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Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 12:41pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
I'm still saying the same thing that the only sin our brother was battling back then was violence due to anger NOT ROBBERY like your BORN AGAIN ARMED ROBBER! cheesy
You are not saying the same thing. Today you are comparing his actions to that of Jesus Christ.
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:42pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
Sorry to say but you have no shame.
Yesterday you openly said Paul committed a sin but today you compare his actions to that of Christ.
You are a very dishonest person.
I have not for a second condemned Paul. I did not even say Paul committed a sin.
But not you see yourself arguing against your own words.
Funny people.
An organization that lacks integrity.
You're the shameless person here who said a BORN AGAIN Christian can still be an ARMED ROBBER! cheesy

Paul himself said he's still battling with sin {Romans 7:15-25} and i taught you that don't think it's ROBBERY O it's violence that our brother is battling.

So don't lie! wink
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by cornelboy(f): 12:43pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
To be born again means to be born of water and the spirit.
As for what is Paradise, let's look to Paul to learn more.
1 Corinthians 12
I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knowethwink such an one caught up to the third heaven.

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knowethwink

4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

He called paradise the 3rd heaven so it's clearly not on earth but in heaven.
It's also the place where we have the tree of life. This is the best I can do and I hope it helps
Now what's the difference between God's kingdom and paradise?

According to Jesus criteria for entering God's kingdom which are; getting baptised by water and by the spirit, was the thief a born again, will he enter God's kingdom?

See it's okay if you conclude that the bible is contradictory. If you think it's not, you might want to explain what you understand about the matter.
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 12:45pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
You're the shameless person here who said a BORN AGAIN Christian can still be an ARMED ROBBER!
Since my discussion with you, I have never told a single lie but only yesterday you called out Paul and today you compare that very action to Jesus Christ.
You claim a born again can do no wrong but now you have to admit that Paul did wrong.
Do you see how worthless your words are?
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 12:47pm On Dec 06, 2023
cornelboy:
Now what's the difference between God's kingdom and paradise?

According to Jesus criteria for entering God's kingdom which are; getting baptised by water and by the spirit, was the thief a born again, will he enter God's kingdom?

See it's okay if you conclude that the bible is contradictory. If you think it's not, you might want to explain what you understand about the matter.
Good question.
Now my answer.
1. The bible did not state if he was born again
2. Even if he wasn't, he would need to be before entering the kingdom of God.
So you see either way, Jesus does not lie
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:47pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
You are not saying the same thing. Today you are comparing his actions to that of Jesus Christ.
You quoted Jesus out of context that's why i called your attention to what Jesus himself said so you can see that you need to reason deeply before concluding on what you read.

If you think calling someone a FOOL is the same sin as being an ARMED ROBBER then i will show you that both Jesus and Paul called people FOOLS yet none of them was an ARMED ROBBER! cheesy
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:53pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
Since my discussion with you, I have never told a single lie but only yesterday you called out Paul and today you compare that very action to Jesus Christ.
You claim a born again can do no wrong but now you have to admit that Paul did wrong.
Do you see how worthless your words are?
Please quote where i typed the highlighted! cheesy
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 12:57pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
You quoted Jesus out of context that's why i called your attention to what Jesus himself said so you can see that you need to reason deeply before concluding on what you read.

If you think calling someone a FOOL is the same sin as being an ARMED ROBBER then i will show you that both Jesus and Paul called people FOOLS yet none of them was an ARMED ROBBER! cheesy
You compared a sin to the action of Jesus Christ for argument sake. Shame.
Again the verse you quoted from Peter also mentioned wrongdoing as one of the things you claim a born again can't do. Based on you answer yesterday, Paul did wrong in calling people fools do you still think he was born again or was he just following the example of Jesus Christ.
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 12:59pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Please quote where i typed the highlighted! cheesy
You forgot, wrongdoing is among the sins Peter called out in the verse you quoted. Pls read the verse again.
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:04pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
You compared a sin to the action of Jesus Christ for argument sake. Shame.
Again the verse you quoted from Peter also mentioned wrongdoing as one of the things you claim a born again can't do. Based on you answer yesterday, Paul did wrong in calling people fools do you still think he was born again or was he just following the example of Jesus Christ.
You quoted Jesus out of context otherwise if we're to go by your one way traffic interpretation Jesus himself was wrong because he called some people "FOOLS"

