And so?
blacks need to be saved from inferiority complex.

Islamisformumu:
She is a Dravidian and Dravidians are not Africans. They are genetically and phenotypically different from Africans.
They belong to completely different language and haplogroups to Africans.
I always feel sorry for Africans trying to force African identity down the throats of others.
There have always been dark skinned people in the world who live outside of Africa. All these people have a continuous history that's older than even Africa's history, yet Africans want to claim ownership over them.
The only black Africans who made it to to the Indian subcontinent did so as slaves.
Someone like Malik Ambar who rose to prominence in India was the descendant of an African slave.

That is the wrong part I've alighted. The earliest homo sapiens were blacks of different race emanating from Africa, probably spreading round the world before the continental drift just the way we had dinosaurs of different species roaming the earth at a time. Then these various blacks interbreed with neanderthal kind of apes to form more distinct race around the world.
So black is not a race but a color use to differentiate people.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6309227/

Neandertals and anatomically modern humans overlapped geographically for a period of over 30,000 years following human migration out of Africa. During this period, Neandertals and humans interbred, as evidenced by Neandertal portions of the genome carried by non-African individuals today.

Minsk24:

It is because his narrative is false and it is propaganda to mislead black people to fake superiority...
While it is possible that they may have migrated thousands of years ago before continental drift, we cannot ignore the fact that human DNA has been manipulated by beings with advanced technology (Gods)

I was with you till the bolded.

Minsk24:

A black person shouldn't mean u are from Africa...the people of the Papua New Guinea are black, but they are not Africans...

Absolutely, and yet not every African is a black person

Minsk24:

Because it makes no sense ...
Migration did not lead to the diversity of races we have today.... there's still much about human history we are yet to uncover

Granted, you said it doesn't make sense to you how we came to have different races of humans, as migration should not have given rise to the several races. I agree with you that such a phenomenon would not make sense to almost everyone alive. But there's a reason for everything, because He is an ' intentional ' Creator, God.
Sometimes when this issue comes to my mind I find myself pondering on how we came to have a caucasian, a latino, an asian, an african, light-skin person, dark-skin person , and so on. But He said, as time goes on, the Holy Spirit will teach you all things. It's still a continuous process. It is still in motion.

Here is what i came to understand (disputable, though). I tried to reflect on the story of the tower of Babel, when God caused the people, plenty of them, to start speaking different languages, in a bid to stop them from depending solely on their human capabilities. They had pride in their hearts, and felt they were their own God.
Just indulge me... I'm driving at something.
So, when he gave them different languages to communicate with, it is possible that at that time the people of Babylon were already of different physical traits, such as skin color and appearance.
Then you may now come to ask, but how come this is so, if it is believed that Adam and Eve where both of the same ethnicity and race ? Surely, they had to have looked alike in terms of skin color and the rest (with exceptions to male-female attributes, of course).
To which I'm tempted to answer, NO. No to mean that Adam and Eve may not have been created in the same hue or race. Sounds absurd, right? Not really. He is a God of design and varieties. Check out the species of fish, dogs and all of the rest (apart from the dog variants that humans crossbred, oh). Aren't they distinctive/different (colours, appearances) yet, still similar in functionality ( hunting patterns, their organs, body parts, are situated in similar positions as those of other species categorized with them) E.g, tiger lion, jaguar, puma, and so on.
They all dont look identical, but however, bear great similarities in both appearance and ways of functioning (stalking prey, pouncing on it, chewing with one side of their mouths whilst feeding, e.t.c) You get the point now? I do hope you do.

Continuing...God was the architect of all of this. Do you think all the angels in heaven look exactly the same? Nope.
Or have the same build, or carriage, or abilities? Absolutely not. It is even recorded in scriptures how some angels were described or detailed (although not revealing that much ).
We do know that some of the angels that appeared to certain individuals, as recorded in scriptures didn't have wings according to their accounts of these visitations, whilst some scripture passages depicte some angels with wings, even carrying swords. Like the Angel Michael. So, this tells us that there is a variance in the appearance of angels, but that they largely have the same figure. ( Same angels, minor difference...Lol..BBN, see what you're causing ). But i hope this is understandable?

