blowjohn:




Look, I read the introduction.
Non of all these circulars are needed.
These people are not congenitally abnormal.
They went frm normal to abnormal.


It's like releasing a circular for issues related to murderers.


Why do u think being openly gay carries punishments and sentences in many countries?


It's abnormal to a society or nation.


U that has read the full thing, is there anywhere gay lifestyle or gay couples is condemned?

Ubenedictus:
The introduction of a book is not the book, go and read the document biko.
and the circular was released because certain cardinals asked about it, if there are questions about murderers, why not, a circular will be released.
the practice of homosexuality is a sin. That one is clear even in the document. But blessing are not only for the morally perfect, even sinners are blessed

Ubenedictus:
The pope and tha catholic chuch alread condemns homosexual sexual actions and relationships, what more do you want?

Ajmoziz:

There is multiple evidence of Bishops the world over correcting the misconceptions in the media and you would see if only you look

Ubenedictus:

Of course we are with people created in the image and likeness of God and our job is to help them on a journey to repentance. Jesus came for the sinners not the righteous. I am proudly with the gays just as Jesus was with the prostitutes and tax collectors of his time

Ubenedictus:

In fact a prayer for forgiveness is a blessing. When catholics go to request a prayer for forgiveness they begin with "bless me for I have sinned.
Again all of this was well explained in the document if you had read it you won't be asking all this.

The document stated clearly that God's will it for man and woman in exclusive union of marriage, anything apart from that is wrong.
So when a gay couple come for a blessing, it is an acknowledgement that they too are sinner and a request to they are making to God to grant them healing and the grace they need to live according to his will

it is a prayer for repentance for people who have started to feel the stirring of the holy spirit call them to conversion

Ubenedictus:

You won't be asking all these questions if you actually read the document, because all of these points were well explained

There is no issue with the word "couples" because the first part of what the pope said is that the church does not have the power to bless same sex union because it is against Gods will, it is only the people who are blessed. The relationship is sinful and the blessing is to ask God to heal them.

Even a prayer for deliverance is a blessing, in fact the simple prayer "may the lord bless you and keep you" is a blessing, it is an invocation of God's grace on people. "May the Lord deliver you" is also a blessing as most invocations of God's grace upon people are blessings.

And the blessing the priest should ask for the same sex people is the grace of healing and the grace to follow the will of God which is man and woman exclusive union.

blowjohn:




Nothing to read more. U guys are with the gays

Ajmoziz:


Wrong, the article clearly states we are not with the gays

blowjohn:


Una go explain tire. Instead of warning then and the LGBT community that they are just being stupid and ignorant una dey send circular around.

Something that is purely criminal in many countries

Ajmoziz:


No be you go tell us wetin we go do, God has revealed his plan and we have communicated it in a comprehensive circular and that is enough for us.

buygala:
Archbishop should rest .....


We heard the Pope and the Vatican loud and clear

African Catholics go explain taya

Ajmoziz:


The Pope didnt do what
You have not read the statement,have you? It's painfully obvious.
You see this you are saying what covered in the pope's statement, go and read it. I can tell who read it by the statements you use

Ubenedictus:


Actually the document was not written by the pope, it was written by Cardinal Fernandez in charge of doctrine at the vatican and the pope approved it.
and the document actually specifies the time of blessings to be given, a blessing for healing, that what is good in their life be enriched and that God helps them with grace to conform the lives to his will AKA repentance. The document clearly said that same sex sexual stuff is unacceptable and the church cannot bless their union, so it is certainly not a blessing to "multiply".

Oga all these things were addressed in the document, if you bother to read it.

Even the man who wrote the document when he saw the funny interpretation from people who refused to read, had to come out and clarify again, weytin human beings want. The document is there, read it

blowjohn:



Ur wrong. Or ur avoiding the truth.
The premise here is ' couple'.
Stop changing the narrative.
What wud make a couple go see a priest?


Abi sinners no longer seek God's face on their own for mercy and Grace?

Donedeal1:
This enemies of the Church bribes the pope to approved.

Same Sex marriage

And you were also paid to do

Damage control.

Fighttillvictory:




Read your content, good explanation but amounts to nothing cause I tell you this if JESUS said as much as to see a woman and think negative  you have indeed committed adultery talk more of having sex then you should know that same-sex-shit is a BLOODY sin, this is not transgender that occur naturally it is a sinful craving even more evil than funication and the wage is death though I am not righteous. it makes me wonder why you guys are even defending the matter or u be gay you better stop and get a life. JESUS came for sinners for sure but take this example when the Pharisees brought one prostitute woman for Him to condemn, in as much as he didn't condemn her he also didn't blessed her rather he told her to  go and repent from her way. you might still say I didn't read the context, but as the pope he is the father of the church so his utterance should be gage. even if an angel from heaven comes and tell me to bless same-sex i will shun him or even curse him because it is against GOD

fredie107:
Kaigama God will judge you... How can you say he was misquoted?

For crying out loud, how can you bless what God prohibits?

blowjohn:




The blessing is to ask God to heal them abi?
Ok good.
Since they know the solution why not start healing them. All of them?

blowjohn:




Why are drug addicts, prostitutes, etc rehabilitated?
How can going for blessing br a sign that one is a sinner?

Oh so u acknowledge that these gays know what they r doing abi?

