Beside the Lagos Lagoon

efepro:
I think it's a bini name. cos historically, the yorubas originated from Edo..
Few weeks ago, our training(Edo) manager was sharing with us, a brief history of Edo/yoruba origin. He said Akpogbon I.e the bus-stop before CMS is a Bini name.

Apongbon is Yoruba

It means man with the Orange Beard
It was Used to refer to the Beard of a British Colonial Governors beard

The man may have had a Ginger beard

absoluteSuccess:


It is a good idea that this linguituc cluster have common origin.



You have said that they have much tones and it has to come to play in their linguitucs.



I think Edo is an independent city State from time and never was a Yoruba satellite. They don't need to patronize Yoruba to be a people, and Yoruba don't have to control Edo to be an empire. None of us have lived so long to know what language was spoken in prehistoric Edo or Yoruba. So we can't become a proxy authority whose claims are self-validated.

Most of all, all these territorialism that we are robing as history may not exist in the days of our ancestors, possibly it's religion that binds them together, you need to stop and think sometimes and ask, would Africa fight a war over land that was never a problem or rather pray for expansion to fill the land?



That simply implies that it's older than the Yoruba language from your perspective and therefore, it's the other way around with the titles. It's not easy making a far reaching conclusion on prehistoric group like that of the west coast, hence it's better to approach the mulky waters without much bias.

God bless your wit sir.

Edo has always been independent and they were the ones who made a Yoruba man their Oba. There is the Oranmiyan story and there is also another Irete meji story of another person entirely named Sasore in the same Benin. All without war or coercion. Not different from how Oduduwa was installed in Ile Ife less than two thousand years ago or the Baba Alaagba in Lagos. The installation of that Oduduwa partly accounts for the language we now speak in my opinion. They were a Kingdom before admitting a new King just like other Edo or Yoruba kingdoms and today they are still a kingdom like they were before inviting those people but to be spreading wrong history of the empire being run with Edo language is a disservice to history because in reality the empire was Yoruba and the ancestors of all royalties founded from Benin were Yorubas and not Edoid people by any stretch of the imagination. That is what needs to be set right. What they have now is Benin kingdom which is Edo while the empire in it's totality was Yoruba. That is the issue. Though I am not a linguist but I will want to believe that the Edoid branch of YEAI is more primordial to the group as a whole than the other branches. It makes sense because they are more southerly and therefore less vulnerable to adulteration from the North. However it does not really mean much of anything since even the Edoid group has diverged into tens of distinct languages that are mutually unintelligible. The level of it's complexity is also not so much more than Yoruba that has five tones with three very commonly used. Bear in mind that some languages in Asia have up to eight tones and some in South Africa have click sounds but I believe Edoid group is the least adulterated cluster of YEAI. They are exposed only or mainly to Ijaw and Ijaw too has been there since God knows when. We are all historians and anybody can add perspective and I will not sit and watch while anybody spreads as truth something that is manifestly wrong

Ologbo147:
i saw your write up above my quoted mention

I want to add that not only that the language Edo exists, it was also the language of the palace of the Oba of Benin. And there are plethora of evidence to prove such.

You must have heard of the edo’nekhue dialect that evolved out of the relationship between the royal family and the eastern Yoruba people. The dialect was spoken by eastern Yoruba people who had affinity with the Oba of Benin.

[b]Even the Yoruba account accented to the fact that the Oba is maternally Edo ancestrall[/b]y.

The names of past Obas of Benin. Both their birth names and their ascension names are all Bini names.

Stools and places affiliated to Benin had one or two Edo relic to buttress the fact that Edo was the palace language. The traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri was and is still Ogiame which directly translates to King of the riverine area .

Go and check the Obi of Agbor and Isele-uku king lists, you are sure to find several Edo names that can be interpreted today.

Even places in Lagos island is replete with Edo naming pattern-Idumagbo, idumota, iduntafa, idunsagbe and so on. What about the name Eko. These are names and places that can be interpreted by Edo and supported by historical account from a Yoruba historian that it came from Edo like the one i quoted above.

There are plethora and plethora of evidence to support the fact that Edo was spoken in the palace


Absolutesuccess i saw your comment and I would like to reply in my comment below

gbam


Idun and Idu stand for very different things.

While Idu is the name of the Edo ancestor and is not connected to this discuss at all, Idun on the other hand is what is related to this discuss.

