Lurker4Long:
Off-topic

GreenandGold, another of those Cape windless summer evenings, outdoors at Maynardville, with the Cape Town Philharmonic Orchestra.

Did you just put "windless" and "Cape" in the same sentence?

I have been accused of doing "white" things, but that is extreme for my standards.

Your second sentence was kind of my thoughts

GreenandGold:


Did you just put "windless" and "Cape" in the same sentence?

I have been accused of doing "white" things, but that is extreme for my standards.

GreenandGold:


Did you just put "windless" and "Cape" in the same sentence?

I have been accused of doing "white" things, but that is extreme for my standards.

Odunayaw:
Your second sentence was kind of my thoughts

I'm an official patron of the Philharmonic, and on the fund-raising committee of Cape Town Opera!

Used to drive everybody nuts at boarding school, when playing my "old people" jazz and orchestral music!

Lurker4Long:





I'm an official patron of the Philharmonic, and on the fund-raising committee of Cape Town Opera!

Used to drive everybody nuts at boarding school, when playing my "old people" jazz and orchestral music!

I abandoned classical music in my boyhood. Local man found out the beats and drum is in the blood

I often wonder if the people writing this stuff, ever go back and take stock:

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/01/whats-stake-africa-2024?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=organic-social&utm_campaign=africa&utm_content=2024&fbclid=IwAR38d8fV4eo9SXD1xdgysjHKZFvyb3BtmAv6bzqeApQnt9ML4rJjRo4F0ec

What’s at stake for Africa in 2024?
From a year of elections, to multiple summits, as well as conflict hotspots and debt burdens, 2024 will bring mixed fortunes for the African continent.

EXPERT COMMENT

Dr Alex Vines OBE
Research Director; Director, Africa Programme

Africa in 2024 will be the second fastest-growing economic region in the world (after Asia) at 4 per cent, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), but behind the headline figure is a less auspicious reality.

Fresh conflict, more military coups, the renewed Israel–Gaza conflict and the lingering Russia–Ukraine war are contributing to stifling better growth across the continent.

Many African states were already suffering due to slow post-COVID-19 recovery, climate change shocks, increased food insecurity, political instability, weak global growth and high interest rates. 33 of the continent’s states are classified as least developed. These economic shocks have pushed an estimated 55 million people into poverty since 2020 and reversed more than two decades of progress in poverty reduction.

It is not all bad news. South Africa is set to overtake Nigeria and Egypt as the continent’s largest economy in 2024, the IMF predicts. Some African regions are also expected to outperform others. East Africa, once again, is expected to perform better – location, human and physical infrastructure and politics have contributed to this trend.

Debt burdens
Debate over African debt will be prominent in 2024. Elevated interest rates and a stronger dollar make it more expensive for African countries to service dollar-denominated debt, something that has pushed a number of countries into further debt distress.

At the beginning of 2024, nine African states are in debt distress, a further 15 are at high risk and 14 at moderate risk. Zambia and Ghana defaulted on their debts, joined recently by Ethiopia.

Elevated interest rates and a stronger dollar make it more expensive for African countries to service dollar-denominated debt.

A pan-African payment system that will allow African nations to trade among themselves, using their own currencies, is however, gaining momentum. This pan-African Payment and Settlement System, developed by Afreximbank, is hosted by Kenya. All central banks are expected to join by the end of 2024, followed by many commercial banks by the end of 2025.

Commodities
The focus on accessing strategic and critical minerals from Africa, and protecting their supply chains, will continue to be the focus of foreign powers. Africa is rich in strategic minerals, all essential for modern technologies.

This year will see the first full year of operation of the upgraded Lobito Corridor in Angola, a US and EU-backed rail project which will ultimately connect the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) and Zambia’s mineral deposits to the Atlantic coast.

Due to increased demand and prices, some African governments will continue to review their contracts with mining companies and seek additional value. Major contract renegotiations are ongoing in Botswana and DRC, and there are new mining regulations in Mali and Burkina Faso.

Conflict hotspots
Worsening political instability in parts of the continent, exemplified by the nine military coups since 2020, including in Gabon and Niger in 2023, have sharpened focus on the fragility of constitutional rule. Countries already under military leadership are increasingly unstable, such as Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger, and further coups are possible in them.

