Kukutenla:
■ Oh I get you now. You think God only spoke to israelites.
■ Well, that won't explain how God spoke to Balaam through his donkey does it? Or how God sent Jonah to Nineveh? Or saved Rahab the harlot etc. But Jethro is the reason Israelites have what we call Elders till this day not so? Yet you say he was never sent by God.
■ God's exclusive Covenant to Israel ended with the Davidic Covenant. The Covenant of Jesus is to all men.
Luke 2:13_14:

1. What you said there makes absolutely no sense of any kind. God said He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel). He made a Covenant with only the People of Israel. He announced in Deuteronomy 32 that Israel is His only Inheritance in the land of men. So rightly the context of this discussion is God and His people of Israel whom He formed two Nations of --- the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 30 - and God's special Nation of Priests - Exodus 19 vs 6 - known as the Kingdom of God.

2. I see you are desperately trying to drag that which is outside of the context of this in by force.

▪︎ Balaam was not included in God's Law of Moses.
▪︎ Rahab was not a prophet
▪︎ Jonah was an Israelite prophet God sent to warn the land of Nineveh of destruction as a result of their wickedness, destruction of the kind that befell lands like Sodom and Gomorrah
▪︎ Jethro was never sent by God to the people of Israel. Your elder system which you attribute to Jethro has nothing to do what God's system of prophets

3. God's Eternal Covenent ended? Are you being serious now?

Kobojunkie:
Here's hoping we are finally towards the end of the era of the false teachers and the false prophets.

if you had opportunity of knowing that man, you wouldn't be typing this. I'm no longer a member of his church, but I can tell you that I trust him more than the G O of my present big and widely known church I'm attending now. Rest on Baba Olowere

impeccablephili:
■ if you had opportunity of knowing that man, you wouldn't be typing this. I'm no longer a member of his church, but I can tell you that I trust him more than the G O of my present big and widely known church I'm attending now. Rest on Baba Olowere

Here's the problem, God said cursed is any man who puts his trust in another man and makes flesh and blood his role model - Jeremiah 17 vs 5 - 11. You put your trust in men. You believe men more than you believe God. Jesus Christ said you cannot have two masters in the Kingdom of God. The one who you put your trust in becomes a master over you and you cannot trust man and trust God at the same time. God says it is impossible to do that.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ gave that privilege only to men who obey His teachings and commandments---- not to those who He called out as hypocrites aka antichrists.

2. But the modern day pharisees are the hypocrites aka antichrists..

3. Jesus Christ already proved them false teachers and false prophets from over 2000 years ago. This is what Jesus Christ said of all those who embrace the doctrines and traditions of men, all of whom He said are hypocrites.
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Why do you not believe Jesus Christ?

coming to your levels of thinking, if false prophets are manifesting in the last 2000 years and still counting, will God almighty abandon the world to the false prophets without taking corrective actions by sending his own good prophets to counter the teaching of the false prophets??

the good Lord will NOT abandon the world to mans imagination and machinations. the Lord knows that the heart of man is very wicked and desperate to do evils willingly so He too has decided to be smart to the needed follow ups.

have you ever wondered why evils has not triumph over the seemingly few good people around the world??

in the days of evil king Ahab in Israel and he was persecuting pastor Elijah and Elijah was traumatized wela to the point of thinking that he was the only one in Israel that was still serving God almighty. he therefore refused to go and deliver God's message to the evil king Ahab. it took God reminder to Elijah that if he refused to go there are more than 6000 people in Israel that has not bowed their heads to basal idol.

the good Lord God almighty is still sending his prophets to the Nigerian and he world at large. He often modified the prophets to suit the tribal locations and message to be delivered.

if you want to understand God's matters in your way, that person will miss out big time and big way. the ways of God is far far beyond man but with calmness and patience it is possible to capture something beneficial.

Kobojunkie:
He speaks the mind or God means God's own Son was a liar?

You're disgusting bcoz I struggle to understand what you're trying to prove. You obviously set out to deliberately disparage other people's beliefs or views and you show total disregard for their choice.