Idun means a quarter in a settlement, when the word is placed beside some words, the n might then become silent just as in the case of idumota but the n was retained in the case of Iduntafa, Idunsagbe, and Idunmagbo
I am not making this up,

This is a research work by your Yoruba brother, Ayodeji Olukoju from Oka Akoko

my brother that Yoruba account is not in tandem with reality, how can you go borrow a king from someone you barely know.

Okada691:
my brother that Yoruba account is not in tandem with reality, how can you go borrow a king from someone you barely know.

that was a stretch my brother, I just wanted to let him know that either way he is bleeped, when you compare my points to his.

“ i wantto add that not only that the language Edo exists, it was also the language of the palace of the Oba of Benin. And there are plethora of evidence to prove such.

You must have heard of the edo’nekhue dialect that evolved out of the relationship between the royal family and the eastern Yoruba people. The dialect was spoken by eastern Yoruba people who had affinity with the Oba of Benin.

Even the Yoruba account accented to the fact that the Oba is maternally Edo ancestrally.

The names of past Obas of Benin. Both their birth names and their ascension names are all Bini names.

Stools and places affiliated to Benin had one or two Edo relic to buttress the fact that Edo was the palace language. The traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri was and is still Ogiame which directly translates to King of the riverine area .

Go and check the Obi of Agbor and Isele-uku king lists, you are sure to find several Edo names that can be interpreted today.

Even places in Lagos island is replete with Edo naming pattern-Idumagbo, idumota, iduntafa, idunsagbe and so on. What about the name Eko. These are names and places that can be interpreted by Edo and supported by historical account from a Yoruba historian that it came from Edo like the one i quoted above.

There are plethora and plethora of evidence to support the fact that Edo was spoken in the palace “

This is a research work by their Yoruba brother, i don’t think i need to say too much

title of this book is “which Lagos, whose history, by ayodeji olukoju, department of history and strategic studies,university of Lagos, Nigeria

Edoid languages spoken outside Benin? Definitely yes since Edoid languages are plentiful stretching to Rivers, Bayelsa and etc. Benin language outside Benin was not spoken anywhere outside Benin before the twentieth century. Benin of course can not speak Edo to Itsekiri or Ijaw or Ilaje that would have transported them to Lagos and the population of Lagos island as at then was maybe three to five thousand individuals in the seventeenth century or so. Among those people there were Ijesa people, Egba, Ijebu and etc and we have evidence for that as the present King of Lagos is descended from Ologunkutere whose father Baba Alaagba was an Ijesa man. He was not the first Ijesa to settle in Lagos. There were Ijesa in Benin definitely and Benin in Ijesa and the family of my maternal grandma is from the Benin capital in Ipetu Ijesa and they are Yoruba Alawiye is the name . It is a no brainer actually that Benin aristocrats were Yoruba as they could not have been anything else. They have no neighbors at all to speak Benin to. All those names like Iga Iduganran means palace built on a pepper farm. Iganran is the Awori word for pepper. Iga is a Yoruba word for palace among Awori, Ijebu and etc. In deep Yoruba it can mean exalted. Idu in Iduganran is not different from Ido in Ido Ani, Ido Ajinare etc. It means settlement or place of abode. Ido iganran or Iduganran means a place of pepper or pepper farm. Idumota might mean the dwelling of Ota people. Go there and ask them and it is whatever they tell you, you will accept. Nobody there will tell you it is a Benin word. Benin people are not known to the average Awori prior to Nigeria. Who they knew are Ijesa Ijebu, Egun, Hausa, Ijaw, Ghana people and etc. It was Nigeria that brought Edo people to Lagos island for the first time but their Yoruba speaking aristocrats were brought definitely by either Ijaw or Itsekiri seafarers who are Yoruba speakers. I hope you understand now. No Benin aristocrat would speak Edo to Ijaw or Itsekiri people and they did not even understand the language back then

Ologbo147:
that was a stretch my brother, I just wanted to let him know that either way he is bleeped, when you compare my points to his.

“ i wantto add that not only that the language Edo exists, it was also the language of the palace of the Oba of Benin. And there are plethora of evidence to prove such.

You must have heard of the edo’nekhue dialect that evolved out of the relationship between the royal family and the eastern Yoruba people. The dialect was spoken by eastern Yoruba people who had affinity with the Oba of Benin.

Even the Yoruba account accented to the fact that the Oba is maternally Edo ancestrally.

The names of past Obas of Benin. Both their birth names and their ascension names are all Bini names.