The Sahelian region will continue to be a terrorism epicentre in 2024. In 2023, sub-Saharan Africa accounted for 48 per cent of global deaths from terrorism. Attacks have spread beyond historical hotspots such as the Sahel and the Horn of Africa to Southern Africa and the coastal regions of West Africa. Prolonged conflicts, poor rule of law, human rights abuses, discrimination, exclusion and unemployment have contributed to this crisis.

In 2023, sub-Saharan Africa accounted for 48 per cent of global deaths from terrorism.

Other conflict hotspots will continue to be of concern in 2024, particularly eastern DRC, northern Mozambique, parts of Cameroon and Somalia, and another flare-up in Ethiopia is possible. Sudan’s armed conflict could evolve towards a de facto partition of the country.

Elections
This is a record year for elections globally and Africa will have 17 national presidential and/or legislative polls.

A December 2023 referendum to approve a new constitution for Chad, after nearly three years of transition from military rule, is expected to pave the way for transitional president Mahamat Déby to run for president in the 2024 national elections.

In the Southern African Development Community (SADC), Botswana, Comoros, Mauritius, Namibia, Mozambique and South Africa will go to the polls and in the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), Ghana, possibly Guinea Bissau, Senegal and Togo. In Burkina Faso and Mali, a transition from military rule remains uncertain as their juntas keep postponing them.

The elections that will be most scrutinized will be Mozambique, which will have a new president (the incumbent is stepping down), and South Africa, where all eyes are on whether the ruling ANC can win an outright majority.

Senegal’s presidential elections in February will be fiercely contested and December’s in Ghana might result in the defeat of the National Patriotic Party and the return of ex-president John Mahama and his National Democratic Party to power.

Algeria’s and Tunisia’s elections will draw attention, elections in the Comoros, Mauritania, Rwanda and possibly South Sudan are expected to return their incumbents.

Multiple summits
This will be a busy year of international summits for Africa’s leaders. In November 2023, the first Saudi Arabia–Africa summit was hosted in Riyadh, the latest in a growing list of ‘Africa+1’ summits. It attracted over 50 leaders, in comparison to the second Russia –Africa summit in St Petersburg in August 2023, which attracted 17 leaders. Like Russia, though, Saudi Arabia invited countries suspended from the AU.

Will Beijing invite Africa’s juntas to the ninth Forum on China–Africa Cooperation in 2024? This comes as new data shows its lending to Africa has fallen to its lowest level in almost two decades.

International engagement with Africa will increase in 2024, and many African states welcome this and are looking to diversify their global partnerships or revive old ones.

This year will see an increased pace of forum shopping. A second UK–African Investment Summit in London is scheduled for May 2024 and 25 governments have been invited.

An Italy–Africa conference will be held in early 2024 and Rome, which is president of the G7, has pledged to make the continent a central theme while it is at the helm.

The next Korea–Africa Summit will be held in June 2024 and New Delhi has announced its next triennial India–Africa Forum Summit is planned for 2024.

Under India’s G20 presidency, in August 2023, the AU joined the organization and has the same status as the EU, previously the only regional bloc with a full membership. Its previous designation was ‘invited international organization’.

From January 2024, BRICS has expanded to include two African nations — Egypt (representing Africa and the Arab world) and Ethiopia (headquarters of the AU).

Celso Amorim, a special advisor to Brazil’s presidency on international affairs, said Africa would be central to Brazil’s foreign policy in 2024. Brazil is the chair of the G20 in 2024.

International engagement with Africa will increase in 2024, and many African states welcome this and are looking to diversify their global partnerships or revive old ones.

Managing how to promote national, regional and continental priorities with the growing number of foreign suitors will require African states to prioritize better and could result in having to make difficult choices, more often.

A version of this article was originally published by the Mail & Guardian newspaper.

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Lurker4Long:
I often wonder if the people writing this stuff, ever go back and take stock:

https://www.chathamhouse.org/2024/01/whats-stake-africa-2024?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=organic-social&utm_campaign=africa&utm_content=2024&fbclid=IwAR38d8fV4eo9SXD1xdgysjHKZFvyb3BtmAv6bzqeApQnt9ML4rJjRo4F0ec

What’s at stake for Africa in 2024?
From a year of elections, to multiple summits, as well as conflict hotspots and debt burdens, 2024 will bring mixed fortunes for the African continent.

