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SIRTee15:
■ From sabath to rest to eternal food. As I said earlier I need to change church or attend genuine bible study class.

Mark 2.24,27
[i] The Pharisees said to him, “Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?”......
27 Then Jesus said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.[/i]
John 5

16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

What is obvious from all of this is you have near no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

Ken4Christ:
He says he is. I will just give him that respect. But I will not sit back and watch anyone preach or teach damnable doctrines. We all have the responsibility to protect weak souls.

Do you remember there are false Apostles? No true apostle of Christ would bring the scriptures into disrepute.

No one becomes an apostle just because he says he is. The signature of God must be upon him.

Kobojunkiee:
What is obvious from all of this is you have near no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

What I brought here speaks for itself. U are the one desperately putting words into Jesus and Paul's mouth to fit your bias.

U failed to explain how Jesus could say nobody should be called father here on earth but we do call our Parents father.
Then U claim Jesus meant father as regards the kingdom of God. Then I asked U to show me where Paul said he's a father to people in the kingdom of God.
You went on about how Paul preached about jesus and kingdom of God, strawman argument borne out of logical fallacy.
The kingdom of God is about Jesus and eternal life. So show me where Paul said he's a father to anybody in eternal life. Bring a verse where Paul said I'm a father to you in eternity.
That's my question and U are yet to produce any answer.

Making claims is one thing but defending it with sound scriptural doctrines is another.

Your other claims about Jesus also proves your doctrines are false.
I have asked U to show me where Jesus said he hasn't changed the law..no response. Obviously U thought abolish is the same thing as change.
It's our duty to call out false prophets amongst us who may want to lead others astray.
If U don't like the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.

SIRTee15:
■ What I brought here speaks for itself. U are the one desperately putting words into Jesus and Paul's mouth to fit your bias. U failed to explain how Jesus could say nobody should be called father here on earth but we do call our Parents father.
Then U claim Jesus meant father as regards the kingdom of God. Then I asked U to show me where Paul said he's a father to people in the kingdom of God. You went on about how Paul preached about Jesus and kingdom of God, strawman argument borne out of logical fallacy.
The kingdom of God is about Jesus and eternal life. So show me where Paul said he's a father to anybody in eternal life. Bring a verse where Paul said I'm a father to you in eternity. That's my question and U are yet to produce any answer. Making claims is one thing but defending it with sound scriptural doctrines is another. Your other claims about Jesus also proves your doctrines are false. I have asked U to show me where Jesus said he hasn't changed the law..no response. Obviously U thought abolish is the same thing as change. It's our duty to call out false prophets amongst us who may want to lead others astray. If U don't like the heat, then stay out of the kitchen.

Again, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have near no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

Kobojunkiee:
What is obvious from all of this is you have near no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

U came here and claim Sabath is about rest from labour but what Jesus said in John 5 is an exact opposite.

16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

This is exactly why he said he's the Lord of the Sabath.

So the question now is who should we believe about the Sabath.....Jesus Christ or the doctrines of kobojunkie.

SIRTee15:
■ U came here and claim Sabath is about rest from labour but what Jesus said in John 5 is an exact opposite. 16 So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. 17 In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” 18 For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
This is exactly why he said he's the Lord of the Sabath. So the question now is who should we believe about the Sabath.....Jesus Christ or the doctrines of

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Again with the ridiculous retorts.

25. On Saturday, Moses told the people, “Today is the Sabbath, the special day of rest to honor the Lord. So none of you should be out in the fields. Eat the food you gathered yesterday. - Exodus 16:25

Yes, the Sabbath is a day of rest from the Old Law of Moses. It is a day in which people were commanded to do no UNHOLY work — work for food that perishes. The people were meant to do good(Holy) works only on the Sabbath day — it was sinful to do unholy work on the sabbath day.

John 5 which you quoted speaks of Jesus Christ doing GOOD(holy) works on the Sabbath and every other day of the Week.
● So, how does any of what you posted above contradict or invalidate any of what I stated is equally contained in the same Gospel of what Jesus Christ said regarding the rest He came to offer His followers?
● Did Jesus Christ not make every day a Sabbath for His Followers - John 6 vs 25 - 35?
● Did Jesus Christ not decree that His followers would do the same work— good works— that He did and even greater - John 14 vs 12?

I don't get why you feel you need to argue blindly at all.

Sigh! Again, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

Kobojunkiee:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Again with the ridiculous retorts.
Yes, the Sabbath is a day of rest from the Old Law of Moses. It is a day in which people were commanded to do no UNHOLY work — work for food that perishes. The people were meant to do good(Holy) works only on the Sabbath day — it was sinful to do unholy work on the sabbath day.

