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honesttalk21:
I come I will peace? Pardon my not understanding this. Could you be clear?

Why do you ask so many questions and go on to dictate the mode of answer? Is it mcq or yes or no?

I asked you to number the responses to the questions so that we can be sure of which questions you have answered.

honesttalk21:
It is reported in Muslim
Amr b. Abu Sufyan reported:

Abu Huraira said to Ka'b al-Ahbar that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) had said: For every apostle there Is a (special) prayer by which he would pray (to his Lord). I, however, intend (if Allah so willed) that I would reserve my prayer for the intercession of my Ummah on the Day of Resurrection. Ka'b said to Abu Huraira: Did you hear this from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ)? Abu Huraira said: Yes.

Noting the way you Muslims reject your owh hadiths of your prophet, I I was expecting that Kab Al-Ahbar must have written up to 10% of the total hadiths streamed by both Muslim and Bukhari. Unfortunately, we can probably find just two hadiths out of the several thousands between Muslim and Bukhari.
Meaning that you probably singled out Kab Al-Ahbar because he's a Jew.
Secondly, It seems you modern day Muslims are more knowledgeable than Imam Muslim who included his hadith in his collection :

honesttalk21:
Was Kab not a well learnt Rabbi, was he not closely associated with the Sahaba particularly 2 Caliphs? Was Bukhari alive or born in the lifetime of Muhammad or the early Caliphs? What makes him so important? Does Bukhari not have contradictory hadith?

Go and rest. You are asked a question that probably requires a little research on your own but sadly your mentors have nothing for you to copy on this. Now you try to distribute your question to others.

Breaking news! We are not in the same team and I don't work for you. Display your expertise and tell what you know of the person you are likened to and show you are not like him.

You are so full of yourself!
So, non of you think I give a hoot about the scapegoat you have for the embarrassing hadiths from both Muslim and Bukhari and others?

Let me show you why I asked my questions
1. Quote me just two hadiths narrated by Kab al Ahbar in Al-Bukhari and two from Al-Muslim?
I was expecting that you will show me that almost 10% of the hadiths you consider as Daif or Maudu are from Kab` but you couldn't even get 4 hadiths between Bukhari and Muslim :
Meaning that your argument is extremely weak.

2. What is the relationship of Kab al Ahbar to prophet Muhammad that warranted him being believed by collectors like Muslim and Bukhari?
Kab of course had no relationship directly with Mohammed

Your argument was that Kab was a well learnt Rabbis who was closely associated with the Sahaba particularly 2 Caliphs.

3. What are the Evidences that Kab al Ahbar died as a Jew or Christian?
Here you kept quiet because if Kab died as a Muslim, then he wasn't forging Daif and Maudu hadiths to descredit Islam but like the rest of you, whatever he did was to promote Islam.

Did Kab die a Jew or a Christian?

4. When was Kab al Ahbar born and when did he become a Muslim?
When Kab was born and when he became a Muslim just tell us how far away from Mohammed and his companions he was.

5. There had been thousands of Arab Muslims who were companions of your prophet, who related your hadiths. Yet just one or two Jewish converts to Islam (probably during the time of Abu Bakr) infiltrated Islam and out of almost 300,000 unique Sahih hadiths, they composed more than 90% of them as fake, Daif and half truth hadiths AND the other Muslims especially people like Bukhari, Muslim etc were oblivious of him?
How!?
This you have not been able to explain.
One person, but several hundred or even thousands of Daif and Maudu hadiths by just one person!?
You need a lot of evidence to show how he had so much an influence.


Just from your response to my questions, I have shown you that majority of the hadiths you reject (from Bukhari and Muslim) don't even remotely come from Kab al-Ahbar.
Anyone who listens to you would have assumed that Kab was one who corrupted your hadiths unfortunately, I your strongest argument would have been that he died as a Jew or as a Christian.



Finally,
I hope you will use the same yardstick to judge Hafs from whose Recitation you took your Qur'an, the Truth is that you Muslims say he is a Liar and a Dishonest thief! In fact, I you are afraid of taking any hadith from him: how much more your Qur'an.

I appreciate your response. Who knows the nairaland technology for bans in full detail.
Your letters are of very large font size.

You rightly wrote in agreement with the concept of words having different meanings dependent upon context of use. It seems you are more inclined to the negative verb or word forms which you will agree does not eliminate a positive meaning. Varied meanings of the noun form of ماكِر (Makir) are presented.

You stated yesterday that Allah was satan which indeed is extremely far from the truth however your Bible seems to clearly indicate an equivalence of the two.

In 2 Sam 24:1 it is written that the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, Go and take a census of Israel and Judah

Yet in 1 Chron 20:1 it reads Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

Was it Satan or God that incited David and are they alter ego to each other?

FxMasterz:
I actually replied you yesterday but bots banned me. I don't actually know why. I screenshot the post after I was banned. Please read my reply in the screenshots below:

You see a fundamental flaw in asking many questions at the same time?

