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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Finestgurlie(f): 2:23pm On Jul 05, 2023
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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by lanocfoods: 3:09pm On Jul 05, 2023
My own is how safe is it?
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Zxcvbnmghtr: 3:16pm On Jul 05, 2023
Workch:
LPG is has very low density, hence the calculation we have is 1kg of LPG contains 20.7megajoules of energy.
PMS is denser hence produced more energy per KG than LPG.

1 litre of PMS produces 31.5 megajoules of energy.

1 litre of fuel is 500
1kg of LPG is 550.
Fuel is still cheaper unless you have an explanation for energy efficiency with LPG cuberator.

The advantages of LPG is that it's neater and does form carbon deposit on carburetor and for those who want to be storing it for a long time, it doesn't degrade and evaporate from carburetor.
Most of us dont leave fuel in our generator for long hence petrol is still cheaper than LPG.



This gas revolution is already favouring me and my family. I run a business which requires that i power my gen from 8a.m to 6.30pm, with only 30 to 45 mins rest. I spend #5,000 on petrol daily which translates to #150,000 at the end of the month. Since i converted to gas, i spend #1,750 daily. Multiple that by 30 days and see the difference.

#150,000 on Petrol per month minus - #52,500 on gas per month = #97,500

It will not only favour me and my family but Nigeria at large. Even those who e dey pain as e dey sweet us too will benefit from this gas revolution.

LPG/CNG/ Carburator for cars is also starting to make waves. It's only a matter of a short time from now.

Tinubu's target has been an efficient beneficial use of our gas that has been wasting away for ages. His target is revolutionary, making gas even becoming a major source of foreign exchange through export. Recently there has been an agreement with the Government of Morocco to allow Nigeria to
pass our gas pipe through their country to head to Europe.

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by bdon12: 3:40pm On Jul 05, 2023
Faber:
Oga na lie. You lie pass lie Mohammed. I did the experiment myself. I used 12kg for 5 days from 8:00 am to 7:00pm @700, per KG, total is 8400.

Then I use 10litres on the same Generator for the same time, 8:00 am to 7:00pm @500 per liter at 5000 naira daily. 5 days is 25,000

LPG on Gen for 5days is 8400
PMS on Gen for 5days is 25,000


GAZZUZZ no need to stress himself, I did the experiment myself before GAZZUZZ even created his thread.
Bt someone already did d experiment n documented it for u...why u still dey form scientist when several guys hav done live experiments on this
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Faber(m): 3:42pm On Jul 05, 2023
bdon12:

Bt someone already did d experiment n documented it for u...why u still dey form scientist when several guys hav done live experiments on this
Na you dey form busy body on top my comment. Why mention me when you have nothing to say

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by justified007: 4:04pm On Jul 05, 2023
Workch:
How did you use 12kg of fuel for 5 days when 1kg only produces 20.7megajoules of energy. You people think we are fools?

Convert LPG MJoules to kWh: 1 MJ = 0.278 kWh of power from LPG.

It mean that 20.7 megajoules contained in 1kg of LP= 5.7546kWH.

12kg will give 69.0552kWh of power

The EIA aggregates data for the entire U.S. In 2021, the average annual electricity consumption for a U.S. home was 10,632 kilowatt-hours (kWh).

That's 29kWh per day. Your 12kg of LPG will only last for about 2days+ some hours in an average home in United States. (I'm. Using united states because they usually have 24hours electricity).

Most generators have energy efficiency of average 50%, it means that the amount of energy that is usable is 50% (the remaining is lost to running the generator itself and entropy) , so your 12kg of LPG will probably last for less than. 1day+.


I can challenge you to an experiment on two new generator sets tuning of petrol and LPG, LPG will be more expensive. Or maybe you were only running bulbs in your generator




All these turenchi you're speaking is unnecessary bro . I power my generator with LPG gas and I use 12.5kg @7000 for at least 40 hours . You are free to use your bodmas or almighty formula calculate how many litres of petrol will be enough for that 40 hours.