John 5 which you quoted speaks of Jesus Christ doing GOOD(holy) works on the Sabbath and every other day of the Week.
● So, how does any of what you posted above contradict or invalidate any of what I stated is equally contained in the same Gospel of what Jesus Christ said regarding the rest He came to offer His followers?
● Did Jesus Christ not make every day a Sabbath for His Followers - John 6 vs 25 - 35?
● Did Jesus Christ not decree that His followers would do the same work— good works— that He did and even greater - John 14 vs 12?

I don't get why you feel you need to argue blindly at all.

Sigh! Again, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

Paul's supposed letters contained a lot of contradictions, and sins against Jesus Christ if he kept those beliefs. You asked for examples, and I gave you a couple. Instead of judging them by that indicated by the standard, of Jesus Christ, you resorted to undermining Jesus Christ -- making a liar and a sinner of him--- to fit your interpretation of what Paul said into Jesus Christ's world, an act against Jesus Christ. Your approach has yielded no results up until now as we still have the glaring contradictions and no logical reason for them to exist with one who claims to follow Jesus Christ. Attacking my person in ignorance hasn't worked for you either. So maybe you should waka pass this wetin you don't even understand at this point.

So if people were already resting on the Sabath day via the law of Moses, then what further rest did Jesus Christ bring for them on the Sabath. You said Jesus brought rest...what rest? For people already resting....
U just confusing and contradicting yourself up and down.

John 6.25 had nothing to do with the Sabath my friend. U are the one forcing it inside.

U said people were not allowed to work for food that perishes on Sabath day but should only do holy work.
But Jesus disciples were breaking corn and eating it on the Sabath day.
What is holy about breaking corn and eating it. They were hungry and they ate, simple. It has nothing to do with holiness.

Matthew 12
At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3 Jesus answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests.......
If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[a] you would not have condemned the innocent. 8 [i]For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. ”[/i]

Kobojunkie read your bible and shine your eyes, don't let a pastor take U run street feeding U with false doctrines....except U are the fake pastor self.

SIRTee15:
■ So if people were already resting on the Sabath day via the law of Moses, then what further rest did Jesus Christ bring for them on the Sabath. You said Jesus brought rest...what rest? For people already resting....
U just confusing and contradicting yourself up and down.

You know the only way to learn the difference between The Gospel and the Old Law of Moses is to study both of them by yourself, one at a time?

For the umpteenth time, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

I can't spoon-feed you details of the Law and the Prophets as well as the Gospel, God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God. You have to dive in and read these things for your self rather than continue to argue blindly pretending that you are awarded some sort of justification by doing so.

Kobojunkiee:
You know the only way to learn the difference between The Gospel and the Old Law of Moses is to study both of them by yourself, one at a time?

For the umpteenth time, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

I can't spoon-feed you details of the Law and the Prophets as well as the Gospel, God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God. You have to dive in and read these things for your self rather than continue to argue blindly pretending that you are awarded some sort of justification by doing so.

Cut the crap my friend. I just showed u your doctrines are unsound and not based on biblical scriptural exegesis, they are man made.
Jesus brought rest on Sabath, yet people were already resting. How can u give people something they already had.
U are only supposed to do holy work on Sabath, but Jesus disciples were seen breaking corn on the field and eating it. When the Pharisees accused them, Jesus backed their action by stating David did similar thing in his time.

Jesus definitely changed the law by making it better. In that way, he was able to fulfil it. We dont need to obey the law of Torah anymore because we now obeyed I'm the law in Jesus Christ.
That's what the gospel preached.

That's why u couldn't use the gospel to support your heresy and false doctrines. When they were tested with the scriptures, they quickly fall apart.

And this exactly what Paul preached- Jesus fulfilled the law and when we obey Jesus- we obey the law.
Paul was a lawyer of the old testament law and fully understood the Torah and Judaism religion.
Paul wrote his letters even b4 the gospel was written, he was already dead by the time 3 of them were written. But Paul's letters were validated by the gospels written much later after his death.
This shows he was inspired to write his letters and not something borne out of his innate desires. God used his knowledge of the scriptures and the Hebrew tradition to set the foundation for our Christian faith.

Put a respect to that name my friend. Paul was a man of God.

SIRTee15:
Cut the crap my friend. I just showed u your doctrines are unsound and not based on biblical scriptural ...

All you have done here is reveal further your ignorance of Scripture, something I have been pointing to from the beginning of this here conversation. You assume that by continuing to assert the illogical ignorance you have of what is written in scripture, you can somehow wash away the obvious contradictions that are the contents of the letters of Paul. Fortunately, the sane are not moved by such foolishness!!

