Think it's more of the latter than former plus when the prevailing attitude to SE invitations is if you're not foreign based you won't get a look in that further spurs the desperation to go overseas.

To be fair a good number of home based players have always been called up to the national team in recent years but the process has been completely abused by officials looking for short term monetary gain in form of player transfers to back water leagues in Europe rather than an opportunity to give truly exceptional local talent exposure.

Danielnino00:

I think the problem with getting players from the NPFL into the super eagles now is that most of these players are looking for an easy route to play abroad. You invite one of them now, and in a few months, his agent would be looking for a club for him somewhere in the middle east or obscure European league.
Its either our league is no longer producing quality players good enough to make it into some decent European teams or the players and their agents are just impatient.

codemaniacs:


Fluency in English is not a sign that a person is super bright.. that's colonial mentality.

His name has both Jerome and Adams in it that means he will align towards English and since english is an official language in Nigeria then he has to learn it.

When next you wanna quote a write up, try to read with compression firstly.


The post you quoted came in paragraphs. First paragraph talked about his intelligence while the second paragraph talked about his good use of English.


Where did you read that his good use of English is why I consider him intelligent? Have you even listened to this boy talk?

ChrisKels:


When next you wanna quote a write up, try to read with compression firstly.


The post you quoted came in paragraphs. First paragraph talked about his intelligence while the second paragraph talked about his good use of English.


Where did you read that his good use of English is why I consider him intelligent? Have you even listened to this boy talk?

When you want to quote a write up with intention to defending your own write up that was quoted, ensure you have the intelligence to understand your own write up.

It is foolishness and un-intelligent to argue about another race indigenous language.

codemaniacs:


Iwobi went from Arsenal's academy to SE because he is Okocha's nephew not because of football education.

Osimhen only made 14 appearances for WolfsBurg, that can't be used to say he was out of his depth.

oga iwobi fought his way to the national team

As of then he was highly rated in arsenal youth team and after his debut for the super eagles he made his first epl debut for Arsenal’s first team and did very well

U for kuku talk say na jay jay influence the boy take mk arsenal first team 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Also na jay jay influence iwobi take remain for epl over half a decade now 🤣🤣

charlesemeka85:
oga iwobi fought his way to the national team

As of then he was highly rated in arsenal youth team and after his debut for the super eagles he made his first epl debut for Arsenal’s first team and did very well

U for kuku talk say na jay jay influence the boy take mk arsenal first team 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Also na jay jay influence iwobi take remain for epl over half a decade now 🤣🤣

Players like Akanji, david Alaba, adeyemi, eze, oliseh e.t.c were all highly rated but never given the chance at a young age like I won't was given.

Nobody said "Iwobi's time will come". "He should wait for his time". e.t.c

codemaniacs:


When you want to quote a write up with intention to defending your own write up that was quoted, ensure you have the intelligence to understand your own write up.

It is foolishness and un-intelligent to argue about another race indigenous language.

LoL can you point out where I based my claim of him being intelligent on his good use of English?

If you can do this, I will buy you dinner of 5K.

codemaniacs:

Players like Akanji, david Alaba, adeyemi, eze, oliseh e.t.c were all highly rated but never given the chance at a young age like I won't was given.

Nobody said "Iwobi's time will come". "He should wait for his time". e.t.c

can you kindly list the caliber of players we had when Sunday Oliseh gave iwobi his debut?

Iwobi got his debut which automatically tied him to us against Egypt as a sub. Few of those you mentioned were reached out to once or twice but still said they needed more time just to see if their country of birth will come calling and when they got an invite they didn’t think twice jumping to the opportunity but Alex on first approach choose to rep us.. that’s commitment bro so don’t paint it as if his uncle forced him down our throat


Your claim would hv been substantial if Alex isn’t a main stay in the super eagles since the day he made his debut. He has been an important member of the team from the till date, so literally his talent paved way for him not his uncle

If he wasn’t good enough he would hv been dumped or won’t be starting games for the super eagles even if his uncle is the president of this country

ChrisKels:


LoL can you point out where I based my claim of him being intelligent on his good use of English?

