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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Itsrm(m): 7:27am On Oct 04, 2023
Olril18:
It’s only the punch I take serious and I will gladly wait till they report anything on this. But posting PM news known for 7th grade fake news merchants is so funny 😆
They all have their political leanings.

The only one I consider to be "neutral" is daily trust.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Emaprince: 7:38am On Oct 04, 2023
monerozi5590:
Snr man. Good morning Nigeria time. Yeah, is clear Tinubu graduated but what Atiku is contesting in court is whether he submitted a forged certificate to INEC.

He asked for one but he didn't pick it up. Reasons best known to our president.

My question is, what can you make out of paragraph 19?
Guy, that paragraph 19 caught my attention too. The man clearly threw a dirty shot at us by calling it a Nigerian thing. Beautiful way to remind the world how shady Najia do their things. SMH.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 7:39am On Oct 04, 2023
Someone is overheating.

Please calm down first.
Let Atiku finish his case.
Then let's see if the supreme court will accept new evidence 😎
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by nihilistjnr: 7:40am On Oct 04, 2023
Spy360:
I just woke up to this again.

Raumdeuter make dem no delete this one as Arise delete their own o

🚨 Here we go!!!

https://twitter.com/GazetteNGR/status/1709348537593380986?t=wx7kDu8TdtIDSZoOHu5azw&s=19

Ogwusigo, Olarigo

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There isn't a single direct quote from any entity in this entire article. I'm not even talking about a direct quote on whether Tinubu forged his shït or not - there isn't a single direct quote at all.

This isn't a news report. It's an Op-Ed.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Emaprince: 7:40am On Oct 04, 2023
izzou:
[color=royalblue]For Raumdeuter to be typing long long epistles, he must have been provoked. grin

Nothing really would come out of this sha.
[/color]
Ramdeuter left the actual question and started pointing out the key points.

grin angry
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Nobody: 7:43am On Oct 04, 2023
In that long shalaye paragraph,he said tinubu got his certificate from “third party vendor”,that is what their admin have been sharing to them from their WhatsApp group cheesy...

That's a dullard's argument.
So third party vendors now issue school certificates. Third party vendors are certified issuers of school certificates. Can't defend a lie and not look like a lie yourself.

Clowns running around portraying themselves as intelligent people.

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 7:43am On Oct 04, 2023
Emaprince:
Ramdeuter left the actual question and started pointing out the key points.

grin angry
If you said someone didn't pick up his diploma, so what did the person submit to inec? 🤔
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 7:43am On Oct 04, 2023
nihilistjnr:
There isn't a single direct quote from any entity in this entire article. I'm not even talking about a direct quote on whether Tinubu forged his shït or not - there isn't a single direct quote at all.

This isn't a news report. It's an Op-Ed.
Bros.
Did Tinubu pick up his diploma?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by KanielOutis92: 7:44am On Oct 04, 2023
The magnitude of misinformation going on in the print
& mainstream media, is quite disturbing! Here, on nairaland, the Mod, Myndd is on a roll, closing any thread that seems to suggest that CSU didn't recognize the certificate Tinubu sent to INEC. Never seen anything like this!
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 7:46am On Oct 04, 2023
Ibime:
The motive could be the days before Internet, you can't easily get your document from abroad at short notice. It could be the document her requested in 1997 or a hastily arranged fake as Governorship election drew close
E be like say you dey work for Atiku
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 7:47am On Oct 04, 2023
[color=royalblue]I don confuse with this case.

I thought the aim was to prove Tinubu was not a student of CSU (I mean the one in Aso rock).

If the case now is that he submitted a fake, that is not CSU's business anymore. [/color]
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Segedinho(m): 7:50am On Oct 04, 2023
izzou:
[color=royalblue]I don confuse with this case.

I thought the aim was to prove Tinubu was not a student of CSU (I mean the one in Aso rock).

If the case now is that he submitted a fake, that is not CSU's business anymore. [/color]
If they authenticate the one he submitted to INEC,then there is no case.otherwise,it is regarded as a forged certificate which is a crime......
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 7:51am On Oct 04, 2023
izzou:
[color=royalblue]I don confuse with this case.

