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Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by garfield1: 5:37pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
Tinubu forged his certificate he presented to INEC, he forfeited 460k for narcotics,
he commited perjury, he has dual citizenship, he did not get 25% Abuja, he rigged the election.

Why are you defending the Supreme Court that a retiring justice Dattijo called corrupt and compromised? Do you know more than a justice of the Supreme Court?

The retired justice was querying the powers vested on the cjn and not the judiciary son.
There was no proof that tinubu forged his cert.moreover,the issue was raised legally out of time.there was no proof of perjury.
The constitution never said 25% is mandatory in FCT nor that dual citizenship is illegal.the law forbids ex convicts from vying for elections not those that forfeit money.moreover,the money forfeited wasn't his

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Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by JagabanB: 5:40pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
The court is the reason for the many litigations because the have made technicality the primary determination of their jurisprudence.

Most senators and representatives who went to court despite their irev not tempered with did so to compromised the already corrupt judges not to look at merit but technicality
The court won't abandon it's ways to please ur emotions.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 5:41pm On Nov 06, 2023
valentineuwakwe:


Stop writing what you don't know
abeg shift.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DrMPH: 5:47pm On Nov 06, 2023
Pakute:

And how about the results that have been upturned due to invalid votes and overvoting? Atleast the issue of pre election matters have been rightly restored by appeal courts.

The question is how many? Kano issue doesn't even count. Try to get what I'm sorry. Nigeria has been used to systemic corruption, and it is expected they would always find a way to circumvent innovations due to weak institutions. The sad reality now is that the courts have Validated the illegalities. We were supposed to be making progress with technology (Osun comes to mind). However, to achieve a sinister motive the Nigerian Court has thrown away the baby and the bathing water, and I'm only asking, if you feel technology didn't help us, what will?

PS. Do you also know that since petitioners cannot subpoena adversarial witnesses like INEC, it would be impossible for petitioners to prove any case? A lot of things went wrong, and the consequences are in future terms.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 5:50pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
Tinubu forged his certificate he presented to INEC, he forfeited 460k for narcotics,
he commited perjury, he has dual citizenship, he did not get 25% Abuja, he rigged the election.

Why are you defending the Supreme Court that a retiring justice Dattijo called corrupt and compromised? Do you know more than a justice of the Supreme Court?
Where's the proof he forged his certificate?. The Retired justice never made allusion to supreme court being corrupt, he was making referrences to the CJN's powers and other inhouse issues of welfare and replacement of justices. Losers as usual have turned it to propaganda.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 6:08pm On Nov 06, 2023
DrMPH:


The question is how many? Kano issue doesn't even count. Try to get what I'm sorry. Nigeria has been used to systemic corruption, and it is expected they would always find a way to circumvent innovations due to weak institutions. The sad reality now is that the courts have Validated the illegalities. We were supposed to be making progress with technology (Osun comes to mind). However, to achieve a sinister motive the Nigerian Court has thrown away the baby and the bathing water, and I'm only asking, if you feel technology didn't help us, what will?

PS. Do you also know that since petitioners cannot subpoena adversarial witnesses like INEC, it would be impossible for petitioners to prove any case? A lot of things went wrong, and the consequences are in future terms.
The court will not declare what is not in the law. If you want a review, hit the NASS. We have had tons of petitioners who have won in court. Next time, do not waste money on lazy lawyers.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by valentineuwakwe(m): 6:12pm On Nov 06, 2023
[quote kiss kiss author=Pakute post=126826099]abeg shift.[/quote]



See the kind thug language you de use.... cry shocked shocked
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DMerciful(m): 6:12pm On Nov 06, 2023
Read about how the UK judiciary ended elections litigations
JagabanB:

The court won't abandon it's ways to please ur emotions.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DMerciful(m): 6:13pm On Nov 06, 2023
You go explain tire but no single Nigerian doubts Tinubu's criminality
garfield1:


The retired justice was querying the powers vested on the cjn and not the judiciary son.
There was no proof that tinubu forged his cert.moreover,the issue was raised legally out of time.there was no proof of perjury.
The constitution never said 25% is mandatory in FCT nor that dual citizenship is illegal.the law forbids ex convicts from vying for elections not those that forfeit money.moreover,the money forfeited wasn't his
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DMerciful(m): 6:17pm On Nov 06, 2023
Its in the law and it's compulsory. Fraudulent people using loopholes to shortchange the system

Thr constitution forbids affirming the elections of certificate forgers but the Supreme Fraud used the loophole of time bound to prevent certificate forgery from being pronounced upon
Pakute:

The court cannot make what is not in the law compulsory, receive sense. Until the law is reviewed by the senate.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Kukutente23: 6:19pm On Nov 06, 2023
Pakute:
There are over 1,900 estimated election petitions from the 2023 elections, mostly the federal and state house of assembly despite the fact that both elections were transmitted realtime during election. Many winners have been sacked by the courts, sacking and counter sacking by PEPT and Appeal court. As the judiciary rightly ruled that IREV is only a viewing portal, hence it does not determine the winner or loser of an election. If transmitting realtime on IREV was the ultimate, then there would not have been this much number of litigation. Neither INEC or the IREV is the problem but the manipulations at the grassroots. An example is a certain Cynthia Okeke who manipulated votes for LP's presidential candidate and went under the radar, such a dubious manipulations would have been uploaded realtime on IREV thereby giving the public a false impression of victory. It is disingeneous from the oppositions in their attempt to deligitimize a free, fair and credible election just because IREV wasn't uploaded.
This boy grin grin grin Always eager to play the fool.

You submitted that the SC said IRev is no more than a result viewing portal like livescore and not tenable as a result collation or declaration system yet you still blame IRev for the multitude of petitions before the courts. Are you not confused?
I thought you zombified cretins said this elections was the best in the history of Nigeria.

What the courts do not understand is that the judgement(s) they are giving is not for now but for the future. In future, a student of political science will wonder why Rivers was declared for Tinubu by INEC while he lost the state on IRev. Such student will notice the Cynthia Okereke blunder and wonder why it was not corrected at point of collation. He will wonder how an election adjudged free and fair could have 18,000 blurred results and will come away with the impression that the elections held in Guinea or Gabon and not the Nigeria he knows or think he knows.

Secondly, you are unaware that EA2022 actually states that any rule made by INEC as part of its guidelines will form part of our electoral laws unless otherwise stated by the courts. See section 148 and 149 of the EA2022. So to claim IRev is just a viewing portal when the INEC regulations clearly stated that results should be directly transmitted to IRev for collation officers to use as confirmation is just tardy by the courts. It is a question of integrity and trust in our electoral process. If INEC is at liberty to change its laws as it deems fit and at any stage in the process, it implies the elections are subject to the whims and caprices of INEC which our laws never intended.

Thirdly, you claim that the only way out is to sanitize our elections at the grassroots. You must either be ignorantly dumb or just pretending. IRev is supposed to transmit results real time from the PUs which are the grassroots to INEC server. If that is pooh-poohed and you justify it, can you tell us exactly how else you intend to sanitize the electoral system? You are simply a noisemaker and rabble rouser bereft of the basic form of human intelligence.

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Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 6:22pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
Its in the law and it's compulsory. Fraudulent people using loopholes to shortchange the system
Quote the section. IREV is just a viewing platform.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by JagabanB: 6:31pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
Read about how the UK judiciary ended elections litigations
We are not in the UK, the legal system in Nigeria is not the legal system in the UK and elections in UK is not perfect.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Peterobi90: 6:37pm On Nov 06, 2023
Pakute:

A cooked result can be uploaded straight to IREV realtime, that's why some results are being upturned. IREV is only a viewing portal.

Would your rep and the public allow a cooked result?.. would a cooked result have all the signatures and be on original form?
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by garfield1: 6:47pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
You go explain tire but no single Nigerian doubts Tinubu's criminality

Obi was the one that explained follishely without evidence.i can never be tired of curbing the ignorance of foolish dumbidients
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 7:00pm On Nov 06, 2023
Kukutente23 thanks for the feedback, however my job is to disabuse the minds of the ignorant like you who have become a vuvuzela for propaganda and falsehoods against the best election yet since 1999. IREV uploads or not would not diminish the credibility or substantial compliance of the process. IREV is nothing but a viewing screen. While you speak so proudly ignorantly, be informed that no guideline can ever take precedence over the law. Guildlines are like footnotes to a body of work. Many results that were uploaded realtime were eventually upturned because of irregularities at the voting level.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Odibembem: 7:02pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
The court is the reason for the many litigations because the have made technicality the primary determination of their jurisprudence.