First do you know the honorific name of Kab al Abhar? (His Kunya)

Buhari did his writing based on sayings of others does not specifically mean these people too wrote or does it? You reference to Muslim classified amongst the 6 books of hadith but cannot point where Muhammad s.a.w says muslims should refer to this or Allah commands this in the Quran. The Quran actually discourages this if not forbids.

No, Kab is an Arabian jew. His close association to Umar and Uthman as an adviser places him in a position of influence doesn't it?

How sure are you is not in the chain of narrators of other hadith? Just because I quoted one, you cannot find others? 😉

However someone dies does not erase his actions when alive. Kab was alive during the Jahiliyah and early Islam after Muhammad period.

You are so obsessed witb the Hafs Quran like others are not available or there are critical differences in their meanings which negate one another? Well it is no where near the variations within your singular Bible of numerous authors.

TenQ:
I asked you to number the responses to the questions so that we can be sure of which questions you have answered.



Noting the way you Muslims reject your owh hadiths of your prophet, I I was expecting that Kab Al-Ahbar must have written up to 10% of the total hadiths streamed by both Muslim and Bukhari. Unfortunately, we can probably find just two hadiths out of the several thousands between Muslim and Bukhari.
Meaning that you probably singled out Kab Al-Ahbar because he's a Jew.
Secondly, It seems you modern day Muslims are more knowledgeable than Imam Muslim who included his hadith in his collection :




You are so full of yourself!
So, non of you think I give a hoot about the scapegoat you have for the embarrassing hadiths from both Muslim and Bukhari and others?

Let me show you why I asked my questions
1. Quote me just two hadiths narrated by Kab al Ahbar in Al-Bukhari and two from Al-Muslim?
I was expecting that you will show me that almost 10% of the hadiths you consider as Daif or Maudu are from Kab` but you couldn't even get 4 hadiths between Bukhari and Muslim :
Meaning that your argument is extremely weak.

2. What is the relationship of Kab al Ahbar to prophet Muhammad that warranted him being believed by collectors like Muslim and Bukhari?
Kab of course had no relationship directly with Mohammed

Your argument was that Kab was a well learnt Rabbis who was closely associated with the Sahaba particularly 2 Caliphs.

3. What are the Evidences that Kab al Ahbar died as a Jew or Christian?
Here you kept quiet because if Kab died as a Muslim, then he wasn't forging Daif and Maudu hadiths to descredit Islam but like the rest of you, whatever he did was to promote Islam.

Did Kab die a Jew or a Christian?

4. When was Kab al Ahbar born and when did he become a Muslim?
When Kab was born and when he became a Muslim just tell us how far away from Mohammed and his companions he was.

5. There had been thousands of Arab Muslims who were companions of your prophet, who related your hadiths. Yet just one or two Jewish converts to Islam (probably during the time of Abu Bakr) infiltrated Islam and out of almost 300,000 unique Sahih hadiths, they composed more than 90% of them as fake, Daif and half truth hadiths AND the other Muslims especially people like Bukhari, Muslim etc were oblivious of him?
How!?
This you have not been able to explain.
One person, but several hundred or even thousands of Daif and Maudu hadiths by just one person!?
You need a lot of evidence to show how he had so much an influence.


Just from your response to my questions, I have shown you that majority of the hadiths you reject (from Bukhari and Muslim) don't even remotely come from Kab al-Ahbar.
Anyone who listens to you would have assumed that Kab was one who corrupted your hadiths unfortunately, I your strongest argument would have been that he died as a Jew or as a Christian.



Finally,
I hope you will use the same yardstick to judge Hafs from whose Recitation you took your Qur'an, the Truth is that you Muslims say he is a Liar and a Dishonest thief! In fact, I you are afraid of taking any hadith from him: how much more your Qur'an.

Explore2xmore:
I appreciate your response. Who knows the nairaland technology for bans in full detail.
Your letters are of very large font size.

You rightly wrote in agreement with the concept of words having different meanings dependent upon context of use. It seems you are more inclined to the negative verb or word forms which you will agree does not eliminate a positive meaning. Varied meanings of the noun form of ماكِر (Makir) are presented.

You stated yesterday that Allah was satan which indeed is extremely far from the truth however your Bible seems to clearly indicate an equivalence of the two.

In 2 Sam 24:1 it is written that the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and he incited David against them, saying, Go and take a census of Israel and Judah

Yet in 1 Chron 20:1 it reads Then Satan rose up against Israel and incited David to take a census of Israel.

Was it Satan or God that incited David and are they alter ego to each other?

I'l answer the biblical question you raised but I wouldn't want to digress on the topic being discussed.

I never said Allah was Satan. I only showed you a video that demonstrates how words were wrongly translated in the Quran. The content of that video wasn't my focus.

Now, let's take the word makir as an example. You can't give it a meaning it never has just because of the context in which it is used in the Quran. It can't have a different meaning in the Quran other than the meanings for which it is already know in the Arabic Dictionary. See it's meaning in the screenshot below.

