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Obidients who mostly claimed that Wole Olanipekun like to win court cases with technicality and not substance are the ones trying to use every technicality to get Tinubu out of the way.

One thing is clear, Obidients hate Tinubu with passion. They just want him out of the way. I thought this was about proving that Obi won. If Obi actually won, I pray that he's declared as winner by the court. The way I am seeing things, Obidients just want Tinubu out for reasons best known to them. Most of them would prefer Atiku to be winner to Tinubu.

Wahala Wahala Wahala !



We told them " Tinubu Amina Ahmed Adekunle is going no where ".





Tinubu starts saying bye bye to Aso Rock.

Penguin2:
“In trying to run away from DOUBLE NOMINATION, the APC ran into INVALID NOMINATION.”

After the Supreme Court ruled on PDP’s case on Shettima’s Double Nomination suit, most Nigerians wrote off the APM Petition at the Presidential Election Petition Tribunal as being a waste of court’s time but emerging facts about the details of their petition has shown that their petition might be the dark horse that might bite Tinubu and the APC the deepest.

First, a combined reading of the Constitution and the Electoral Act shows that any party whose candidates resigns after the closure of nomination process has the total of 14 days to replace such candidate.

Now, both INEC and APC and Tinubu accepted in court that Ibrahim Masari who was APC Vice Presidential placeholder candidate tendered his resignation on 24th June, 2022.

Again, all parties agree that Kashim Shettima became the new Vice Presidential candidate on 14th July, 2022 (because they were running from double nomination so they denied it was on 6th July).

Now, between 24 June, 2022 - 14 July, 2022 is a total period of 21 days. That’s a whopping 7 days beyond the constitutionally provided window of 14 days.

Now, APM is arguing that as of the time that Kashim Shettima was nominated as Vice Presidential candidate of the APC, Bola Tinubu had ceased to be a valid presidential candidate having stayed 7 days without a Vice Presidential candidate which invalidated his candidacy.

https://twitter.com/frankekechukwu/status/1680719876044849152?s=46&t=2AB_wrBea-oBYJf5ZCFV-A

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Mynd44

You are the real desperado here and you are really losing it.



E go shock you soon.

Dey play !

garfield1:
You are becoming desperate and losing it son.nominstion is purely internal to a party

DoTheNeedful:
Obidients who mostly claimed that Wole Olanipekun like to win court cases with technicality and not substance are the ones trying to use every technicality to get Tinubu out of the way.

One thing is clear, Obidients hate Tinubu with passion. They just want him out of the way. I thought this was about proving that Obi won. If Obi actually, I pray that he's declared as winner by the court. The way I am seeing things, Obidients just want Tinubu out for reasons best known to them. Most of them would prefer Atiku to be winner than Tinubu.

I don't think it's about hate, I think it has to do with thugs beating people in Lagos unless you are a yoruba and rigging ...... go to court, it's a stupid statement. Politics in Lagos for the past 2 decades is a disgrace to democracy, who built it that way ... Tinubu.
Everything about that man smells thuggish. I am not a fan

Wahabfuture:
I don't think it's about hate, I think it has to do with thugs beating people in Lagos unless you are a yoruba and rigging ...... go to court, it's a stupid statement. Politics in Lagos for the past 2 decades is a disgrace to democracy, who built it that way ... Tinubu.
Everything about that man smells thuggish. I am not a fan

You are not honest with your response. We were all here before elections. This hatred did not start after Feb. 25. They wished APC gave the presidential ticket to Lawan sef instead of Tinubu. The hatred is real.

DoTheNeedful:
You are not honest with your response. We were all here before elections. This hatred did not start after Feb. 25. They wished APC gave the presidential ticket to Lawan sef instead of Tinubu. The hatred is real.

Tinubu won the election despite their hate. he will rule this country despite their hate.

helinues:
See blackmailing. They blackmailed the voters, blackmailed INEC, SC is the next

So if SC disqualified Tinubu, Nigeria justice system is in order.. No wonder INEC is also not in order as their decision did not favour una.