Most senators and representatives who went to court despite their irev not tempered with did so to compromised the already corrupt judges not to look at merit but technicality

Pls what exactly is d meaning of "technicality"? Are u referring to the following of the law by the judges as technicality?
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 7:04pm On Nov 06, 2023
Peterobi90:


Would your rep and the public allow a cooked result?.. would a cooked result have all the signatures and be on original form?
Anyone can be outplayed. some results made it to the IREV without the signatures of the appropriate parties until it was uncovered in court.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DMerciful(m): 7:43pm On Nov 06, 2023
If you don't know what technicality means, I cannot help you
Odibembem:


Pls what exactly is d meaning of "technicality"? Are u referring to the following of the law by the judges as technicality?
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DMerciful(m): 7:45pm On Nov 06, 2023
Yes we're not in the UK but in a fantastically corrupt country.

Again, read about how the UK ended election litigation so much so that they only had one litigation in a hundred years
JagabanB:

We are not in the UK, the legal system in Nigeria is not the legal system in the UK and elections in UK is not perfect.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DMerciful(m): 7:49pm On Nov 06, 2023
IREV is not just a viewing platform. If results are uploaded on IREV in realtime,
it will make it impossible to change the results in the collation centre.

If it was not important, INEC won't spend over 100 billion on it
Pakute:

Quote the section. IREV is just a viewing platform.

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Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by JagabanB: 7:54pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
Yes we're not in the UK but in a fantastically corrupt country.

Again, read about how the UK ended election litigation so much so that they only had one litigation in a hundred years
Continue reading, when u tire, u go rest.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DMerciful(m): 7:57pm On Nov 06, 2023
You have no contribution to the topic other than to defend criminality.
JagabanB:

Continue reading, when u tire, u go rest.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 8:20pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
Yes we're not in the UK but in a fantastically corrupt country.

Again, read about how the UK ended election litigation so much so that they only had one litigation in a hundred years
UK practices parlimentary, stop comparing bullshit, kid.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DMerciful(m): 8:31pm On Nov 06, 2023
Our court system is modelled after the UK. We're talking of the judiciary, you're talking about system of govt
Pakute:

UK practices parlimentary. stop comparing bullshit, kid.

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Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 8:37pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
Our court system is modelled after the UK. We're talking of the judiciary, you're talking about system of govt
Our election processes are not the same.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Kukutente23: 8:50pm On Nov 06, 2023
Pakute:
Kukutente23 thanks for the feedback, however my job is to disabuse the minds of the ignorant like you who have become a vuvuzela for propaganda and falsehoods against the best election yet since 1999. IREV uploads or not would not diminish the credibility or substantial compliance of the process. IREV is nothing but a viewing screen. While you speak so proudly ignorantly, be informed that no guideline can ever take precedence over the law. Guildlines are like footnotes to a body of work. Many results that were uploaded realtime were eventually upturned because of irregularities at the voting level.
Well, you're doing a bad job.
An election that has two states whose results are different from that officially announced can't be called the best since 1999.
An election where INEC changed the rules towards the end of the game can't be described as credible. The rule of fairness demands verity and consistency. INEC broke that rule by going against their own guidelines. Section 2 of EA2022 lists the core function of INEC as educating and informing voters about the electoral process and procedure. INEC flouted that section by basically misinforming the voters about what to expect for electronic transmission of results.
Any results overturned or cancelled at the polling unit is supposed to be labelled so on IRev. It's a testament to your ignorance that you don't know that fact. IRev has a medium for reporting cancelled results.
Go check on the site.
SC has been playing hide and seek with efforts at our electoral integrity since 2015. It was same SC that trashed PVCs in 2015. Same SC trashed INEC server in 2019 and now they just trashed electronic transmission of results.
Meanwhile all the EAs we've had since 2007 have always given INEC enough latitude to determine the best way to execute elections. For example, INEC is at liberty to determine the forms used in recording and collation of results according to EA2022. All the EC series are product of INEC guidelines and not EA and the court has always admitted them. So just imagine that on the eve of elections INEC decides to change the forms. Is SC saying that will be acceptable? What about the voters card? If INEC comes out on the eve of an election to change the PVC format, is SC saying INEC will be within their rights? If so, why did SC rail against and ultimately cancel the newly designed naira notes claiming public interest? Our SC is far from being on the right track in these political cases.