Now, regarding the Bible verses you raised, please understand that the Old Testament was never intended as a religious book. It was written only as a book to record Israel's history as well as document the activities and gemology of Israelites, their kings and Prophets. They were later adopted as religious books because of the spiritual insights they give on how to walk with God. The main religious books are the 5 books of Moses also called the Torah.

Now, there are two recorders of same events in the verses you referenced. These two people wrote according to their understanding of what God is. In Hebrew theology, it is generally believed that both good and evil come from God. The writer who holds this ideology wrote that God did move David to number Israel. The other writer who holds a different ideology, wrote that Satan moved David to number Israel. So, the verses don't express God as being Satan or vice versa. The Bible was not written verbatim by God. God moved people to write, and while they did so, God did not take their understanding from them. That's why the Spirit of God dwells in us to give us the true message and gems of scripture. The letters of the Bible kill, it is the Spirit that gives life.

The above explanations do not hold for the Quran because the Quran claims to be the verbatim word of God.

honesttalk21:
You see a fundamental flaw in asking many questions at the same time?

First do you know the honorific name of Kab al Abhar? (His Kunya)

Questions reveal facts under every assertion. I This is the reason why in the court of law, both parties are subjected to questioning to find out who is saying the truth.

honesttalk21:
Buhari did his writing based on sayings of others does not specifically mean these people too wrote or does it? You reference to Muslim classified amongst the 6 books of hadith but cannot point where Muhammad s.a.w says muslims should refer to this or Allah commands this in the Quran. The Quran actually discourages this if not forbids.

No, Kab is an Arabian jew. His close association to Umar and Uthman as an adviser places him in a position of influence doesn't it?

How sure are you is not in the chain of narrators of other hadith? Just because I quoted one, you cannot find others? 😉

I actually went through your hadiths.
Bukhari has zero hadiths from Kab
and Muslim had just two hadiths.

Meaning that your noise about Kab is actually a storm in a teacup... very inconsequential!

Secondly,
There are several things Muslims practice that are only from the hadiths and not in the sunah. Do you want to say that no single hadith or sunna abrogate tge Qur'an?

honesttalk21:
However someone dies does not erase his actions when alive. Kab was alive during the Jahiliyah and early Islam after Muhammad period.

Kab died as a Muslim.
This weakens your argument about him deliberately corrupting the hadiths. Whatever he did was for the promotion of Islam

honesttalk21:
You are so obsessed witb the Hafs Quran like others are not available or there are critical differences in their meanings which negate one another? Well it is no where near the variations within your singular Bible of numerous authors.

Of course, if you reject Kab, shouldn't you also reject Hafs!?
More damaging things were said about Hafs and his father than Kab himself.


What percentage estimate of the total hadith in circulation is attributed to Kab?


My Advice :
Instead of looking for who to blame for the damage and embarrassment your hadiths is causing you, I why don't you follow where the evidence is leading you?

Your earlier reply quoted and point of interest bolded. Does Satan have the ability to create? This ability is only Allah's (the almighty). Saying another has this ability is equating him to almighty God.

FxMasterz:
My friend, Jesus came before Mohammed. He was prophesied of God before His arrival. He accomplished everything that was Prophesied about Him, including the exchange of His life for the redemption of the world. The greatest blow Jesus dealt Satan was His death on the cross. His death on the cross permitted Him to operate against Satan in the spirit realm as a man and recover man's lost glory for man.

This death, which is Christ's greatest accomplishment and Satan's greatest woe is what Satan created Islam to deny. Remove the death of Christ from everything in His existence, and His coming to the world immediately becomes useless. It's Christ's death that is the Hallmark of Christianity. That is the seal of salvation. It is the emblem of Satan's eternal defeat.


To conceal his defeat and keep men in perpetual ignorance, he created Islam to deny that Christ died and resurrected. Meanwhile, the Jesus portrayed in the Quran is a false Jesus. That Jesus isn't the Jesus of the Bible. The Jesus of the Bible came into the world through the Virgin birth purposely to make His soul an offering for sins. He actually came here as "the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world."

Tell me why Islam denies the same death that is the core message of salvation. Tell me why Islam denies the death of Christ which is the greatest blow satan suffered in all of eternity. The only one who can deny such event is that Satan who was most affected by it, and wants to keep people ignorant regarding the defeat he suffered on the cross. This truth has been spreading around the world for 600yrs before Satan created Islam to deny this truth regarding Satan:s defeat. You can choose what to believe but I know that the Original always appears before a counterfeit is created. Islam cannot be original because it was created as a counterfeit to counter Christianity. And, you'll soon see the reason why. The most important counter Satan needs is to deny the death and the resurrection of Christ because therein lies Satan's defeat. If Christ didn't die for sins, the Virgin birth is Useless. Thankfully, your Quran does not deny the virgin birth, but it denies the purpose of it. Why? Islam is claiming that Jesus indeed came into the world as promised but did not fulfil the purpose for which He was born.

If such an event as the death and resurrection of Christ is being denied 600yrs after it happened, now, you can easily decipher who authored the Quran and the purpose for which Islam was invented.

FxMasterz:
I'l answer the biblical question you raised but I wouldn't want to digress on the topic being discussed.