Ellasure:
■ coming to your levels of thinking, if false prophets are manifesting in the last 2000 years and still counting, will God almighty abandon the world to the false prophets without taking corrective actions by sending his own good prophets to counter the teaching of the false prophets??
■ the good Lord will NOT abandon the world to mans imagination and machinations. the Lord knows that the heart of man is very wicked and desperate to do evils willingly so He too has decided to be smart to the needed follow ups.
■ have you ever wondered why evils has not triumph over the seemingly few good people around the world??
■ in the days of evil king Ahab in Israel and he was persecuting pastor Elijah and Elijah was traumatized wela to the point of thinking that he was the only one in Israel that was still serving God almighty. he therefore refused to go and deliver God's message to the evil king Ahab. it took God reminder to Elijah that if he refused to go there are more than 6000 people in Israel that has not bowed their heads to basal idol.
■ the good Lord God almighty is still sending his prophets to the Nigerian and he world at large. He often modified the prophets to suit the tribal locations and message to be delivered.
■ if you want to understand God's matters in your way, that person will miss out big time and big way. the ways of God is far far beyond man but with calmness and patience it is possible to capture something beneficial.

1. Why would God need to do any such?

2. You don't seem to know your God at all. He already sent Jesus Christ. You choosing to ignore Jesus Christ all so you can follow after men in His stead is all you and has nothing to do with God.

3. What in the world are you talking about? We are talking here of Jesus Christ, not the world's idea of good and evil.

4. You seem to have missed the memo entirely there. The time of Ahab was when God's Nation of Israel was still in existence. God judged and destroyed the Nation of Israel over 1900 years ago putting a seal on the Old Law of Moses as well as prophets and visions at that time. Jesus Christ came to call His followers to a different Nation and a different Law, and that Law gives you nothing of the Old Law. So I suggest you brush up on God's New Law and Covenant in the Kingdom of God..

5. Now, you are just blatantly calling God a Liar and a deceiver.

6. I suggest you disconnect from the lies of your many pastors and mogs, so you can study scripture fore yourself to learn of God apart from all of the lies you have spewed so far.

Rest on general in the Bossom of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
If what you say is true then you pretty much confirmed Jesus Christ, who instead said that John the Baptist was the last of the Old Covenant Prophets, a liar.

2. According to God, you lay curses on your own self when you put your faith in men and make flesh and blood your role models - Jeremiah 17 vs 5 - 11. You just condemned Jesus Christ as a liar in order to raise ordinary men above God Himself. You should worry more about you than me.

John Was The Last Of The Prophets Of The Old Covenant, What About The New Covenant, Are Their No Prophets?

Stories why it that it’s only in Africa?

Crystallon:



You better be careful with your comments, we still have real prophets like Elisha and Elijah the Bible talked about here on earth. Don't lay curses on yourself cos of being woke or Nairaland likes


Rest in the blossom of the Lord papa

Shebbs:
■ John Was The Last Of The Prophets Of The Old Covenant, What About The New Covenant, Are Their No Prophets?

God told you in Exodus 19 vs 6 that the Kingdom of God is instead His special Nation of Priests; there are no prophets in the Kingdom of God. In the Kingdom of God, everybody is equal and all are called as Priests to serve God. Jesus Christ is the one and only Master, Teacher, Shepherd, Authority/Head over each and everyone in the Kingdom..

RIP baba

Kobojunkie:
Lol ...the reason Jesus Christ told you that John was the greatest, was in fact to let you know straight up that He was the last of the prophets born of woman , and sent by God. The confusion in this case rings Loud as yours and not mind.

You simply need to reason what you are told to gain understanding, that is what God said --- use the understanding you have in order to obtain more..

You are seriously empty.
As empty as a whistle!

Kobojunkie:
God told you in Exodus 19 vs 6 that the Kingdom of God is instead His special Nation of Priests; there are no prophets in the Kingdom of God. In the Kingdom of God, everybody is equal and all are called as Priests to serve God. Jesus Christ is the one and only Master, Teacher, Shepherd, Authority/Head over each and everyone in the Kingdom..