If you can do this, I will buy you dinner of 5K.

Did you read his last sentence? That should give you an idea of who you're arguing with... na small small baba go drag the matter into tribalism, racialism and colonialism.


*sips beer*

My nominees:
Danielnino
KOG45
Super Nerd

Ndidi to Tottenham dun dey gather momentum oo.

If this move happens, where is he gonna play with Bissouma and the little Senegalese boy doing excellent jobs already?

ChrisKels:
Ndidi to Tottenham dun dey gather momentum oo.

If this move happens, where is he gonna play with Bissouma and the little Senegalese boy doing excellent jobs already?

he should battle for shirt.

To make any team’s starting 11 doesn’t come on a platter of gold

For me if spurs are serious he should join them, also heard Newcastle and Villa are interested too

Danielnino00:


Here we go!
Voting of Members of the Nomination Committee
Gentlemen and ladies of the thread, it is time for us to vote for those who will stand as representatives of this thread and partake in the selection of award categories and award nominees.
This year, the nomination committee will be made up of at least 7 members: myself, icon4s who pioneered the award will continue as an honorary member of the committee and at least 5 monikers from this thread.
Every member of this thread is eligible to vote and be voted for. But let's keep in mind that this isn't a popularity contest. Vote for those you believe have the knowledge and passion for Nigerian football.
Here's the rule for voting:
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2) Vote the monikers in order of preference, from top to bot
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4) At the end of the voting process, the five monikers with the most points will join the committee
5) In the event that two or more monikers are tied on points, they will all be added to the committee, as the goal is to have as many monikers to contribute to the process.
6) You're allowed to nominate yourself 😉

Voting closes on Wednesday, November 8th 2023, 10pm Nigerian time.

Thank you.

1. thesupernerd
2. thegoodjoe
3. chriskel
4. joebie
5. kog45

IDENNAA:
My nominees:
Danielnino
KOG45
Super Nerd

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Footballer, Chibuike Nwaiwu, Seen Training With A Club In Israel, Few Days After His Club, Enyimba FC Announced Him Missing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

ChrisKels:
Ndidi to Tottenham dun dey gather momentum oo.

If this move happens, where is he gonna play with Bissouma and the little Senegalese boy doing excellent jobs already?

I expressed the same fears too. I think Hojberg probably wants to leave so my guess is for Ndidi to be a squad player, they definitely need good replacements for Bissouma and Sarr as the season is a long one.

AndSunGorilla:

I expressed the same fears too. I think Hojberg probably wants to leave so my guess is for Ndidi to be a squad player, they definitely need good replacements for Bissouma and Sarr as the season is a long one.

Hojberg is leaving. I heard he is likely to join Atletico

chrisooblog:
We are saying the same thing but in different tones. What I'm saying is that there's the temptation to dismiss all home grown talent because they are at a disadvantage when it comes to facilities and local coaching. I'm insisting as difficult as it is one shouldn't close ones mind to giving a highly gifted Nigerian based player a chance because who knows if he gets the opportunity to shine he might go on to greater things.

Is there any guarantee it will work out? No, just like everything else in life. I've seen too many diamonds in the rough that have gone to achieve great things in the national team to be cynical of their potential.

Bruv you're still on this your revisionism. You know deep down within yourself that from the beginning you never rated Osimhen so I still chuckle every time you use the 'he took my advice' line to save face. Once again to clarify issues for anyone else reading this the reason why Osimhen struggled initially when he got to Europe was because of a combination events including injuries, change in managers, new environment just to mention a few. He was understandably down on confidence and he needed a place that would give him a run of games to build up his form. It wasn't that he was a poor player. The ability was always there he just needed a conducive environment to flourish.

For Iwobi he was already involved in the first team of Arsenal before his invitation plus the fact that Okocha was his uncle certainly didn't harm his chances. To Alex's credit his decent performances in the Gunners first team continued to earn him invites to the SE which he justified.

Excuse but who are the 'better players' that are currently being ignored? Please educate me.