I never said Allah was Satan. I only showed you a video that demonstrates how words were wrongly translated in the Quran. The content of that video wasn't my focus.

Now, let's take the word makir as an example. You can't give it a meaning it never has just because of the context in which it is used in the Quran. It can't have a different meaning in the Quran other than the meanings for which it is already know in the Arabic Dictionary. See it's meaning in the screenshot below.

Now, regarding the Bible verses you raised, please understand that the Old Testament was never intended as a religious book. It was written only as a book to record Israel's history as well as document the activities and gemology of Israelites, their kings and Prophets. They were later adopted as religious books because of the spiritual insights they give on how to walk with God. The main religious books are the 5 books of Moses also called the Torah.

Now, there are two recorders of same events in the verses you referenced. These two people wrote according to their understanding of what God is. In Hebrew theology, it is generally believed that both good and evil come from God. The writer who holds this ideology wrote that God did move David to number Israel. The other writer who holds a different ideology, wrote that Satan moved David to number Israel. So, the verses don't express God as being Satan or vice versa. The Bible was not written verbatim by God. God moved people to write, and while they did so, God did not take their understanding from them. That's why the Spirit of God dwells in us to give us the true message and gems of scripture. The letters of the Bible kill, it is the Spirit that gives life.

The above explanations do not hold for the Quran because the Quran claims to be the verbatim word of God.

Explore2xmore:
Your earlier reply quoted and point of interest bolded. Does Satan have the ability to create? This ability is only Allah's (the almighty). Saying another has this ability is equating him to almighty God.

Only God can create life. Humans, angels and Satan can create organizations, designs, fashions, weapons even new terminologies, technologies, religions, etc.

What we can't do is that we cannot create life. Only God can create life.

Explore2xmore:
Your earlier reply quoted and point of interest bolded. Does Satan have the ability to create? This ability is only Allah's (the almighty). Saying another has this ability is equating him to almighty God.

Only the Messiah creates LIFE but by the permission of Allah! LOL!

I can fly a plane too, but but only by the permission of the FAA!? Does it make sense to you?


Why is it that of all humans, I only the Messiah can create? Creation of life is the attribute of God alone!



Qur'an 3:49
And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allāh. And I cure the blind [from birth] and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allāh. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.


Qur'an 5:110
[The Day] when Allāh will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel] and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind [from birth] and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

Did the Messiah create a hunan being? Was the bird creation not a miracle to convince of the power of the almighty?
If the Messiah is so powerful how come he knows not of the exact date of the hour?

Focus Tenq. Where are the hadiths of Kab al Abhar? Perhaps you can emphasise the ones fabricated. Hope to read from you in the late evening.

TenQ:
Only the Messiah creates LIFE but by the permission of Allah! LOL!

I can fly a plane too, but but only by the permission of the FAA!? Does it make sense to you?


Why is it that of all humans, I only the Messiah can create? Creation of life is the attribute of God alone!



Qur'an 3:49
And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allāh. And I cure the blind [from birth] and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allāh. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers.


Qur'an 5:110
[The Day] when Allāh will say, "O Jesus, Son of Mary, remember My favor upon you and upon your mother when I supported you with the Pure Spirit [i.e., the angel Gabriel] and you spoke to the people in the cradle and in maturity; and [remember] when I taught you writing and wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel; and when you designed from clay [what was] like the form of a bird with My permission, then you breathed into it, and it became a bird with My permission; and you healed the blind [from birth] and the leper with My permission; and when you brought forth the dead with My permission; and when I restrained the Children of Israel from [killing] you when you came to them with clear proofs and those who disbelieved among them said, "This is not but obvious magic."

Interesting view. However The Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.” (Daniel 4:17).
Or you say this is a saying of old testatment.

Hope Tenq reads that only God can create life and understand. Jesus says in John 5:19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. Also John 14:31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

FxMasterz:
Only God can create life. Humans, angels and Satan can create organizations, designs, fashions, weapons even new terminologies, technologies, religions, etc.

What we can't do is that we cannot create life. Only God can create life.

Explore2xmore:
Did the Messiah create a hunan being? Was the bird creation not a miracle to convince of the power of the almighty?
If the Messiah is so powerful how come he knows not of the exact date of the hour?

It seems you don't read the Qur'an.
Jesus said:
I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird,
then
I breathe into it and it becomes a bird
And
I cure the blind [from birth] and the leper,
and
I give life to the dead -
And
I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses.

Who is the one DOING these things according to your Qur'an?

Do people need to be convinced that God has power by MAN doing only things God should be able to do?

Explore2xmore:
Focus Tenq. Where are the hadiths of Kab al Abhar? Perhaps you can emphasise the ones fabricated. Hope to read from you in the late evening.

Kab al-Ahbar is a Muslim and he died a Muslim, why ask me about him. He is related to you and not me. Is Kab al-Ahbar a Christian?

On a more serious note:
I searched for his hadiths and I discover that he has zero hadith mentioned by Bukhari and just two from Muslim.
But you talk as if he corrupted more than half of your hadiths.
Solve your hadith causing embarrassment problems by yourself or are you employing me to help you do so?