Moving on...It is the same God who created them that way. He likes variety. He wants all to get along together, teaching them love and unity. But people don't seem to get this mystery. God created this mystery to teach humans, and even the hosts of heaven- the angels, the elders, a deep, wise lesson. To showcase his power to create variations of the same living being, yet putting them all on a level-playing field, to showcase equality. After the fall of Adam and Eve, that was when the spirit (the knowledge of evil) of inequality and discord came to the world to corrupt mankind to see one race of people as better looking, more desirous, this and that, than the other race. It was not in the original plan of God for this mindset to be amongst humans. Sin brought it in.
Let me end it here by saying this, and I stand to be corrected by anyone who feels they have a better explanation to this subject, that GOD DIDN'T CREATE ADAM AND EVE OF THE SAME RACE AND EVEN SKIN TONE. He is a master of twists and turns. He is intentional. It is not climate or temperature variations, as claimed by some, that made some people to have a different skin than others. This would have been true if the black Hebrew Africans of the ancient world had always been inhabiting the continent of Africa from the beginning. But we know, according to historians that Africans migrated down to this continent filled with milk and honey (or plentiful natural resources, enough to be envied by the rest of the other citizens of other continents) after they were led to this continent by one of their forefathers called Abraham. Bible historians make this claim, which is plausible if you do some research on it.
No race of people previously inhabited Africa before our earliest ancestors came down here to inhabit it. It was a reserved geographical area (intentionally done by the creator). God did this mystery. So I'm ruling out climatic factors from being a determinant of the different skin colors we see today. How come some animals that originally started off in Africa (before they were taken away to be multiplied abroad, o those only found here in Africa don't all have black furs or bodies? If climate (being below the equator as many people suggest) was responsible for our darker (abeg i wanted to just call it black, but... ) skin colours?
See that? That's God's design. Use the same logic to rationalize what i said. God created Adam and Eve too look different from each other. In his wisdom and ingenuity did he create other races too, as time went on (as the descendants of Adam and Eve kept on bearing children) I'm really of the belief that even those descendants had also been shocked to see that a sexual union of an african and an asian-looking couple could give birth to a Hispanic looking baby boy. That a caucasian union with a semetic person had resulted in the birth of an African baby. It was all God's doing to show them his creativeness and make them " marvel " Thats what God does through his creations (he makes is marvel, but the devil twisted it to seem as if science is the reason we MARVEL at created things )
So those category of people from the different races didn't reject their new borns who looked different from them, but rather, they embraced the children that had different physical traits than they (the parents) had. It was obvious they knew that God was the source of those babies, as the earth may have not been too populated as of the time of these happenings, to further help them to know that the only likely reason they were given birth to different-looking babies must have been as God wanted it to be. It is not recorded, so we do not know for sure if they questioned God, or cried upon seeing the difference in appearance of their newly birthed children. Must have been a funny, interested scene to experience or see. I wish i was alive when these things were happening. Lol.
You know, we were told that Noah had children, and they to have birth to children, and the populating of the earth went on and on. However, as we can all agree, it wasn't documented in scriptures how the offsprings looked in terms of race and appearance in detail. Who knows if they were different, and the bible intentionally omitted these kinds id informations from people in the future knowing exactly how it all went down, until the mystery of God comes to an end. Then all thinhs shall be revealed.
God was teaching them something. And also slowly populating the world with the different races, in line with his mysterious grand plan.
Nothing is by accident.

I'm done.
PS: before writing out all these things, I prayed quickly to the Holy Spirit to help give me understanding, so as not to mislead you with my own understanding. You and anyone else that would take their time out to read through. So, i just believe that God to an extent inspired all of the things I have written up there.
Like i said, i stand to be corrected if anyone thinks i am overly wrong with my claims. Also come with your reasons so we may learn better.

tollyboy5:

That is the wrong part I've alighted. The earliest homo sapiens were blacks of different race emanating from Africa, probably spreading round the world before the continental drift just the way we had dinosaurs of different species roaming the earth at a time. Then these various blacks interbreed with neanderthal kind of apes to form more distinct race around the world.
So black is not a race but a color use to differentiate people.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6309227/

[b]Neandertals and anatomically modern humans overlapped geographically for a period of over 30,000 years following human migration out of Africa. During this period, Neandertals and humans interbred, as [/b]evidenced by Neandertal portions of the genome carried by non-African individuals today.