Stools and places affiliated to Benin had one or two Edo relic to buttress the fact that Edo was the palace language. The traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri was and is still Ogiame which directly translates to King of the riverine area .

Go and check the Obi of Agbor and Isele-uku king lists, you are sure to find several Edo names that can be interpreted today.

Even places in Lagos island is replete with Edo naming pattern-Idumagbo, idumota, iduntafa, idunsagbe and so on. What about the name Eko. These are names and places that can be interpreted by Edo and supported by historical account from a Yoruba historian that it came from Edo like the one i quoted above.

There are plethora and plethora of evidence to support the fact that Edo was spoken in the palace “

This is a research work by their Yoruba brother, i don’t think i need to say too much

title of this book is “which Lagos, whose history, by ayodeji olukoju, department of history and strategic studies,university of Lagos, Nigeria

aside this Yoruba historian who noted now that the Binis invaded and instituted the monarchy, other historians of note also wrote in support of the idea that the Binis instituted the monarchy. From Bradbury to Ryder all supported the theory that the Oba of Lagos is a direct offshoot of the Oba of Benin. As with conquest and Invasion, there are usually renaming of towns, that is why they started renaming quarters with the Edo language he is used to.

Idumota ~ota people’s district, Idunsagbe, Iduntafa, idunmagbon and so on even the town, he renamed it Eko. Which directly translates to War camp.

Even the Oba of Lagos once said that he is a direct descendant of the Oba of Benin

AKPAMA211:
dont be a fool, the language of the Bini empire was not Yoruba.

You are one big ignorant fool who just post what he wishes or what he feels, there is no empire that’s surrounded on all side, you only have Edo groups that are bilinguals on border areas and nothing more.

Ugbodumila and itsekiri would not make more than ten percent of delta state.

The Edoid group speaking Yoruba only do so on the fact that they are on the border areas. The “Yoruba” communities in Edo state, many of them are not pure Yoruba but Edo, they speak Yoruba because alongside because they directly border Ondo state.


In the whole of the Midwest, which consists of Edo and Delta state the Yoruba group which would be Ugbodumila and itsekiri cannot be more than 5percent of the Population of the Midwest.

When you compare the Two ovia local government together. The population of these two local governments combined would Give the Bini communities there up to 80% of the population of these two local government when they are combined. Ijaw 15% then the pure Yoruba communities 5%.

Itsekiri is not to the east of Benin, get education my brother you are so ignorant.

If the Europeans saw Some chiefs whose ancestry might actually be Yoruba praying in Yoruba, does that make it absolute, what of the abundant fact that has been given to you to corroborate his argument.

Bajulaiye as you guys call it was actually borrowed from Benin. It is a chieftaincy title which directly translates to the Oba brings life. It is correctly pronounced Obazuaye

Those your interpretations of Ughoton and Agenebode are so fake and foolish


Afenmai is made up of three groups, the Owans, the Etsakos which are the largest, then Akoko Edo

At most only ten percent of Etsakos speak Yoruba, alongside their first dialect and it would be those from Agbede.

Owan about thirty, the rest seventy percent don’t speak it, Akoko Edo only speak it as a second language. There is no community in Akoko Edo that speak it as a sole language.

Esan do not speak it at all

Binis at most 5-7 speak it alongside their Edo dialect

In delta state, the itsekiris might just be the smallest group in the whole of Midwest aside uneme and maybe Okpamheri.

In 1952, they were 34 thousand while Isoko the closest was 74 thousand. I don’t think they have rivaled that figure if not for Nigeria censuses that Favour the big three affiliated groups. You can find the Isoko in two full local government. They also have about 6 wards in Ndokwa east. The itsekiris are only fifty percent of warri south. 70 percent of warri north and 55 percent of Warri south west. That’s all.

The Ijaws are in three local government and they also have about 20 percent of the population of the three Warri local government combined. Even the Urhobos are not left out. They also make at least 20 to 25 of the population of Warri, itsekiri would at most make up 55 percent of Warri, so where is the Yoruba population again

Anioma has about 15 percent of the population of the Midwest And the only community Yoruba speaking community there would be 0.002 of the population of anioma. So how are are both state now Yoruba covered.