For the umpteenth time, What is more than obvious from all of this is you have nearly no clue is or what His teachings and commandments are. Also apparent is that you do not know much of the Old Law and the prophets. But somehow you believe that by hanging on to your special interpretations of the many opinions you are good to go even if it contradicts Jesus Christ who said that those who love Him are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments.

I can't spoon-feed you details of the Law and the Prophets as well as the Gospel, God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God. You have to dive in and read these things for your self rather than continue to argue blindly pretending that you are awarded some sort of justification by doing so.

FxMasterz:
Do you remember there are false Apostles? No true apostle of Christ would bring the scriptures into disrepute.

No one becomes an apostle just because he says he is. The signature of God must be upon him.

I understand you clearly. Remember he has the endorsement of so many big church fathers we all know. That doesn't mean he is approved of God. But I am just being careful in my approach because there are people even within the church Ministry who are ready to kill to defend their own. I already have enough trouble. It's not everything I believe I say publicly so I can have less enemies and fulfil my ministry with the least persecutions from those who are supposing to lead by example.

How to know those hearing from Jesus.

According to God's word (Bible) Jesus is the only begotten Son of God who once walked this planet as a human but no longer here now as one rather he has returned to the spirit realm. Therefore it's a bit difficult to identify those having anything to do with Jesus most especially when many are laying claims that they hear from him.
So the question we need to answer is:

How do we figure out those hearing from Jesus?

First of all Jesus is no man's family because he never came through sexual relations he is from the realms above (heaven) while all other humans are from the realms below (earth) John 8:23

Secondly he referred to his closest confidants as friends and gave them a commandment that they must have love among themselves adding that this will be the indisputable sign they are his friends! John 13:34-35

Thirdly Jesus' friends are to work as a global team in propagating his teachings about God's Kingdom {Matthew 10:7} this is the theme of their message and throughout the world people will know them as on big and happy family of peace loving worshipers! Matthew 5:14-16 compare to Isaiah 2:4

So before anyone could convincingly say he is hearing from Jesus such a person must belong to the team doing Jesus' work with the same line of thought with the rest of Jesus' friends (disciples) globally {John 17:22 compare to 1Corinthians 1:10} the assignment given to his friends is to continue increasing disciples who are zealous preachers and industrious teachers of God's word! Matthew 28:19

Whoever is not doing this is only gathering gullible neighbours to extort money from them!

Ken4Christ:
I understand you clearly. Remember he has the endorsement of so many big church fathers we all know. That doesn't mean he is approved of God. But I am just being careful in my approach because there are people even within the church Ministry who are ready to kill to defend their own. I already have enough trouble. It's not everything I believe I say publicly so I can have less enemies and fulfil my ministry with the least persecutions from those who are supposing to lead by example.

Without adding 'apostle' to his name, you're not offending anyone. The title is not always necessary in written contents. Take for example, Billy Graham, David Oyedepo, W F. Kumuyi, Reinhard Bonkke, Morris Cerullo, Rod Parsley, etc. I listed all those names without adding any title, and yet it means nothing to anybody. There's nothing abnormal about that.

Pastor Adeboye for instance usually has the title 'Pastor' in his name only because, his first name 'Enoch' is not known by many. So, if you say 'Enoch Adeboye' without saying 'Pastor Adeboye' many people might not know who you're talking about.

When you say Johnson Suleiman, it carries no offence to anybody. When you add the term 'apostle', it becomes your personal endorsement. Mention his name without the title. Let the reader decide whether he is an apostle or not.

By constantly using the term 'apostle' in his name, you further make a mockery your post.

FxMasterz:
Without adding 'apostle' to his name, you're not offending anyone. The title is not always necessary in written contents. Take for example, Billy Graham, David Oyedepo, W F. Kumuyi, Reinhard Bonkke, Morris Cerullo, Rod Parsley, etc. I listed all those names without adding any title, and yet it means nothing to anybody. There's nothing abnormal about that.

Pastor Adeboye for instance usually has the title 'Pastor' in his name only because, his first name 'Enoch' is not known by many. So, if you say 'Enoch Adeboye' without saying 'Pastor Adeboye' many people might not know who you're talking about.

When you say Johnson Suleiman, it carries no offence to anybody. When you add the term 'apostle', it becomes your personal endorsement. Mention his name without the title. Let the reader decide whether he is an apostle or not.

By constantly using the term 'apostle' in his name, you further make a mockery your post.

Noted.