Dtruthspeaker:


Ok madman. It's your mouth and story.

O ye of little faith.

KnownUnknown:


O ye of little faith.

Actually I have no faith or anything in thee.

Dtruthspeaker:


Actually I have no faith or anything in thee.

Repent or else there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth on the dark side of the moon!!

GLHHub:


Mind you, I didn't say anything much to assert what I believe (even though I believe it).
So I'll probably not answer that question.

But my question for you: On what grounds do you believe that people have landed on the moon?

I hope you believe in video editing and CGI, so what makes you so sure that this moon landing isn't one of those?

this seems like an attempt to evade my question. And as you've rightfully said, you'll not be answering it.

following your logic, I'd advise against making statements you're not able to assert. statements like "natural disasters happen because of people's sin"... because then they become just claims, without a shred of evidence to back them up.

In regard to the moon landing, I have no desire to shift the topic of this current thread to that. If you're curious about it, you can carry out research, and/or open a separate thread where I'm sure several people here will be happy to engage with.

KnownUnknown:


Repent or else there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth on the dark side of the moon!!

We shall see that it is you who walls and eats his teeth.

GLHHub:


Keep this statement to yourself.
Atheists gave me enough reasons to doubt.
This is why I always tell you atheists to keep up with conspiracy theories, that's the only thing that will save you all, since you refuse to walk with a Saviour.
Learn every conspiracy, then sieve through and know what to accept with time.



Your response is aiming to start another discussion entirely... The authenticity of a moon landing (amongst many other lies).

By the way, let me trouble the waters further...
What exactly makes you to believe that enemies can't agree together in lies?
I mean, haven't you had to cover-up for your enemy back in secondary school days because telling a truth will blow both of your covers?

“The same knowledge and technology that allows you to use your cell phone is what made the moon landing possible” See how wise you sound?

You even believe that there's a planet called Mars?
We have a long way to go...

there's something i find genuinely funny about this sort of reasoning. And that is that the people making these statements like you completely exclude their respective religious texts when it comes to such criticism.

I don't think it's wrong to doubt anything. If there's any scientific detail you doubt, you are more than welcome to doubt, and search for the proof if you so desire.

But what I find extremely funny is that you don't apply this same logic to your bible. On what basis do you believe that any of the claims made in the book are actually true?

If you believe humans can lie about moon landings, what stops them from lying about the things you believe are written in your bible?

Dtruthspeaker:


We shall see that it is you who walls and eats his teeth.

Lol

Wilgrea7:


there's something i find genuinely funny about this sort of reasoning. And that is that the people making these statements like you completely exclude their respective religious texts when it comes to such criticism.

I don't think it's wrong to doubt anything. If there's any scientific detail you doubt, you are more than welcome to doubt, and search for the proof if you so desire.

Yh... At the rate I'm going, the evidences just keep bombarding me, I don't even search

But what I find extremely funny is that you don't apply this same logic to your bible. On what basis do you believe that any of the claims made in the book are actually true?

Haha, right.
I've prayed for myself before and gotten healed,
I've prayed for mom, for strangers, they got healed.
My family has prayed before and seen objects move right before my eyes.
Back in school, God had shown me what not to read in test, and I didn't bother myself further, and the question didn't appear in test.
Oh hold on, I've asked God to wake me up at a certain time, and I literally woke up to a loud voice calling my nickname...

Even if you somehow prove that the Bible isn't legit stuff and all that, I'm sorry but I have personal experiences to hold on to. Same with other true Christians.
So we read the lines of the books, searched for the God behind the book and eventually found Him, and we had our personal experiences...
So you wanna attack the book? Fine, but disprove our personal experiences too.
And yes there are people that don't have experiences amd they're still searching, I pray they find some.
They can question the Bible, but not me.

If you believe humans can lie about moon landings, what stops them from lying about the things you believe are written in your bible?

Ehm... This was exactly my point when I asked that question, but the other way round.

If humans are actually lying about the existence of a God. Why can't they lie against a moon landing?

If you believe the moon landing, then there's no excuse for you not to believe the existence of God.

KnownUnknown:


How did atheists make you doubt the moon landing?!

Believe me when I say I don't know where to start from.
Let me just say a little, some where able to spot and share certain parts from their official videos that contained fails... Such as:
• A cup falling abruptly in a 'zero-gravity' spacecraft
• A NASA scientist's computer screen showing another scientist in front of green screen performing some moves, which happened to synchronize with the same moves performed by that same scientist in an official shot-in-space video. (Basically a before and after video)

Other stuff like spacecrafts not being properly built to withstand radiations in space, but the NASA claimed that Armstrong actually flew to space in that aircraft or so. (For context, these harmful radiations were discovered later, and according to scientific proof, that rocket wouldn't have been able to withstand the radiations if it actually flew through)

Those are just a bit... It took many to convince me.

I’m not an atheist but where would they walk with a savior to? Are they in danger?!

I dunno, I guess if there's famine coming, our Saviour will warn us, who will warn them?

That would be waste of time.

Yh, try to be more knowledgeable at least, so you'll understand why people are saying certain things in a conversation, before jumping into the conversation to counter.