The method of communication from the palace of Benin to the several communities in Edo and Delta state that were under his domain was that there was a representative of each community who was fluent in both Edo the palace language and the language of his community in order to pass such message communicated from the palace to his community

that is true, the Binis did not allow everybody to speak the Edo language because they deem it as precious but they always have an interpreter or a spokesperson in every community of influence who was usually bilingual speaking his own community tongue and the palace language. That is why the Edonekhue dialect evolved in the first place among the Edo royals in the eastern Yoruba region

It is just like an Ijesa man saying Joshua is a corruption of Ijesa or Jebusite is a corruption of Ijebu or Irish is derived from Iresa when their forefathers or people speaking their language have never set foot in the place before the twentieth century.

Okada691:
aside this Yoruba historian who noted now that the Binis invaded and instituted the monarchy, other historians of note also wrote in support of the idea that the Binis instituted the monarchy. From Bradbury to Ryder all supported the theory that the Oba of Lagos is a direct offshoot of the Oba of Benin. As with conquest and Invasion, there are usually renaming of towns, that is why they started renaming quarters with the Edo language he is used to.

Idumota ~ota people’s district, Idunsagbe, Iduntafa, idunmagbon and so on even the town, he renamed it Eko. Which directly translates to War camp.

Even the Oba of Lagos once said that he is a direct descendant of the Oba of Benin

not only that it is settled in colonial documents my brother, bodies of late kings in Lagos were taken to Benin. Those of Bradbury and Ryder built up on what the Europeans had settled.

The Oba of Lagos after he said that he was an offshoot of Benin, they nearly came for his head but he knew what he was saying. His fathers before him in the 1850stold the colonial masters that the Oba of Benin was the owner of Lagos.

Ryder noted that emblems of authority which signifies confirmation of stools were always sent from Benin. And tributary payments was annually sent from Lagos to Benin.

I think this material from a Yoruba historian settles it, he is a realist and does not want to delude himself. He obviously knew where it came from. He knew that these are vestiges of the Edo language.

Okada691:
aside this Yoruba historian who noted now that the Binis invaded and instituted the monarchy, other historians of note also wrote in support of the idea that the Binis instituted the monarchy. From Bradbury to Ryder all supported the theory that the Oba of Lagos is a direct offshoot of the Oba of Benin. As with conquest and Invasion, there are usually renaming of towns, that is why they started renaming quarters with the Edo language he is used to.

Idumota ~ota people’s district, Idunsagbe, Iduntafa, idunmagbon and so on even the town, he renamed it Eko. Which directly translates to War camp.

Even the Oba of Lagos once said that he is a direct descendant of the Oba of Benin

Benin established a monarchy in a village at the time derived from a small military post stationed there but a village overtime can become a metropolis. The Benin that came there spoke a southeastern Yoruba dialect while the Awori spoke a variant of the same southeastern Yoruba. They were the same people and there was no war. If there was a war it would be recorded in history. It was just in the seventeenth century not farther back. The Eleko royal family was established by Benin but it disconnected from Benin when Benin declined and was even paying tribute to Akure. It became relatively prosperous on its own. It was birthed by Ogunda Irete and Lagosians believe who managed to make it happen was an Awo from Ijesa land who they saw as a sage. He wanted to return to Ijesa and he was tied down by being given a princess to marry from the royal family and a palace was built for him. He was literarily enthroned and all Lagos monarchs are his descendants but they are also descended from Benin from the mother of Ologunkutere who was the son of the Awo by the princess. The monarchy itself was started by Benin and three chiefs are from Benin Bajulaye whose name current Benin can not pronounce well, Ashogbon and Oshodin, the other chiefs are not Benin but their own Benin was Yoruba speaking Benin and if your own is not it means it is not the same thing. The three chiefs of Benin origin in Lagos came from a Yoruba speaking capital not from one calling Bajulaiye Bazulaye not one that can not pronounce Deji of Akure

lawani:


Benin established a monarchy in a village at the time derived from a small military post stationed there but a village overtime can become a metropolis. The Benin that came there spoke a southeastern Yoruba dialect while the Awori spoke a variant of the same southeastern Yoruba. They were the same people and there was no war. If there was a war it would be recorded in history. It was just in the seventeenth century not farther back. The Eleko royal family was established by Benin but it disconnected from Benin when Benin declined and was even paying tribute to Akure. It became relatively prosperous on its own. It was birthed by Ogunda Irete and Lagosians believe who managed to make it happen was an Awo from Ijesa land who they saw as a sage. He wanted to return to Ijesa and he was tied down by being given a princess to marry from the royal family and a palace was built for him. He was literarily enthroned and all Lagos monarchs are his descendants but they are also descended from Benin from the mother of Ologunkutere who was the son of the Awo by the princess. The monarchy itself was started by Benin and three chiefs are from Benin Bajulaye whose name current Benin can not pronounce well, Ashogbon and Oshodin, the other chiefs are not Benin but their own Benin was Yoruba speaking Benin and if your own is not it means it is not the same thing. The three chiefs of Benin origin in Lagos came from a Yoruba speaking capital not from one calling Bajulaiye Bazulaye not one that can not pronounce Deji of Akure