Nd u do know that counselling them is a better way to rehabilitate them?


Why can't the Catholic Church send them to a counselling centre and warn them about how evil and sinful it is?

Why all these long talk. To me they are talking frm both sides of same mouth

blowjohn:



Don't mix prostitutes, tax collectors with gays abeg.

These gays have an agenda. A satanic one.

How come we don't here noise about tax collectors or prostitutes?

How come they are not major issues plaguing the church??

Why is the gay and LGBT thing a thorn in the flesh of both divides?

blowjohn:



So what are gay couples going for blessings for?

Ubenedictus:

Even the catholic church holds that homosexuality is a sin
But also people come to priests and say pray for me, bless me. we are not perfect, we all sin, but the priest always blesses, I wonder what bigotry makes you feel that all kinds of sinners can be blessed in the church except homosexuals

Fighttillvictory:




Read your content, good explanation but amounts to nothing cause I tell you this if JESUS said as much as to see a woman and think negative  you have indeed committed adultery talk more of having sex then you should know that same-sex-shit is a BLOODY sin, this is not transgender that occur naturally it is a sinful craving even more evil than funication and the wage is death though I am not righteous. it makes me wonder why you guys are even defending the matter or u be gay you better stop and get a life. JESUS came for sinners for sure but take this example when the Pharisees brought one prostitute woman for Him to condemn, in as much as he didn't condemn her he also didn't blessed her rather he told her to  go and repent from her way. you might still say I didn't read the context, but as the pope he is the father of the church so his utterance should be gage. even if an angel from heaven comes and tell me to bless same-sex i will shun him or even curse him because it is against GOD

Ubenedictus:

Sinners do whatever sinners do
It is not a crime for a gay couple to ask for a blessing from a priest to live better lives or for something they need. you can go ask them, but I know it happens. People can seek God in private, they can ask a priest for a blessing.

Interestingly enough the cardinal who wrote the communique explained it clearly.


[b] These kinds of blessings are simply simple pastoral channels that help to express people's faith, even if those people are great sinners.

Therefore, by giving this blessing to two people who spontaneously come forward to request it, one can legitimately ask God to grant them health, peace, prosperity—the things that we all ask for and that a sinner can also ask for.

At the same time, since one can think that in the daily lives of these two persons, not everything is sin, one can therefore pray for them [to receive] a spirit of dialogue, patience, mutual help.

But the declaration also mentions a request for help from the Holy Spirit so that this relationship, which is often unknown to the priest, may be purified of everything that does not respond to the Gospel and the will of God, and may mature along the lines of God's plan.

As I was saying, sometimes the priest, on a pilgrimage, does not know that couple, and sometimes they are two very close friends who share good things, sometimes they had sexual relations in the past and now what remains is a strong sense of belonging and mutual help. As a parish priest, I have often met such couples, who are sometimes exemplary.

Therefore, since it is not a question of the sacrament of confession(!), but of a simple blessing, it is still asked that this friendship be purified, matured and lived in fidelity to the Gospel. And even if there was some kind of sexual relationship, known or not, the blessing made in this way does not validate or justify anything.

Actually the same thing happens whenever individuals are blessed, because that individual who asks for a blessing — not absolution — may be a great sinner, but we do not deny a blessing to him.

But clearly we have to grow in the conviction that non-ritualized blessings are not a consecration of the person, they are not a justification of all his actions, they are not a ratification of the life he leads. No. No. I do not know at what point we have so exalted this simple pastoral gesture that we have equated it with the reception of the Eucharist. [/b]

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/cardinal-fernandez-same-sex-blessing

Ubenedictus:

because healing is not automatic, it begins with grace but the homosexual still has decisions to make and new ways of living to adopt. All the more reason why a priest should be willing to pray that God helps the homosexual to transform his life.

Ubenedictus:



Funny enough the document you people are shouting about and you refused to read it clearly says that the Catholic church does not have the power to impart blessing on a same sex marriage.

but you won't read and are quick to critique

Ajmoziz:


Please identify clearly the two sides of the mouth in this matter


https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_ddf_doc_20231218_fiducia-supplicans_en.html#

grandstar:


A decorated donkey is still a donkey. This is all legal speak. Any blessing is still a blessing.

Though the Bible does condemn homosexuality, Christians are to treat all with kindly (Read Matthew 7:12)

Donedeal1:

But I say walk by the spirit, and you will not gratified the desires of the flesh, for the desires of the flesh are against the spirit and the desires of the spirit are against the flesh for this are opposed to each others to keep you from doing the things you want do.
(19) Now the works of the flesh are evident:SEXUAL IMMORTALITY, IMPURITIES, SENSUALITY
-Galatians 5 :16-19
Keep defending the indefensible we shall be here to witness the "blessing of gay marriage".
Then we shall see what the body of Christ will defence again.

Fighttillvictory:

it seems in your bid to defend the pope you have defected to a different topic. The topic here is the couple fact of same sex. If indeed two males or two females come and ask's a priest for blessing fine it could be for prosperity, health, forgiveness and so on. So is same with a man and woman, but here on the topic is this two people (of same-sex) identifying their self as a couple and not in a help asking manner "like please priest we have sinned or we are addicted to this sin" but in a way a man and woman will say it proudly that they are a couple. So just forget it the pope was wrong and is still wrong if he is not planning to change that statement