₦airaland Forum

lawani:
Tivs are plenty but they can not surpass Yoruba in Kwara, Kogi and Niger.They might be at par with Igala

Tivs are far more than Igala, they are up to two times or more the size of Igala. They have well over 5.5 million. They have eighty percent of the population of Benue state. And about 20 percent of the population of Nassarawa and they are also present in Taraba. Igala would be at most 2.5 million

Yorubas in Kwara are not more than 2.5 million. The ones In Kogi are about twenty percent of the state. That is at most 900,000 to one million. The Yorubas in Niger are super minute, do they enjoy indigenous status there?

Usenokpevbo:
Tivs are far more than Igala, they are up to two times or more the size of Igala. They have well over 5.5 million. They have eighty percent of the population of Benue state. And about 20 percent of the population of Nassarawa and they are also present in Taraba. Igala would be at most 2.5 million

It can be possible but which are their towns in those states?. Igala people are in Kogi, Delta, Anambra etc with towns. I served in Igala but have never been to Tiv land

If you list the important cities and towns of North central, then you will agree Yoruba are more than any other

lawani:
I mean Yoruba land not south west alone. It includes part of North central and south south. I think they should be up to that. Land on which Yoruba is spoken

outside Lagos? They will be at most 35 million. They don’t have any sizeable community in the south south, outside itsekiris, the ones in Edo State are not more than 100,000

Usenokpevbo:
outside Lagos? They will be at most 35 million. They don’t have any sizeable community in the south south, outside itsekiris, the ones in Edo State are not more than 100,000

If Lagos is 20 million, then the remaining SW will be 50 million. People on It sekiri land will be close to one million Urhobo will be more.

I made allowance for the possibility ofLagos being lower than twenty million

lawani:
It can be possible but which are their towns in those states?. Igala people are in Kogi, Delta, Anambra etc with towns. I served in Igala but have never been to Tiv land

my brother Tiv is a major minority group, Tiv is big o, in 1952 , Tiv was 765 thousand, that same year, Igala was 295,000 thousand. That is two times and half the population of Igala,

Tiv can single handedly win elections in Benue state. They are 80% of the population of Benue state. They control a senatorial district in Nassarawa state.

Igala cannot win elections on their own in Kogi state, they at most make up 45 percent of the state. Their town in delta state and Edo is just one one. Ilushi is not more than 20,000 and Ebu on the other hand will not be more than 30,000

lawani:
If Lagos is 20 million, then the remaining SW will be 50 million. People on It sekiri land will be close to one million Urhobo will be more.

I made allowance for the possibility ofLagos being lower than twenty million

Are you counting the entire Delta and Edo state as part of south west?

Usenokpevbo:
my brother Tiv is a major minority group, Tiv is big o, in 1952 , Tiv was 765 thousand, that same year, Igala was 295,000 thousand. That is two times and half the population of Igala,

Tiv can single handedly win elections in Benue state. They are 80% of the population of Benue state. They control a senatorial district in Nassarawa state.

Igala cannot win elections on their own in Kogi state, they at most make up 45 percent of the state. Their town in delta state and Edo is just one one. Ilushi is not more than 20,000 and Ebu on the other hand will not be more than 30,000

You are probably correct. My error is because I have never been there but I know they are much. It means they are close to Yoruba population in the North central but do you think they can be higher in number than the Yoruba in the zone?. Makurdi is their chief city while Ilorin is the biggest Yoruba city in the area

Usenokpevbo:
Are you counting the entire Delta and Edo state as part of south west?

No. Just the small towns that are Yoruba speaking. There are a number of them.

lawani:
You are probably correct. My error is because I have never been there but I know they are much. It means they are close to Yoruba population in the North central but do you think they can be higher in number than the Yoruba in the zone?. Makurdi is their chief city while Ilorin is the biggest Yoruba city in the area

they are more my brother, they also have Gboko and Several other settlements.
Besides Benue is far bigger than Kwara, Benue has almost 2.8 million voter’s registration while Kwara has just a little over one.five million

lawani:
No. Just the small towns that are Yoruba speaking. There are a number of them.

