justlove91:

Are you special because you visit people in their homes??

You need to be smart.
Preaching in the public where no one can look into your eyes and as ask you straightforward questions means you're stylishly avoiding scrutiny. Why do you think talks about Jehovah's Witnesses top the chat everywhere?
Well it's because we speak with people face to face giving them the opportunity to question our faith.
So anyone who is able to enter people's homes and speak with householders face to face as in one on one is SPECIAL!

justlove91:

Does this mean war lords in the bible eg Moses are not Jehovah witness?

The one who gave them the go ahead back then is Jehovah and it's because those they're fighting are worshipers of other gods not those claiming they're worshipers of the same God of Abraham.
Satan wants to use the Bible against itself by initiating false religions where the worshipers will be claiming they belong to the God of Abraham yet killing themselves.
Now ask yourself has there been anytime the God of Israel support two opposite sides in wars?
So which god are these religionists praying to when going to wars against themselves?

justlove91:

I hear you.

You want to make million pounds?? It's okay, just know Hedonic adaptation will be waiting for you.

No you don't hear me at all. I don't want to make this particular million pounds. I just want to cloth in ectoplasm the million pounds I dreamed I had last night so I can spend it.

I promise to spend some building a hospital.

MaxInDHouse:

You need to be smart.
Preaching in the public where no one can look into your eyes and as ask you straightforward questions means you're stylishly avoiding scrutiny. Why do you think talks about Jehovah's Witnesses top the chat everywhere?
Well it's because we speak with people face to face giving them the opportunity to question our faith.
So anyone who is able to enter people's homes and speak with householders face to face as in one on one is SPECIAL!

@bolded
That doesn't make you're special, you just need to be confident in the truth of what you preach, though your confidence doesn't make it true.

The one who gave them the go ahead back then is Jehovah and it's because those they're fighting are worshipers of other gods not those claiming they're worshipers of the same God of Abraham.

So if Jehovah through your governing body command you to go to war against worshippers of other gods, will you??

Now ask yourself has there been anytime the God of Israel support two opposite sides in wars?

Well, I've known him to start war.

budaatum:


No you don't hear me at all. I don't want to make this particular million pounds. I just want to cloth in ectoplasm the million pounds I dreamed I had last night so I can spend it.

Ha! Thief, lol..

But your million pounds wouldn't last nah because the spirits have to return the ectoplasm back to the medium and sitters, the materialization is temporal, so you will just get to touch and smell your million pounds but wouldn't take it home.

I promise to spend some building a hospital.

Lol..
You and hospital...... 5&6

justlove91:

@bolded
That doesn't make you're special, you just need to be confident in the truth of what you preach, though your confidence doesn't make it true.

That's the one and only smart thing to do not just sitting down in your room and typing or standing by the road side and making noises where your intelligence can't be insulted with thought provoking questions.
Jesus commanded us to go and meet people in their homes to prove that only Christians have the best teacher ever. With the way you and i have been discussing do you think i can leave you like my brothers who have other people to attend to?
Chat with me now and prove you are wiser than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES because on faceless forum like this one i have all the time to answer you!

justlove91:

So if Jehovah through your governing body command you to go to war against worshippers of other gods, will you??

The Governing Body weren't chosen to lead us in any other thing than the preaching and teaching work that's why you will notice that we enjoy different kinds of music as long as it's not churchy ones.
So the commander in chief of all the heavenly armies: Jesus of Nazareth has issued the order for all servants of God to cease fire because the remaining battle is to be fought by angels all we have to do is preach zealously and teach industriously in all our neighbourhood in that the GB is chosen to direct us!

justlove91:

Well, I've known him to start war.

You're wrong!
He never started wars rather it's politicians who were using force back then to rule over their fellow humans as for Jehovah He did all He can to send a warning message to all the inhabitants of the earth regarding His plan to establish a nation of priests only in the land of Canaan it's due to the stubbornness of Canaanites that led to their destruction.

justlove91:


So if Jehovah through your governing body command you to go to war against worshippers of other gods, will you??

The governing body are the faithful and discreet slave and must act in harmony with God's word to direct the Christian congregation in this time of the end
Interestingly, Jesus also warned about the slave turning wicked (relaxing in his duty or becoming rebellious).
The events regarding the end down to the restoration of God's original purpose has been written down
God has instructed us on what to be doing in this time of the end
God himself will bring Mankind to judgement

MaxInDHouse:


Chat with me now and prove you are wiser than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES because on faceless forum like this one i have all the time to answer you!