Below is one of my 3 generators using gas in peace

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by tsdarkside(m): 4:13pm On Jul 05, 2023
good argument....
nawa....
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by IamAtikulate: 5:13pm On Jul 05, 2023
Zxcvbnmghtr:




This gas revolution is already favouring me and my family. I run a business which requires that i power my gen from 8a.m to 6.30pm, with only 30 to 45 mins rest. I spend #5,000 on petrol daily which translates to #150,000 at the end of the month. Since i converted to gas, i spend #1,750 daily. Multiple that by 30 days and see the difference.

#150,000 on Petrol per month minus - #52,500 on gas per month = #97,500

It will not only favour me and my family but Nigeria at large. Even those who e dey pain as e dey sweet us too will benefit from this gas revolution.

LPG/CNG/ Carburator for cars is also starting to make waves. It's only a matter of a short time from now.

Tinubu's target has been an efficient beneficial use of our gas that has been wasting away for ages. His target is revolutionary, making gas even becoming a major source of foreign exchange through export. Recently there has been an agreement with the Government of Morocco to allow Nigeria to
pass our gas pipe through their country to head to Europe.
Tinubu's subsidy policies has nothing to do with the increased demand for gas. Rather, a product of Nigerians resilience.

Also, agreement to pipe gas through Morocco has been on the table since GEJ period. Don't attribute it to Tinubu

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by brendan007: 5:24pm On Jul 05, 2023
What I see here is an erroneous assumption by the OP that 1 liter of PMS equals 1kg of LPG. 1kg of LPG is almost 2 liters in volume.
So 1kg of LPG will last almost twice as much as PMS.
So OP, the experiences people have with respect to the use of LNG is actually valid.
We can research more on this matter.

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by iLoveYouToo(m): 5:48pm On Jul 05, 2023
Workch:
LPG is has very low density, hence the calculation we have is 1kg of LPG contains 20.7megajoules of energy.
PMS is denser hence produced more energy per KG than LPG.

1 litre of PMS produces 31.5 megajoules of energy.

1 litre of fuel is 500
1kg of LPG is 550.
Fuel is still cheaper unless you have an explanation for energy efficiency with LPG cuberator.

The advantages of LPG is that it's neater and does form carbon deposit on carburetor and for those who want to be storing it for a long time, it doesn't degrade and evaporate from carburetor.
Most of us dont leave fuel in our generator for long hence petrol is still cheaper than LPG.


Your last statement doesn’t correlate with your conclusion. So more to prove your point or delete this entire post.

It’s utterly shameful of you. Research more please
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by FuckkMOD: 5:53pm On Jul 05, 2023
I think its about the time. According to GAzzuz, 1kg of LPG will take 8 hours and 1 liter only 2 hours. I stand to be corrected

Workch:
LPG is has very low density, hence the calculation we have is 1kg of LPG contains 20.7megajoules of energy.
PMS is denser hence produced more energy per KG than LPG.

1 litre of PMS produces 31.5 megajoules of energy.

1 litre of fuel is 500
1kg of LPG is 550.
Fuel is still cheaper unless you have an explanation for energy efficiency with LPG cuberator.

The advantages of LPG is that it's neater and does form carbon deposit on carburetor and for those who want to be storing it for a long time, it doesn't degrade and evaporate from carburetor.
Most of us dont leave fuel in our generator for long hence petrol is still cheaper than LPG.
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by iLoveYouToo(m): 5:54pm On Jul 05, 2023
justified007:




All these turenchi you're speaking is unnecessary bro . I power my generator with LPG gas and I use 12.5kg @7000 for at least 40 hours . You are free to use your bodams or almighty formula calculate how many litres of petrol will be enough for that 40 hours.