You’ve Not Even Answered My Question, I Can Handle Your Ignorance Without Quoting The Bible. Now For Referring To Exodus Let Me Ask You Another Question, Was Moses A Priest Or A Prophet?

Shebbs:
■ You’ve Not Even Answered My Question, I Can Handle Your Ignorance Without Quoting The Bible. Now For Referring To Exodus Let Me Ask You Another Question, Was Moses A Priest Or A Prophet?

Before you worry about my ignorance, I suggest you seriously consider yours there. Was Moses a part of God's Special Nation of Priests which God announced that He would also make of Israel, in Exodus 19 vs 6?

Ogunleti01:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2023/07/founder-of-cac-oke-agbara-prophet-olowere-is-dead/amp/

Prophet Michael Ojo Olowere was a deep preacher, teacher and gospel evangelist
who was anointed for signs and wonders. He was the founder of CAC Oke Agbara, Ashi, Ibadan.Popularly known as Baba Olowere, Baba Automatic, he was one of the few Christ Apostolic Church's (CAC) most respected ministers of the gospel. With his journey into the ministry, spanning six decades, he had spearheaded the planting of several churches within the CAC mission, beginning with the CAC Oke-Imole, Agbowo, in 1978.

WOW....Rest in perfect peace baba Olowore.
I met him in 1982 at Oke Imole. Agbowo. Ibadan.
He was a very prayerful man and dedicated to His calling.
Those were the day's of power prayers with no messing around.
May the Lord comfort and bless his family. Amen 🙏

Rip Baba Automatic prayer,Automatic answer Lesekese

May his soul rest in peace.

Include yourself among the false prophets.

Kobojunkie:
Here's hoping we are finally towards the end of the era of the false teachers and the false prophets.

IslamIsIdiotic:
Include yourself among the false prophets.

This is what Jesus Christ said of all those who embrace the doctrines and traditions of men, all of whom He said are hypocrites.

7 You are hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he spoke for God about you:
8 ‘These people honor me with their words, but I am not really important to them.
9 Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’” - Matthew 15 vs 7 - 9

...

6 Jesus answered, “You are all hypocrites. Isaiah was right when he wrote these words from God about you:‘These people honor me with their words, but I am not really important to them.
7 Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’
8 You have stopped following God’s commands, preferring instead the man-made rules you got from others.”
9 Then he said, “You show great skill in avoiding the commands of God so that you can follow your own teachings! - Mark 7 vs 6 - 9

From the above, you can see in clear detail that those who do what God decries in the passage are false prophets and false teachers .I.e. hypocrites aka antichrists.

Kobojunkie:
1. What you said there makes absolutely no sense of any kind. God said He is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob(Israel). He made a Covenant with only the People of Israel. He announced in Deuteronomy 32 that Israel is His only Inheritance in the land of men. So rightly the context of this discussion is God and His people of Israel whom He formed two Nations of --- the Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 30 - and God's special Nation of Priests - Exodus 19 vs 6 - known as the Kingdom of God.

2. I see you are desperately trying to drag that which is outside of the context of this in by force.

▪︎ Balaam was not included in God's Law of Moses.
▪︎ Rahab was not a prophet
▪︎ Jonah was an Israelite prophet God sent to warn the land of Nineveh of destruction as a result of their wickedness, destruction of the kind that befell lands like Sodom and Gomorra h
▪︎ Jethro was never sent by God to the people of Israel. Your elder system which you attribute to Jethro has nothing to do what God's system of prophets

3. God's Eternal Covenent ended? Are you being serious now?

Sir, apart from the fact that you've exhibited poor knowledge of the Bible and Biblical concepts, you are coming across as dishonest. First you claimed there are no prophets after John the Baptist because Jesus called him the greatest(which you interpreted to mean last). After that was debunked biblically, you claimed God only chose prophets from Israel which was also debunked, then you went to God only spoke to israelites through israelites which has been debunked. Now you have chosen to go another route by bringing in new things. Let me debunk them as usual.