Chatting with you is not the problem, the problem is that you relied heavily on the bible which I don't believe in.

The Governing Body weren't chosen to lead us in any other thing than the preaching and teaching work that's why you will notice that we enjoy different kinds of music as long as it's not churchy ones.
So the commander in chief of all the heavenly armies: Jesus of Nazareth has issued the order for all servants of God to cease fire because the remaining battle is to be fought by angels all we have to do is preach zealously and teach industriously in all our neighbourhood in that the GB is chosen to direct us!

Tell me how this battle is to play out, will we all see angels with flaming swords murdering people up and down?

You're wrong!
He never started wars rather it's politicians who were using force back then to rule over their fellow humans as for Jehovah He did all He can to send a warning message to all the inhabitants of the earth regarding His plan to establish a nation of priests only in the land of Canaan it's due to the stubbornness of Canaanites that led to their destruction.

Tell me about the promised land massacre.

justlove91:

Chatting with you is not the problem, the problem is that you relied heavily on the bible which I don't believe in.

I also never believe in books called "Holy" not until i began to see the positive results of what was written in the Bible among Jehovah's Witnesses.
Note that all humans are imperfect so if you're to examine each human you will certainly see faults here there but by the time God's Holy Spirit brings Jehovah's Witnesses together as an organization the fulfilment of prophecies as written in the Bible became so clear!
Have you noticed little ants before?
Try to watch out if you can see what an ant is up because each one is going about with it's problem but please observe them when they converge and work together then you will be amazed at the amount of useful information God infused in those tiny little creatures.
So how come humans who are far much more intelligent than ants?
That's why i always say it everywhere i go that "Jehovah's Witnesses made me see God in action!"

justlove91:

Tell me how this battle is to play out, will we all see angels with flaming swords murdering people up and down?

How do you expect humans to see angels who wants to cleanse the planet?
Well they will simply remove oxygen from the nostrils of all unbelievers within just few minutes and replace it with the deadliest gas that's all:
On that very night the angel of Jehovah went out and struck down 185,000 men in the camp of the As·syrʹi·ans. When people rose up early in the morning, they saw all the dead bodies. 2Kings 19:35

justlove91:

Tell me about the promised land massacre.

The true God demanded a space only in the land of Canaan where pure worship will be established, first of all He allowed the Israelites to be enslaved in the world's most powerful nation then He sent two octogenarians (Aaron and Moses) to speak with the most stubborn world ruler so that by the time God finished dealing with Pharaoh and his men the whole world will tremble at the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
But instead of the Canaanites to beg for mercy they were planning a siege against God's plan.
Well if i was a citizen of Canaan i would have done exactly what Rahab the prostitute did to save all members of her family.

This is what she said:

“I do know that Jehovah will give you the land and that the fear of you has fallen upon us. All the inhabitants of the land are disheartened because of you, for we heard how Jehovah dried up the waters of the Red Sea before you when you left Egypt and what you did to the two kings of the Amʹor·ites, Siʹhon and Og, whom you devoted to destruction on the other side of the Jordan. When we heard about it, we lost heart, and no one has any courage because of you, for Jehovah your God is God in the heavens above and on the earth beneath. Now, please, swear to me by Jehovah that, because I showed loyal love to you, you will also show loyal love to my father’s household; and you must give me a sign of good faith. You must spare the lives of my father and mother, my brothers and sisters, and all who belong to them, and you must save us from death". Joshua 2:9-13

You may choose to act otherwise!

MaxInDHouse:

I also never believe in books called "Holy" not until i began to see the positive results of what was written in the Bible among Jehovah's Witnesses.
Note that all humans are imperfect so if you're to examine each human you will certainly see faults here there but by the time God's Holy Spirit brings Jehovah's Witnesses together as an organization the fulfilment of prophecies as written in the Bible became so clear!
Have you noticed little ants before?
Try to watch out if you can see what an ant is up because each one is going about with it's problem but please observe them when they converge and work together then you will be amazed at the amount of useful information God infused in those tiny little creatures.
So how come humans who are far much more intelligent than ants?
That's why i always say it everywhere i go that "Jehovah's Witnesses made me see God in action!"

You can sugar coat your group all you want but the truth remains :
- People join your group just as they join others.
- People in your group are imperfect just as in other groups.
- People leave your group just as they leave other groups.
I watched a video sometime ago about an old couple who had spent more than sixty years as JW but now left the group.
I also read a book written by an ExJW who was a former member of your governing body.
If these people can spend all this years and reach such a high state as the governing body, yet still leave the group, then there is something going on which you small small JW don't know about.