So are you ready to learn the difference or you're still puffed up with pride? cheesy
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:07pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
You forgot, wrongdoing is among the sins Peter called out in the verse you quoted. Pls read the verse again.
This is the same thing we're saying! cheesy

Wrongdoing as in SOCIETAL CRIME or what one religion teaches that's against another religion? cheesy

I taught you yesterday that when talking about wrongdoing Peter wasn't talking about religious laws but SOCIETAL as in what is wrong from the perspective of all kinds of people religious or not? cheesy
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 1:17pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
This is the same thing we're saying! cheesy

Wrongdoing as in SOCIETAL CRIME or what one religion teaches that's against another religion? cheesy

I taught you yesterday that when talking about wrongdoing Peter wasn't talking about religious laws but SOCIETAL as in what is wrong from the perspective of all kinds of people religious or not? cheesy
Oga please use you dictionary. A wrong doer does not mean a criminal. You are not talking to an illiterate JW member
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 1:19pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
You quoted Jesus out of context otherwise if we're to go by your one way traffic interpretation Jesus himself was wrong because he called some people "FOOLS"

So are you ready to learn the difference or you're still puffed up with pride? cheesy
I was not the one that called Paul's action a sin neither was I the one who brought up Jesus in this matter. You are confusing my actions with yours.
And yés the gospel of Jesus Christ is a one way street. No private interpretation.
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:30pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
Oga please use you dictionary. A wrong doer does not mean a criminal. You are not talking to an illiterate JW member
Wrongdoer means what to you Sir?

In any society when we say someone has done what is WRONG it generally means against the law and Peter was talking about what is wrong in all human society so stop deceiving yourself! cheesy
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:33pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
gospel of Jesus Christ is a one way street. No private interpretation.
So in a nutshell Jesus calling people FOOLS is also a sinner shey? cheesy

You must learn by force by fire today.

Go and call your friend because i have ignored that one no matter what he type i will not respond to him but it's like he often boost your ego with his trolling.

The context differs or Jesus himself has sinned.
Pick one! cheesy
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 1:42pm On Dec 06, 2023
[quote author=MaxInDHouse post=127345967]As in a nutshell Jesus calling people FOOLS is also a sinner shey? cheesy
It was you that brought Jesus Christ calling people fools. Now you need me to clean your shit?
It was also you that said Paul committed a sin yesterday. So where exactly do you stand? And why do you think I should clean your shit for you

Please go back and read who brought up Jesus Christ in this and who compare Jesus actions to Paul.
Don't confuse yourself
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 1:43pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Wrongdoer means what to you Sir?

In any society when we say someone has done what is WRONG it generally means against the law and Peter was talking about what is wrong in all human society so stop deceiving yourself! cheesy
I do not define the meaning of words, I am not your dictionary.
A wrong doer is anyone that does wrong.
Peter was not talking about what is wrong in all human society,He never mentioned that he was talking about all society. Peter had no idea of what is wrong in all society. He was not a social scientist
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:52pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
It was you that brought Jesus Christ calling people fools. Now you need me to clean your shit?
It was also you that said Paul committed a sin yesterday. So where exactly do you stand? And why do you think I should clean your shit for you

Please go back and read who brought up Jesus Christ in this and who compare Jesus actions to Paul.
Don't confuse yourself
Guy Jesus didn't mean that a Christian shouldn't call someone FOOL when the person goes contrary to what is scriptural that would be tantamount to condemning himself because he called Pharisees FOOLS.

What Jesus meant is for a Christian not to address his fellow believer as FOOL based on personal differences.

Do you get it now? cheesy
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:55pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
A wrong doer is anyone that does wrong.
Let's base our understanding on this.

So what could be the WRONG Peter was talking about, is it all forms of wrong or wrongdoings that's a crime in the society we live? wink
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:17pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
Here are your words it was you who said he sined not me.
That's what happens when you tell too many lies, you get caught and then start shifting blame
You catch him seriously grin grin grin
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:22pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
Peter never listed the things born again can never do.

You are at least a bit educated. If Peter was warning the Christians against certain things, it's because he knew they were capable of such.
I tried to teach you that it's stupid to advise a blind deaf man against pornography. You don't warn someone against something he can commit. Please stop making yourself seem uneducated
For example when people said.......