Bini was the empire, don’t be a goat, you are a fat fool, a big goat, the king of dumb people. One whose iq is less than 0. A very demented human being.

Those titles went from BENIN TO THOSE places not the other way round.

Obazuaye is a chieftaincy title just like Obaretin, Obarisiagbon and so on. The same with Oshodin and Esogban, it was corrupted by Yoruba. Esogban was created alongside the Iyase and so many other titles during the reign of Ewedo.

Talk is cheap, post any material at all where the Binis paid tribute to akure and i will send you ten thousand naira card.

The language spoken by the Obas of Lagos were not similar to what was spoken in Lagos. That is why many historians even Yoruba historians can acknowledge those were vestiges of Edo. In the whole of Nigeria, there is no place where Idun is used as a prefix of the name of a quarter.

Idun as the name of quarters in Edo state would be over 150. Idun Oza, idunekae, Idunowina etc i have seen foolish Yorubas but yours is the heights.

AKPAMA211:
Bini was the empire, don’t be a goat, you are a fat fool, a big goat, the king of dumb people. One whose iq is less than 0. A very demented human being.

Those titles went from BENIN TO THOSE places not the other way round.

Obazuaye is a chieftaincy title just like Obaretin, Obarisiagbon and so on. The same with Oshodin and Esogban, it was corrupted by Yoruba. Esogban was created alongside the Iyase and so many other titles during the reign of Ewedo.

Talk is cheap, post any material at all where the Binis paid tribute to akure and i will send you ten thousand naira card.

The language spoken by the Obas of Lagos were not similar to what was spoken in Lagos. That is why many historians even Yoruba historians can acknowledge those were vestiges of Edo. In the whole of Nigeria, there is no place where Idun is used as a prefix of the name of a quarter.

Idun as the name of quarters in Edo state would be over 150. Idun Oza, idunekae, Idunowina etc i have seen foolish Yorubas but yours is the heights.

Stop your insult, tell your story.

Nobody stops you from telling your story bro.

absoluteSuccess:


Stop your insult, tell your story.

Nobody stops you from telling your story bro.

tell him to also stop his insult, he is insulting us (Edos)with his severe ignorance and it is not funny anymore, since i have been reading his argument, he has not quoted one paper, he just make claims he cannot back up, even when several materials are given to him. He does not accept and still goes back to his previous claims

He uses “be civil”to subtly pass his useless agenda, i want to let him know Benin people are the hallmark of violence. I have seen through him, and I promise with my life to insult him into oblivion.

AKPAMA211:
tell him to also stop his insult, he is insulting us (Edos)with his severe ignorance and it is not funny anymore, since i have been reading his argument, he has not quoted one paper, he just make claims he cannot back up, even when several materials are given to him. He does not accept and still goes back to his previous claims

He uses “be civil”to subtly pass his useless agenda, i want to let him know Benin people are the hallmark of violence. I have seen through him, and I promise with my life to insult him into oblivion.

Everyone have to calm down and study. In as much as I disagree with him on many grounds, I don't agree with your claims either. But I can't ask you not to tell your perceived truth.

We have to learn from both sides.

For instance, how many people, king or chief were killed at the conquest of Lagos, what is the traditional Bini version of this invasion and what impasse or crisis precede the conquest?

Everybody conquer in theories.

absoluteSuccess:


Everyone have to calm down and study. In as much as I disagree with him on many grounds, I don't agree with your claims either. But I can't ask you not to tell your perceived truth.

We have to learn from both sides.

For instance, how many people, king or chief were killed at the conquest of Lagos, what is the traditional Bini version of this invasion and what impasse or crisis precede the conquest?

