BlueRayDick:


Honestly when I see people who make money from politics defend rubbish political views I no too dey vex.....Na people wey dey defend indefensible and dem no dey see any kobo dey always amuse me 😁

Amigoss:
Tinubu claimed he attended Government College when it was not yet established

He also claimed he attended Richard Daley College. But the transcript from the school says female...

Stole Donald Duke youth pics

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao.
How can people reason like this in one party?

raumdeuter:


You havent shown the forgery

Mmesoma presented a result, the exam body JAMB disagreed with the result
Tinubu presented a result, The exam body who gave it CSU agreed with the result

Point the similarity

Ellexy:
Lol I know what you are Dayo.

izzou:
When you spend money to sponsor a thread on Nairaland, and you end up vexing every single person on it.




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raumdeuter:

Glad you know I am someone who deals with facts

You have a right to your opinion but you cannot choose your facts

So what does this screenshot from someone prove

CSU provides a document and agrees that Tinubu graduated from their school
Mmesoma said she passed JAMB, JAMB disagrees with her score

Your allegation does not make it a fact, A fact is what JAMB and CSU say

nihilistjnr:


That's a huge if. Who go be oga, who go be vice? I cannot see either of this men choosing to deputise for the other. Atiku would point out that he came 2nd, and Obi will say he has the popular vote..

Unless one of them dies or retires from politics and pushes his followers behind the other, Tinubu is doing 8 years.

Although, if Njgeria continues to spiral into hell at the current rate, all bets are off. I don't think we'd even be talking elections at that point - I think that it's somewhat likely that the rule of law breaks down utterly at some point in Nigeria's near future, splintering the central government into unofficial regional factions led by local strongmen. There might even be a civil war in the offing , although I think its more likely to present as a multi-regional cold War, at least in the beginning, until the regional boundaries are entrenched.

Either way, I firmly believe the artificial entity called Nigeria is on its deathbed and I cannot imagine the country celebrating its 100th independence day.

nihilistjnr:


But he did not submit the certificate with female gender to INEC.

He submitted a university certificate which has been verified by CSU.

LordAdam16:


As I understand it, the Diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC was not verified by CSU.

CSU only revealed the format of diplomas issued at the time. The institution did not say the exact diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC was issued by CSU.

That is the bone of contention. Farook is saying it was forged. Atiku's lawyer is saying the same thing.

You can be issued an original travel passport. But if you go to Oluwole to get a fake passport then present that at the port of entry, no one will ask you whether you have a genuine travel passport or whether you're actually a citizen. The question will be why are you trying to sneak into the country with a fake passport?

If Atiku's attorneys can confirm in the deposition under oath today that Tinubu did in fact submit a fake diploma to INEC; then he should resign.

We should have standards in this country. There should be a limit to the illegality we excuse.

When you lose an important document, you go back to the issuing institution to get a new copy or go to court to secure an affidavit. You don't go to a forger and help yourself to a self-issued fake. Then yap your mouth about how you fulfilled the requirements to get the document you lost. How is that anyone's business?

But maybe I'm getting it all wrong. I stand to be corrected.

-Lord

liveLongNprospa:
Lmao.
How can people reason like this in one party?

raumdeuter:


What do you say about this document the affidavit sworn by CSU

LordAdam16:


As I understand it, the Diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC was not verified by CSU.

CSU only revealed the format (samples) of diplomas issued at the time. The institution did not say the exact diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC was issued by CSU.

That is the bone of contention. Farook is saying it was forged. Atiku's lawyer is saying the same thing.

You can be issued an original travel passport. But if you go to Oluwole to get a fake passport then present that at the port of entry, no one will ask you whether you have a genuine travel passport or whether you're actually a citizen. The question will be why are you trying to sneak into the country with a fake passport?

If Atiku's attorneys can confirm in the deposition under oath today that Tinubu did in fact submit a fake diploma to INEC; then he should resign.

We should have standards in this country. There should be a limit to the illegality we excuse.

When you lose an important document, you go back to the issuing institution to get a new copy or go to court to secure an affidavit. You don't go to a forger and help yourself to a self-issued fake. Then yap your mouth about how you fulfilled the requirements to get the document you lost. How is that anyone's business?

But maybe I'm getting it all wrong. I stand to be corrected.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


The registrar sidestepped the bone of contention.