Election can only be credible if they won

It’s time you stop responding to this people. They invested too much energy and emotions into this election. The sorrows of defeat have nearly hospitalized some of them in mental institutions.
Some of them are recovering and accepting reality gradually.
Little by little, most of them will heal with time, accept reality and move on

helinues:
See blackmailing. They blackmailed the voters, blackmailed INEC, SC is the next

So if SC disqualified Tinubu, Nigeria justice system is in order.. No wonder INEC is also not in order as their decision did not favour una.

Election can only be credible if they won

Agbado, comment on the issue and stop straying off point. What say you about Thief Tinubu INVALID NOMINATION?

Penguin2 has lost it completely. Dude is now fully unhinged. We should all feel pity for him. Those around him should please check him into a rehab asap. He urgently needs help. The trauma of Peter Obi’s loss has really messed up whatever is left of his sanity.

seunmsg:
Penguin2 has lost it completely. Dude is now fully unhinged. We should all feel pity for him. Those around him should please check him into a rehab asap. He urgently needs help. The trauma of Peter Obi’s loss has really messed up whatever is left of his sanity.

fergie001:
garfield1 can help me here.

What I said was that some pre-election matters can crystallise to post-election only if it touches on the constitutional eligibility requirements of that Candidate. (I will add some screenshots if I can).
I also referenced forgery as one of those eligibility requirements!
It is not the case here.

They have not showed the injury they suffered, they do not even seek to benefit from the judgement.

Only for elective Candidate. That is why the issue of fresh primary election was mentioned. The EA is silent for non-elective Candidates.

Because it is for elective position.
That is Senatorial, Abia is for Governorship.

Tinubu's running mate who is the subject of this case is not contesting an elective position. He doesn't need a fresh primary to be so nominated. Again, even if there was no strict adherence only an aspirant in APC can sue and will do so in 14 days.

The lacuna in the EA wrt is why the Court will say nothing on it.
It is issues like this that will make the NA to amend that aspect of our laws.

Okay. Let’s await the judgment of the Tribunal on the matter.

But if we were to go with your lacuna argument, it means that Tinubu might as well get elected without a running mate since the provisions Electoral Act is not binding on non-elective candidate replacement.

Right?

seunmsg:
Penguin2 has lost it completely. Dude is now fully unhinged. We should all feel pity for him. Those around him should please check him into a rehab asap. He urgently needs help. The trauma of Peter Obi’s loss has really messed up whatever is left of his sanity.

😛😛😛 Kadoso Mutairu aka seunmsg!

Lovelive:
Wahala Wahala Wahala !



We told them " Tinubu Amina Ahmed Adekunle is going no where ".





Tinubu starts saying bye bye to Aso Rock.

You didn't add Abimbola, Bolanle, Bola
😁😁😁😁😁

Tinubu about to be served 😂

helinues:
See blackmailing. They blackmailed the voters, blackmailed INEC, SC is the next

So if SC disqualified Tinubu, Nigeria justice system is in order.. No wonder INEC is also not in order as their decision did not favour una.

Election can only be credible if they won

Your own is that you love lies and supports evil with passion. I could remember when you were busy on this forum, telling people that there was nothing like lekki toll gate massacre, that no one died. Oboy na that day I put your name for blacklist.

DoTheNeedful:
Obidients who mostly claimed that Wole Olanipekun like to win court cases with technicality and not substance are the ones trying to use every technicality to get Tinubu out of the way.

One thing is clear, Obidients hate Tinubu with passion. They just want him out of the way. I thought this was about proving that Obi won. If Obi actually won, I pray that he's declared as winner by the court. The way I am seeing things, Obidients just want Tinubu out for reasons best known to them. Most of them would prefer Atiku to be winner to Tinubu.

You nailed it correctly. As for me, I prefer atiku than tinubu that is if Obi fails.

Ihateheadslamer:
If Tinubu is not disqualified by the Court, forget about justice in Nigeria

Both atiku and obi closed their case without proving that Tinubu/INEC rigged the election,yet u believed that tinubu will be disqualified?

You can legalise a legality with an illegality. INEC and judiciary take note.

helinues:
Which body or bottom? Would it be different from all those ANAP poll analysis before the election?

Why is it that any politician you show support to, always turnout to be bad and evil? buhari is a typical example of what am saying. buhari left dollar to naira at 700 now, tinubu has made the rate to be above 1000 naira and still counting. Why are you like this helinues?