How do you expect humans to see angels who wants to cleanse the planet?
Well they will simply remove oxygen from the nostrils of all unbelievers within just few minutes and replace it with the deadliest gas that's all:

I still maintain my stand that it is more reasonable and ethical to "judge" people based on their character/deeds than their beliefs.

The true God demanded a space only in the land of Canaan where pure worship will be established, first of all He allowed the Israelites to be enslaved in the world's most powerful nation then He sent two octogenarians (Aaron and Moses) to speak with the most stubborn world ruler so that by the time God finished dealing with Pharaoh and his men the whole world will tremble at the name of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
But instead of the Canaanites to beg for mercy they were planning a siege against God's plan.
Well if i was a citizen of Canaan i would have done exactly what Rahab the prostitute did to save all members of her family.

Give excuses for your God all you want, I still believe an all powerful and all knowing God should've taught of a better option that doesn't involve massacre.

justlove91:
@triplechoice

This only applies to the second guy, the first guy has already bought the charger, had given it to her so the good is already completed, but he went back and nullify the good.

Even though it didn't last , your friend already used the charger to power her laptop to use it , and that's the good she benefited . . She should be grateful for the temporary good she got from a stranger whose true intention she was too naive to detect .

He didn't nullify what she already used it for , that's charging her laptop (the good). He only stopped it after realising it was bad investment; He was not going to earn anything from it in return .
And why does your friend think she's entitled to a brand new charger from just anyone . It's her fault she was treated that way. Some girls won't accept such a gift from any man because they don't want to be asked to return the favour in some way later . . I hope she learnt something from that . How many Nigerian men would buy you something for free ?

If she had bought the charger with her own hard earn money and it later got spoilt after using it for some time ,would she go back to the buyer to say the 'buying ' is nullified since it has stopped working ?

My friends are actually the ladies telling me of their unpleasant experience with guys.

. 1. They should learn from it .
2.You created the confusion because you didn't specify your friends among the four characters in the story .

justlove91:

You can sugar coat your group all you want but the truth remains :
- People join your group just as they join others.
- People in your group are imperfect just as in other groups.
- People leave your group just as they leave other groups.
I watched a video sometime ago about an old couple who had spent more than sixty years as JW but now left the group.
I also read a book written by an ExJW who was a former member of your governing body.
If these people can spend all this years and reach such a high state as the governing body, yet still leave the group, then there is something going on which you small small JW don't know about.

You really amuse me walahi talahi!
So if a popular spiritists today forgo spiritism and join Islam that means you don't know what you're doing shey?
Well nobody is small in God's organization we are all humble servants of Jehovah so anyone can stop serving Jehovah for reasons best known to them but one thing is certain:
They can never ever find a better performing group than JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.
You may try to make thorough research please i'm still with you if any of those you're talking about can present a group of religionists they later began associating with after they left God's organization!

justlove91:

I still maintain my stand that it is more reasonable and ethical to "judge" people based on their character/deeds than their beliefs.

The God of Abraham has set a time when He will help all His obedient worshipers to attain perfection not now. During that time each one will be allowed to live for 1,000 years as youths by then there will be no excuse for doing evil because death will be reversed, no sickness will be there, everyone will have whatever it takes to live life the best, there will be no need to fear natural disaster or any evil for the whole of 1,000 years so it's when that time is over that Jehovah will base His judgement on what each person turns out to become not now that there is one thousand and one reason to default. But only those who proved OBEDIENT by doing the work Jesus assigned to his disciples will be granted a Visa into that system. That's why the thief executed beside Jesus was really really grateful because he has been condemned already he only begged Jesus for a second chance and Jesus told him "you will be with me in Paradise" {Luke 23:43} that's the place where the guy will be tested if he can do without evil when there is no evil around him! Psalms 37:9-11

justlove91:

Give excuses for your God all you want, I still believe an all powerful and all knowing God should've taught of a better option that doesn't involve massacre.

It's like i need to enlighten you on what the God of Abraham meant when He declared Himself "HOLY"
It doesn't mean you won't find a reason to complain just as if you are asked to present a better source of light than day light. Of course you can't but if you're asked to point to dark side of the sky surely you will see some parts of the sky that's not white like snow but you can never ever find a better replacement for the day light the same way you can never ever find a better (Holier) God than JEHOVAH the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!

justlove91:

It is hard but it's practicable.