I thought the aim was to prove Tinubu was not a student of CSU (I mean the one in Aso rock).

If the case now is that he submitted a fake, that is not CSU's business anymore. [/color]
That's what we thought.
Atiku get wetin e dey pursue and APC people sef realized that last night nai make everybody confuse.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 7:51am On Oct 04, 2023
Question -

How do you forge a certificate you actually and verifiably have?

If bola Tinubu had demonstratably not been admitted to CSU
Not graduated from CSU
Inflated his course (eg from philosophy tongue to accounting)
Inflated his class of degree (eg from pass to first class)

There might be a case

Now we have people's core argument that he submitted a 'fraudulent copy' of his actual degree/diploma

Basically a more ridiculous version of Buharis certificate saga.

This is like road safety harassing me for carrying/ presenting a blown up photocopy of my drivers license and other vehicle papers rather than the original document. Same energy, same agenda , same waste of time.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 7:51am On Oct 04, 2023
A001:
There's a thread on FP that says otherwise. We'll soon know the truth sha, and I won't be surprised to find out that thread contains lies, which is the usual practice of APC.
Is there any doubt that Tinubu forged his certificate? The truth is out there, he is just using propaganda and technicalities to hide it.

Atiku has given Nigerians the information they need. It's now up to us to do with it whatever we will.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by nihilistjnr: 7:52am On Oct 04, 2023
liveLongNprospa:
Bros.
Did Tinubu pick up his diploma?
What I read here in the bolded suggests that it is/was common practice for replacement diplomas to be handled by 3rd party vendors.


“Between 1979 and when I assumed duties, CSU must have had at least 6 Registrars. I never spoke to Ms. Davies. Some policies have changed over the years. When there is a replacement Diploma, it is done by outside vendors. I don’t know who created Exhibit # 6.
The institution decided that my name should not be typed on the ‘To whom it may concern’ letter because of the sheer volume of requests I was getting.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Nobody: 7:55am On Oct 04, 2023
Amigoss:
In that long shalaye paragraph,he said tinubu got his certificate from “third party vendor”,that is what their admin have been sharing to them from their WhatsApp group cheesy...

That's a dullard's argument.
So third party vendors now issue school certificates. Third party vendors are certified issuers of school certificates. Can't defend a lie and not look like a lie yourself.

Clowns running around portraying themselves as intelligent people.
grin
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by nihilistjnr: 7:56am On Oct 04, 2023
liveLongNprospa:
That's what we thought.
Atiku get wetin e dey pursue and APC people sef realized that last night nai make everybody confuse.
It's an incredibly weak strategy if that's their angle. I suppose when you have more money than God like Atiku does, the financial cost of such a spurious excersise is of little personal consequence...but my God, this has been a humongous waste of money.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 7:56am On Oct 04, 2023
liveLongNprospa:
Someone is overheating.

Please calm down first.
Let Atiku finish his case.
Then let's see if the supreme court will accept new evidence 😎
I do not trust the Supreme Court. But one thing is sure, the fraud has been exposed. It's now left for Nigerians to do with the information whatever they will.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 7:58am On Oct 04, 2023
nihilistjnr:
It's an incredibly weak strategy if that's their angle. I suppose when you have more money than God like Atiku does, the financial cost of such a spurious excersise is of little personal consequence...but my God, this has been a humongous waste of money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0N_eFUUslM?si=Ni0azK1c0EsTUmH_

this is what i posted with reference to atikus lawyers on another thread
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 7:59am On Oct 04, 2023
liveLongNprospa:
That's what we thought.
Atiku get wetin e dey pursue and APC people sef realized that last night nai make everybody confuse.
[color=royalblue]I thought a document is fake if it cannot be verified.

If i print a CSU certificate online, and give it to you, the only way to verify it is to contact CSU, not asking if i truly gave you genuine documents.

I don't know sha. The case is making me question my knowledge of English[/color]
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 8:01am On Oct 04, 2023
If you are a driver and I check your DL and find out the one you carried is not only forged, it doesn't concern if you were issued an original.
What you have presented to me was forged.