Why is it that of all humans, I only the Messiah can create? Creation of life is the attribute of God alone!

Explore2xmore:
Interesting view. However The Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.” (Daniel 4:17).
Or you say this is a saying of old testatment.

Hope Tenq reads that only God can create life and understand. Jesus says in John 5:19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. Also John 14:31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

I agree, I Only God can create life like the Messiah created life in the presence of men.

Jesus said:
I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird,
then
I breathe into it and it becomes a bird

According to Islam, how did God create Adam?

step 1: He took clay and molded a figure of Adam
Step 2: He breathe into the image he has fashioned
Step 3: The image came alive

Tell me just one thing Allah did that Jesus did not do in creation of life?

Impressive display replying before evening.
The Bible and Quran refer to moulding a bird figure and bringing this to life.
Why isn't a human moulded and brought to life? Does this not show a limitation?

I ask you about him as you often say you know more of Islam than me to prove my lack of understanding or the scholars. Going as far as to abuse the honoured prophet of Islam and Allah the creator and sustainer of all.
I ask about him because of his position in relation to hadith which you are quick to bring up in support of your misguided untrue claims.

You search for hadith in Buhari and Muslim but do not strictly refer to hadith from them in your futile mission. Are you sure you have gone through all the narrators in the hadith of these two?

Are they the only books of hadith. At best they are 2 of 6 books recognised but still there are other hadith books or if you prefer look in the seerah.

Did Jesus understand the language of other animals like Solomon? Did he reassemble and liberate the Israelites like Moses yet all his apostles forsake him after his arrest and were still persecuted after his disappearance?

Ask yourself if your focus on Jesus beclouds you from the real God and truth of this?

Still waiting for even the Hadith of Kab al Abhar that were rejected if Buhari collected only authentic hadith. P.S also share the hadith in Buhari and Muslim that talks about healing powers of Muhammad's pbuh pee.

Still some time before evening.

TenQ:
It seems you don't read the Qur'an.
Jesus said:
I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird,
then
I breathe into it and it becomes a bird
And
I cure the blind [from birth] and the leper,
and
I give life to the dead -
And
I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses.

Who is the one DOING these things according to your Qur'an?

Do people need to be convinced that God has power by MAN doing only things God should be able to do?



Kab al-Ahbar is a Muslim and he died a Muslim, why ask me about him. He is related to you and not me. Is Kab al-Ahbar a Christian?

On a more serious note:
I searched for his hadiths and I discover that he has zero hadith mentioned by Bukhari and just two from Muslim.
But you talk as if he corrupted more than half of your hadiths.
Solve your hadith causing embarrassment problems by yourself or are you employing me to help you do so?

Why is it that of all humans, I only the Messiah can create? Creation of life is the attribute of God alone!

TenQ:
Why is it that Muslims rarely ever answer any direct questions?

Again :
1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?

2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?

That last answer will only be understood by the wise!
You should have been able to Unlock it as you get holy spirit but....

Allah just destined you to be doing all you've been doing. There are many wooden piece in my house and no one can blame me for treating them differently.

The way I treat the wooden chair is not the way I treat the table. The firewood is also treated differently from the kitchen cabinet! But all of them are wooden in nature.

So Allah guides whoever He wills to true guidance!

You will note that the two questions has to do with ME TenQ!

AntiChristian:
That last answer will only be understood by the wise!
You should have been able to Unlock it as you get holy spirit but....

Allah just destined you to be doing all you've been doing. There are many wooden piece in my house and no one can blame me for treating them differently.

The way I treat the wooden chair is not the way I treat the table. The firewood is also treated differently from the kitchen cabinet! But all of them are wooden in nature.

So Allah guides whoever He wills to true guidance!

In other words

1. Can you explain how Allah has destined me to do what I am doing on Nairaland?

2. If I am doing the will of Allah, the how do you come to accuse me of wrong/error?

TenQ is doing the will of Allah on Nairaland exposing the deceptions of Islam. Is it my fault? is it!?

Since I am doing the will of Allah, the Am I doing wrong?

Explore2xmore:
Impressive display replying before evening.
The Bible and Quran refer to moulding a bird figure and bringing this to life.
Why isn't a human moulded and brought to life? Does this not show a limitation?

1. The Bible never said that Jesus molded a bird and brought it to life. The writers of the gospel probably forgot to include it as one of the miracles of Jesus
2. The Bible says Jesus created everything seen and unseen.
3. You will need to first ask Allah why after Adam and Eve, he never created any other human being: then ask why Jesus Didn't create a human being.

You seem not to know that molding a figure into any form is the easy part, giving it life is the difficult one. Jesus did both.

Explore2xmore:
I ask you about him as you often say you know more of Islam than me to prove my lack of understanding or the scholars. Going as far as to abuse the honoured prophet of Islam and Allah the creator and sustainer of all.
I ask about him because of his position in relation to hadith which you are quick to bring up in support of your misguided untrue claims.