Yes, Tinubu went to CSU.
Yes, he graduated.
When he graduated, CSU issued him a diploma.
Tinubu also received a certified copy at a later time.

Here is the rub. Tinubu submitted a diploma to the INEC. Apparently, Atiku's lawyers believe the diploma he submitted is neither the original diploma nor the certified copy CSU issued.

The deposition that'd occur today will confirm if this is indeed the case. It should be easy to verify, I don't know why CSU is giving the run around.

-Lord

Emmynator:


From what I gather, the issues are;
- one of the certificates carry Female gender.
- discrepancies in DOB, SSN and name.

I think that's all.

larride:
Why will you go and forge a fake document when you have the valid one issued to you?

This analogy doesn't make sense.

LordAdam16:


The registrar sidestepped the bone of contention.

Yes, Tinubu went to CSU.
Yes, he graduated.
When he graduated, CSU issued him a diploma.
Tinubu also received a certified copy at a later time.

Here is the rub. Tinubu submitted a diploma to the INEC. Apparently, Atiku's lawyers believe the diploma he submitted is neither the original diploma nor the certified copy CSU issued.

The deposition that'd occur today will confirm if this is indeed the case. It should be easy to verify, I don't know why CSU is giving the run around. Simply confirm that the diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC was issued by them. Case closed. The shalaye is unnecessary.

-Lord

raumdeuter:


Most schools will give you a replacement diploma for free, Give you a portal to print for free, or charge max for $100. The cost of forging one will likely cost more than $100

Why will someone who genuinely graduated now go and forget the same document of the school he graduated from? What is the motive to do that?

Its like you cooking meat and stealing your own meat

larride:


Why will you go and forge a fake document when you have the valid one issued to you?

This analogy doesn't make sense.

LordAdam16:


Comprehension should not be difficult.

Anyone can lose a valid, genuine document or it might not be in one's immediate possession for whatever reason.
However, if you want to present that document officially, you don't forge, then submit a fake.
You either find the lost document or go get a new copy from the issuing institution. Or at the very least an affidavit.

Tinubu was issued a diploma after graudation. CSU confirmed that it issued a certified copy.
Yet, according to Atiku's lawyers, the diploma Tinubu submitted to INEC was neither of those.

-Lord

raumdeuter:


Why should or how would CSU validate the document submitted to INEC? What can CSU do beyond what they did already which is to show what their own Documents look like

They affirmed that Tinubu requested a replacement diploma around 1997 and the item Tinubu submitted looks like the format they use around 1997.

CSU further told that certificates are usually ceremonial and the real meat of the issue is if students graduated which they have repeated multiple times that Bola Tinubu Male graduated in the said program around 1979

LordAdam16:
They can reproduce the certified copies of diplomas of other students that they issued at the time with names redacted, but they can't validate that the document submitted to INEC was issued by them.
Is that meant to be a joke or what?

That is the part that grates me.
There's something off about saying the best you can do is quip that the diploma he submitted "looks like" the format used.
As that's the entire point of a forgery. For the forged document to "look like" whatever it is meant to stand in for.

This is an irrelevant tidbit.
The dispute is whether the document he submitted to INEC was issued by CSU.
Not whether he graduated or not.

-Lord

liveLongNprospa:
Izzou e be like say you correct.

larride:


The certificate Tinubu submitted to INEC were replacement that was issued in 1997. How do you expect it to be the same with the one CSU was using in 1979 when they themselves has said they usually change font, seal and all that on their diploma. In the document they submitted to Atiku Lawyer, there are same samples diploma of the one Tinubu submitted to INEC.

People lose their document whether by any means, some go back to the school to get a replacement certificate (which Tinubu did) some just go and get an affidavit from the court that their so so documents are lost.

The school has confirmed that Tinubu attended and graduated from their school in 1979. The school has confirmed that they issued a replacement diploma to Tinubu in 1997. What else they want the school to do is what I dont know.

liveLongNprospa:
If I lose my university degree and I go and submit a fake one even if there's an original, I've committed a crime because what was submitted wasn't what was issued by the school.
I believe that's what Lord is saying.
Unless we all want to say that I didn't commit any crime😊

izzou:


That thing na big propaganda

Go to that thread. One guy captured since February.

Like...January, February, and e never collect.

larride:


But the school itself confirmed they issued a new replacement certificate to Tinubu in 1997. That's what Tinubu submitted to INEC.

What exactly is the issue?