EXPERT COMMENT

Dr Alex Vines OBE
Research Director; Director, Africa Programme

Africa in 2024 will be the second fastest-growing economic region in the world (after Asia) at 4 per cent, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), but behind the headline figure is a less auspicious reality.

Fresh conflict, more military coups, the renewed Israel–Gaza conflict and the lingering Russia–Ukraine war are contributing to stifling better growth across the continent.

Many African states were already suffering due to slow post-COVID-19 recovery, climate change shocks, increased food insecurity, political instability, weak global growth and high interest rates. 33 of the continent’s states are classified as least developed. These economic shocks have pushed an estimated 55 million people into poverty since 2020 and reversed more than two decades of progress in poverty reduction.

It is not all bad news. South Africa is set to overtake Nigeria and Egypt as the continent’s largest economy in 2024, the IMF predicts. Some African regions are also expected to outperform others. East Africa, once again, is expected to perform better – location, human and physical infrastructure and politics have contributed to this trend.

Debt burdens
Debate over African debt will be prominent in 2024. Elevated interest rates and a stronger dollar make it more expensive for African countries to service dollar-denominated debt, something that has pushed a number of countries into further debt distress.

At the beginning of 2024, nine African states are in debt distress, a further 15 are at high risk and 14 at moderate risk. Zambia and Ghana defaulted on their debts, joined recently by Ethiopia.

Elevated interest rates and a stronger dollar make it more expensive for African countries to service dollar-denominated debt.

A pan-African payment system that will allow African nations to trade among themselves, using their own currencies, is however, gaining momentum. This pan-African Payment and Settlement System, developed by Afreximbank, is hosted by Kenya. All central banks are expected to join by the end of 2024, followed by many commercial banks by the end of 2025.

Commodities
The focus on accessing strategic and critical minerals from Africa, and protecting their supply chains, will continue to be the focus of foreign powers. Africa is rich in strategic minerals, all essential for modern technologies.

This year will see the first full year of operation of the upgraded Lobito Corridor in Angola, a US and EU-backed rail project which will ultimately connect the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) and Zambia’s mineral deposits to the Atlantic coast.

Due to increased demand and prices, some African governments will continue to review their contracts with mining companies and seek additional value. Major contract renegotiations are ongoing in Botswana and DRC, and there are new mining regulations in Mali and Burkina Faso.

Conflict hotspots
Worsening political instability in parts of the continent, exemplified by the nine military coups since 2020, including in Gabon and Niger in 2023, have sharpened focus on the fragility of constitutional rule. Countries already under military leadership are increasingly unstable, such as Burkina Faso, Mali and Niger, and further coups are possible in them.

The Sahelian region will continue to be a terrorism epicentre in 2024. In 2023, sub-Saharan Africa accounted for 48 per cent of global deaths from terrorism. Attacks have spread beyond historical hotspots such as the Sahel and the Horn of Africa to Southern Africa and the coastal regions of West Africa. Prolonged conflicts, poor rule of law, human rights abuses, discrimination, exclusion and unemployment have contributed to this crisis.

In 2023, sub-Saharan Africa accounted for 48 per cent of global deaths from terrorism.

Other conflict hotspots will continue to be of concern in 2024, particularly eastern DRC, northern Mozambique, parts of Cameroon and Somalia, and another flare-up in Ethiopia is possible. Sudan’s armed conflict could evolve towards a de facto partition of the country.

Elections
This is a record year for elections globally and Africa will have 17 national presidential and/or legislative polls.

A December 2023 referendum to approve a new constitution for Chad, after nearly three years of transition from military rule, is expected to pave the way for transitional president Mahamat Déby to run for president in the 2024 national elections.

In the Southern African Development Community (SADC), Botswana, Comoros, Mauritius, Namibia, Mozambique and South Africa will go to the polls and in the Economic Community of West African States (ECOWAS), Ghana, possibly Guinea Bissau, Senegal and Togo. In Burkina Faso and Mali, a transition from military rule remains uncertain as their juntas keep postponing them.

The elections that will be most scrutinized will be Mozambique, which will have a new president (the incumbent is stepping down), and South Africa, where all eyes are on whether the ruling ANC can win an outright majority.