Penguin2:
The Supreme Court settled DOUBLE NOMINATION.

The Supreme Court did not adjudicate on INVALID NOMINATION.

The crux of the matter here is that the window allowed in law for substitution of a candidate who withdraws his candidacy is 14 days but Tinubu stayed 21 days.

APM’s argument is that for 7 days after the expiration of Constitutionally allowed 14 days, Tinubu was an invalid candidate which by implication invalidated his nomination entirely.

Was that what the Supreme Court adjudicated on?

Is this the part of the law you are talking about? Section 33 ba?

Unperturbedpota:
You are just naive. The ANAP polls were correct Tinubu rugged himself in so what nonsense example are you quoting.

Anyways Tinubu is now jittery and the world knows the truth now cry more 🤣

Graduate indeed

Tinubu rigged himself in yet obi and atiku did not include it in their case?

Why all this evil surrounding suspected president tinubu,

Penguin2:
Okay. Let’s await the judgment of the Tribunal on the matter.

But if we were to go with your lacuna argument, it means that Tinubu might as well get elected without a running mate since the provisions Electoral Act is not binding on non-elective candidate replacement.

Right?

The 1999 CFRN states you cannot be elected without a Vice President.

The time frames are a product of the EA which guides our elections. S31 made it clear that by 90 days to the election all names should be with INEC.

GeneralDae:
Is this the part of the law you are talking about? Section 33 ba?

Yea.

Thank you for producing the section.

Penguin2:
Yea.

Thank you for producing the section.

So that section speaks about conducting primary election within 14 days, are primary elections conducted for vice presidents?

fergie001:
The 1999 CFRN states you cannot be elected without a Vice President.

The time frames are a product of the EA which guides our elections. S31 made it clear that by 90 days to the election all names should be with INEC.

The same 1999 CFRN while talking about qualifying criteria for deputy governors and Vice Presidents, states that “references should be made as though it were for the governor/president” (paraphrased).

Again, the Supreme Court has ruled that the governor and his deputy, and by implication the president and his vice, are tied to the same umbilical chord; in that what affects one, affects the other.

With the above in mind, tell me why the replacement for a presidential or governorship candidate must happen within 14 days but that of the Vice President or deputy governor is not bound by that provision?

GeneralDae:
So that section speaks about conducting primary election within 14 days, are primary elections conducted for vice presidents?

That a primary election is not needed, isn’t that the reason it should be faster?

Or why would the law stipulate 14 days for a more cumbersome process that requires new primaries but allow an infinite amount of days for a process that just requires appointment?

Again, are you oblivious of the Supreme Court ruling that the governor and his deputy, and by implication, president and vice, that are tied to the same umbilical chord?

Even in the constitution the requirements for the office of the Vice President is the same as for the president.

Why then would it be the replacement of a Vice President who withdraws that would not conform with the timeline required of the president?

Penguin2:
That a primary election is not needed, isn’t that the reason it should be faster?

Or why would the law stipulate 14 days for a more cumbersome process that requires new primaries but allow an infinite amount of days for a process that just requires appointment?

Again, are you oblivious of the Supreme Court ruling that the governor and his deputy, and by implication, president and vice, that are tied to the same umbilical chord?

Even in the constitution the requirements for the office of the Vice President is the same as for the president.

Why then would it be the replacement of a Vice President who withdraws that would not conform with the timeline required of the president?

The law is speaking of candidates who emerge via elections in their party. A vice president is simply nominated not elected, so I don't see how those rules apply to a vice president. Same with this whole double nomination brouhaha. Where in the law does it indicate that candidates who are nominated are subject to double nomination scrutiny as long as they resign from the other position 90 days before the election? Atiku was to be Governor of Adamawa but then was nominated by Obasanjo.

Simply put, a vice president is totally at the discretion of the president and it's a nomination. Section 33 Law speaks only of candidates who undergo primary elections.

GeneralDae:
The law is speaking of candidates who emerge via elections in their party. A vice president is simply nominated not elected, so I don't see how those rules apply to a vice president. Same with this whole double nomination brouhaha. Where in the law does it indicate that candidates who are nominated are subject to double nomination scrutiny as long as they resign from the other position 90 days before the election? Atiku was to be Governor of Adamawa but then was nominated by Obasanjo.