Everybody conquer in theories.

it is not perceived, it is settled in history, plethora of eye witness accounts, plethora of historians from Europeaccounts in the 20th century and even a Yoruba historian perspective up there. It is not like we are pulling facts from our buttocks. It is vivid and it what is traceable. Anyone trying to downplay the influence of Edo on Lagos is on a wild goose chase.

anyone trying to downplay the effect of the Edo language on the Benin empire is headed on a mirage journey because there are several facts to buttress it unlike himself that has never cited any material since i started reading his work. my brothers on here in the past has consistently cited several materials

absoluteSuccess:


Stop your insult, tell your story.

Nobody stops you from telling your story bro.

He is one of the never do well bastards who were not given good upbringing. He will never amount to anything worthwhile. Such people don't.

absoluteSuccess:


Everyone have to calm down and study. In as much as I disagree with him on many grounds, I don't agree with your claims either. But I can't ask you not to tell your perceived truth.

We have to learn from both sides.

For instance, how many people, king or chief were killed at the conquest of Lagos, what is the traditional Bini version of this invasion and what impasse or crisis precede the conquest?

Everybody conquer in theories.

Thank you for your approach which shows good upbringing and etc. I wrote a curse against him but it did not upload. Please highlight what you want me to elucidate. I am a purely academic minded person who would withdraw from any unsound position and I do that frequently. Can you point to the faults in my positions so that I can have a new conclusion starting from today. Meanwhile any Idu in Benin is a Yoruba name of which the people there don't know the meaning unless it is a word they share with Yoruba. Ido is Idu which means settlement and there are many Yoruba place names like that. Ido Ajinare. Ido Ani, Ido Ijesa and many others. They should show Edoid place names outside Benin with Idu or Ido or show us Idumota Iduganran in Benin or start claiming it was Edo speaking people that established all Idus in Yoruba land

AKPAMA211:
tell him to also stop his insult, he is insulting us (Edos)with his severe ignorance and it is not funny anymore, since i have been reading his argument, he has not quoted one paper, he just make claims he cannot back up, even when several materials are given to him. He does not accept and still goes back to his previous claims

He uses “be civil”to subtly pass his useless agenda, i want to let him know Benin people are the hallmark of violence. I have seen through him, and I promise with my life to insult him into oblivion.

You are a bastard. Tell me where I insulted you. You lack proper upbringing and are very uncouth

lawani:


You are a bastard. Tell me where I insulted you. You lack proper upbringing and are very uncouth

You have not amounted to anything good in life, that is why you have all the time to pass your severe ignorance. Well brought kill you there, if you well brought up, you will not denigrate the Edo race. You almost reference no article here and you go about saying fact, you think fact is feelings.

you are a wasted soul, a foolish slowpoke, i am not reneging on my promise, i am going to insult you into oblivion, try it and see.

I gave you a challenge to provide proof where Bini paid tribute to Akure and I will give you ten thousand naira card, you cannot find it anywhere except your senile brain filled with Imagination.

Iduakae is owned by Akure people
Iduowina is owned by Owena Ijesa people and etc etc. Edo as a word itself is a corruption of Ido or Idu

lawani:


He is one of the never do well bastards who were not given good upbringing. He will never amount to anything worthwhile. Such people don't.

You have not amounted to anything good in life, that is why you have all the time to pass your severe ignorance. Well brought kill you there, if you well brought up, you will not denigrate the Edo race. You almost reference no article here and you go about saying fact, you think fact is feelings.

you are a wasted soul, a foolish slowpoke, i am not reneging on my promise, i am going to insult you into oblivion, try it and see.

I gave you a challenge to provide proof where Bini paid tribute to Akure and I will give you ten thousand naira card, you cannot find it anywhere except your senile brain filled with Imagination.

lawani:
Iduakae is owned by Akure people
Iduowina is owned by Owena Ijesa people and etc etc

oga Ogun dae kill your pa, are you a worthless soul, iduowina is a quarter of People that deal in wood. Owina means workmen in Edo, have you ever read of the guild system in Benin.