Senegal’s presidential elections in February will be fiercely contested and December’s in Ghana might result in the defeat of the National Patriotic Party and the return of ex-president John Mahama and his National Democratic Party to power.

Algeria’s and Tunisia’s elections will draw attention, elections in the Comoros, Mauritania, Rwanda and possibly South Sudan are expected to return their incumbents.

Multiple summits
This will be a busy year of international summits for Africa’s leaders. In November 2023, the first Saudi Arabia–Africa summit was hosted in Riyadh, the latest in a growing list of ‘Africa+1’ summits. It attracted over 50 leaders, in comparison to the second Russia –Africa summit in St Petersburg in August 2023, which attracted 17 leaders. Like Russia, though, Saudi Arabia invited countries suspended from the AU.

Will Beijing invite Africa’s juntas to the ninth Forum on China–Africa Cooperation in 2024? This comes as new data shows its lending to Africa has fallen to its lowest level in almost two decades.

International engagement with Africa will increase in 2024, and many African states welcome this and are looking to diversify their global partnerships or revive old ones.

This year will see an increased pace of forum shopping. A second UK–African Investment Summit in London is scheduled for May 2024 and 25 governments have been invited.

An Italy–Africa conference will be held in early 2024 and Rome, which is president of the G7, has pledged to make the continent a central theme while it is at the helm.

The next Korea–Africa Summit will be held in June 2024 and New Delhi has announced its next triennial India–Africa Forum Summit is planned for 2024.

Under India’s G20 presidency, in August 2023, the AU joined the organization and has the same status as the EU, previously the only regional bloc with a full membership. Its previous designation was ‘invited international organization’.

From January 2024, BRICS has expanded to include two African nations — Egypt (representing Africa and the Arab world) and Ethiopia (headquarters of the AU).

Celso Amorim, a special advisor to Brazil’s presidency on international affairs, said Africa would be central to Brazil’s foreign policy in 2024. Brazil is the chair of the G20 in 2024.

International engagement with Africa will increase in 2024, and many African states welcome this and are looking to diversify their global partnerships or revive old ones.

Managing how to promote national, regional and continental priorities with the growing number of foreign suitors will require African states to prioritize better and could result in having to make difficult choices, more often.

A version of this article was originally published by the Mail & Guardian newspaper.

My sides! This crap weakens me.😂

From Mandela Square in Ramallah, to Cape Town, all of us, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc, agnostics and non-believers alike declare for the world to hear:
Unapologetically and for equality, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

...2....

...3...

...last.

Lurker4Long:
From Mandela Square in Ramallah, to Cape Town, all of us, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc, agnonists and non-believers alike declare for the world to hear:
Unapologetically and for equality, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

You are completely on your own..!!

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-nigeria/

In August of last year, Nigeria delivered the first payment for 12 AH-1Z Attack Helicopters worth a total of $997 million. The FMS case includes an additional$25 million of funding allocated for the Nigeria’s AGI program

Floky215:


You are completely on your own..!!

Introducing Julia Sebutinde of Uganda, who, alone decided for Israel even when the Israeli judge finds against it!
What a disgrace to the law and humanity!

Lurker4Long:
From Mandela Square in Ramallah, to Cape Town, all of us, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc, agnonists and non-believers alike declare for the world to hear:
Unapologetically and for equality, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

I’m all for a free Palestine as well as other similar situations around the globe and all; but what about the Sahrawai or some of those Congolese separatists? It’s a lot closer to home and is fundamentally the same issue. South Africa was the 2nd most vocal anfter Algeria on the Western Sahara situation but now you all have just abandoned them.

Also do Palestinians care this much about Africa?

AskiaHarem:


I’m all for a free Palestine as well as other similar situations around the globe and all; but what about the Sahrawai or some of those Congolese separatists? It’s a lot closer to home and is fundamentally the same issue. South Africa was the 2nd most vocal anfter Algeria on the Western Sahara situation but now you all have just abandoned them.

Also do Palestinians care this much about Africa?

How have we abandoned Western Sahara?
We, unlike some who accepted Moroccan trinkets, stand for principle, and even host a Sahrawi embassy in Pretoria.

