Babangidapikin:

You don't welcome refugees they welcome themselves, you can only control there volume..na prayer we dey pray make Nigerians no become refugees because the world go hear am...

You're right well let's cross that bridge then we can decide on how to curb the menace of them trooping into our country uncomfortably remember that was how we dealt with Ghana that time we sent them packing am sure niger situation won't be a big deal for us to handle.

reXurrectionZA:
that is not true, that debt was over due since 2022. besides, it is a new government sir, they cannot be expected to start paying for the money that the past regime stole. Ecowas is simply looking for any chance to engage them, as a matter of fact they shouldnt even pay the debt. Let that corrupt bozum pay it up

Can you show evidence the civilian government in Niger was not able to pay their debt?

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Paraman:
Can you show evidence the civilian government in Niger was not able to pay their debt?

the figure you see there is the TOTAL DEBT of the country. Included within it are debt owed to world bank and even Ecowas since 2020, some have accumulated intrests over time. ECOWAS funds part of Nigers budget and they pay up gradually, this payment was discontinued since the military regime took over. maybe you think Nigeria is the only African country with over due debts.

Lanretoye:
and some fools are contemplating a military take over in Nigeria too

What about the idiots like Sandra Ezekwezili (formerly Nigerian info, whose dirty arse got kicked) and other APC apologists who never wanted people to mention what the so called civilians are doing wrong which can eventually result in banditry, terrorism , separatist agitation and the last but not the least coup , but no ! These idiots will always see things from selfish and political point of view..... are people supposed to be discussing military government in the first place , if not for what these mad men in agbada do in authourity , if the country is not well - run , shey no be everybody go suffer am!?.......

Paraman:
The civilians were not defaulting in the debt payment before the military took over.

Are the enormous and always constant debt not avoidable in the first place if the agbada /babariga thiefs have done the needful with the potential they have , at least they have some resources that never reflected in the lives of the citizens .

Rossikk:


I REALLY WISH I COULD SEND AN IPOB ANIMAL LIKE YOU TO NIGER REPUBLIC FOR 6 MONTHS TO LIVE, SO YOU WILL KNOW THAT YOU ARE IN PARADISE IN NIGERIA COMPARED TO NIGER REPUBLIC.

LOUD-MOUTHED DUNCE.

Shut the fvck up ya dirty mouth there! Are there no people in Niger whose lives are better than your miserable lives!? " Nigeria a paradise "? how can a reasonable person compare Nigeria to Niger in the first place don't we have a greater potential than them in all ramifications!?
Were they rejoicing with bazzoum!?

reXurrectionZA:
the figure you see there is the TOTAL DEBT of the country. Included within it are debt owed to world bank and even Ecowas since 2020, some have accumulated intrests over time. ECOWAS funds part of Nigers budget and they pay up gradually, this payment was discontinued since the military regime took over. maybe you think Nigeria is the only African country with over due debts.

Can you show evidence the civilian government in Niger was not able to pay their debt?

middlebelter:


I am more worried about the consequences of having a failed state as our neighbor. The Niger Republic is failing fast and the Idiots in uniform parading themselves as leaders may not suffer as much as the masses. Another disturbing issues is many Nairalanders hailing the coup plotters. Anyone with a good sense of history in Nigeria will readily know the military led us to where we are today. Starting from Buhari that ended the Second Republic.Abacha his friend has been the worst to date

With deep sense of objectivity and good reasoning, any sensible and humane person should wish for good governance.
The citizens of the country who celebrated the sudden change of government would have done so as a result of bad experience from their previous governments and so if men in uniform will not bring improvement, especially having cited reasons they took power then it's soooooo bad and they can't stand the consequence.
Mine is not to be political, anything that will favour the citizens , I welcome it. Unlike those who will wish evil to the government in power because of their politics or sentiments, let's focus on the well-being of the citizens.

Then in the case of Nigeria, anyone who blames Nigeria's problems on the military alone has a deficient sense of far or recent history or just being a liar to himself.
The civilians took over 25 years ago but we are still here , they should at least add to the infrastructure they met on ground , constant power supply , security, exchange rate , just to mention a few.....Lagos ibadan expressway for over 20 years, second niger bridge , third mainland bridge e.t.c the civilians should have added their own structures and not to syphon and loot money on the so called repair.
We should be objective always in issues of public affairs otherwise we are just playing politics.

Paraman:
Can you show evidence the civilian government in Niger was not able to pay their debt?

i wanted sent you a screenshot with my last message but ive not been able to upload pictures

reXurrectionZA:
i wanted sent you a screenshot with my last message but ive not been able to upload pictures

You don't need to show me any screenshot. Just show me a source from a reputable news agency like Aljazeera that claim the civilian government defaulted


https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/2/19/niger-defaults-on-debt-payments-again-as-post-coup-woes-pile

I'm waiting

DeLaRue:
If a coup happens in Nigeria, the sanctions that'll be imposed by the USA will be monumental.