Simply put, a vice president is totally at the discretion of the president and it's a nomination. Section 33 Law speaks only of candidates who undergo primary elections.

In essence you are saying therefore, that INEC has been breaking the law by giving a stipulated timeframe for which gubernatorial and presidential candidates must nominate running mates?

Penguin2:
In essence you are saying therefore, that INEC has been breaking the law by giving a stipulated timeframe for which gubernatorial and presidential candidates must nominate running mates?

INEC was just giving them deadlines for the sake of order. As long as every withdrawal is done 90 days before election, you are cool except those party candidates who do primary elections.

Read towards the end of this article in 2022.

"He said, “The political parties are just taking advantage of the provision of the Electoral Act: Section 33 permits the candidates to withdraw or an account of death, may be substituted. The political party will conduct another primary election. Or if he voluntarily withdraws, the political party that is affected must within 14 days conduct fresh primary elections to produce another candidate.

“However, in the case of vice-presidents and deputy governors, they don’t conduct primary for them, so the political parties see that as an opening that they can change the names anytime without conducting any primaries.

“That is what they are using but the Electoral Act itself is silent on it. I believe it is the primary that brings in the presidential and governorship candidate but when conducting that nobody talks about the vice-president or the deputy governorship elections".

https://punchng.com/presidential-poll-interim-running-mates-risky-ex-inec-chiefs-warn-apc-lp/?amp

Penguin2:
The same 1999 CFRN while talking about qualifying criteria for deputy governors and Vice Presidents, states that “references should be made as though it were for the governor/president” (paraphrased).

See, the Constitution is the Supreme document that guides our laws.

The paraphrased sentence is clearly as it regards to the qualifying and disqualifying factors of the Executive.

A very detailed reading of S187 is clear.....

(1) In any election to which the foregoing provisions of this part of this Chapter relate a candidate for the office of Governor of a State shall not be deemed to have been validly nominated for such office unless he nominates another candidate as his associate for his running for the office of Governor, who is to occupy the office of Deputy Governor; and that candidate shall be deemed to have been duly elected to the office of Deputy Governor if the candidate who nominated him is duly elected as Governor in accordance with the said provisions.

(2) The provisions of this Part of this Chapter relating to qualification for election, tenure of office, disqualifications, declaration of assets and liabilities and Oath of Governor shall apply in relation to the office of Deputy Governor as if references to Governor were references to Deputy Governor.

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The same for VP in Section 142 but what is the time-frame?

Again, the Supreme Court has ruled that the governor and his deputy, and by implication the president and his vice, are tied to the same umbilical chord; in that what affects one, affects the other.

Yes, they are tied for the purpose of election but was there a time-frame to make these appointments by the CFRN? No.

It is the EA that now buttresses the limitation factors of time. This same Act is silent on some of these things and only says that final list will be published 90 days to the election.

What this means is that, you can have 100 VPs withdraw and you replace them with the time-frame in mind.

IF the EA had said something like this:
...the political party to submit the name of a fresh candidate within 14 days of the withdrawal of the former candidate by conducting fresh primaries, or in the case of a vice presidential candidate or deputy governor, by selection.

It will have been a different matter.

With the above in mind, tell me why the replacement for a presidential or governorship candidate must happen within 14 days but that of the Vice President or deputy governor is not bound by that provision?

I have explained this....
Does the Vice President or Deputy-Gov go through a fresh Primary election?

These are non-elective positions and the EA does not cover the field.

90 days to the election (that is Nov 25, 2022) will have been the deadline.

^{Just as an addendum, if my memories don't fail me.}

On 17th June 2022, the LP Presidential Candidate, Peter Obi chose Doyin Okupe as place-holder Vice Presidential Candidate.

Okupe sent his withdrawal letter on 07th July 2022 and Datti was unveiled/announced on July 08. Following Silas Joseph Onu's narrative, is it safe to say that Obi had no Vice from 07th-08th hence that is also invalid nomination?

So you see, it is not in our place to insert into our laws what is not. Hence, the NA has to go back and plug that hole.