Over the years I've seen a lot of youth players who made it and many who did not . I am right now in Blackburn in the cold and rain watching a game of youth players.

Nigerian players have outstanding athletic ability raw skills and dribbling yes. But game management, football intelligence even the finer technical attributes they struggle. The just have not had the quality coaching required.

When I see a player, l don't use Nigerian based units of measurement but the expected standards that are generally expected in Europe.

You are very correct. AT THAT TIME , I did not rate V.O
he lacked many of the basics and he would not have got into a premier League academy. However, raw athletic ability and blistering pace a big yes.

I repeat I said he needed to step back , reappraise himself, get a football education, learn develop and then move forward AT THAT TIME. My posts were very clear. Thats essentially what he has done.

Now back to the original issues, unfortunately nearly every area of public funded sndbor be directrd activity in Nigeria has gone into REGRESSION.

After 24 years of democracy our electoral system has gone worse not better. The Judiciary is a sham, the legislative a comedy House of dishonourable men and women.

Why then would football be any different.

As a consequence the new breed of top level Nigerian players are going to have their talent devoloped and created in Europe not Nigeria. Whether they are born in Nigeria or Europe is immaterial.

This is the reality.

Another Striker?

charlesemeka85:
he should battle for shirt.

To make any team’s starting 11 doesn’t come on a platter of gold

For me if spurs are serious he should join them, also heard Newcastle and Villa are interested too

With Yves Bissouma, who is much better than him hmmm he could end in up warming bench.

komekn:


With Yves Bissouma, who is much better than him hmmm he could end in up warming bench.

he should join spurs first before you conclude that Bissouma is better than him

Ndidi in the past hv done whatever Bissouma did at Brighton and is doing at Spurs currently so relax


I hate this mentality of advising our players not to move to certain clubs because of the fear of not having enough playing time. The thing dey boil me whenever I see such posts here. A player can only get better when he is playing with and against the very best

To be the best you hv to beat the best

Marjoribanks:
Another Striker?

na midfielders I want abeg. He should play for Germany

We get enough midfielders too. Onyeka, Onyedika, Aribo, Ndidi, and Iwobi. Iheanacho and Boniface started as midfielders too!
Alhassan, Fisayo etc too dey!

charlesemeka85:
na midfielders I want abeg. He should play for Germany

Marjoribanks:
We get enough midfielders too. Onyeka, Onyedika, Aribo, Ndidi, and Iwobi. Iheanacho and Boniface started as midfielders too!
Alhassan, Fisayo etc too dey!

why will you mention Boniface as midfielder? Because say him get good assist stat?

Forget aribo for now, instead you add Folorunsho and Alhassan

charlesemeka85:
Footballer, Chibuike Nwaiwu, Seen Training With A Club In Israel, Few Days After His Club, Enyimba FC Announced Him Missing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The guy Japa, without Enyimba collecting transfer fees. Enyimba no want make him go greener pastures? His face in that pix says it all

charlesemeka85:
can you kindly list the caliber of players we had when Sunday Oliseh gave iwobi his debut?

Iwobi got his debut which automatically tied him to us against Egypt as a sub. Few of those you mentioned were reached out to once or twice but still said they needed more time just to see if their country of birth will come calling and when they got an invite they didn’t think twice jumping to the opportunity but Alex on first approach choose to rep us.. that’s commitment bro so don’t paint it as if his uncle forced him down our throat


Your claim would hv been substantial if Alex isn’t a main stay in the super eagles since the day he made his debut. He has been an important member of the team from the till date, so literally his talent paved way for him not his uncle

If he wasn’t good enough he would hv been dumped or won’t be starting games for the super eagles even if his uncle is the president of this country

.


Names are very important, what Yorubas will say; Prilosec nroni

komekn:


You brought two contexts into play African and European.

You make a demarcation based on exposure and opportunity not sure exactly what you mean. But that for you is component that divides the two contexts Europe and Africa for you.

It's simplistic for me, remember Biblically speaking 🗣️ whatever a man sows he will reap.

The advantage and benefit of Opportunity comes to those who work hard are diligent and prepared.