You brought it up and call it a lie.

Nope, someone mentioned it and I asked why he believes it.

You are right. There is no such thing as Mars. We live on a flat circular plane and the sky is held up by four pillars. This circular plane rests on the back of a turtle gliding through the expanse, which is made of invisible foam.

Yep! Absolutely!

GLHHub:


Mind you, I didn't say anything much to assert what I believe (even though I believe it
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You only believe what you lack knowledge on.

Wilgrea7:


this seems like an attempt to evade my question. And as you've rightfully said, you'll not be answering it.

following your logic, I'd advise against making statements you're not able to assert. statements like "natural disasters happen because of people's sin"... because then they become just claims, without a shred of evidence to back them up.

In regard to the moon landing, I have no desire to shift the topic of this current thread to that. If you're curious about it, you can carry out research, and/or open a separate thread where I'm sure several people here will be happy to engage with.

Okay.

But for the part of your question, I said I'll probably not answer it, but let me now answer.

Wilgrea7:


Earthquakes (a common natural disaster) also happens on the moon (called a moonquake).

Whose sin is responsible for that?

1. I don't believe anyone has actually been to the moon so I'm not sure how if earthquakes actually happen or not, on the moon.

2. I didn't say that every natural disaster must be caused by sin. Here's how I'll put it:
There's a punishment for every sin. A natural disaster may be the punishment. It may kill you or destroyed something you cherish.
Sometimes, the act of being in the wrong place and at the wrong time will make a person vulnerable to a disaster, not necessarily that the disaster happened because of the person.

3. Fun Fact: I even believe that humans in power can cause an earthquake.
Sorry but I believe many things

Maynman:

You only believe what you lack knowledge on.

“I didn't say anything much to assert what I believe (even though I believe it)” ≠ “I don't know anything much to assert what I believe (even though I believe it).”

The problem with you atheists is that you never understand what a person writes. OR You understand and play dumb. OR You just have to twist a person's words in order to make your point.

GLHHub:


“I didn't say anything much to assert what I believe (even though I believe it)” ≠ “I don't know anything to assert what I believe (even though I believe it).”

The problem with you atheists is that you never understand what person

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n writes. OR You understand and play.

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dumb. OR You just have to twist a person's words in order to make your point.

You believe what you lack knowledge on, Believer.

The problem with you theists is that you read stories in books with unknown authors and sprouts those jargons out thinking you saying something

Wilgrea7:


Earthquakes (a common natural disaster) also happens on the moon (called a moonquake).

Whose sin is responsible for that?

that must be sins of the moonspirits dwelling on the moon.

GLHHub:


Okay.

But for the part of your question, I said I'll probably not answer it, but let me now answer.

1. I don't believe anyone has actually been to the moon so I'm not sure how if earthquakes actually happen or not, on the moon.

I feel like its important to point out that landing humans on the moon and moonquakes are 2 very independent things. you don't need to land a human somewhere to detect quakes. Surprise, we've also detected quakes on mars.

2. I didn't say that every natural disaster must be caused by sin. Here's how I'll put it:
There's a punishment for every sin. A natural disaster may be the punishment. It may kill you or destroyed something you cherish.
Sometimes, the act of being in the wrong place and at the wrong time will make a person vulnerable to a disaster, not necessarily that the disaster happened because of the person.

So in that case how do you differentiate the natural disaster that's supposed to be a product of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, from the natural disaster that's brought about by sin? What classification method are you using here?

3. Fun Fact: I even believe that humans in power can cause an earthquake.
Sorry but I believe many things

GLHHub:

Yh... At the rate I'm going, the evidences just keep bombarding me, I don't even search

If you claim there are evidences "bombarding" you, then isn't this the case of simply trying to deny reality on your part?

Haha, right.
I've prayed for myself before and gotten healed,
I've prayed for mom, for strangers, they got healed.
My family has prayed before and seen objects move right before my eyes.
Back in school, God had shown me what not to read in test, and I didn't bother myself further, and the question didn't appear in test.
Oh hold on, I've asked God to wake me up at a certain time, and I literally woke up to a loud voice calling my nickname...

Even if you somehow prove that the Bible isn't legit stuff and all that, I'm sorry but I have personal experiences to hold on to. Same with other true Christians.
So we read the lines of the books, searched for the God behind the book and eventually found Him, and we had our personal experiences...
So you wanna attack the book? Fine, but disprove our personal experiences too.
And yes there are people that don't have experiences amd they're still searching, I pray they find some.
They can question the Bible, but not me.

Very interesting points raised here. But that doesn't answer my question. Not even slightly.

While I could go into the many flaws of your healing and praying and exams analogy, I'll permit it for the sake of this discussion.

So assuming they're true, what part of you praying to be woken up and waking up actually confirms the stories written in the bible?

Put simply, what part of your alarm request confirms that a red sea was parted, or that the sun stood still for 3 days?

If a muslim prays the same prayer and gets the same result (and I'm sure millions have), does that mean muhammad indeed split the moon in 2, and rode on a horse to heaven, and spoke with Jibril?