You search for hadith in Buhari and Muslim but do not strictly refer to hadith from them in your futile mission. Are you sure you have gone through all the narrators in the hadith of these two?

Are they the only books of hadith. At best they are 2 of 6 books recognised but still there are other hadith books or if you prefer look in the seerah.

The way you blame your Jewish scapegoat Kab al-Ahbar, one would think that all your Daif and Maudu hadiths are from him. I was surprised to find out that neither Bukhari nor Muslim quoted him extensively.
Kab al-Ahbar unfortunately, he died as a Muslim which weakens your position.

Too bad sir, it seems the majority of Muslims are confirmed liars else, there is no need to begin to grade hadiths and be cherry-picking as you do.

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Did Jesus understand the language of other animals like Solomon?

You and your prophet don't even know when Jewish Midrash fables entered the Qur'an and Allah never knew that the story wasn't part of the scriptures. SMH!

Children's bed time stories entered the Qur'an!?

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Did he reassemble and liberate the Israelites like Moses yet all his apostles forsake him after his arrest and were still persecuted after his disappearance?

Ask yourself if your focus on Jesus beclouds you from the real God and truth of this?

Mat 1:21:
"And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall [i]save his people from their sins."[/i]
Of course, He is coming back again for the harvest of His own

John 3:15-17:
"That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
So, non of just as Moses saved the physical Israel to their destination-Israel, Jesus is saving His own people to their destination - Paradise.


There is a question I've been asking Muslims for ages now to no avail.

Why was the Messiah in the world with his outstanding nature?
Do you know?

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Still waiting for even the Hadith of Kab al Abhar that were rejected if Buhari collected only authentic hadith. P.S also share the hadith in Buhari and Muslim that talks about healing powers of Muhammad's pbuh pee.

Still some time before evening.

Kab al-Ahbar is a Muslim like you, I deal with him.
What is the average percentage estimate of hadiths related by Kab al-Ahbar?

TenQ:
1. The Bible never said that Jesus molded a bird and brought it to life. The writers of the gospel probably forgot to include it as one of the miracles of Jesus
2. The Bible says Jesus created everything seen and unseen.
3. You will need to first ask Allah why after Adam and Eve, he never created any other human being: then ask why Jesus Didn't create a human being.

You seem not to know that molding a figure into any form is the easy part, giving it life is the difficult one. Jesus did both.


The way you blame your Jewish scapegoat Kab al-Ahbar, one would think that all your Daif and Maudu hadiths are from him. I was surprised to find out that neither Bukhari nor Muslim quoted him extensively.
Kab al-Ahbar unfortunately, he died as a Muslim which weakens your position.

Too bad sir, it seems the majority of Muslims are confirmed liars else, there is no need to begin to grade hadiths and be cherry-picking as you do.



You and your prophet don't even know when Jewish Midrash fables entered the Qur'an and Allah never knew that the story wasn't part of the scriptures. SMH!

Children's bed time stories entered the Qur'an!?



Mat 1:21:
"And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call his name JESUS: for he shall [i]save his people from their sins."[/i]
Of course, He is coming back again for the harvest of His own

John 3:15-17:
"That whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
So, non of just as Moses saved the physical Israel to their destination-Israel, Jesus is saving His own people to their destination - Paradise.


There is a question I've been asking Muslims for ages now to no avail.

Why was the Messiah in the world with his outstanding nature?
Do you know?




Kab al-Ahbar is a Muslim like you, I deal with him.
What is the average percentage estimate of hadiths related by Kab al-Ahbar?

Still unable to answer?

Are Buhari and Muslim the only books of hadith?

Still waiting for even the Hadith of Kab al Abhar that were rejected? Or you cannot find any of his sayings at all?

If Buhari collected only authentic hadith where is the hadith in Buhari that talks about healing powers of Muhammad's pbuh pee?

You cannot answer these directly?

On Jesus creating everything you are off and the Bible literature is strange that the almighty God needs to create the world through something else. We will discuss these perhaps later but on the primary subject lets finish first.

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Still unable to answer?

Are Buhari and Muslim the only books of hadith?

Still waiting for even the Hadith of Kab al Abhar that were rejected? Or you cannot find any of his sayings at all?

If Buhari collected only authentic hadith where is the hadith in Buhari that talks about healing powers of Muhammad's pbuh pee?

You cannot answer these directly?

Do you believe ALL hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari?
I am sure, but you will say no!
Then, tell us if Kab al-Ahbar was the one who fabricated the hadiths you reject!

You forget that your argument was that Kab al-Ahbar inserted daif and corrupt hadiths into your hadiths. Now we can't find them in Bukhari and Muslim YET to you still reject some hadiths from them. Who are you fooling?

Are you affirming that Bukhari and Muslim collected only authentic hadiths?
Since several hadiths are not common amongst hadith collectors, your question about Mohammed's urine is irrelevant.


How did Jewish Chidren bedtime story enter the Qur'an as scripture?
Solomon's flying carpet!
Ants talking to themselves about Solomon!
Solomon's army etc
How would you ask me about hadiths of Kab al-Ahbar that were rejected?
Am I a Muslim?