When someone forges something, I'm very sure we know what it means.

Also FRSC doesn't have a rule that requires you to move around with your original document.
Forgery of an original document will land you in soup.
You think I'm joking, try forging your DL and be caught first😁
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 8:03am On Oct 04, 2023
izzou:
[color=royalblue]I thought a document is fake if it cannot be verified.

If i print a CSU certificate online, and give it to you, the only way to verify it is to contact CSU, not asking if i truly gave you genuine documents.

I don't know sha. The case is making me question my knowledge of English[/color]
Lmao.. We are all speculating.
Atiku will give everyone direction.
But what we think atiku is going for so far seems to be that tinubu submitted a forged document as against the real diploma to inec.
Now whether we try to argue how tinubu could make such a mistake is subjective but is that a possibility.. Oh well, we are about to find out soon😎
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 8:03am On Oct 04, 2023
izzou:
[color=royalblue]I thought a document is fake if it cannot be verified.

If i print a CSU certificate online, and give it to you, the only way to verify it is to contact CSU, not asking if i truly gave you genuine documents.

I don't know sha. The case is making me question my knowledge of English[/color]
this is like when i was stopped by MOT and they were demanding my papers. i showed them the papers and after they looked at them - i told them pointedly - you have already scanned my license plate and you know my papers are in order - so why are you wasting my time again?

its a try your luck game - some have admitted this to me in the past. we already know your papers are in order.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by OasisX: 8:04am On Oct 04, 2023
nihilistjnr:
What I read here in the bolded suggests that it is/was common practice for replacement diplomas to be handled by 3rd party vendors.


“Between 1979 and when I assumed duties, CSU must have had at least 6 Registrars. I never spoke to Ms. Davies. Some policies have changed over the years. When there is a replacement Diploma, it is done by outside vendors. I don’t know who created Exhibit # 6.
The institution decided that my name should not be typed on the ‘To whom it may concern’ letter because of the sheer volume of requests I was getting.
grin cheesy grin

......honestly I have laughed so loud and hard this morning eh. Really well entertained by Obidients creating Scenario in their heads and believing it like a Gospel as usual.

Though a bit confused if they are suffering of Glaucoma or its simply just 'comprehension' deficiency.

Transcript is clearly written, but they are choosing to read different things.....LMFAO!

In addition, below is an Excerpt from the deposition.

“All of the certified documents came from CSU’s files. Nothing was handed over to us by Mr. Afolabi except for the FERPA form. CSU had never certified documents for anyone before. It must have been made because there was more of a Nigerian thing.
How some folks on this board are misinterpreting the underlined statement shows they are simply jokers.

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 8:05am On Oct 04, 2023
nihilistjnr:
It's an incredibly weak strategy if that's their angle. I suppose when you have more money than God like Atiku does, the financial cost of such a spurious excersise is of little personal consequence...but my God, this has been a humongous waste of money.
Lmao.. Nihilistjnr, it's left for the supreme to admit or not admit.
Also we are all speculating.
And if you say it's a waste of money, there are alot of others who are happy with this revelation.

Everybody with what they are good with
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Olril18(m): 8:06am On Oct 04, 2023
Itsrm:
They all have their political leanings.

The only one I consider to be "neutral" is daily trust.
That’s true. Daily Trust are very good but even buhari era were clearly pro north and protective of buhari as well.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 8:07am On Oct 04, 2023
liveLongNprospa:
Lmao.. We are all speculating.
Atiku will give everyone direction.
But what we think atiku is going for so far seems to be that tinubu submitted a forged document as against the real diploma to inec.
Now whether we try to argue how tinubu could make such a mistake is subjective but is that a possibility.. Oh well, we are about to find out soon😎
[color=royalblue]I understand

But the genuinity of a document is tied to the source, not the type of paper it was printed on

If you give an FRSC the photocopy of your DL, it is not genuine. He can only confirm the genuinity by inputing your DL number in their database..