1. You skilfully jumped Abraham and emphasized on Jacob which is wrong because the Covenant started with Abraham which I will like to quote for you: Gen 22

16saying, “By Myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, that because you have done this and have not withheld your only son, 17I will surely bless you, and I will multiply your descendantse like the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will possess the gates of their enemies.18And through your offspring all nations of the earth will be blessed because you have obeyed My voice.”

From the bolded you can see that God intended to ultimately bless the whole earth through Abraham. Note that even Mohammed whom we discussed earlier is an offspring of Abraham.
I don't know what you imply by the kingdom of God is the priesthood of Israel because throughout the OT, there is no mention of such. It's another of your baseless conjectures.

2. What is the significance of Balaam not included in God's Law? Another dishonest and disjointed rebuttal. God spoke with him. He spoke with God and relayed the message to Barak. It negates your claim that God only spoke to Israelites and through Israeli prophets.

No one said Rahab is a prophet. But she's a partaker of the Davidic Covenant which birthed Jesus Christ right or wrong? While she's not an Israelite.

You have now confirmed through Jonah that God can speak to non-Israelites. Does that not negate your claim ab initio?

Jethro was sent to Moses twice and he gave the israelites the system of elders. Meanwhile, what exactly do you mean by system of prophets? There's nothing like that. Only the priesthood had a system in place. God called whoever he willed at any time to be a prophet.
There are five Covenants God made with mortal men in the Bible starting with the Adamic Covenant. Only the last Covenant is still effectively running while all others before it have been collapsed into it. Are you aware of that or you're just ignorant in this wise again?

Kukutenla:
■ Sir, apart from the fact that you've exhibited poor knowledge of the Bible and Biblical concepts, you are coming across as dishonest. First you claimed there are no prophets after John the Baptist because Jesus called him the greatest(which you interpreted to mean last). After that was debunked biblically, you claimed God only chose prophets from Israel which was also debunked, then you went to God only spoke to israelites through israelites which has been debunked. Now you have chosen to go another route by bringing in new things. Let me debunk them as usual.

I see you are trying to argue meaninglessly. I am sorry...I am not for any of that.

What I said was that,
□ Jesus Christ said, John was the greatest(the last) of the prophets born of the woman sent by God. If you don't believe this, then that that means you don't believe it.
□ God promised to send to the people of Israel prophets from among their brethren. If you don't believe this, then that means you don't believe it.

I can only speak to you of what is plainly written right there in scripture--- as is. I can't shove it down your throat to cause you to believe it. And I am not going to go back and forth with you on it. So Goodluck..

Kukutenla:

Sir, apart from the fact that you've exhibited poor knowledge of the Bible and Biblical concepts, you are coming across as dishonest. First you claimed there are no prophets after John the Baptist because Jesus called him the greatest(which you interpreted to mean last). After that was debunked biblically, you claimed God only chose prophets from Israel which was also debunked, then you went to God only spoke to israelites through israelites which has been debunked. Now you have chosen to go another route by bringing in new things. Let me debunk them as usual.

1. You skilfully jumped Abraham and emphasized on Jacob which is wrong because the Covenant started with Abraham which I will like to quote for you: Gen 22 From the bolded you can see that God intended to ultimately bless the whole earth through Abraham. Note that even Mohammed whom we discussed earlier is an offspring of Abraham.
I don't know what you imply by the kingdom of God is the priesthood of Israel because throughout the OT, there is no mention of such. It's another of your baseless conjectures.

2. What is the significance of Balaam not included in God's Law? Another dishonest and disjointed rebuttal. God spoke with him. He spoke with God and relayed the message to Barak. It negates your claim that God only spoke to Israelites and through Israeli prophets.

No one said Rahab is a prophet. But she's a partaker of the Davidic Covenant which birthed Jesus Christ right or wrong? While she's not an Israelite.