If a hindu experiences the same (and I'm sure millions similarly have), does that mean shiva and vishnu are indeed the gods of the universe rather than yahweh?

In what way does the arbitrary events you've described validate any of the claims made in the bible?

Ehm... This was exactly my point when I asked that question, but the other way round.

If humans are actually lying about the existence of a God. Why can't they lie against a moon landing?

If you believe the moon landing, then there's no excuse for you not to believe the existence of God.

Your reasoning here is also faulty. First of all, it tries to paint the situation as if people who accept scientific-backed information, like the moon landing, are doing so on nothing more than blind faith. Which is quite the opposite of what science-backed is.

There are several lines of strong evidence that suggest the moon landing could not have been faked. But that aside, let's assume for one second that we have reason to doubt EVERYTHING. Moon landings, birds, space, and of course, GOD.

So how do we then go about ascertaining information on what is real and what is not? At the end of the day, you don't just believe in A because you believe in B like you said earlier. Rather, you apply the necessary methods to determine the nature of reality. That's how you gain knowledge

Wilgrea7:


If you claim there are evidences "bombarding" you, then isn't this the case of simply trying to deny reality on your part?



Very interesting points raised here. But that doesn't answer my question. Not even slightly.

While I could go into the many flaws of your healing and praying and exams analogy, I'll permit it for the sake of this discussion.

So assuming they're true, what part of you praying to be woken up and waking up actually confirms the stories written in the bible?

Put simply, what part of your alarm request confirms that a red sea was parted, or that the sun stood still for 3 days?

If a muslim prays the same prayer and gets the same result (and I'm sure millions have), does that mean muhammad indeed split the moon in 2, and rode on a horse to heaven, and spoke with Jibril?

If a hindu experiences the same (and I'm sure millions similarly have), does that mean shiva and vishnu are indeed the gods of the universe rather than yahweh?

In what way does the arbitrary events you've described validate any of the claims made in the bible?




Your reasoning here is also faulty. First of all, it tries to paint the situation as if people who accept scientific-backed information, like the moon landing, are doing so on nothing more than blind faith. Which is quite the opposite of what science-backed is.

There are several lines of strong evidence that suggest the moon landing could not have been faked. But that aside, let's assume for one second that we have reason to doubt EVERYTHING. Moon landings, birds, space, and of course, GOD.

So how do we then go about ascertaining information on what is real and what is not? At the end of the day, you don't just believe in A because you believe in B like you said earlier. Rather, you apply the necessary methods to determine the nature of reality. That's how you gain knowledge

I don't know how you managed to reply me without actually reading what I wrote.

Read well, I think I've answered most of your questions sufficiently.

GLHHub:


I don't know how you managed to reply me without actually reading what I wrote.

Read well, I think I've answered most of your questions sufficiently.

that's my line

Wilgrea7:


I feel like its important to point out that landing humans on the moon and moonquakes are 2 very independent things. you don't need to land a human somewhere to detect quakes. Surprise, we've also detected quakes on mars.



So in that case how do you differentiate the natural disaster that's supposed to be a product of being in the wrong place at the wrong time, from the natural disaster that's brought about by sin? What classification method are you using here?

Just to be clear, I don't believe in Mars either.
How can they detect quakes if they didn't land there.

I don't know if you're a techy person... Just try and find out the kind of absurd tech that they claimed to use in the making of Voyager and Voyager 2... And the kind of computers that coordinated the moon landing and Voyager launches. We're looking at 32kb rom and 4kb ram... All that coordinated a manned mission, plus live streaming, 1st trial no error...
The fact that you only know one point of view, so did I. Learn the other points of view and judge based on extensive knowledge, not based on limited knowledge.
I've told you all to educate yourself with some 'conspiracy theories' before coming out to argue.

You can't tell me lemon is more sour than lime if you haven't tasted both.

PS: Being at the wrong place at the wrong time is a sin, God could have shown a person where to go and the person ends up choosing the go in another way.... You get destroyed in the other way you went, your fault.

By the way, are you trying to convince me to be an atheist? If yes, then cut it, its impossible.
Am I trying to convince you to be a theist? Well not in particular. So please stop disturbing me about my God on this thread. It's bulky already.
Open a new thread.
Same with your moon landing.

KnownUnknown:


Funny how your god and the devil created by the Catholic Church have the same probability of existence. Since they also have the same amount of evidence for their existence, the probability that both are “created” is 99.999999 percent.

God is consciousness..

does consciousness not exist?

22jumpstreet1:


God is consciousness..

does consciousness not exist?

Judging by what you wrote, words can be used indiscriminately. Therefore, God is water….

Does water not exist?
Can life exist without water?
Does water have enemies?

KnownUnknown:


Judging by what you wrote, words can be used indiscriminately. Therefore, God is water….

Does water not exist?
Can life exist without water?
Does water have enemies?

you are just a retard..

sorry to say...

shalom

22jumpstreet1:


you are just a retard..

sorry to say...

shalom

How am I a retard?
You said God is consciousness and I said God is Water, with support!!

Another fact showing God is Water and you are made in the image of Water is that approximately 60% of a human is water.