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predictor1:
I didn't insult you. I stated what goes on in my district in Ibadan truthfully. Calling me a liar when you don't have access to a contrary information concerning what I said shows you off as childish and quite unworthy.

To be frank it's even worse than I stated it. The last time I bought power units was December and it was #1000!!! I use a freezer and a washing machine at home and I've not exhausted the units. That tells you how bad it is.
So a GDP per Capita of $4300 is not way ahead of a GDP per Capita of $2300? For a country with a bigger population than Nigeria. I thought you were using population as an excuse. Some of you can be so impossible.
So what? It only proves Nigeria has problems which have made it hard to govern. Hence it's poor state. Nigeria is not doing well. Simple. Only idiots look for excuses to wave away their shortcomings. So because Indonesia became independent only 15 years before Nigeria and because they're majorly Muslims is the reason Nigeria should be far behind. If everyone has this your defeatist mentality, then we will all believe Nigeria can not be saved.

If what you are using for Indonesia's growth is the fact that it got independence in 1945, then factor in the fact that Nigeria is not only an oil giant but also a gas giant.

But Indonesia is oil and gas rich! She exports nearly 10 billion dollars of gas to China every year!

She exports coal worth around 20 billion dollars a year. She exports flat sheet steel as well.

15 years difference in terms of gaining independence is substantial. Plus you must factor in the element of Dutch colonial development of the territory, which was the complete opposite in Nigeria with the British looters.

So Nigeria started from Ground Zero in 1960.

Indonesia has been developing for much longer than 1960. Their first university was built in 1849!

That’s more than 100 years before Nigeria’s first university.

We’re not their mate today, because the Dutch built up the country, even as they were looting it.

Tellmeastory:
Belgium and Germany would be starving today were it not for the African resources they looted from the continent at gunpoint.
Australia, New Zealand, are simply relocated western capital enriched by looting Africa and the Southern Hemisphere.
So this whole nonsense about “brains”. Uzbekistan, Albania, and Tajikistan did not loot and rape half the Earth, so they remain poor, even though they are whites.
So they don’t have brains?

It’s about ruthless greed, not brains.

Yes o, they were starving before they began to colonize African in the 19th century. In fact, before 19th century, Somalia was the most developed country in the world. Are you happy now?? Can you mention a single African country that is complaining that all its resources such as gold, silver, crude oil, diamond, copper, iron ore, etc, have been looted by the whites?? Let's say they "looted" 10%, what are we doing with the remaining 90%? We're still exporting it to them in raw materials and then turn back to import it from them in finished goods in form of vehicles, airplanes, tractors, refined fuels, smart phones, electronics, industrial machinery, etc.
What are we doing with the massive gold and other solid mineral deposits scattered across Nigeria? We're waiting for the same white people to come and help us develop them as if angels came down from heaven to teach them. Ordinary agriculture, we're depending on small Ukraine to supply wheat to the whole of Africa.

Exousiang01:
My sincere apologies sir.
Have a good day.....
Go and continue playing with sand

"When a man stands on The road arguing with a mad man, soon people begin to think he is also mad" - Prof Chinua Achebe.

Apologies Sir!
Have a nice day.
Go & play with your mates in kindergarten.

“Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”
George Bernard Shaw

meum:
Population isn’t an excuse. Start from a section & work your way up with a plan. If 230 million people can’t have 24 hours light then start with 5-10million & 230 million would be achieved in no distant time.

So we should give 10 million people light while 220 million people will be in darkness! Is that what you're saying? Most likely, those that will be supplied light would be the rich! So the poor should remain in darkness while the rich live in affluence! Oga think this your rubbish well. The more the populatiogn, the more megawatts you need to produce and with the current practice of nigerians not wanting to pay for what they consume, how can power generation grow?

Misterone:
So we should give 10 million people light while 220 million people will be in darkness! Is that what you're saying? Most likely, those that will be supplied light would be the rich! So the poor should remain in darkness while the rich live in affluence! Oga think this your rubbish well. The more the populatiogn, the more megawatts you need to produce and with the current practice of nigerians not wanting to pay for what they consume, how can power generation grow?

It isn’t rubbish.
Do you know that there are some places currently in darkness as I’m typing this?

Do you know that there are some places in this country that enjoy 24 hours power based on arrangement with phcn? You don’t know that.

Do you know that some states can build independent power plants & generate enough power for their use while selling the rest to the national grid? You don’t know that too.

I bet you don’t also know that prepaid metering can solve the issue of refusing to pay for what is consumed. If you don’t recharge you won’t have light. Simple.

The light won’t be for the rich like you stated. A zone by zone arrangement until all zones are covered with whatever arrangement the states & the federal government have.

meum:
It isn’t rubbish.
Do you know that there are some places currently in darkness as I’m typing this?

Do you know that there are some places in this country that enjoy 24 hours power based on arrangement with phcn? You don’t know that.

Do you know that some states can build independent power plants & generate enough power for their use while selling the rest to the national grid? You don’t know that too.

I bet you don’t also know that prepaid metering can solve the issue of refusing to pay for what is consumed. If you don’t recharge you won’t have light. Simple.

The light won’t be for the rich like you stated. A zone by zone arrangement until all zones are covered with whatever arrangement the states & the federal government have.