What do I care what Palestinians think about Africa? I know what they think about South Africa.

abbati19:
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-nigeria/

In August of last year, Nigeria delivered the first payment for 12 AH-1Z Attack Helicopters worth a total of $997 million. The FMS case includes an additional$25 million of funding allocated for the Nigeria’s AGI program

I dont think will be getting any missiles/AGM-114 Hellfire for these birds ?

Nigerian Army female soldiers armed with Bulgarian made Shipka submachine guns

abbati19:
https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-nigeria/

In August of last year, Nigeria delivered the first payment for 12 AH-1Z Attack Helicopters worth a total of $997 million. The FMS case includes an additional$25 million of funding allocated for the Nigeria’s AGI program

I think Nigeria would be able to get the F-16 now .

Lurker4Long:
From Mandela Square in Ramallah, to Cape Town, all of us, Jews, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus etc, agnostics and non-believers alike declare for the world to hear:
Unapologetically and for equality, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!

So no Israel? and people wonder why the Jews are the way they are

jl115:
So no Israel? and people wonder why the Jews are the way they are

Why would anybody be threatened by 1 state with equal rights for all?

bidexiii:


I dont think will be getting any missiles/AGM-114 Hellfire for these birds ?

I think we are only getting guided rockets which is disappointing

Lurker4Long:

Why would anybody be threatened by 1 state with equal rights for all?

That's not what that phrase implies...

After 4 monikers, i am proud to see the two Southie regulars arguing between themselves

jl115:
That's not what that phrase implies...

According to whom? Just because Zionists use it in a nefarious way as part of their Greater Israel land grab, does not mean Palestinians use it the same way, in the opposite direction.
A free Palestine, with equal rights for all, from the river to the sea!

Lurker4Long:

According to whom? Just because Zionists use it in a nefarious way as part of their Greater Israel land grab, does not mean Palestinians use it the same way, in the opposite direction.
A free Palestine, with equal rights for all, from the river to the sea!

Yeah I don't agree sorry

jl115:
Yeah I don't agree sorry

You can disagree all you want, doesn't change the fact of what the Palestinians and those of us in solidarity with their Struggle, understand what we mean by that slogan.
Some of us still remember how in SA, "One man, one vote", was falsely twisted by the Apartheid regime and its supporters, as a call for the eradication of white South Africans and the imposition of a racial dictatorship.
Occupiers everywhere, have always sought to demonise the resistance of the occupied.

Lurker4Long:

According to whom? Just because Zionists use it in a nefarious way as part of their Greater Israel land grab, does not mean Palestinians use it the same way, in the opposite direction.
A free Palestine, with equal rights for all, from the river to the sea!

You're free stand for whatever you believe in, and I also by no means support murder of innocents. However, please base your statements an actual knowledge and not these delusions. This is the same problem I do have with Blacks in the US, who feels Africans are stupid for having divergent opinions.

1. Nobody wants 'A free Palestine, with equal rights for all, from the river to the sea!'. Hamas does not want it, Palestine doesn't. Israel doesn't either. In fact, making this statement means you have no knowledge of the level of bloodshed and insurgencies that happened between Jews and Arabs when there were 'equal rights' during the Ottoman empire, World war 1, then 2 to the end of British Palestine. If you think it all started in 1948, then you're already brainwashed. At some point Jews even fought the British for Independence and Britian prevented Jews from moving to Israel and jailed thousands for doing so, just to please Arab nationalists, indirectly contributing to the holocaust. Even with both Jews and Arabs under colonial rule, there was already enough bloodshed. Then the Jerusalem Blockade by Palestinian Arabs, after the UN vote for an international Jerusalem even though Jews had dominated Jerusalem since the 17th century.

2. Most Palestinians see the conflict as religious. This is being obscured for two main reasons. First, most far-left groups evolved from racial injustice and have little knowledge and experience with tribal/religiously charged conflicts. This is the same reason they do not talk on conflicts in Africa, except a foreign power is involved. Even if a foreign power isn't involved, they try to indict one with 'evidence'. The left-wing political ideology works from a racial template and falls apart when that racial context is removed. Second reason is that pro-Palestinian propaganda likes it that way, cause it puts Israel as the enemy.

Faithful007:


You're free stand for whatever you believe in, and I also by no means support murder of innocents. However, please base your statements an actual knowledge and not these delusions. This is the same problem I do have with Blacks in the US, who feels Africans are stupid for having divergent opinions.