It seems you do not understand the concept of moral mandala well. It doesn't mean there is no motivation for doing good but that the motivation is humanity orientated and not self orientated. Let me give examples of moral mandala.

I understand it very well . It's you that's starting to create confusion with some vague descriptions, like the one below .

1. I'm wealthy, I noticed people in my village are suffering from poor health due to no access to pure source of water. I decide to improve their living condition by building hospital and provide pure source of water.

In the above scenario, I have a motivation but the motivation is directed at them (improve their living condition) and not directed at me (to gain fame or be viewed as a good person, or to gain favour from God etc).

The bolded doesn't make any sense . You are the one doing the good and the motivation for you is the happiness you get from what you do for others. . In the above scenario ,the benefit is mutual . You gain and they gain too.

So what are you "transferring " to them so you become unhappy in building the hospital ?

Who is happy to receive a gift from an unhappy person ?

Maybe you want to say ,you did it without the expectation of reward from them ,paying you back directly , and not "transferring motivation" to them .

And yes ,doing good without expecting to be paid back for it by the person you "re doing it for , is what I consider pure morality .

But that shouldnt be a business activity that you want to profit from if not ,you won't succeed in it.

2. A house is burning, you rushed inside to save a child inside.
Saving the child is your motivation and not becoming a hero.

And you think anyone in such a situation would be thinking of that before rescuing the child .No.

You have created something that doesn't happen in real life .

I believe anyone, theist or atheist , who is moved to save a child in a burning fire would react automatically without thinking of becoming an hero . It's the people around that gives the recognition of hero after . And whether you accept the recognition or not ,it's your cup of tea . You have become their hero and nothing can change that.

I once rescued a colleague, who was being electrocuted in a factory where I worked when I was 19. . Till today I cannot explain how I suddenly found myself in front of the switchboard to turn of power as my other colleagues stood confused and not knowing what to do . It was as if a greater force took control to direct everything . I wasn't thinking at all .

Adrenaline? That's the rational explanation i ,but there were other people there too , six of them ,,not me alone . Maybe their own adrenaline wasn't functioning

The next day ,my colleague came with nearly everyone from both his immediate and extended family members to thank me as if I saved the world . And I really did not see myself as any hero ,or thought I did something great because I kept asking myself how did I get to the swichboard , without thinking ? I didn't do it consciously. It's was automatic .

I wasn't a Christian then ,nor know anything about moral mandala . So what was my motivation ?

See, no matter what you think about doing it for God or fear of hell fire ,a theist who risked his life to save a child in the situation you described .has practiced the highest form of moral purity . He put his life on the line for another person and that's not selfish . It's a selfless action however you see it.

Doing it for God or fear of hell fire is a means to an end created by some religion to train the average human being ,who is selfish and self centered, to become a doer of good .Try to see the good in that one and don't rate it has inferior and moral mandala as superior . If not to take advantage of another ,good is good .


Not everyone has evolved to the point where they can engage in selfless service without some benefit to entice them or fear to motivate them . That's the reality of the world we all life in ..

I rather we have more people in the world motivated to doing good to benefit others around them because of God or hell fire than only a few who can do it for any other reason , humanity sake .

My bad

Don't bother

justlove91:

Ha! Thief, lol..

But your million pounds wouldn't last nah because the spirits have to return the ectoplasm back to the medium and sitters, the materialization is temporal, so you will just get to touch and smell your million pounds but wouldn't take it home.

Lol..
You and hospital...... 5&6

So, basically, the million pounds will be like it was in my dreams where I touched and smelt it and it disappeared as soon as I woke up?

Hopefully, when I come to buy something from you with my dream million pounds that did not last, you will tell me to fuq off instead of being convinced to believe the million pounds in my dream is real as you are trying to do to me with a spirit that is not lasting that is clothed in ectoplasm that does not last.

triplechoice:
I once rescued a colleague, who was being electrocuted in a factory where I worked when I was 19. . Till today I cannot explain how I suddenly found myself in front of the switchboard to turn of power as my other colleagues stood confused and not knowing what to do . It was as if a greater force took control to direct everything . I wasn't thinking at all .

Though you were not consciously aware, you had previously acquired the knowledge to place yourself in front of the switchboard to turn off the power plus you consider others. Those who lack the knowledge you had stood confused because they did not know.

justlove91, you asked about me and hospital. Ma was a nurse when I was a kid. And forced on her by the poor in the neighbourhood was free health care, the most dire being helping them give birth. It was always an emergency, and you wouldn't believe the number of times I boiled hot water in the middle of the night. They came to ma because they could not afford to get to the supposed free general hospital. And ma, knowing they were poor, had a rule that maternity work was free for the woman, though ma would harass their usually lazy husbands till they paid something. The women mostly named their daughters after my mother, which she was proud of, though knowing my ma I wouldn't put it past her if she insisted they must when she said push. She savvy and devious like that.