Ekae is the name of a person, a notable person in History, don’t be a slowpoke, you are a worthless soul, among all dull people here, you are Apex, you do not deserve civility and you are not getting one from me

You make worthless claims out of the ceilings, what kind of a worthless soul are you

lawani:


Thank you for your approach which shows good upbringing and etc. I wrote a curse against him but it did not upload. Please highlight what you want me to elucidate. I am a purely academic minded person who would withdraw from any unsound position and I do that frequently. Can you point to the faults in my positions so that I can have a new conclusion starting from today. Meanwhile any Idu in Benin is a Yoruba name of which the people there don't know the meaning unless it is a word they share with Yoruba. Ido is Idu which means settlement and there are many Yoruba place names like that. Ido Ajinare. Ido Ani, Ido Ijesa and many others. They should show Edoid place names outside Benin with Idu or Ido or show us Idumota Iduganran in Benin or start claiming it was Edo speaking people that established all Idus in Yoruba land

That is why I said you are ignorant, so neck deep in ignorance, from. Ekpoma to Ewohimi to Ewu to Urhonigbe to all Edo communities in Edo south and central Edo. Are you joking? Several quarters of these towns are replete with Idun. It is countless

AKPAMA211:
it is not perceived, it is settled in history, plethora of eye witness accounts, plethora of historians from Europeaccounts in the 20th century and even a Yoruba historian perspective up there. It is not like we are pulling facts from our buttocks. It is vivid and it what is traceable. Anyone trying to downplay the influence of Edo on Lagos is on a wild goose chase.

anyone trying to downplay the effect of the Edo language on the Benin empire is headed on a mirage journey because there are several facts to buttress it unlike himself that has never cited any material since i started reading his work. my brothers on here in the past has consistently cited several materials

Yoruba don't usually lie about their history, because most of their traditions have backup. You can always go behind and draw out their history from their traditions.

Try not to be sentimental. When did the Bini conquest of Lagos happened, what was the name of the king that was deposed? If there's an eyewitness account, this is recent in history.

By the way, I'm not downplaying the Bini place in Eko history, the history of Eko is is not complete without our Bini heritage and for this there are ogalades called "Ara Ibini arokuntayo."

lawani:


You are a bastard. Tell me where I insulted you. You lack proper upbringing and are very uncouth

Take it easy, fighting will never help us in making progress. You can't make enemy of a people you believe to be your kindred except you are only interested in the royalty.

Or if I'm mistaken, the Yoruba Bini history stops at the ruling house you mean? Is that your angle?

absoluteSuccess:


Yoruba don't usually lie about their history, because most of their traditions have backup. You can always go behind and draw out their history from their traditions.

Try not to be sentimental. When did the Bini conquest of Lagos happened, what was the name of the king that was deposed? If there's an eyewitness account, this is recent in history.

By the way, I'm not downplaying the Bini place in Eko history, the history of Eko is is not complete without our Bini heritage and for this there are ogalades called "Ara Ibini arokuntayo."

Bro do some study, It is already certified in history, several materials (has been pasted here and there before backing the conquest or attesting to the conquest of Lagos by the Binis . I don’t see how these Europeans would want to lie as it pertains to the fact that they are not members of either tribes.You can’t be asking me what happened then, i was not there, I read of the conquest of Lagos by Orhogbua and the subsequent installation of his son as king of Lagos.

There are Edo vestiges everywhere of a foreign culture and a conquest, that is certainly not in tune with what they met on ground.

AKPAMA211:
Bro do some study, It is already certified in history, several materials (has been pasted here and there before backing the conquest or attesting to the conquest of Lagos by the Binis . I don’t see how these Europeans would want to lie as it pertains. You can’t be asking me what happened then, i was not there, I read of the conquest of Lagos by Orhogbua and the subsequent installation of his son as king of Lagos.

There would be no conquest if the account never tally. There must be a reason a place was conquered, if that is not established, we look at founding.

How would the possibility of Edo being part of the founding fathers of Lagos hurt the history of Bini? The name of the first king of Lagos is Oba Ado, he was the son of Ashipa.

absoluteSuccess:


There would be no conquest if the account never tally. There must be a reason a place was conquered, if that is not established, we look at founding.

How would the possibility of Edo being part of the founding fathers of Lagos hurt the history of Bini? The name of the first king of Lagos is Oba Ado, he was the son of Ashipa.

The conquest happened during the reign of Oba Orhogbua and Oba Ado according to Bini accounts and several European historians account was his biological son

who said it is unfounded, you asking me how many soldiers died, how many children of citizens died. This is African history where they wrote nothing. It is just like you asking me how many soldiers did Oba Ozolua take to the Uromi-Uzea war? All we know is that there was a war and we read summary of what happened in the war.

It is like you asking me how many children died in the Benin Igala war? Because I can’t tell you now does that mean It did not happen. I don’t even know the name of the king that Oba Esigie fought with at the time in Igala.


It is not recorded but we have a summary of the war that it went in the Favour of the European account.