You have now confirmed through Jonah that God can speak to non-Israelites. Does that not negate your claim ab initio?

Jethro was sent to Moses twice and he gave the israelites the system of elders. Meanwhile, what exactly do you mean by system of prophets? There's nothing like that. Only the priesthood had a system in place. God called whoever he willed at any time to be a prophet.
There are five Covenants God made with mortal men in the Bible starting with the Adamic Covenant. Only the last Covenant is still effectively running while all others before it have been collapsed into it. Are you aware of that or you're just ignorant in this wise again?

He’ll just repeat the same copy and paste. Wasting your time with a complete fool that thinks he is wise.

How did this man depart from the teachings of Jesus Christ, he has not being able to answer.

Copying and pasting exactly the same thing as if Paul and the disciples of Christ were not prophets and teachers. Like who wrote Revelation, was it not John?

So because he claimed Jesus said they were no other prophets after John the Baptist (Jesus said ‘GREATER’)

What was John the Elder who wrote the Relevation of Jesus Christ? He was not a prophet?


What a demented nitwit.

Kobojunkie:
Before you worry about my ignorance, I suggest you seriously consider yours there. Was Moses a part of God's Special Nation of Priests which God announced that He would also make of Israel, in Exodus 19 vs 6?

Exodus 19:6 “You’ll Be For Me A Kingdom Of Priest And A Holy Nation, These Are The Words You’re To Speak To The Children Of Israel.” Meaning That Out Of Israel Priest Will Spring Forth, However; This Does Not Literally Mean There’ll Be No Prophets. Prophets Continued After Moses And During Their Days There Were Still Priest. Elijah (John The Baptist) Was The Last Prophet Of The Old Covenant By Re-Incarnation. When Jesus Came There Was A New Covenant And A New Priesthood But Still Prophets Continued In His Time And After His Time. Eph 4:11 “And He Gave Some, Apostles, And Some, PROPHETS, And Some, Evangelist, And Some; Pastors And Teachers.” Eph 2:20 “ And Are Built Upon The Foundations Of The Apostles And PROPHETS, Jesus Christ Himself Being The Chief Cornerstone.

Kobojunkie:
I see you are trying to argue meaninglessly. I am sorry...I am not for any of that.

What I said was that,
□ Jesus Christ said, John was the greatest(the last) of the prophets born of the woman sent by God. If you don't believe this, then that that means you don't believe it.
□ God promised to send to the people of Israel prophets from among their brethren. If you don't believe this, then that means you don't believe it.

I can only speak to you of what is plainly written right there in scripture--- as is. I can't shove it down your throat to cause you to believe it. And I am not going to go back and forth with you on it. So Goodluck..

What was John the elder who wrote the Revelation of Christ?

Kobojunkie:
God told you in Exodus 19 vs 6 that the Kingdom of God is instead His special Nation of Priests; there are no prophets in the Kingdom of God. In the Kingdom of God, everybody is equal and all are called as Priests to serve God. Jesus Christ is the one and only Master, Teacher, Shepherd, Authority/Head over each and everyone in the Kingdom..

What do you mean by there are no prophets in the kingdom of God when Jesus himself is described as a prophet?
Priests are not equal. At least not as far as israelites priesthood is concerned. You're just too ignorant. Go and read Leviticus to know the order of priesthood. Here's the order of Zechariah, father of John the Baptist:
Luke 1:

5In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah. ......8One day while Zechariah’s division was on duty and he was serving as priest before God, 9he was chosen by lot, according to the custom of the priesthood, to enter the temple of the Lord and burn incense.

Kobojunkie:
1. So Jesus Christ did not lie abi.
This is what Jesus Christ said of all those who embrace the doctrines and traditions of men, all of whom He said are hypocrites -- false teacher and false prophets aka antichrists.
...
The dead man taught religion--- doctrines and traditions of men --- to the people so why then do you not agree with Jesus Christ who says all those who teach religion using His name are hypocrites?