Beloved, I urge you as foreigners and temporary residents to keep abstaining from fleshly desires, which wage war against you.

That's a counsel that they need to heed.
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:25pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Anger differs from bitterness note that Jesus also called people "FOOLS" {Matthew 23:17} so the context differs but neither Jesus nor Paul was an armed robber! cheesy
Madness and insanities peddling peddler runs from anger to bitterness grin grin grin
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:27pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
They've mixed it all up that's why they can't say for sure what is right or wrong what can lead one to Paradise or destruction.

They're totally confused.

And when JWs want to help them they will start arguing blindly! cheesy
Not like your GODS who said christendom are teaching falsehood only to turn 360 and say what they say christendom are teaching as falsehood is indeed the truth about God's word grin grin grin grin

Integrity far from you and them grin grin grin grin
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:29pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you've been doing guesswork all this while that's why you can't answer any scriptural questions straight ahead all you do is quote and fail to substantiate anyone can do that even Boko Haram are quoting the Bible before killing people! cheesy
Culprit pointing fingers at others grin grin grin grin
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by tctrills(op): 2:31pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Let's base our understanding on this.

So what could be the WRONG Peter was talking about, is it all forms of wrong or wrongdoings that's a crime in the society we live? wink
He never mentioned he was talking about crime in our society please where did he say he was talking about crime in our society?
I would agree I have no integrity if you point any statement that shows Peter was talking about crimes in the society.
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:31pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Before you condemn Paul condemn Jesus too both of them called people "FOOLS"

That's what happens when you feel you're too big to be taught! cheesy
You want him to join you in your lawlessness and iniquities of assigning what is sin and crime to born again and what is not by your brains filled with madness and insanities peddling of speculations and assumptions grin grin grin
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:34pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
You're just hiding behind a finger come out openly and i will teach you.

I quoted Paul saying he's still battling with the tendency to sin and you quickly concluded that he must be commiting serious sin secretly that's why i point out that it's violence that the servant of God is battling not ROBBERY like your BORN AGAIN ARMED ROBBER! cheesy
See the liar quickly introduced serious sin secretly. Your GOD loves violence that Paul is battling with grin grin grin grin that's a minor sin grin grin grin

He will still deny this very soon
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:35pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
Sorry to say but you have no shame.
Yesterday you openly said Paul committed a sin but today you compare his actions to that of Christ.
You are a very dishonest person.
I have not for a second condemned Paul. I did not even say Paul committed a sin.
But not you see yourself arguing against your own words.
Funny people.
An organization that lacks integrity.
MaxInDHouse take to heart and your madness and insanities peddling brains grin grin grin grin
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:36pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
You're the shameless person here who said a BORN AGAIN Christian can still be an ARMED ROBBER! cheesy

Paul himself said he's still battling with sin {Romans 7:15-25} and i taught you that don't think it's ROBBERY O it's violence that our brother is battling.

So don't lie! wink
You want to start thinking on his behalf to cover your track of lies and manipulations peddling from your madness and insanities peddling brains
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:42pm On Dec 06, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
You quoted Jesus out of context that's why i called your attention to what Jesus himself said so you can see that you need to reason deeply before concluding on what you read.

If you think calling someone a FOOL is the same sin as being an ARMED ROBBER then i will show you that both Jesus and Paul called people FOOLS yet none of them was an ARMED ROBBER! cheesy
See the manipulator and liar saying again......

If you think calling someone a FOOL is the same sin as being an ARMED ROBBER
Now you really need to save your face and head from lies.
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey:
MaxInDHouse:
Please quote where i typed the highlighted! cheesy
The highlighted is do no wrong and your 1 Peter 4:15 you are using as criteria for things no born again can do is......

WRONGDOERS 1 Peter 4:15 grin grin grin grin

Madness and insanities peddling brains exposed grin grin
Re: What Does It Mean To Know God? John 17.3 by achorladey: 2:48pm On Dec 06, 2023
tctrills:
He never mentioned he was talking about crime in our society please where did he say he was talking about crime in our society?
I would agree I have no integrity if you point any statement that shows Peter was talking about crimes in the society.
As in the content and context of the verse is centered upon crime in the society grin grin grin grin
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