Below is one of my 3 generators using gas in peace

Clearly this is a cheaper option but safety is a major concern

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by FuckkMOD: 5:54pm On Jul 05, 2023
Really

Mynd44:
CNG is 110 naira per KG sha

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Pythagoras001: 6:19pm On Jul 05, 2023
I remember making a similar comment on the earlier page where I asked the guy running the experiment to compare cost/kg to cost/kg. I made some conclusion based on rough calculation (estimate) using the heating value of both fuel and assuming equal efficiency the lpg would do a little better and that it could do worse (if the efficiency drops) since the generator wasn't originally designed to use lpg (so the efficiency maybe lower) and safety concerns. Moreover once the law of demand and supply kicks in, the price of lpg would go up because of the increased demand.
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by chinex11(m): 7:40pm On Jul 05, 2023
Faber:
Oga na lie. You lie pass lie Mohammed. I did the experiment myself. I used 12kg for 5 days from 8:00 am to 7:00pm @700, per KG, total is 8400.

Then I use 10litres on the same Generator for the same time, 8:00 am to 7:00pm @500 per liter at 5000 naira daily. 5 days is 25,000

LPG on Gen for 5days is 8400
PMS on Gen for 5days is 25,000


GAZZUZZ no need to stress himself, I did the experiment myself before GAZZUZZ even created his thread.
Please any help on how i can convert my gen to lpg?
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Sapiosexuality(m): 7:41pm On Jul 05, 2023
Workch:
What does this have to do with using LPG and petrol to run generator at home? Are you an illiterate?

You lack ability to comprehend?
I blame Seun for people like this here.
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Zxcvbnmghtr: 7:46pm On Jul 05, 2023
IamAtikulate:

Tinubu's subsidy policies has nothing to do with the increased demand for gas. Rather, a product of Nigerians resilience.

Also, agreement to pipe gas through Morocco has been on the table since GEJ period. Don't attribute it to Tinubu

I didn't know that GEJ was still the President when the Nigeria Morocco gas pipe line was proposed in December 2016. undecided

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/business-news/604982-nigeria-morocco-others-sign-agreements-on-gas-pipeline-project.html

The agreement was signed just last year.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/554319-nnpc-signs-gas-pipeline-agreement-with-morocco.html

Tinubu's political will to making it a reality, a continuation of Buhari's legacies is the Morocco Nigeria pipe line project.

The demand for gas must have been so high before Tinubu's subsidy policies so high that today's demand has nothing to do with the Subsidy policies because it's all about resilience and not a result of exploring an alternative because of the Subsidy policies on petrol. grin
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Semental1: 8:41pm On Jul 05, 2023
Workch:
LPG is has very low density, hence the calculation we have is 1kg of LPG contains 20.7megajoules of energy.
PMS is denser hence produced more energy per KG than LPG.

1 litre of PMS produces 31.5 megajoules of energy.

1 litre of fuel is 500
Have
1kg of LPG is 550.
Fuel is still cheaper unless you have an explanation for energy efficiency with LPG cuberator.

The advantages of LPG is that it's neater and does form carbon deposit on carburetor and for those who want to be storing it for a long time, it doesn't degrade and evaporate from carburetor.
Most of us dont leave fuel in our generator for long hence petrol is still cheaper than LPG.

Have you done live comparison of the two or are you just saying from chemistry class experience?

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by IamAtikulate: 8:41am On Jul 06, 2023
Zxcvbnmghtr:


I didn't know that GEJ was still the President when the Nigeria Morocco gas pipe line was proposed in December 2016. undecided

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/business/business-news/604982-nigeria-morocco-others-sign-agreements-on-gas-pipeline-project.html

The agreement was signed just last year.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/554319-nnpc-signs-gas-pipeline-agreement-with-morocco.html

Tinubu's political will to making it a reality, a continuation of Buhari's legacies is the Morocco Nigeria pipe line project.

The demand for gas must have been so high before Tinubu's subsidy policies so high that today's demand has nothing to do with the Subsidy policies because it's all about resilience and not a result of exploring an alternative because of the Subsidy policies on petrol. grin
What they fvck are you even saying?