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On Jesus creating everything you are off and the Bible literature is strange that the almighty God needs to create the world through something else. We will discuss these perhaps later but on the primary subject lets finish first.

See how you twist language like shaitan!
SMH!
That God needs to create the world through something else
No wonder, non of you Muslims have been able to explain how Jesus is
the Word of/from Allah
the Spirit of/from Allah
a Prophet of Allah?

No wonder you don't understand that Jibril is a spirit and yet became a perfect man.
You don't even know what a spirit is!
Do you!?


Please when you can answer my questions convincingly on these, I then I will consider you ready for knowledge.

TenQ:
Do you believe ALL hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari?
I am sure, but you will say no!
Then, tell us if Kab al-Ahbar was the one who fabricated the hadiths you reject!

You forget that your argument was that Kab al-Ahbar inserted daif and corrupt hadiths into your hadiths. Now we can't find them in Bukhari and Muslim YET to you still reject some hadiths from them. Who are you fooling?

Are you affirming that Bukhari and Muslim collected only authentic hadiths?
Since several hadiths are not common amongst hadith collectors, your question about Mohammed's urine is irrelevant.


How did Jewish Chidren bedtime story enter the Qur'an as scripture?
Solomon's flying carpet!
Ants talking to themselves about Solomon!
Solomon's army etc
How would you ask me about hadiths of Kab al-Ahbar that were rejected?
Am I a Muslim?




See how you twist language like shaitan!
SMH!
That God needs to create the world through something else
No wonder, non of you Muslims have been able to explain how Jesus is
the Word of/from Allah
the Spirit of/from Allah
a Prophet of Allah?

No wonder you don't understand that Jibril is a spirit and yet became a perfect man.
You don't even know what a spirit is!
Do you!?


Please when you can answer my questions convincingly on these, I then I will consider you ready for knowledge.

Why are you grasping at the air?
You have used Buhari and Muslim as a yardstick? I ask which of Bukhari hadith has Kab al abhar in its chain? Which of the 600,000 or 300,000 you say that were collected and probably rejected has al abhar in it? You cannot produce?

Based on your Buhari yardstick I ask of the one that has a report on the medicinal use of the prophet's pee? Can't you produce it?

Produce this first before we go into the story telling or not of Jewish writing on a man who himself was a Jew or was Jesus not a Jew?

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Interesting view. However The Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will.” (Daniel 4:17).
Or you say this is a saying of old testatment.

Hope Tenq reads that only God can create life and understand. Jesus says in John 5:19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. Also John 14:31but so that the world may know that I love the Father, I do exactly as the Father commanded Me. Get up, let us go from here.

The scriptures you're quiting don't correlate

God is a Creator. He gave Humans, angels and Satan a sub-creator ability. For instance, a man created Nairaland. Or was it God that created Nairaland? Satan created Islam. Not God, and I have shown you the main purpose for which he did that.

Satan is an intelligent being with whims and caprices. He has created many religions in order to confuse human beings regarding the true God. His major purpose on Earth is to take as many people as possible to hell, and to achieve that, he must work deceptively to make men reject Jesus the Saviour's sacrificial offering for their souls, or to make them believe He never died for their salvation.

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Why are you grasping at the air?
You have used Buhari and Muslim as a yardstick? I ask which of Bukhari hadith has Kab al abhar in its chain? Which of the 600,000 or 300,000 you say that were collected and probably rejected has al abhar in it? You cannot produce?

Based on your Buhari yardstick I ask of the one that has a report on the medicinal use of the prophet's pee? Can't you produce it?

Produce this first before we go into the story telling or not of Jewish writing on a man who himself was a Jew or was Jesus not a Jew?

Are hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari comprehensive collections?

Yes or No!
If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. If not, I we will only find urine of carmels inside. LOL

What did your prophet command you to do with camel urine in Bukhari and Muslim?

On a serious note:
You were the one who introduced Kab al-Ahbar to the chat as I don't know him. You are the one who should bring evidence of his connection with me.

You are the one who REJECT you own hadiths not me. One of your excuse was that Kab al-Ahbar was a major source of fake Hadiths in your compilations.

Now, According I check through and I saw that your most rever hadith compilation by Bukhari and Muslim hardly mentioned hadiths from him.

How is that my problem?
It is your problem : solve it!

TenQ:
Are hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari comprehensive collections?

Yes or No!
If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. If not, I we will only find urine of carmels inside. LOL

What did your prophet command you to do with camel urine in Bukhari and Muslim?

On a serious note:
You were the one who introduced Kab al-Ahbar to the chat as I don't know him. You are the one who should bring evidence of his connection with me.

You are the one who REJECT you own hadiths not me. One of your excuse was that Kab al-Ahbar was a major source of fake Hadiths in your compilations.

Now, According I check through and I saw that your most rever hadith compilation by Bukhari and Muslim hardly mentioned hadiths from him.

How is that my problem?
It is your problem : solve it!

