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I have always held Christianity as a way of life and also a spiritual path. But kobo as a Christian has a different view.

CloudTrees:
Christianity is indeed different,
it's a way of life that encourages peace and love
Those virtues must be extended to everyone, regardless of their religion and social background.

Then kobo replied

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying!

This made me to ask why

CloudTrees:
why

She responded that

Kobojunkie:
If Christianity were indeed what you claim, then there wouldn't exist any differentiations between that which is linked to Christians and that which is not, would there? It is all political and nothing else.

Then I got more curious and I asked

CloudTrees:
So you mean Christianity is a lie?

The she said

Kobojunkie:
Is anything political true?

Well

CloudTrees:
I don't know and that is why I am asking you.
Do you say Christianity is a lie?

The account kobo replied

Kobojunkie:
Christianity is a religion, like every other religion out there, established by men as a tool for the political purpose of gathering power, wealth, and control over the lives of people. What makes you think that somehow Christianity can be associated with that which is true?

Then I wanted to be clear

CloudTrees:
So this is established as your opinion about Christianity?

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Kobojunkie:
This isn't an opinion but a historical fact.

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CloudTrees:
your opinion can not be classified as a historical fact..
You have stated it expressly clear that Christianity was established by men as a tool for the political purpose of gathering power,

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Kobojunkie:
I never gave you an opinion as it is historical fact known to all that the religion of Christianity was made official by the Emperor of Rome, along with a bunch of non-Israelite Bishops and their primary goal was to gain power and control over the movement of those who claimed to be followers of Jesus Christ. In order to accomplish it not only did they assert their own doctrines over those of others, but they also killed off those who opposed the move to institute the religion.

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CloudTrees:
So you have concluded that nothing is spiritual about Christianity?

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Kobojunkie:
Explain what you mean by this "Spiritual" aspect you pretend exists?

CloudTrees:
I have always held Christianity as a way of life and also a spiritual path. But kobo as a Christian has a different view. Then kobo replied...This made me to ask why....She responded that....Then I got more curious and I asked ....The she said....Well...The account kobo replied ...Then I wanted to be clear ....... ..... ....... ....... ........

The question remains, what makes you think of Christianity as this "Spiritual" path you claim to have always assumed it to be.

Kobo is right, christianity is just one out of the 3k plus religion..

Kobojunkie:
The question remains, what makes you think of Christianity as this "Spiritual" path you claim to have always assumed it to be.

Because christ died for our sins

CloudTrees:
■ Because christ died for our sins

Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Christianity. For one, Jesus Christ made clear that He was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel.

21 Jesus went from there to the area of Tyre and Sidon.
22 A Canaanite woman from that area came out and began shouting, “Lord, Son of David, please help me! My daughter has a demon inside her, and she is suffering very much.”
23 But Jesus did not answer her. So the followers came to him and said, “Tell her to go away. She keeps crying out and will not leave us alone.”
24 Jesus answered, “God sent me ONLY to the lost people of Israel.” - Matthew 15 vs 21 - 24

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30 “I can do nothing alone. I judge only the way I am told. And my judgment is right, because I am not trying to please myself. I want only to please the one who sent me. - John 5 vs 30

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35 Then Jesus said, “I am the bread that gives life. No one who comes to me will ever be hungry. No one who believes in me will ever be thirsty.
36 I told you before that you have seen me, and still you don’t believe.
37 The Father gives me my people. Every one of them will come to me. I will always accept them.
38 I came down from heaven to do what God wants, not what I want.
39 I must not lose anyone God has given me. But I must raise them up on the last day. This is what the one who sent me wants me to do.
40 Everyone who sees the Son and believes in him has eternal life. I will raise them up on the last day. This is what my Father wants.” - John 6 vs 35 - 40

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34 Jesus said, “My food is to do what the one who sent me wants me to do. My food is to finish the work that he gave me to do. - John 4 vs 34

However, your Christianity was founded by a bunch of rogue Bishops(mostly Romans) who hijacked the movement for personal gain in collaboration with the Emperor of Rome. Clearly, not even Israelites. So how can they be said to be associated with Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ has nothing to do with Christianity. For one, Jesus Christ made clear that He was sent only to the Lost sheep of Israel. ...
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However, your Christianity was founded by a bunch of rogue Bishops(mostly Romans) who hijacked the movement for personal gain in collaboration with the Emperor of Rome. Clearly, not even Israelites. So how can they be said to be associated with Jesus Christ?

CloudTrees:

I understand that you want to desperately hold on to that which you were probably raised with. But the fact is there is no truth to any of it and all you supposedly felt or believed of it were all part of the delusion created by your mind to continue to fool you with.

CloudTrees:

As for Christianity being a political arrangement, well, the following might help explain that.

If Jesus died sometime around 30 A.D., why did it take nearly three centuries to found the organized Church? There are three main reasons.

First, travel and communication were difficult at that time. It was difficult to make decisions and to run organizations that had offices more than a day’s walk, or perhaps horseback ride, apart. When trading businesses established offices in different ports, for example, they had to operate essentially as independent businesses because of the difficulties of coordination. Fledgling Christianity sent out missionaries to establish new Christian communities, but then had to allow each community to run itself, as indicated by Paul’s letters to the churches he established.

Second, there was little agreement about Christianity’s beliefs and teachings, the nature of Jesus and God, what writings were sacred, or even how to worship. There was a wide variety of views, many of which were later declared heresies: Donatists in North Africa, Gnostics in Egypt and Arians in Syria. And do not forget the Adoptionists, the Modalists, the Manicheans, the Montanists, the Marcionites, the Ebionites, the Nestorians and the Meletians, to name just a few.