In the Bini account, Bini wanted Access over the Lagos and he wanted to extend his frontiers up to the Dahomey. So Lagos needs to be in the pockets, that’s why it went that way.

But you guys nearly crucified the Oba of Lagos when he said he said he is a paternal descendant of the Oba of Benin. Are you saying he does not know his history? Are you Saying the several European historians who jotted this down are clowns? Are you saying the Yoruba professor of history above who jotted it down as an invasion is a clown.


It is not about whether it would hurt Benin history or not, it is about the truth.

AKPAMA211:
The conquest happened during the reign of Oba Orhogbua and Oba Ado according to Bini accounts and several European historians account was his biological son

who said it is unfounded, you asking me how many soldiers died, how many children of citizens died. This is African history where they wrote nothing. It is just like you asking me how many soldiers did Oba Ozolua take to the Uromi-Uzea war? All we know is that there was a war and we read summary of what happened in the war.

It is like you asking me how many children died in the Benin Igala war? Because I can’t tell you now does that mean It did not happen. I don’t even know the name of the king that Oba Esigie fought with at the time in Igala.


It is not recorded but we have a summary of the war that it went in the Favour of the European account.

In the Bini account, Bini wanted Access over the Lagos sea and he wanted to extend his frontiers up to Dahomey. So Lagos needs to be in the pockets, that’s why it went that way.

But you guys nearly crucified the Oba of Lagos when he said he said he is a paternal descendant of the Oba of Benin. Are you saying he does not know his history? Are you Saying the several European historians who jotted this down are clowns? Are you saying the Yoruba professor of history above who jotted it down as an invasion is a clown.


It is not about whether it would hurt Benin history or not, it is about the truth.

my brother these people don’t like the fact of history, they like to euphemise history and history is not like that

AKPAMA211:
The conquest happened during the reign of Oba Orhogbua and Oba Ado according to Bini accounts and several European historians account was his biological son

who said it is unfounded, you asking me how many soldiers died, how many children of citizens died. This is African history where they wrote nothing. It is just like you asking me how many soldiers did Oba Ozolua take to the Uromi-Uzea war? All we know is that there was a war and we read summary of what happened in the war.

It is like you asking me how many children died in the Benin Igala war? Because I can’t tell you now does that mean It did not happen. I don’t even know the name of the king that Oba Esigie fought with at the time in Igala.


It is not recorded but we have a summary of the war that it went in the Favour of the European account.

In the Bini account, Bini wanted Access over the Lagos and he wanted to extend his frontiers up to the Dahomey. So Lagos needs to be in the pockets, that’s why it went that way.

But you guys nearly crucified the Oba of Lagos when he said he said he is a paternal descendant of the Oba of Benin. Are you saying he does not know his history? Are you Saying the several European historians who jotted this down are clowns? Are you saying the Yoruba professor of history above who jotted it down as an invasion is a clown.


It is not about whether it would hurt Benin history or not, it is about the truth.

Be competent brother, I have not made any allegations, you have given us the name of the king who was installed during the conquest, it agrees with the name of the king in Yoruba tradition that was the first king of Eko.

What is the name of the king who was conquered?

Please don't forget you only have the name of the king in whose reign Eko was conquered not quite long. So, I understand it's not a matter of Bini being part of the founding fathers of Eko but were the conquerors of the people here.

absoluteSuccess:


Be competent brother, I have not made any allegations, you have given us the name of the king who was installed during the conquest, it agrees with the name of the king in Yoruba tradition that was the first king of Eko.

What is the name of the king who was conquered?

Please don't forget you only have the name of the king in whose reign Eko was conquered not quite long. So, I understand it's not a matter of Bini being part of the founding fathers of Eko but were the conquerors of the people here.

this is what you initially ask me bro I find that question absurd. This was your initial question to me below and sincerely i find it absurd, i used Uromi~Benin war to buttress an example that that question was unnecessary because Africans never wrote history and the eyewitness accounts we have did not really document in details but in summary. I further opined that the person(the king of Igala) Oba Esigie fought, the Attah at the time isn’t known in history,. So what are you on about?

”for instance , how many people, king or chief were killed at the conquest of Lagos, what is the traditional
Bini version of this invasion and what impasse or crisis precede the conquest?“ this was your question and i find it totally baseless

Oba Orhogbua wanted to be in charge of the Lagos sea, and he also wanted to extend his frontiers to Dahomey that’s all