As recorded by science. According to scientific investigations. I understand science will always sway contrary to spirituality (not necessarily religion) in its reasons and claims.
This makes for an interesting debate, sha.

But i am still convicted that science got the creation story and the migration of the earliest inhabitants of the earth wrong. Because Satan, who rules this world won't like for God to ne given credit for any of those historical occurrences. To further disprove of His (God's) existence.
But nice, interesting content there from you. It was a good read...Even though i disagree with it. :-)

Minsk24:

Yes you are right, but your are wrong to compare their colour with black Africans...the South Indians should be compared to Africans in the Sahara ... ethiopia, Somalia, berbers, tuaregs and co...the only people outside of Africa that have comparable black colour is the people of the Pacific region,
Papua new guinea, Solomon island, aboriginal Australians and co

This shows you've either not seen the people in question on you've only met just a few of them. You couldn't have seen these people and tell me that their colour is only comparable to East Africans, like seriously?! The Yellow coloured East Africans?!

I have lived the past 10 years of my life in a country where I meet all these people on a daily basis; Eritreans, Somalians, Ethiopians, Kenyans, Indians, Nepalese, Bangaldeshis, Sri Lankans, Egyptians, Sudanese etc. So, I am not being hypothetical or base my comments on what I see on TV, I am talking about what I see daily with my two eyes.

The Indian president is a ceremonial position with zero powers. The president of Ethiopia is a woman too, bet you've never heard of her before.

Quintessence44:


SHE IS A BLACK WOMAN.

The first Indians were BLACK AFRICANS. In fact the ancient Greek scholar Herodotus, around the year 450 BC, referred to India as ''the other Ethiopia''.

Of course, 'Ethiopia' was the name the ancient Greeks gave to all Africa south of the Sahara.

The Africans, many (but not all) of whom were from the Horn of Africa, migrated to India on ships, and established Indian civilization, as well as the first empires of India 3,000 years ago.

They are now known as the Dravidians in India.

The Dravidians after a few thousand years of dominance were overran by Aryans from the north, which led to their current population constitution whereby the south of India is mostly black/brown while the north is lighter skin coloured, plus various shades in between caused by intermarriage and racial mixture.

So as Aboriginal Australian 🦘

GYBABA:


I might agree for that of an Albino but a white man that's frequently exposed would start getting tanned at first. Continue this & they'll start getting dark skinned gradually. Not as dark as a black man but there will be a definite change in complexion. Seems you underestimate the power of the sun.

Very true, ok let's look at Europe for example Swedes, Norwegians ,Scots are very white skinned because they have longer winter and less sun🌞. Now come to Mediterranean Europe like Portugal Spain and Southern Italy they are not so White. Cristiano Ronaldo is a good example.

tollyboy5:

melanin is not a result of sun burn. The white lacks that maybe due to evolution or something who knows.

Adaptation leads to evolution. They began genetically evolving when they migrated to colder, higher regions. Finer, longer hair to cover their heads and necks. Lighter skin because of absence of burning heat. Longer noses because of the thinner air etcetera etcetera.

This evolution took place over a course of thousands of years.

Ethiopians look very much like the black indians and Sri Lankans they have curly hair also.

Quintessence44:


DISCREDITED EUROCENTRIC TRASH.

Linguistic, cultural, and archaeological evidence FIRMLY confirm India's roots in BLACK AFRICA, particularly the Horn of Africa.

Not only that, but the FIRST EUROPEANS THEMSELVES WERE BLACK AFRICANS.

Here is the reconstruction of 'Cheddar man' - representing the earliest AFRICAN settlers of Europe 11,000 years ago, by English archaeologists.



Read about it here:
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/ancient-face-cheddar-man-reconstructed-dna-spd

Even the blonde hair and blue eyes of Europeans originated in AFRICA.

Many people of African descent retain those features even today.

Quintessence44:


Have they officially changed it now?

No, Bharat is just another (Hindi) name for India.

GreyLaw:


See the way you are contradicting yourself! She is NOT black!!! Black is not a colour but a genetic makeup. See that woman's hair alone, it negates everything Black.