The only tribe that are Yoruboid speaking in delta state is itsekiris. And Ugbodu but they largely speak Igbo alongside their native tongue and identify as Anioma. In Edo, the Yorubas there are not more than 100k

Usenokpevbo:
they are more my brother, they also have Gboko and Several other settlements.
Besides Benue is far bigger than Kwara, Benue has almost 2.8 million voter’s registration while Kwara has just a little over one.five million

Benue is more than Kwara actually but they have Idoma, Igede and many others as well. Those people especially Igede are very plenty too. They will be over one million on their land. They are comparable to if not more than Urhobo.

Kwara too is big. It is as big as many states put together. I don't know which of Kwara and Benue is bigger but Benue is more populated

Usenokpevbo:
The only tribe that are Yoruboid speaking in delta state is itsekiris. And Ugbodu but they largely speak Igbo alongside their native tongue and identify as Anioma. In Edo, the Yorubas there are not more than 100k

Really the land is all that matters. With freedom, the people will return to build their land

lawani:
Benue is more than Kwara actually but they have Idoma, Igede and many others as well. Those people especially Igede are very plenty too. They will be over one million on their land. They are comparable to if not more than Urhobo

Igedes are not more than 500,000 bros , don’t let anyone deceive you, they have presence in just two local government, Oju and Obi, their population in 2006 census was about 300,000. Idoma cannot be more than 1.5 million and most of them do not reside in the state

lawani:
Benue is more than Kwara actually but they have Idoma, Igede and many others as well. Those people especially Igede are very plenty too. They will be over one million on their land. They are comparable to if not more than Urhobo.

Kwara too is big. It is as big as many states put together. I don't know which of Kwara and Benue is bigger but Benue is more populated

population is what is more relevant to our conversation here

lawani:
Really the land is all that matters. With freedom, the people will return to build their land

what do you mean?

Usenokpevbo:
Igedes are not more than 500,000 bros , don’t let anyone deceive you, they have presence in just two local government, Oju and Obi, their population in 2006 census was about 300,000. Idoma cannot be more than 1.5 million and most of them do not reside in the state

Igedes are plenty in Ijesa here is why I know them. Urhobo are also plenty. Igede is a nation from the way they are here. If 500k, they are still a nation and if Idoma is 1.5 million, it means the two are close to forty percent of Benue state. Both groups in a normal settings will have states and governors. They surpass many UN member nations

Usenokpevbo:
what do you mean?

Many of these towns you say are small can host even the Capital of Nigeria. In a normal country they will develop themselves if they have autonomy. Their people will return

lawani:
Igedes are plenty in Ijesa here is why I know them. Urhobo are also plenty. Igede is a nation from the way they are here. If 500k, they are still a nation and if Idoma is 1.5 million, it means the two are close to forty percent of Benue state. Both groups in a normal settings will have states and governors. They surpass many UN member nations

what i meant especially for the Idomas is that 70 percent of them do not stay in their state giving the tivs position of overwhelming majority in their state.

Igedes might be more than 500,000 . I meant they can’t have more than 500,000 in their land. Since you said they are many in your place, It would suggest they travel alot, and their population all over Nigeria might pit the combined population of Igedes to 800,000 or more

lawani:
Many of these towns you say are small can host even the Capital of Nigeria. In a normal country they will develop themselves if they have autonomy. Their people will return

who left that is returning?

Ttalk:
This is another lie. There are more Edo in Abuja than the Igbo population, you can continue to lie to yourself it is your right

This one probably haven't been to Abuja once in his life 🤣🤣🤣

Usenokpevbo:
what i meant especially for the Idomas is that 70 percent of them do not stay in their state giving the tivs position of overwhelming majority in their state.

Igedes might be more than 500,000 . I meant they can’t have more than 500,000 in their land. Since you said they are many in your place, It would suggest they travel alot, and their population all over Nigeria might pit the combined population of Igedes to 800,000 or more

That five hundred thousand is like the population of Barbados. The money exchanging hands per day is up to one billion naira. They can start from there easily.
Igedes are many here and many of them speak Yoruba well but they still go home to return later. It is the same with Ijesa too and all of humanity. Once in a while, new ones come that are fresh and speak no Yoruba. Even Tiv, Idoma must be like that too

Usenokpevbo:
who left that is returning?