It will be several times more severe than Niger. The US doesn't even have Niger's time. With Nigeria however, the USa will wield a big, back -breaking stick.

Nigeria will be cut off from all international Financial institutions - world Bank, Afdb, IMF etc The US will ensure no Western country buys our oil or gas. Direct non essential commercial flights to the USA and other Western countries will be cancelled.

It will be economic strangulation very similar to Russia's and Iran's.

Nigeria will crash to at least N20,000 to 1 dollar very quickly. Even cryptocurrency, the US will ban Binance, USDT etc from operating in Nigeria.

All the small boys calling for coup on social media - your eyes will clear.

Don't try and protest o, cause the military will send you to jail without any court trial. They will ban twitter, Facebook, Nairaland and other social media. Abuse your military head of state like you abuse Mr Tinubu, the military will beat you up, beat your parents, arrest anything and anyone living with you and lock all of you up for years. No bail or begging under military o.

Sebi some of you want military government.

Go to sleep with your slim ass ! your narration is non - objective , exaggerative and outdated, government of today under any style can't be so animalistic like it has been in the past..life is evolving regardless of the style of government. So if your parents are in Mali , Burkina Faso or Niger , you can't contact them via social media or phone ..... because you go kill all the soldiers!? nonsense!

Apel147:
In your inglorious myopia to denigrate Nigeria because your obi lost elections, you failed to know millions of Africans trek through the desert to cross the sea to Europe without Visas! Are you now saying those countries don't have level? It's called greener pasture..

It is infantile and Imbe.cilic , if you always attach peter obi to every issue without considering its' merit?
Are you telling me the level of porosity Nigeria has can be compared to what we have in the Mediterranean area ? Go and check, tens and hundreds of Africans die in their effort to cross to Europe, some of them are shot at even on the sea/borders, some are incarcerated with no traces up till today because europeans don't welcome that illegal mode of entry.
very shameful of you, is that your definition of greener pasture?, so if you get your correct papers like the normal human being will do and go to countries of your choice to fulfil your dreams that's not greener 💚🍏 pastures? I dey laugh.

Nahunger

Paraman:
You don't need to show me any screenshot. Just show me a source from a reputable news agency like Aljazeera that claim the civilian government defaulted


https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/2/19/niger-defaults-on-debt-payments-again-as-post-coup-woes-pile

I'm waiting

So is the military government that accumulated the debt in just few months!?😠 I beg DON'T PLAY!

reXurrectionZA

yinkabeauty:


So is the military government that accumulated the debt in just few months!?😠 I beg DON'T PLAY!

reXurrectionZA

Whether they accumulated the debt or not does not matter. The Niger government borrowed the money.

Paraman:
Whether they accumulated the debt or not does not matter. The Niger government borrowed the money.

Yes I know , and I am not against their paying back (this current govt) , I only insinuated that the previous agbada/babariga dudes were the main culprits.

I didn't even bother to waste my time on this lamentation! Obi won't still be president 😜

yinkabeauty:


It is infantile and Imbe.cilic , if you always attach peter obi to every issue without considering its' merit?
Are you telling me the level of porosity Nigeria has can be compared to what we have in the Mediterranean area ? Go and check, tens and hundreds of Africans die in their effort to cross to Europe, some of them are shot at even on the sea/borders, some are incarcerated with no traces up till today because europeans don't welcome that illegal mode of entry.
very shameful of you, is that your definition of greener pasture?, so if you get your correct papers like the normal human being will do and go to countries of your choice to fulfil your dreams that's not greener 💚🍏 pastures? I dey laugh.

Nahunger

Apel147:
I didn't even bother to waste my time on this lamentation! Obi won't still be president 😜

Keep on lamenting, lamentation on you .
Peter Obi is not even in my conversation, I don't do those inanities.

Apel147:
In your inglorious myopia to denigrate Nigeria because your obi lost elections, you failed to know millions of Africans trek through the desert to cross the sea to Europe without Visas! Are you now saying those countries don't have level? It's called greener pasture..

You foooo.oool I don't even have voters card and I don't give a fvck who rules Nigeria..

So long as dollar keep getting high I'm good..

So run off retard.

Every idiot can be anything online! Bloody sufferers 😜

Nahunger:


You foooo.oool I don't even have voters card and I don't give a fvck who rules Nigeria..

So long as dollar keep getting high I'm good..

So run off retard.

We know what you mind is thinking before you think it😂😂😂

yinkabeauty:


Keep on lamenting, lamentation on you .
Peter Obi is not even in my conversation, I don't do those inanities.