1. Nobody wants 'A free Palestine, with equal rights for all, from the river to the sea!'. Hamas does not want it, Palestine doesn't. Israel doesn't either. In fact, making this statement means you have no knowledge of the level of bloodshed and insurgencies that happened between Jews and Arabs when there were 'equal rights' during the Ottoman empire, World war 1, then 2 to the end of British Palestine. If you think it all started in 1948, then you're already brainwashed. At some point Jews even fought the British for Independence and Britian prevented Jews from moving to Israel and jailed thousands for doing so, just to please Arab nationalists, indirectly contributing to the holocaust. Even with both Jews and Arabs under colonial rule, there was already enough bloodshed. Then the Jerusalem Blockade by Palestinian Arabs, after the UN vote for an international Jerusalem even though Jews had dominated Jerusalem since the 17th century.

2. Most Palestinians see the conflict as religious. This is being obscured for two main reasons. First, most far-left groups evolved from racial injustice and have little knowledge and experience with tribal/religiously charged conflicts. This is the same reason they do not talk on conflicts in Africa, except a foreign power is involved. Even if a foreign power isn't involved, they try to indict one with 'evidence'. The left-wing political ideology works from a racial template and falls apart when that racial context is removed. Second reason is that pro-Palestinian propaganda likes it that way, cause it puts Israel as the enemy.

I really can't be bothered to respond to this word salad.

I've derailed the thread long enough.
Bringing it back on topic, still waiting...

Faithful007:


I'll get back on this

Faithful007:


You're free stand for whatever you believe in, and I also by no means support murder of innocents. However, please base your statements an actual knowledge and not these delusions. This is the same problem I do have with Blacks in the US, who feels Africans are stupid for having divergent opinions.

1. Nobody wants 'A free Palestine, with equal rights for all, from the river to the sea!'. Hamas does not want it, Palestine doesn't. Israel doesn't either. In fact, making this statement means you have no knowledge of the level of bloodshed and insurgencies that happened between Jews and Arabs when there were 'equal rights' during the Ottoman empire, World war 1, then 2 to the end of British Palestine. If you think it all started in 1948, then you're already brainwashed. At some point Jews even fought the British for Independence and Britian prevented Jews from moving to Israel and jailed thousands for doing so, just to please Arab nationalists, indirectly contributing to the holocaust. Even with both Jews and Arabs under colonial rule, there was already enough bloodshed. Then the Jerusalem Blockade by Palestinian Arabs, after the UN vote for an international Jerusalem even though Jews had dominated Jerusalem since the 17th century.

2. Most Palestinians see the conflict as religious. This is being obscured for two main reasons. First, most far-left groups evolved from racial injustice and have little knowledge and experience with tribal/religiously charged conflicts. This is the same reason they do not talk on conflicts in Africa, except a foreign power is involved. Even if a foreign power isn't involved, they try to indict one with 'evidence'. The left-wing political ideology works from a racial template and falls apart when that racial context is removed. Second reason is that pro-Palestinian propaganda likes it that way, cause it puts Israel as the enemy.

Enough with the bl00dy bull$hit bro. Stop letting yourself be a victim of mainstream media brainwashing.
The only ones who don’t want a free Palestine is the Israeli government and the American government.
The only ones who take the Israeli-Palestine issue as a religious conflict is the Israeli government, I will post a link of Netanyahu quoting the bible and referring to the Palestinians as the ”Amalekites” and that they should be destroyed according to the bible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMVs7akyMh0?si=xTisamQ8Ol2HjAR5

The whole Palestinian-Israeli issue began in 1948. No European country was willing to accommodate the Israelis, the Palestinians did so. There is evidence of this as far back as 1933. And what did they get in return, the Israeli Zionists claiming ownership of Palestine because they believe “God promised them the land”. Meanwhile according to Judaism, they are forbidden to have a nation of themselves. No wonder the people of Dagestan chased them away when a flight from Tel Aviv landed in their airport.
“The Palestinians do not talk about conflict in Africa” Pls explain how this statement points the Palestinians as the wrong side based on the Israeli-Palestinian issue..??
And explain more on what you said about Palestinian propaganda

If you say you don’t want to have sense, me I will educate you by force.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FG9CB-cPIE?si=CN2am5M02Rh6qNEC