Now you modify your argument to how comprehensive they are. Why did you emphasise on them in the first place?

You claim you don't know Kab al abhar but mentioned one or two jews that became muslim. Also their influence on Abu Hurayrah etc. Are you bothered about saying all you know?

Stop diverting and answer appropriately

We are then free to conclude to not take Tenq seriously as his sources are not comprehensive in their hearsay reports.

Point to note is the hearsay status.

Tenq is simply a hearsay specialist and spreader

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We are then free to conclude to not take Tenq seriously as his sources are not comprehensive in their hearsay reports.

Point to note is the hearsay status.

Tenq is simply a hearsay specialist and spreader

Meanwhile, you're unable to prove beyond reasonable doubt that TenQ is a hearsay speaker. We have no reason to take you seriously.

FxMasterz:
Meanwhile, you're unable to prove beyond reasonable doubt that TenQ is a hearsay speaker. We have no reason to take you seriously.

Fortunately Tenq himself says what he uses in arguments are not comprehensive

TenQ:
Are hadiths from Muslim and Bukhari comprehensive collections?

Yes or No!
[i]If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. If not, I we will only find urine of carmels inside. LOL

If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. He cannot find this there yet he carries one saying from wherever to prove a false point.

He ignores a clear statement in Buhari that everything outside the Quran is invalid.

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Fortunately Tenq himself says what he uses in arguments are not comprehensive

It only means your religious books are not comprehensive if you unwittingly accept that position. He can only use what your religion presents to make his points.

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Now you modify your argument to how comprehensive they are. Why did you emphasise on them in the first place?

You claim you don't know Kab al abhar but mentioned one or two jews that became muslim. Also their influence on Abu Hurayrah etc. Are you bothered about saying all you know?

Stop diverting and answer appropriately

Me bothered!?
Over what!?
Your hadiths!?
Of course you know the answer!


You don't even trust the hadith compilations by both Bukhari and Muslim, so what's my business with Kab al-Ahbar who you claim he gives false hadiths.

Did Ka'b al-Ahbar die as a Muslim or Jew?

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We are then free to conclude to not take Tenq seriously as his sources are not comprehensive in their hearsay reports.

Point to note is the hearsay status.

Tenq is simply a hearsay specialist and spreader

Unfortunately, the shit is smelling at your bumbum not mine.

You should have discredited my post by spewing out illogicalities or Falsehood in my presentations : but you didn't.

You went to bring a Jewish convert to Islam as your scape goat.

Did you see me mention Ka'b al-Ahbar in any of my posts?


Yes,
I spread the information Muslims want to keep buried from their own religious books.

Of course, you don't like it!

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Fortunately Tenq himself says what he uses in arguments are not comprehensive




If they are comprehensive, then we should be able to find the urine of Mohammed inside. He cannot find this there yet he carries one saying from wherever to prove a false point.

He ignores a clear statement in Buhari that everything outside the Quran is invalid.

Is your Quran, the book of your Allah even comprehensive?

If it is comprehensive, I why do you need thousands of hadiths and Tafsirs to back it up?

You Muslims even dispute on your own Tafsirs and you claim comprehensiveness!

Your Hadith is even less than comprehensive.
Bukhari has 7563 Hadiths
Muslim country has 3033 Hadiths

Do you even care to know the difference?
4,530
Only in Islam is this difference insignificant.

Finally,
If everything outside the Qur'an is invalid, why don't you practice Mutah (Holy Prostitution)
Do you or do you not practice nikāḥ al-mutʿah?

FxMasterz:
It only means your religious books are not comprehensive if you unwittingly accept that position. He can only use what your religion presents to make his points.

Don't mind him.
If Al-Bukhari is comprehensive enough, why use

Sahih Muslim
Sunan an-Nasa'i
Sunan Abi Dawud
Jami` at-Tirmidhi
Sunan Ibn Majah
and several other hadith collectors?

His argument was that I should produce hadith from Bukhari or Muslim on drinking of Mohammed's urine rather than the hadith by Imam As-Suyyuti referenced below

Imam Suyyuti narrates an authentic report in his al-Khasaa’is al-Kubra, vol. 2, page 253 (published by Daar al-Kutub al-Arabiy — some other online editions have this narration in vol. 2, page 441):

TenQ:
Don't mind him.
If Al-Bukhari is comprehensive enough, why use

Sahih Muslim
Sunan an-Nasa'i
Sunan Abi Dawud
Jami` at-Tirmidhi
Sunan Ibn Majah
and several other hadith collectors?

His argument was that I should produce hadith from Bukhari or Muslim on drinking of Mohammed's urine rather than the hadith by Imam As-Suyyuti referenced below

Imam Suyyuti narrates an authentic report in his al-Khasaa’is al-Kubra, vol. 2, page 253 (published by Daar al-Kutub al-Arabiy — some other online editions have this narration in vol. 2, page 441):

That's how they do. In one breath they'll reverence their books as holy books, in another breath, they'll deny the same books whenever incriminating evidences stare them in the face. You'll quote from their Quran directly, they'll call you a liar. Very funny guys.