no option not because they are genuinely patriotic. Once they have they same opportunity they elites have, their behavior will change instantly.
As a people, our mentality and character is fatally flawed. I have studied a lot of other countries to arrive at this conclusion. That is why it will be almost impossible to get a better country than we already have, unfortunately. I wish I could be wrong on this.

lawani:


Well you are wrong because there was a time when everywhere was stable and the only wars were over ownership of land. During the middle ages, Europe was stable even if poor and if they had to be driving off Vikings but they had nowhere to run to and in their space they were stable, 500 years ago, West Africa was stable and the only issue was states trying to suppress each other, otherwise they were all prosperous producing things in West Africa that was consumed in Europe and vice versa. China was stable, India was stable, Aztec, Maya all were stable even if at different levels of material prosperity and economic development.

The bolded is EXACTLY the point, you've completely rubbished your own thesis with the truth. These places were at DIFFERENT levels of development, as in they were UNEQUAL.

And within each country or tribe or village, the individuals therein were also UNEQUAL, even if only physically as in different height and weight and intelligence.

There's NEVER been a time where any two individuals or nations or races or tribes were equal....and it will NEVER happen. Inequality is arguably the basis of human progress.

Have a good day.

IbeOkehie:


The bolded is EXACTLY the point, you've completely rubbished your own thesis with the truth. These places were at DIFFERENT levels of development, as in they were UNEQUAL.

And within each country or tribe or village, the individuals therein were also UNEQUAL, even if only physically as in different height and weight and intelligence.

There's NEVER been a time where any two individuals or nations or races or tribes were equal....and it will NEVER happen. Inequality is the basis for progress.

Have a good day.

Pre industrial Yoruba land or Hausa land was not behind anywhere in level of economic development. Igbo land would be a bit behind. Shortly after Rome declined, Britain and most of Europe relapsed into feudalism and they also had to be fighting off Viking raids but when they settled within a few centuries, they had upper classes that were knowledgeable in different fields. At that point, the globe was even, nations were equal and there was nobody buying second passports of another nation but nations were still fighting over land. Economic prosperity was even and only exotic things were traded. In Yoruba land, we made all our clothes, metals, potteries, beads, jeweleries, shoes, weapons, staple food and etc and that was true for all parts of the world. You only buy the very few things you can't produce and the disparity in standard of living within a nation was negligible, everybody had jobs and income but of course everybody can not be high net worth individuals. Societies that did not have much material prosperity relative to the rest of the world were those closed to the rest of the world like maybe the Nri Igbo but were they poor people?. Definitely not!. They were content with what they had and were not bothered about what other people think about them. They produced more or less everything they consumed and their society was more socially equal. Isolated tribes today are not poor even if they don't have much material prosperity but they are happy and their society is more socially equal and whatever they have is more evenly shared. Development is not more than good infrastructure, industrialization, good organisation with government depending on taxes and if you have no technology, you can still have all that, foreign companies with tech know how will invest in your country and your people will contribute. Many countries without any technology are more developed than those with know how. They just join hands together and capitalize on whatever they have while seeking help from others in the sectors in which they are lacking and any country can do that. Once you do that, then you are equal with other nations. You don't need to be technologically advanced to drive out poverty from your country, you don't even need that to be an immigrant worker destination. Take Ghana for example, how is any country better than Ghana apart from the fact that there is a high dependency ratio in the country due to a ballooning population from births?.

Kenn55:


Your last sentence is wrong in my opinion. There is no genuinely patriotic Nigerian. If there are, they aren't more than 1%.
The masses appear patriotic because they have no option not because they are genuinely patriotic. Once they have they same opportunity they elites have, their behavior will change instantly.
As a people, our mentality and character is fatally flawed. I have studied a lot of other countries to arrive at this conclusion. That is why it will be almost impossible to get a better country than we already have, unfortunately. I wish I could be wrong on this.

You know Nigerians well, they will be criticizing a person in a leadership position for situation but ones you give them an opportunity to right things they will do exactly the same tying they were criticizing the previous leader for!