Haven't you seen blacks with curly hair, Go and check out Somalians, Eritreans and Ethiopians and do I need to remind you of the continental divide that separated Africa from Asia, and Asia from Australia? We have True Aboriginal Australians that have all these Indian features as Black Indians.

GYBABA:


I might agree for that of an Albino but a white man that's frequently exposed would start getting tanned at first. Continue this & they'll start getting dark skinned gradually. Not as dark as a black man but there will be a definite change in complexion. Seems you underestimate the power of the sun.

Do you how HOT Dubai and Middle East is? What about some arab countries and dessert countries that are even hotter than Nigeria but not still black skin

Gerrard59:


One area I have little knowledge about - is the prevalence of black looking people in places with no slave trade involvement, like those in East Indonesia and Papua.

Continental divide caused it, millions of years the earth was just a vast land until it the waters started dividing it. That's why you blacks in south America, Australia and the Polynesia.etc

arantess:
OP, have you not seen dark skinned Iraqis - from Basra especially?
They are not blacks

And even dark skinned Saudis. You the problem with the black race is that they are systemically given or push to the lowest rung of the ladder economically, politically and in almost all spheres of life. This is what we should rise up and fight against.

JakeII:


Are you trying to say there aren't black skinned asians/Indians? I'm asking becasue I don't understand your point exactly. Those fair/light skinned Indians you see in Bollywood are usually from the Northern part of the country and they are the ones who dominate Bollywood (By the way, they have order movie industries in india apart from Bollywood which happens to be the biggest and most popular - you can google for malay movies, Telugu movies, Punjami etc).

Back to the issue of colour, If you go to South India instates like Kerala, Tamilnadu, Kochi etc. They are mostly dark skinned and in fact, some of them are as black as any black African. Same with the Sinhalese and Singalam people of Sri Lanka as well as many parts of Bangladesh.

So, nothing is out of the ordinary about the black woman president's colour or any dark skinned Asian.

they are not black. instead they are a figment of racial variation. can you say Nani is black?

PaulOtl:

Granted, you said it doesn't make sense to you how we came to have different races of humans, as migration should not have given rise to the several races. I agree with you that such a phenomenon would not make sense to almost everyone alive. But there's a reason for everything, because He is an ' intentional ' Creator, God.
Sometimes when this issue comes to my mind I find myself pondering on how we came to have a caucasian, a latino, an asian, an african, light-skin person, dark-skin person , and so on. But He said, as time goes on, the Holy Spirit will teach you all things. It's still a continuous process. It is still in motion.

Here is what i came to understand (disputable, though). I tried to reflect on the story of the tower of Babel, when God caused the people, plenty of them, to start speaking different languages, in a bid to stop them from depending solely on their human capabilities. They had pride in their hearts, and felt they were their own God.
Just indulge me... I'm driving at something.
So, when he gave them different languages to communicate with, it is possible that at that time the people of Babylon were already of different physical traits, such as skin color and appearance.
Then you may now come to ask, but how come this is so, if it is believed that Adam and Eve where both of the same ethnicity and race ? Surely, they had to have looked alike in terms of skin color and the rest (with exceptions to male-female attributes, of course).
To which I'm tempted to answer, NO. No to mean that Adam and Eve may not have been created in the same hue or race. Sounds absurd, right? Not really. He is a God of design and varieties. Check out the species of fish, dogs and all of the rest (apart from the dog variants that humans crossbred, oh). Aren't they distinctive/different (colours, appearances) yet, still similar in functionality ( hunting patterns, their organs, body parts, are situated in similar positions as those of other species categorized with them) E.g, tiger lion, jaguar, puma, and so on.
They all dont look identical, but however, bear great similarities in both appearance and ways of functioning (stalking prey, pouncing on it, chewing with one side of their mouths whilst feeding, e.t.c) You get the point now? I do hope you do.

Continuing...God was the architect of all of this. Do you think all the angels in heaven look exactly the same? Nope.
Or have the same build, or carriage, or abilities? Absolutely not. It is even recorded in scriptures how some angels were described or detailed (although not revealing that much ).
We do know that some of the angels that appeared to certain individuals, as recorded in scriptures didn't have wings according to their accounts of these visitations, whilst some scripture passages depicte some angels with wings, even carrying swords. Like the Angel Michael. So, this tells us that there is a variance in the appearance of angels, but that they largely have the same figure. ( Same angels, minor difference...Lol..BBN, see what you're causing ). But i hope this is understandable?