There is no town without a diaspora population and one illustrious citizen with means can establish one industry in conjunction with others where up to one thousand people will directly work. Those people will need many services including food production, school for kids and many others and the population will keep growing. A population of 20k can become 200k in two decades or even one and the land owners will still remain in their position of privilege

lawani:
There is no town without a diaspora population and one illustrious citizen with means can establish one industry in conjunction with others where up to one thousand people will directly work. Those people will need many services including food production, school for kids and many others and the population will keep growing. A population of 20k can become 200k in two decades or even one and the land owners will still remain in their position of privilege

i thought you are talking about the present population of the Yoruba communities in the south south and not what they will be in future.

lawani:
That five hundred thousand is like the population of Barbados. The money exchanging hands per day is up to one billion naira. They can start from there easily.
Igedes are many here and many of them speak Yoruba well but they still go home to return later. It is the same with Ijesa too and all of humanity. Once in a while, new ones come that are fresh and speak no Yoruba. Even Tiv, Idoma must be like that too

tiv is among first six largest group in Nigeria,

The first five largest groups are Hausas, Igbos, Yorubas in no particular order . Then Fulani, kanuri, then Tiv before Ibibios, then Ijaws, nupes etc

Usenokpevbo:
tiv is among first six largest group in Nigeria,

The first five largest groups are Hausas, Igbos, Yorubas in no particular order . Then Fulani, kanuri, then Tiv before Ibibios, then Ijaws, nupes etc

Ijaws from a fair perspective are more than tivs

Usenokpevbo:
tiv is among first six largest group in Nigeria,

The first five largest groups are Hausas, Igbos, Yorubas in no particular order . Then Fulani, kanuri, then Tiv before Ibibios, then Ijaws, nupes etc

Fulani and Hausa are same or which city is under Fulani control?. Gwari people are also a lot but figures can only be reliable in a working country. If Yoruba is one country in west Africa, it will surpass even 120 million because Togo and Benin can join as they are and that is the way meaningful progress can be guaranteed. Most Beninoise and a large percentage of Togolese already speak Yoruba even up to over 50 communities in Eastern Ghana but breaking up Nigeria is the first step.

Usenokpevbo:
i thought you are talking about the present population of the Yoruba communities in the south south and not what they will be in future.

They have people is my point and everybody should look back home as much as possible

Af0NjaAreLiars:
Ijaws from a fair perspective are more than tivs

Ijaws from a fair perspective are not more than Tivs, Bayelsa is the least populated state in the country and would not pass for a senatorial district in some states.

Alongside with that, In delta state, where they are also present, the Urhobos are the largest controlling about 35 % of the population of Delta state. Aniomas are next and they have about 30% of the population of the state. Then you have the Isokos and the Itsekiris with about ten percent each. You see at most even in delta state, Ijaws would be left with 15%.

In rivers state, you have ikwerre and ogoni which would be together about 4 million combined. Then you have Ekpeyes, Ogbas, Etche, Omuma, Ndoki, Ndoni, Oyigbo, Egbema,

When you check the population of these groups together mentioned above, you will see the combined population of these groups cannot be less than 2.5 million.

Then when you put these Igbo groups together with Ikwerre, alongside with Ikwerre, you have some solid 4 million people. When you pit them alongside with Ogoni, you will be looking at six million already.

Benue state is over six million people and when you put the about 800 to 1 million Ijaws in delta at most(i am exaggerating this now to cover for their population in Edo state and Akwa Ibom. Then when you add the population of Ijaws in Rivers state which would not be more than 1.5 million . You have about 2.5 million in Delta and Rivers.

When you put their population in Rivers and delta state together, which would be at most 2.5,when you add that to the 2 million Ijaws in Bayelsa state. That will give you at most a figure of 4.5 million in the south south. Arogbo Ijaws in Ondo state are at most 200,000 people. That is a combined population of about 4.7 million people. That will just be about 80 of the population of Benue state, which the Tivs are already 80% of .