Micheal Beale was once assistant manager at Sao Paulo in Brazil. He was coaching the U12 development phase in Liverpool FC academy. He is fully qualified and experienced speaking a number of European languages. That is how important that development phase is considered by clubs.

Arsene Wenger once said that once a player is over 13 it's difficult to inculcate natural skill, technical ability ,first touch and flair.

Nigeria football ⚽ development for me is still stuck back in the 80's . Infrastructure almost zero , coaching development not far off, local league development has regressed.

The world football is not at a standstill but Nigerian football ⚽ is in terms of development gone backwards at worst static at best.

Most premier league and even some Championship football academies. Will train 4/5 times a week 2/3 hour sessions each from age 7/8 with top quality level coaches, they will play games and tournament across Europe even America.

I brought one of my friends to a Premier League academy u12 near 3 hour training session. He was astounded at the level of football intelligence, technical ability,skill , game management, physical fitness, etc.

Jude Bellingham was sponsored by Adidas at 13 , who have a data base of top potential players across Europe and the Americans from age 12. It's done with objective measurement and appraisal by top coaches.

There are certain basic skill sets that your average players coming out of an academy will have. Most Nigerian players will excel in some areas particularly athletic ability sometimes dribbling but have poor football intelligence and game management.

Our local coaches who don't have the same competencies as European coaches cannot produce the same thing with little or no infrastructure as well as coaching acumen.

But you want those limited knowledge local coaches to assess players and set up a team and decide who is best . If you have better players and you can't make them work sack the coach. Our coaches also unfortunately have conflicting interests and agendas.

I have noticed that when players from Nigeria get to top academies they don't hit the ground running they take time to learn and unlearn ( nonsense they have been taught in Nigeria) quite often.

Mikel obi was an exception hit the ground running but most struggle to find thier way and some never do unfortunately.

When V.O. first got to Wolfsburg he was completely out of his depth and at THAT TIME would not have got into any top academy.

I ADVISED he reinvent himself drop to a lower league, learn develop and then move up, when the his football education would be complete. That's exactly what he had done.

Iwobi went straight from Arsenal academy to the SE ,why he already had the football education to compete.

It should be the best players in the best clubs and leagues that should be selected. We are essentially ignoring better players for those who have stayed longer in the SE. In must cases without competition, that is enthroning MEDIOCRITY.

Jude Bellingham in the morning. Afternoon, night. Twice on Sundays. Use some other person. It's becoming stale already.

Icon4s:

The guy Japa, without Enyimba collecting transfer fees. Enyimba no want make him go greener pastures? His face in that pix says it all

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

charlesemeka85:
he should join spurs first before you conclude that Bissouma is better than him

Ndidi in the past hv done whatever Bissouma did at Brighton and is doing at Spurs currently so relax


I hate this mentality of advising our players not to move to certain clubs because of the fear of not having enough playing time. The thing dey boil me whenever I see such posts here. A player can only get better when he is playing with and against the very best

To be the best you hv to beat the best

I am beginning to love bro Emeka oooo.. The axiom is true; to be the best you av to beat the best. And you don’t know a true worth of a man until he’s challenged.

Boniface actually started playing as a number 10! You can read the interview here!
https://www.pulsesports.ug/football/story/victor-boniface-im-different-because-i-dont-watch-strikers-2023091320515241689
Aribo is an attacking midfielder and more technical! Different profile to those two. Don't let Folorunsho deflected goal deceive you ooo!

charlesemeka85:
why will you mention Boniface as midfielder? Because say him get good assist stat?

Forget aribo for now, instead you add Folorunsho and Alhassan

Much better than Ndidi? lol!

komekn:


With Yves Bissouma, who is much better than him hmmm he could end in up warming bench.

Absolutely wrong. The Isreali club should be dragged to FIFA by Enyimba! How do you expect our league to develop when these teams prey on our players? Pathetic!

charlesemeka85:
Footballer, Chibuike Nwaiwu, Seen Training With A Club In Israel, Few Days After His Club, Enyimba FC Announced Him Missing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