Moving on...It is the same God who created them that way. He likes variety. He wants all to get along together, teaching them love and unity. But people don't seem to get this mystery. God created this mystery to teach humans, and even the hosts of heaven- the angels, the elders, a deep, wise lesson. To showcase his power to create variations of the same living being, yet putting them all on a level-playing field, to showcase equality. After the fall of Adam and Eve, that was when the spirit (the knowledge of evil) of inequality and discord came to the world to corrupt mankind to see one race of people as better looking, more desirous, this and that, than the other race. It was not in the original plan of God for this mindset to be amongst humans. Sin brought it in.
Let me end it here by saying this, and I stand to be corrected by anyone who feels they have a better explanation to this subject, that GOD DIDN'T CREATE ADAM AND EVE OF THE SAME RACE AND EVEN SKIN TONE. He is a master of twists and turns. He is intentional. It is not climate or temperature variations, as claimed by some, that made some people to have a different skin than others. This would have been true if the black Hebrew Africans of the ancient world had always been inhabiting the continent of Africa from the beginning. But we know, according to historians that Africans migrated down to this continent filled with milk and honey (or plentiful natural resources, enough to be envied by the rest of the other citizens of other continents) after they were led to this continent by one of their forefathers called Abraham. Bible historians make this claim, which is plausible if you do some research on it.
No race of people previously inhabited Africa before our earliest ancestors came down here to inhabit it. It was a reserved (intentionally by the creator). God did this mystery. So I'm ruling out climatic factors from being a determinant of the different skin colors we see today. How come some animals that originally started off in Africa (or those only found here ) don't all have black furs or bodies? ) See that? That's God's design. Use the same logic to rationalize what i said. God created Adam and Eve too look different, and so did he create other races too, as time went on (as the descendants kept on bearing children) Im sire even they were also shocked, but they embraced the child thatay have had a different look than they (the parents). God was teaching them something. And also slowly populating the world with the different races, in line with his mysterious grand plan.
Nothing is by accident.

I'm done.
PS: before writing out all these things, I prayed quickly to the Holy Spirit to help give me understanding, so as not to mislead you with my own understanding. You and anyone else thag would take their time ti read through. So, i just believe God to an extent inspired all of the things i have written up there.
Like i said, i stand to be corrected if anyone thinks i am overly wrong in my claims. Also come with your reasons so we may learn better.

You should understand that at the time of the tower of babel, civilizations were already existing during that time, a whole lot of civilizations pre- date biblical records

kay29000:


I was with you till the bolded.

Yes it is very plausible as mentioned by ancient cultures, of coz there's no solid evidence, but i subscribe to the theory,

kingthreat:


Bullcrap. Indian is Indian. African is African

You are an ILLITERATE of history.

I could school you all day on this.

GreyLaw:


A lot of current evidence has destroyed that useless theory called Ecolution. Give monkey a billion more years they won't become humans. Evolution works in some sense such as adapting to the requirements of life, but not in things like moving from one species to another. Transmutation from one species to another never happens and will never happen.

the answer is in the book of Genesis.

Minsk24:

You should understand that at the time of the tower of babel, civilizations were already existing during that time, a whole lot of civilizations pre- date biblical records

Thanks for your observation...
Yes, and I agree with you on that.
But what I wrote was that the people of that time (Babel era) were all speaking the same language as we were told in the scriptures. I didn't say that there weren't other civilizations, or cities or nations.

There is something about the bible when it comes to making known records of timelines of civilizations. It detailed down what if felt was important and necessary for mankind to know.
It seems God didn't want us getting overly distracted and consumed by knowledge that add no spiritual significance to us. Like he says, we should be distracted by fables ans myths, but study his word to learn the ways of the Spirit.
So I can see why it makes sense for him not to record so many things.
Some even feel the ancient Mayans (if this too isn't a fable or myth invented by fallen angels, as some suggest) were asian looking, and very industrious, as well as civilized foe their own era. Some say they were semetic looking.

So there were other civilizations apart from Babylon, the question is if thwy all looked the same in appearance. I think they didn't. But they may have all spoke one universal language at the time.