The Tivs also have population of about twenty percent in Nassarawa. As they control one senatorial district there. Even in Taraba, they have a population of about fifteen percent, and they also have very high migratory populations in Kano and kaduna states.

Where else can you find the Ijaws in large numbers outside the niger delta they are already indigenous, it is a clear win for the Tivs. The total population of Tivs in Nigeria are in excess of 8million. The population of Ijaws in Nigeria are no more than 5.5 million

Usenokpevbo:
Ijaws from a fair perspective are not more than Tivs, Bayelsa is the least populated state in the country and would not pass for a senatorial district in some states.

Alongside with that, In delta state, where they are also present, the Urhobos are the largest controlling about 35 % of the population of Delta state. Aniomas are next and they have about 30% of the population of the state. Then you have the Isokos and the Itsekiris with about ten percent each. You see at most even in delta state, Ijaws would be left with 15%.

In rivers state, you have ikwerre and ogoni which would be together about 4 million combined. Then you have Ekpeyes, Ogbas, Etche, Omuma, Ndoki, Ndoni, Oyigbo, Egbema,

When you check the population of these groups together mentioned above, you will see the combined population of these groups cannot be less than 2.5 million.

Then when you put these Igbo groups together with Ikwerre, alongside with Ikwerre, you have some solid 4 million people. When you pit them alongside with Ogoni, you will be looking at six million already.

Benue state is over six million people and when you put the about 800 to 1 million Ijaws in delta at most(i am exaggerating this now to cover for their population in Edo state and Akwa Ibom. Then when you add the population of Ijaws in Rivers state which would not be more than 1.5 million . You have about 2.5 million in Delta and Rivers.

When you put their population in Rivers and delta state together, which would be at most 2.5,when you add that to the 2 million Ijaws in Bayelsa state. That will give you at most a figure of 4.5 million in the south south. Arogbo Ijaws in Ondo state are at most 200,000 people. That is a combined population of about 4.7 million people. That will just be about 80 of the population of Benue state, which the Tivs are already 80% of .

The Tivs also have population of about twenty percent in Nassarawa. As they control one senatorial district there. Even in Taraba, they have a population of about fifteen percent, and they also have very high migratory populations in Kano and kaduna states.

Where else can you find the Ijaws in large numbers outside the niger delta they are already indigenous, it is a clear win for the Tivs. The total population of Tivs in Nigeria are in excess of 8million. The population of Ijaws in Nigeria are no more than 5.5 million

Population on Tiv land is actually the only property of Tiv nation because if you count your population in other places, what about other people on your land too?. I have people in Makurdi as my brother in law's Aunty is married there. So when estimating population of Tiv, it is only the cities and towns under their control that can be used but if they start controlling their land, they will return and the true weight of their population will be known. However Tiv is a heavy weight because their post independence leader J S Tarka is almost as well known as any other national figure.

This will show you the relative population and IGR potential of each state

kettykin:
Isn't kwara not formely yoruba land, yorubas are a senatorial zone in kogi. There are not more yorubas than igbos in kaduna and Abuja, you can check your internet, at a time igbos were said to own 75% of the landed property in Abuja .

If yorubas have been trading in the north then where is the proof, igbos lived and worked in the north even before amalgamation of Nigeria so much so that most prominent igbos were born in the north like Nnamdi Azikiwe in born in zungeru 1904 his parents lived and worked in the north while the british were still trying to colonize Nigeria, which means that there were igbo communities in the north as at 1904 Ojukwu was born in the north, Jim Nwobodo too,Rochas, ike nwachukwu was born of igbo father and fulani mother even before the independence, Alex Ekwueme , cyprian Ekwensi were all born and bred in the north , show me any prominent yoruba leader born in the north etc. I am not talking about kogi or kwara , I mean core northern Nigeria, Nzeogwu was born in the north.

Showing me 1 prominent or visible yoruba born in the north before amalgamation like Zik or even before independence like ojukwu and Jim Nwobodo

Not only 75%.
Igbos own Abuja 95%

You people are really insane no joke

lawani:
This will show you the relative population and IGR potential of each state

this one is not tenable as many people do not go to school in those places, the Voters registration figures is more tenable, Benue has 2.8 million, that is about 3 million voter’s registration already.