Or were you simply saying "Jesus Christ didn't lie" for show?

You deserve brain resetting slaps to cure your head. I said none of the above. Your job is to twist.

Kobojunkie:
I see you are trying to argue meaninglessly. I am sorry...I am not for any of that.

What I said was that,
□ Jesus Christ said, John was the greatest(the last) of the prophets born of the woman sent by God. If you don't believe this, then that that means you don't believe it.
□ God promised to send to the people of Israel prophets from among their brethren. If you don't believe this, then that means you don't believe it.

I can only speak to you of what is plainly written right there in scripture--- as is. I can't shove it down your throat to cause you to believe it. And I am not going to go back and forth with you on it. So Goodluck..

Kindly quote the exact scripture as you have it in your Bible and highlight last as it's plainly written there.
Here's mine:

Luke 7: 28 For I say to you, among those born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than him

Crystallon:



You better be careful with your comments, we still have real prophets like Elisha and Elijah the Bible talked about here on earth. Don't lay curses on yourself cos of being woke or Nairaland likes


Rest in the blossom of the Lord papa

is the likes of who? Mention 5 you know

Shebbs:
■ Exodus 19:6 “You’ll Be For Me A Kingdom Of Priest And A Holy Nation, These Are The Words You’re To Speak To The Children Of Israel.” Meaning That Out Of Israel Priest Will Spring Forth, However; This Does Not Literally Mean There’ll Be No Prophets. Prophets Continued After Moses And During Their Days There Were Still Priest. Elijah (John The Baptist) Was The Last Prophet Of The Old Covenant By Re-Incarnation. When Jesus Came There Was A New Covenant And A New Priesthood But Still Prophets Continued In His Time And After His Time. Eph 4:11 “And He Gave Some, Apostles, And Some, PROPHETS, And Some, Evangelist, And Some; Pastors And Teachers.” Eph 2:20 “ And Are Built Upon The Foundations Of The Apostles And PROPHETS, Jesus Christ Himself Being The Chief Cornerstone.

How did Prophets gain access into God's Holy Nation which was meant to be a Nation of only Priests? Where in the New Covenant is this allowance made for Prophets much as it was made in the Old Covenant?,

Maysdevices:
■ What was John the elder who wrote the Revelation of Christ?

John the elder? John was an Apostle..

Kukutenla:
■ What do you mean by there are no prophets in the kingdom of God when Jesus himself is described as a prophet?
Priests are not equal. At least not as far as israelites priesthood is concerned. You're just too ignorant. Go and read Leviticus to know the order of priesthood. Here's the order of Zechariah, father of John the Baptist:
Luke 1:

Jesus Christ was definitely a Prophet like Moses since He is also the Law as well as the Lawgiver , but Jesus Christ lived not according to the Law of the Kingdom of God but rather the Old Covenant Law of Moses. But, rather than teach the Old Law of Moses like the prophets before Him did, Jesus Christ instead taught God's New Law -- He taught an entirely different Law from that taught by God's Old Prophets.

If you would stop focusing on finding my ignorance and worked instead on yours, you would have known this. The levitical order of priesthood has nothing to do with what Jesus Christ came to bring to His own.

Beuberry:
■ You deserve brain resetting slaps to cure your head. I said none of the above. Your job is to twist.

Again, This is what Jesus Christ said of all those who embrace the doctrines and traditions of men, all of whom He said are hypocrites.

7 You are hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he spoke for God about you:
8 ‘These people honor me with their words, but I am not really important to them.
9 Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’” - Matthew 15 vs 7 - 9

...

6 Jesus answered, “You are all hypocrites. Isaiah was right when he wrote these words from God about you:‘These people honor me with their words, but I am not really important to them.
7 Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’
8 You have stopped following God’s commands, preferring instead the man-made rules you got from others.”
9 Then he said, “You show great skill in avoiding the commands of God so that you can follow your own teachings! - Mark 7 vs 6 - 9

Did Jesus Christ lie or not? This is straight from scripture yet you accuse me of twisting what exactly?