For me, the case died when CSU said they did issue him another one in 1997.[/color]
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by LordAdam16: 8:08am On Oct 04, 2023
raumdeuter:
4. A student can get a replacement certificate from a third party. It is accepted practice in the united state
raumdeuter:
Here are other things Westberg deposed to: “I’m not aware of any instance where CSU had been requested to certify a document.Mr. Wole Afolabi who was acting for President Tinubu insisted that the documents must be certified. Mr. Wole Afolabi is President Tinubu’s lawyer. Mr. Afolabi and Mr. Orr communicated by email.

“I don’t recall seeing the emails. I don’t know if Jason Carter approved of the certification. Apart from Jason Carter I do not know anyone else who was involved in the process.

“I went into Mr. Tinubu’s student’s file and produced the documents to Mr. Orr. I didn’t know that the documents would be certified. I don’t get involved in legal matters.

“Mr. Tinubu requested that the documents be released to Mr. Afolabi for ‘legal proceedings’ The signature on the consent form is similar to the signature we have on record for Mr. Tinubu.

“All of the certified documents came from CSU’s files. Nothing was handed over to us by Mr. Afolabi except for the FERPA form. CSU had never certified documents for anyone before. It must have been made because there was more of a Nigerian thing.

“The documents were released in pursuance of a FERPA request. I believe Mr. Afolabi requested that the documents be certified. I’m not aware if the stamp affixed by Mr. Orr to the documents was an official document. It is not part of CSU practice.
“I see the entry on APC’s website wherein President Bola Tinubu was said to have been born in Lagos on March 29, 1952. I don’t have a copy of the Diploma that was submitted to INEC so I can’t comment on it.
The entries in bold are the smoking gun.

Asiwaju requested for a replacement diploma which CSU graciously issued.
Yet he went to submit a diploma he forged with insignia that was "not part of CSU practice".
No one cares about the motive. The bottom line is that it can be credibly argued that he tendered a fake to INEC.

As I said earlier, CSU was just meandering and trying to weasel out of admitting the diploma submitted to INEC was possibly a fake.
If this controversy was about anyone else, you guys will at least acknowledge that something is off.

The rest of the shalaye is to throw people off the scent.
All this talk about his brilliance and attendance has got nothing to do with the authenticity of the diploma he submitted.

-Lord
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 8:09am On Oct 04, 2023
GloriousGbola:
this is like when i was stopped by MOT and they were demanding my papers. i showed them the papers and after they looked at them - i told them pointedly - you have already scanned my license plate and you know my papers are in order - so why are you wasting my time again?

its a try your luck game - some have admitted this to me in the past. we already know your papers are in order.
[color=royalblue]Exactly

As long as CSU said he was their student, and admitted giving him a replacement, this matter no suppose long.

[/color]
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by liveLongNprospa(m): 8:10am On Oct 04, 2023
nihilistjnr:
What I read here in the bolded suggests that it is/was common practice for replacement diplomas to be handled by 3rd party vendors.


“Between 1979 and when I assumed duties, CSU must have had at least 6 Registrars. I never spoke to Ms. Davies. Some policies have changed over the years. When there is a replacement Diploma, it is done by outside vendors. I don’t know who created Exhibit # 6.
The institution decided that my name should not be typed on the ‘To whom it may concern’ letter because of the sheer volume of requests I was getting.
The man is also saying he doesn't know who created it. Even if you have 3rd party people pick up degrees from my school, the certificate (diploma in this case) can be looked at and identified to be known or well unverifiable if fake.

And the man is saying he can't verify it.

I'm guessing exhibit 6 is what was submitted to INEC.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 8:10am On Oct 04, 2023
OasisX:
grin cheesy grin

......honestly I have laughed so loud and hard this morning eh. Really well entertained by Obidients creating Scenario in their heads and believing it like a Gospel as usual.

Though a bit confused if they are suffering of Glaucoma or its simply just 'comprehension' deficiency.

Transcript is clearly written, but they are choosing to read different things.....LMFAO!

In addition, below is an Excerpt from the deposition.



How some folks on this board are misinterpreting the underlined statement shows they are simply jokers.
the audacity of idiotic thinking

we have proved that bola tinubu forged his certificate by proving that he graduated from CSU cum laude.
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