Apel147:
Every idiot can be anything online! Bloody sufferers 😜

🐐

yinkabeauty:


With deep sense of objectivity and good reasoning, any sensible and humane person should wish for good governance.
The citizens of the country who celebrated the sudden change of government would have done so as a result of bad experience from their previous governments and so if men in uniform will not bring improvement, especially having cited reasons they took power then it's soooooo bad and they can't stand the consequence.
Mine is not to be political, anything that will favour the citizens , I welcome it. Unlike those who will wish evil to the government in power because of their politics or sentiments, let's focus on the well-being of the citizens.

Then in the case of Nigeria, anyone who blames Nigeria's problems on the military alone has a deficient sense of far or recent history or just being a liar to himself.
The civilians took over 25 years ago but we are still here , they should at least add to the infrastructure they met on ground , constant power supply , security, exchange rate , just to mention a few.....Lagos ibadan expressway for over 20 years, second niger bridge , third mainland bridge e.t.c the civilians should have added their own structures and not to syphon and loot money on the so called repair.
We should be objective always in issues of public affairs otherwise we are just playing politics.

Thank you for your objective analysis, I only differ in perspective. Democracy unlike Military rule is a slow process, USA has practice democracy for over 200years ,yet they had issue during the last election, thankfully, they have strong institutions that could address issue created by Donald Trump.
Taki g a historical excursion of our polity, the military disrupted the 1st Republic, alleged corruption, however, they were not better in any way as far as corrupt practices is concerned, Gowon was accused of corruption by Muritala Mohamed (MM) and the greed for political power and domineering tendencies led to a counter coup that killed MM. Then Obasanjo (OBJ ) got power. Now you must recognise the fusion of executive+Legislative function in supreme military council whichade it possible for them to create states, reallocate resources or redistribute it, etc. Military abused those functions because it was concentrated in the hands of few people having parochial interests.
North had unusual advantage over the South in allocation of power and resources. More states created from the North, fiscal federalism on which the country agreed to at independence was jettisoned by Ironsi making states that are less productive to share Federal favour equally with more productive states. Independence was agreed to in 1960 on a tripod of North,East and West, today the Moth has 3 Geo Political Zones as the entire South , allocating more negotiation power to the North than West and East. Is that fear? Reason, the military boys were from North. Check Abacha and IBB and the nos of state created by them or LGA.
When OBJ came back as civilian, the country was at the brink of distingration due to heightened political and economic tension. National debt was as bad as today with FGN using external FX revenue to service debts, not able to embark on developmental projects. Our external reserve was paltry $3b
Military abandoned capital projects under Abacha and I could remember clear Abdularim Adisa say FGN will require World Bank Loan to repair Ibadan -Ilorin Road, OBJ started finalising it without borrowing a dime.
GDM was started by Abacha,it failed and OBJade it work, Abacha abandoned Ajaokuta Iron and Steel company that would have placed Nigeria on word map as an Industrial and Technical power , he stole the money that would have been used to pay the USSR expatriate, a project that was 98% completed under IBB.
So, it is not true that Military is better than civilian. They are both human, highly susceptible to corruption, the only difference is that I dear civilian, you can talk and point accessing fingers at the thieves, under the Military, you can have the likes of Buhari decree 4, IBB letter bomb to Dele Giwa or or be killed like Yatfua Musa or jailed awaiting death like OBJ under Abacha for condemning the ruling Power corrupt practices.
The way out, let'sake democracy work, separation of power, practical, restructure based of foundation at independence, true fiscal federalism, state police, etc
Thank you

middlebelter:


Thank you for your objective analysis, I only differ in perspective. Democracy unlike Military rule is a slow process, USA has practice democracy for over 200years ,yet they had issue during the last election, thankfully, they have strong institutions that could address issue created by Donald Trump.
Taki g a historical excursion of our polity, the military disrupted the 1st Republic, alleged corruption, however, they were not better in any way as far as corrupt practices is concerned, Gowon was accused of corruption by Muritala Mohamed (MM) and the greed for political power and domineering tendencies led to a counter coup that killed MM. Then Obasanjo (OBJ ) got power. Now you must recognise the fusion of executive+Legislative function in supreme military council whichade it possible for them to create states, reallocate resources or redistribute it, etc. Military abused those functions because it was concentrated in the hands of few people having parochial interests.
North had unusual advantage over the South in allocation of power and resources. More states created from the North, fiscal federalism on which the country agreed to at independence was jettisoned by Ironsi making states that are less productive to share Federal favour equally with more productive states. Independence was agreed to in 1960 on a tripod of North,East and West, today the Moth has 3 Geo Political Zones as the entire South , allocating more negotiation power to the North than West and East. Is that fear? Reason, the military boys were from North. Check Abacha and IBB and the nos of state created by them or LGA.
When OBJ came back as civilian, the country was at the brink of distingration due to heightened political and economic tension. National debt was as bad as today with FGN using external FX revenue to service debts, not able to embark on developmental projects. Our external reserve was paltry $3b
Military abandoned capital projects under Abacha and I could remember clear Abdularim Adisa say FGN will require World Bank Loan to repair Ibadan -Ilorin Road, OBJ started finalising it without borrowing a dime.
GDM was started by Abacha,it failed and OBJade it work, Abacha abandoned Ajaokuta Iron and Steel company that would have placed Nigeria on word map as an Industrial and Technical power , he stole the money that would have been used to pay the USSR expatriate, a project that was 98% completed under IBB.
So, it is not true that Military is better than civilian. They are both human, highly susceptible to corruption, the only difference is that I dear civilian, you can talk and point accessing fingers at the thieves, under the Military, you can have the likes of Buhari decree 4, IBB letter bomb to Dele Giwa or or be killed like Yatfua Musa or jailed awaiting death like OBJ under Abacha for condemning the ruling Power corrupt practices.
The way out, let'sake democracy work, separation of power, practical, restructure based of foundation at independence, true fiscal federalism, state police, etc
Thank you

The question is not military is better than civilian , it has not been stated.
It's about judging each government by what they do , in history there are some military governments who have surpassed the civilian government in performance, vice versa .
Whenever any government takes over power it's not a given that they will be hellish or cruel on their citizens, that's the point and only time will tell.

They are both humans , the killings you cited also occur directly under the civilians , don't let me begin to reel out names of killings , political killings starting from obj in 1999 ( i have a handfull of them) and i know you are aware of this , so there is no need to make a full list of them.

If you say military abandoned projects under Sanni Abacha , the question is what has the civilian done better , are you going to be blaming the past when you have the ball in your court? If you say both are corrupt of course it's fair enough because they are both run by human beings but it's so poor and bad that the structure the military put in place has not been added to or improved upon , that's so obvious at least, without digging through other obscure issues.
Obj you mentioned under him billions were pumped in power project but nothing came out of it all the money disappeared , monkey , snake and all sorts of creatures swallowing money this era , such is laughable.

And from state creation you mentioned, they were able to achieve such with no bureaucracy encounter under any civilian, and what do you expect so you are saying it should have been North, West and East , don't forget it was even more than 3 regions in the past.
North can never be a single region / single geopolitical zone with such expanse of land , Niger alone is bigger than the entire south east and it's the size of south west , so that's no issue.
Don't forget North itself is not homogeneous and not about Hausa/fulani , the military did what they did (Ironsi) to achieve unitary system, any state head is based on appointment and can be removed with no election needed.
With all the low expectation we had of the military (because of their name, soldiers) they still put a fair, visible performance they played a good role in establishing four refineries , perhaps the fear of the unknown would have assisted them in doing so because they always looked back and wanted to impress , fear of being kicked out but these agbada/babariga thieves, they have good names (civilians) , more stable tenure of office and appear friendly but underneath such grace they hide and perpetrate their smooth and unhindered corruption.

A lot of them alive today would have done worse than Abacha in terms of looting but Abacha is dead hence Abacha loot .
Even in the open , what these guys arranged for themselves post office is humongous and outrageous ,in the face of poor performance check Lagos for instance houses and cars ( replaceable) must be allocated for all the past state leaders and other states are toeing the same line.
This bicameralism and these representatives , ideally they should serve a purpose even one house could be helpful but in reality what has been their importance or usefulness, with their pa(s), ppas and other entourage, they are nothing but a waste of natural resources.

A civilian vs military debate is unnecessary no thanks to conscienceless agbada/babariga thieves in Nigeria and Sub sahara Africa.

Come to border communities between Lagos and Ogun you will run back roads are deadly bad and allocation in billions come on monthly basis since 1999, you die if you try to force yourself on the road even on 60km/hr , Dapo Abiodun is one of the worst governors in this century.

I reinstate, I want government that works for the well-being of the citizens and I believe our civilian leaders should do better , we don't have to bring military into the conversation, if there head is correct.

If they don't sit up , the future they are waiting to see is not automatic, we don't want break-down of laws and order, fragmentation & revolution before then.

State police is a welcome development and it came as a result of urgency/necessity a reactive but never proactive action , we have called for restructuring but they were playing politics with it until inevitable problems face them.

They have to do better , my focus is on their performance , even if you call it a slow process ( which must not neccesarily be so ) , they shouldn't crawl , they should walk and not about military vs the so called civilians.

Thank you.

Apel147:
We know what you mind is thinking before you think it😂😂😂

What's your mind thinking before you think it?