Just saying so you might consider one of my motivations for building a hospital with my dream money if you can help make it real long enough to spend it.

budaatum:


Though you were not consciously aware, you had previously acquired the knowledge to place yourself in front of the switchboard to turn off the power plus you consider others. Those who lack the knowledge you had stood confused because they did not know.

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Yes ,you got that completely right . After I finished recounting the incident in my previous post , I instantly got why I was quick to react that way based on what I now about how the human mind stores information to control one's behaviour automatically. But as at that time, I didn't know much to explain it. So was mystified .

Before that day , I remember that the same person, who was being electrocuted ,had been instructing me (not everyday though ) to go into the room, where the main switchboard hung on the wall , to switch it off once it was time to close and completely shut down the factory . leaving only the security lights on.

But I wasn't the only doing that for him . Anyone close to him during final shut down ,he would send .

Besides , other workers who had been doing the same thing for him before I was employed were also present on that day.

But not a single one of them followed me to switch off.

That, I remember now , was what made him really grateful I was present on that particular day, if not .

Good that this thread has made me to recollect that incident . I would be using it one of these days to show what I know about how the human mind works . Thank you

triplechoice:

Good that this thread has made me to recollect that incident . I would be using it one of these days to show what I know about how the human mind works . Thank you

I have agonised for days over this, and only now thought I can capably give a response, considering our last engagement, but try I must.

My issue is with "to show what I know about how the human mind works", to be precise.

First, you have come to recognise how your one human mind worked in one single instance and assumed to therefore know (I have deviously left out your "about", note), how the human mind works. And not only that, you intend to show.

If [in your mind] you have come to a recognition of an experience you had in the past, don't you think you might recognise other experiences you have had in the past and even those you may have in the future too and therefore further learn how your mind works, and even train it to work much better?

Point is, your mind worked while the minds of your colleagues who stood confused did obviously not work, so assuming your mind works like "the human mind works" assumes everyone's mind works like your mind works, which your narrative has shown not to be so.

Saying that, we all "show" what we know, just that some know there's a lot more they don't know, so I learn more to reduce my ignorance instead of asking others to believe in my ignorance. Though, I would be delighted if I could find someone who'd believe in my dream million pounds.

Apologies for not making this easy and straightforward. I wrote it for your mind which I feel will decipher it.

To illustrate. I thought I knew how my opponent's mind worked until he shocked me with [url=m.gameknot.com/analyze-board.pl?bd=33987370&fb=1&rnd=0.8511828548482838]the reality of my ignorance[/url].

budaatum:
To illustrate. I thought I knew how my opponent's mind worked until he shocked me with [url=m.gameknot.com/analyze-board.pl?bd=33987370&fb=1&rnd=0.8511828548482838]the reality of my ignorance[/url].

You jumped the gun already . It's not about me ,my own mind . The story I shared is to be used as a good example of the information I wanted to share later.

The "about how the human mind works" is not my findings alone but those of neuroscientist who have done the "dirty job"

In other words it's not my conclusions .So, it's not what you "re already assuming to be .

Hold on . Let my get the microphone working first . I have not even started

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triplechoice:


You jumped the gun already . It's not about me ,my own mind . The story I shared is to be used as a good example of the information I wanted to share later.

Interesting.

Mention me so I don't miss what you share please.

budaatum:


Interesting.

Mention me so I don't miss what you share please.

Ok

budaatum:
To illustrate. I thought I knew how my opponent's mind worked until he shocked me with [url=m.gameknot.com/analyze-board.pl?bd=33987370&fb=1&rnd=0.8511828548482838]the reality of my ignorance[/url].

I'd like to see how this played out.

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus is the first and last person accused wrongly regarding allegation levelled against him, there has never been any of such and never can such be again.

Breathtaking!

LordReed:


I'd like to see how this played out.

I gave up in the end. That error of judgement of my supposed ability to read minds was far too costly. The assumption was his Queen would run from 35. g4. Wasn't counting on the awesome Qxd3, and 36. ...... Nxf3+.

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[Site "http://gameknot.com/"]
[Date "2023.10.21"]
[Round "-"]
[White "budaatum"]
[Black "shehenshah"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "1748"]
[BlackElo "1923"]

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