75 years old is the youngest wow

arantess:
OP, have you not seen dark skinned Iraqis - from Basra especially?
They are not blacks

YES THEY ARE.

You people type this CRAZY NONSENSE about blacks not being blacks because you have been CONDITIONED by fake colonialist history to think that Africans are just a minor people who were just primitive mud hut dwellers in the bush.

THAT IS A FAKE HISTORY. IT IS A LIE.

AFRICANS pioneered world civilisation for THOUSANDS OF YEARS. They travelled everywhere. Settled everywhere.

You have no idea how much African history has been hidden from you.

Are you aware that black West Africans invaded Europe in the 7th century AD and ruled large parts of it for 800 years, till the 1500s?

Till today in Europe they hold annual festivals where people paint their faces black to commemorate the period they were ruled by the black Africans, who were known as the MOORS.

Go on Google Images and type ‘Moorish crests’.

You will see hundreds of European aristocrat family crests and coats of arms showing their royal black African progenitors.

Open the Bible and read Esther Chapter 1 verse 1. It helped me understand how we have black indians.

GYBABA:
Jeez, she's an Asian that's just dark skinned probably due to been exposed to harsh weather conditions or her genes are responsible. Don't you see dark skinned Indians when you watch Bollywood movies? These guys are mostly used as thugs, criminals, henchmen & stuff. Do blacks even have that hairstyle she has naturally? Nawa for you ooo

tollyboy5:

Black is not a race. Black is a description of color and she's black.

Black is a race.

Read the Bible book of Esther Chapter 1 verse 1.

Quintessence44:


SHE IS A BLACK WOMAN.

The first Indians were BLACK AFRICANS. In fact the ancient Greek scholar Herodotus, around the year 450 BC, referred to India as ''the other Ethiopia''.

Of course, 'Ethiopia' was the name the ancient Greeks gave to all Africa south of the Sahara.

The Africans, many (but not all) of whom were from the Horn of Africa, migrated to India on ships, and established Indian civilization, as well as the first empires of India 3,000 years ago.

They are now known as the Dravidians in India.

The Dravidians after a few thousand years of dominance were overran by Aryans from the north, which led to their current population constitution whereby the south of India is mostly black/brown while the north is lighter skin coloured, plus various shades in between caused by intermarriage and racial mixture.

Parizz:
they are not black. instead they are a figment of racial variation. can you say Nani is black?

why can't you call nani black? Is nani white ? Look when someone is called black it doesnt mean you have to be black like charcoal, some blacks are light skinned , some with curly hair, but still black

endy69:

Oga dey read na. Wikipedia and other sources plenty no be to cum for public dey display ignorance despite ppl trying to educate you, you still dey argue

jubrilELsudan:
INDEED YOU ARE VERY STUPID

I GUESS YOU HAVEN'T HEARD OF DARK SKINNED INDIANS

IF DEM BORN YOU WELL GO TO INDIA AND CALL A DARK SKINNED INDIAN A BLACK PERSON AND SEE IF YOU WILL CUM OUT ALIVE

"cum" means to release sperm or vaginal fluid from the private part.

It is different from "come" which means to go to a another place.

Af0nja:


Indians are racists o, she won't ever agree to being black. You can't impose your blackness on her. Next thing you'll say she's tinubuz mother

I am a historian.

I do not base my findings on what brainwashed people would make of them.

History and Truth do not care if a person has been conditioned to deny their blackness, and such a sentiment does not negate the truth of the findings.

Quintessence44:


I am a historian.

I do not base my findings on what brainwashed people would make of them.

History and Truth do not care if a person has been conditioned to deny their blackness, and such a sentiment does not negate the truth of the findings.

This requires scientific evidence and not historical fiction.

What exactly do you mean by black Black like black Americans?? Listen, black Americans are Africans , they share similar genetic relationship to Africans.

You can't call indians black, Most Indian groups descend from a mixture of two genetically divergent populations: Ancestral North Indians (ANI) related to Central Asians, Middle Easterners, Caucasians, and Europeans; and Ancestral South Indians (ASI) not closely related to groups outside the subcontinent.

There's no indian genetic relationship with Afro.

Because they're dark skinned doesn't mean they are black.

Where did you get your history degree again??