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Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by DMerciful(m): 8:54pm On Nov 06, 2023
You're giving excuses for criminality to continue.

People say Nigeria is unique, unique in corruption
Pakute:

Our election processes are not the same.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 9:40pm On Nov 06, 2023
Kukutente23 thank you for your feedback, however a simple mind cannot understand the law. The law empowers INEC to determine the mode of transmission which must howeveq be consistent with the law and manual collation is the provision of the law. As a matter of fact, the court could have cancelled the election if manual collation was abadoned. PVC, Inec server and other bullshit are not in the law.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Pakute: 9:42pm On Nov 06, 2023
DMerciful:
You're giving excuses for criminality to continue.

People say Nigeria is unique, unique in corruption
Trump is still saying the same thing but US is moving on.
Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Kukutente23: 10:20pm On Nov 06, 2023
Pakute:
Kukutente23 thank you for your feedback, however a simple mind cannot understand the law. The law empowers INEC to determine the mode of transmission which must howeveq be consistent with the law and manual collation is the provision of the law. As a matter of fact, the court could have cancelled the election if manual collation was abadoned. PVC, Inec server and other bullshit are not in the law.
This is where you always miss it. Are we discussing collation or transmission of results? The law also empowers INEC on voters card, electronic registry and electoral forms. PvC is not in the law yet you have it don't you? That's exactly my point. There is nothing like manual collation in our EA. If you have it share with me. The word collation simply means adding up the results at ward, area, state level as the case may be. It is practically impossible to do collation manually.

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Re: IREV Was Uploaded Realtime Yet There Are Still Many Litigations by Odibembem: 5:30am On Nov 07, 2023
DMerciful:
If you don't know what technicality means, I cannot help you

Oga technicality has no meaning in law,u only hear other people say it and u join them in using the term. People merely use it to refer to judges sticking to the very letters of d law. The law says u cannot bring in new evidence at the Supreme Court, u still go ahead to present such, d evidence is tossed away according to the law, u cry technicality. The law says criminal matters can not be originated at the SC, u still go ahead to urge d SC to assume original jurisdiction over a criminal matter, d judges refuse cos the law says they should refuse, u cry technicality. The law gives u 21 days to file all your grounds for contesting an election result declaration, u wait for 5 months then introduce a fresh ground, d SC rightly tosses it away, u cry technicality.
What u call technicalities are d basic foundation of our laws, set them aside and u deliver injustice to d other party. Take a case of d Chicago deposition. Deposition is not a court judgement, it's a statement of evidence by a witness. Now u did a deposition that was not sanctioned first by a Nigerian court, all those u sued in Nigeria like d APC and INEC (who are actually d first respondents), u never invited them to d deposition so they never had d chance to also cross examine d deponents, d rules of deposition in d US are different in Nigeria cos in Nigeria it has to be in a court room, u bring such deposition and want d SC to accept it. If d SC does, are they also going to give d respondents d time go and bring their own evidence to counter whatever u are saying in d deposition? Cos d deposition is merely statement by witness was not a court judgement. And d SC has less than 30 days from that day to conclude on d matter. These are things u should had done at d trial stage, if d SC accepts it at d stage it would do great injustice to d other party.
Forgery is criminal, to pronounce a document is forged, u need a police report and forensic investigation. U fail to do that and wants to ambush d SC at d last minute. Totally unacceptable and illegal. And to cover up, u claim it's technicalities. No it's not technicalities, it's the law!

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