Edit this so that I understand what you are trying to say. It's incoherent.
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Zxcvbnmghtr: 8:45am On Jul 06, 2023
IamAtikulate:

What they fvck are you even saying?

Edit this so that I understand what you are trying to say. It's incoherent.

Lol as expected. You are an empty vessel that makes noise. grin
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by system21: 9:00am On Jul 06, 2023
derekdelta:
LpG is the best of it,I normally buy fuel for
my betting shop generator@6500k per day but with LPG I only spend less 5kg of LPG @3000k from 8am till9.30pm everyday
This is the type of experiment I will go with not those doing their calculations on page of paper and keyboard
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by GerogeI(m): 9:21am On Jul 06, 2023
Hello peeps.
Obviously i did the energy calculations too. The OP is wrong in that average relative density of LPG is 0.57 while that of pms or gasoline is 0.743. So 1 kg of Gasoline is not N500 but around N740 based on N550 per liter. While 1kg of LPG is about N550 depending on location.

Secondly, LPG burns way more efficient than gasoline, especially because it is metering into the engine as gas. So less wastage in wetting surfaces and forming carbon deposit.

But there are problems I observed in LPG that I am really surprised no one has mentioned here.

In running my recent setup, i noticed major carbon buildup on the plugs when i run on LPG from libricating oil combustion. This does not happen with gasoline. Am just wondering if is a fault from my engine rings or mybe i should reduce the level if lubrication oil in the engine.

Second problem is vaporisation. LPG in Nigeria consists of propane and butane. So when it forms vapour that is fed to the engine, while in the cylinder, the propane C3 evaporates first, leave butanes C4 and heavier hydrocarbons C5+ behind as residue in the cylinder. The engine can't burn them as gas cause they are similar to gasoline components. Temperate regions of the would using only propane LPG do not have this problem. And the solution is to incorporate a vaporiser into the system and feed liquid LPG from the cylinder to the vaporizer before it goes to the engine. I have not seen any vaporiser for generators so far. Of course you can always take the residue to your kitchen and use it for cooking at a slower rate than normal or just buy propane LPG abinitio, the one they call fake or inferior cooking gas that burns very fast.

Addendum.
My engine is bad , noticed it has been burning oil so thats the reason for carbon build up. Am replacing the piston and rings.

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by bdon12: 10:16am On Jul 06, 2023
Faber:

Na you dey form busy body on top my comment. Why mention me when you have nothing to say
Bros no vex,ano talk again
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Mamaafrik1(m): 10:56pm On Jul 14, 2023
Workch:
How did you use 12kg of fuel for 5 days when 1kg only produces 20.7megajoules of energy. You people think we are fools?

Convert LPG MJoules to kWh: 1 MJ = 0.278 kWh of power from LPG.

It mean that 20.7 megajoules contained in 1kg of LP= 5.7546kWH.

12kg will give 69.0552kWh of power

The EIA aggregates data for the entire U.S. In 2021, the average annual electricity consumption for a U.S. home was 10,632 kilowatt-hours (kWh).

That's 29kWh per day. Your 12kg of LPG will only last for about 2days+ some hours in an average home in United States. (I'm. Using united states because they usually have 24hours electricity).

Most generators have energy efficiency of average 50%, it means that the amount of energy that is usable is 50% (the remaining is lost to running the generator itself and entropy) , so your 12kg of LPG will probably last for less than. 1day+.


I can challenge you to an experiment on two new generator sets tuning of petrol and LPG, LPG will be more expensive. Or maybe you were only running bulbs in your generator

but why are big organisations who are into manufacturing using lpg instead of diesel if is is not cost-effective?
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Mariomadiba(m): 7:49am On Jul 18, 2023
Guys I think OP might be right. I bought the carburetor from Gazzuz and have everything installed. Note, I have 1hp power AC, workstation and other home appliances apart from fridge.