Third, imperial persecutions of Christians happened every few decades. These drove Christianity underground and caused many Christians to turn away. But almost worse were the rifts that appeared afterward between Christians who kept the faith and those who apostatized to save their lives, both of whom still considered themselves Christians.

Constantine appeared on the scene in the midst of the so-called Great Persecution, begun in 303, under Emperor Diocletian. By 305, the problems caused by the persecution were overtaken by those of determining Diocletian’s successor. More than six different generals would fight to become next the emperor. Constantine stood out because he became a Christian and unabashedly made Jesus the patron of his army. By 313, just two contenders remained, Constantine and Licinius. The two jointly issued the Edict of Milan, which made Christianity a legal religion and officially ended the persecution. But, it was not until 324 that Constantine finally became the sole ruler of the Roman Empire.

Constantine saw Christianity’s belief in one god as a way to unify the empire that had been so badly divided for two decades. But he discovered that Christianity itself was not unified. So, he called the Council of Nicea in 325 to bring together the 1,800 bishops from around the empire to work out official doctrine and provide the basis for a unified Church. Constantine paid for the entire council and even paid for travel, giving bishops the right of free transportation on the imperial postal system.

The council laid the foundation of orthodox theology (Catholic theology) and declared several differing theologies heresies. Constantine’s support initially gave Orthodoxy the ability to require Christians to adopt their doctrinal formulation. While during the next few decades, the church’s fortunes waxed and waned, within a century, Christianity had been declared the official religion of the Roman Empire and non-Christian religions were in steep decline.
How Constantine Created the Christian Church

Kobojunkie:
I understand that you want to desperately hold on to that which you were probably raised with. But the fact is there is no truth to any of it and all you supposedly felt or believed of it were all part of the delusion created by your mind to continue to fool you with.

“Life is Short. Make Sure You Spend As Much Time As Possible on the Internet Arguing with Strangers.”

casualobserver:
■ The tenets of all, faiths lie In what is called the universal law or the golden rule. Do,not,there as you wish unto yourself. It is something hat is least adhered to by so called religious people and all religions are guilty.
■ If you take a good car and drive like a maniac resulting in a crash, the problem is not the car but the driver. He problem we have in the world is not your faith, be it Christianity, Islam or Judaism. The problem is religion. Religion is a man made concept, made by man for man.
■ Understand Christianity is a faith not a religion. Jesus did not create a church. Man made church, church is religion. That I believe in Jesus does not mean I have any regard for people like Adeboye. He has the same bible I have. He is no more a man of God than I am.

So what exactly is this tenet which you claim is some sort of universal law that only you seem to cling to then?

2. But Judaism, Christianity, and equally Islam are all religions — man-made systems that are used by those who claim to be religious leaders to rule over their gullible followers.

3. You call it a faith but even to its very foundation, it was nothing but a political tool put together by rogue bishops with the backing of Constantine, and what you call universal tenets are based on ideas that were plugged together by those men and others like them. I really am not certain why you are trying to argue against the facts here. Those who instituted the Religion of Christianity have nothing to do with Jesus Christ.

CloudTrees:
I have always held Christianity as a way of life and also a spiritual path. But kobo as a Christian has a different view.



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You're obviously new to nairaland. Kobojunkie has been a lowlife troll and thread derailer since 2007. If you engage her, you're on your own because your IQ will reduce drastically.

The only thing that will change Kobo's mind is an encounter with the Holy Spirit. I pray she gets an encounter before it became too late.

world123:
The only thing that will change Kobo's mind is an encounter with the Holy Spirit. I pray she gets an encounter before it became too late.

By holy spirit I know you instead mean your gods of men whom you Christians in fact worship and obey.

Kobojunkie:
By holy spirit I know you instead mean your gods of men whom you Christians in fact worship and obey.

I pray for you in the name of Jesus, that you will not miss out on God's best plan for you earth.

I also pray that you will encounter Jesus, The Holy Spirit and The Word of God. Such that you will become God's ambassador on earth, I'm Jesus name.

God bless you🙏

world123:
■ I pray for you in the name of Jesus, that you will not miss out on God's best plan for you earth. I also pray that you will encounter Jesus, The Holy Spirit and The Word of God. Such that you will become God's ambassador on earth, I'm Jesus name. God bless you🙏

All these Phariseeic announcements mean absolutely nothing, abeg!

Kobojunkie:
All these Phariseeic announcements mean absolutely nothing, abeg!

It's now you really are showing yourself for who you truly are-someone under the yoke of a seducing spirit and spirit of confusion. You have no part in the Lord. Anyone who calls self a Christian and aligns, for any reason, with your views is ignorant and doesn't know Jesus Christ.

Omotakins:
■ It's now you really are showing yourself for who you truly are-someone under the yoke of a seducing spirit and spirit of confusion. You have no part in the Lord. Anyone who calls self a Christian and aligns, for any reason, with your views is ignorant and doesn't know Jesus Christ.

You are not making any sense... why would anyone who belongs to Jesus Christ do that which Jesus Christ clearly indicated is against Him .e.g that which He said the Pharisees do and is against God?

Why una dey like to confuse una selves?

I must say that I find it rather preposterous that one would wake up one fine morning, proceed to this platform and open a whole thread over an attention-seeking and self-serving individual who loves to bask in grandiose delusion and arrogance.

It only spells out one fact: the OP needs to reevaluate herself and ask herself why she needs the validation of others, much less the one of someone who should be ignored, to be able to believe what she professes to believe.

I still do not fathom till date why anyone still chooses to engage a fellow who calls himself or herself a junkie.