13kg did not last for 18hrs when used with AC,
I had to fill the gas cylinder twice because I couldn’t believe 13kg did not last long enough of AC.

Well, I thought maybe the regulator is bad so I changed it to the one I use for cooking.

I filled 5kg just to see if the regulator was the fault. Well, 5kg did not last up to 4hrs on full load undecided

Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by brendan007: 5:37pm On Jul 18, 2023
Mariomadiba:
Guys I think OP might be right. I bought the carburetor from Gazzuz and have everything installed. Note, I have 1hp power AC, workstation and other home appliances apart from fridge.

13kg did not last for 18hrs when used with AC,
I had to fill the gas cylinder twice because I couldn’t believe 13kg did not last long enough of AC.

Well, I thought maybe the regulator is bad so I changed it to the one I use for cooking.

I filled 5kg just to see if the regulator was the fault. Well, 5kg did not last up to 4hrs on full load undecided

Since the OP equated 1 liter of petrol to 1kg of gas, tell us how long 13 liters of petrol would last under similar conditions(full load)?

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Gshems: 1:57pm On Jul 24, 2023
Does your gas cylinder sweats?? Mine sweats like 🤪
Mariomadiba:
Guys I think OP might be right. I bought the carburetor from Gazzuz and have everything installed. Note, I have 1hp power AC, workstation and other home appliances apart from fridge.

13kg did not last for 18hrs when used with AC,
I had to fill the gas cylinder twice because I couldn’t believe 13kg did not last long enough of AC.

Well, I thought maybe the regulator is bad so I changed it to the one I use for cooking.

I filled 5kg just to see if the regulator was the fault. Well, 5kg did not last up to 4hrs on full load undecided
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by jFrankNorfleet: 11:37pm On Jul 30, 2023
Workch. I've tested this personally. I bought the gas carburettor from Oyingbo, got the cylinder, regulator, hose and clip. Got it installed and filled the gas for 12Kg. Didn't last long and my installer said perhaps I was cheated by those that filled the gas cuz I filled it at roadside gas shop. I then went to Mobil Filling station to fill it to the brim and the dispenser read 16.19KG. this I thought would make me know if it truly saves money. Went to my business and told my worker there to take note of each time he switches on or off the generator. I discovered it finished after 11 hrs 30 minutes. I bought the gas for 10,400. If I buy petrol and fill my tank to the brim it'd be 9,700 and that lasts me up to 14-15 hours which means it's better to use fuel in my experience than gas although someone said it might be because I open the regulator fully that I should open it halfway or something but I doubt it'd make any difference

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Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by jFrankNorfleet: 11:38pm On Jul 30, 2023
Gshems:
Does your gas cylinder sweats?? Mine sweats like 🤪
yep sweats a lot. I was even scared during the first time thinking there's some leakage only to be assured by my installer that it's all normal
Re: Running Petrol Generator Is Still Cheaper Than LPG. by Workch: 6:07am On Jul 31, 2023
jFrankNorfleet:
Workch. I've tested this personally. I bought the gas carburettor from Oyingbo, got the cylinder, regulator, hose and clip. Got it installed and filled the gas for 12Kg. Didn't last long and my installer said perhaps I was cheated by those that filled the gas cuz I filled it at roadside gas shop. I then went to Mobil Filling station to fill it to the brim and the dispenser read 16.19KG. this I thought would make me know if it truly saves money. Went to my business and told my worker there to take note of each time he switches on or off the generator. I discovered it finished after 11 hrs 30 minutes. I bought the gas for 10,400. If I buy petrol and fill my tank to the brim it'd be 9,700 and that lasts me up to 14-15 hours which means it's better to use fuel in my experience than gas although someone said it might be because I open the regulator fully that I should open it halfway or something but I doubt it'd make any difference
whether or not you open regulator fully or halfway. Energy cannot be created not destroyed, it doesn't affect the thermodynamics

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