Oga power generation, transmission and distribution is now in the concurrent list. That means states can legislate on it.
And stop deviating from what you postulated, that is power should be given to just one section of the country while the other parts remain in darkness. The arrangement we have now is ok. Any state that feels like, can generate, transmit and distribute if they so which to do so.

Misterone:
Oga power generation, transmission and distribution is now in the concurrent list. That means states can legislate on it.
And stop deviating from what you postulated, that is power should be given to just one section of the country while the other parts remain in darkness. The arrangement we have now is ok. Any state that feels like, can generate, transmit and distribute if they so which to do so.

Oga we are saying the same thing. If states can generate, transmit & distribute and State A decides to do that, isn’t that a section of the country with 24 hours of power? Does it mean that 240 million people will have the 24 hours power?

If I were a governor in my state, I would have expanded my state’s IPP to generate enough power for my people let me see if you wouldn’t be in darkness or ‘enjoying’ the epileptic power that PHCN is known for.

Tellmeastory:
LIAR.

very rude of you to tag me a liar.
If the light condition in your area is good, fine. But I'm giving the situation report on where I live. If you have doubts you should come and investigate

meum:
Oga we are saying the same thing. If states can generate, transmit & distribute and State A decides to do that, isn’t that a section of the country with 24 hours of power? Does it mean that 240 million people will have the 24 hours power?

If I were a governor in my state, I would have expanded my state’s IPP to generate enough power for my people let me see if you wouldn’t be in darkness or ‘enjoying’ the epileptic power that PHCN is known for.

Then talk to your state governor to do his part. The idea of the FG doing everything while the state governors lavish their money on frivolities is wrong

Misterone:
Then talk to your state governor to do his part. The idea of the FG doing everything while the state governors lavish their money on frivolities is wrong

My state governors (past & present) have embarked on federal government projects & I keep wondering why the FG allows another tier of government to embark on projects they should undertake. I don’t know if your state governors(past & present) have too or they spend everything on frivolities like you stated.

Most times the FG ends up not reimbursing the states. That said the states can only assist the FG on the issue of electricity not to take full responsibility. It has always been a FG thing hence the creation of a separate ministry of power to look into that sector.

“ The Federal Ministry of Power is the policy making arm of the Federal Government with the responsibility for the provision of power in the country...”

source: https://power.gov.ng/
Federal Ministry of Power website.

Tellmeastory:
Most developing countries like Nigeria have power supply issues.

It's important that even as we strive to address this knotty issue, we do not lose sight of the fact that it is not a uniquely Nigerian debacle, and is a challenge faced by just about every other developing nation, especially those approaching Nigeria's size and population.



Load shedding in India

''In 2022, the state of Rajasthan was forced to introduce load shedding for industrial and residential consumers as the country dealt with the worst power crisis it has seen in years. Parts of India experienced rolling blackouts for up to 10 hours or, in more remote areas, 12 hours a day. Damaging fuel shortages have resulted in the shutdown of three power plants in Punjab alone. Reuters predicts that India will continue experiencing widespread blackouts.''

https://sambadenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/power-cut.jpeg

Load shedding in Pakistan

''Pakistan continues to grapple with prolonged and unscheduled power cuts. The country’s severe electricity crisis has hit both rural and urban areas with Karachi experiencing no power for up to 15 hours and Lahore going without power for nearly 12 hours. Although officials had announced a plan to conserve energy, there does not seem to be any reprieve from prolonged darkness.''


Load shedding in Lebanon

''Lebanon is another country that has been plagued with widespread blackouts. This is a result of an economic crisis that the World Bank has dubbed as one of the “most severe crisis episodes globally since the mid-nineteenth century”.

Fuel shortages and, according to the New York Times, a “dysfunctional” energy sector are to blame for the power cuts. Similar to the situation in South Africa, power outages are simply a part of Lebanese life. In the last year, these issues have resulted in state-supplied electricity only coming on for one or two hours a day........''.

Power cut, Lebanon
https://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/upi_com/2671633792924/2021/1/85a07346192406042b2c3ac946a401bf/Most-of-Lebanon-without-power-after-plants-run-out-of-fuel.jpg


Load shedding in Sri Lanka

''Sri Lanka has been experiencing months of daily power cuts amid an economic crisis, which famously saw thousands of protestors storming the president’s home.

The breakdown of a hydropower plant and lack of diesel fuel has led to an increase in load shedding episodes. Currently, Ceylon Electricity Board (CEB) cannot meet the country’s electricity demand due to an islandwide lack of electricity supply.''


Load shedding in South Africa

''South Africa has been load shedding for 14 years. 2022 has seen its biggest power crisis reaching up to stage six of its rolling blackout system. Businesses are experiencing power cuts for up to six hours a day and have been warned to expect load shedding for another two to three years. There are two main reasons for load shedding in South Africa. The first is the lack of installed electricity generation capacity that cannot meet the demand, outlined in this article. The next problem is that the available energy is far below the demand for electricity, which is why load shedding occurs.''

South Africa Power Cut
https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/08/14/69/48/1024x538_cmsv2_269221e2-665c-5f1d-b339-70fb23d51356-8146948.jpg

https://elum-energy.com/blog/major-countries-with-load-shedding/

What an absolute joke, none of those countries have anywhere the same kind of power problems that Nigeria has. Nigeria way has less electricity production than those countries and it’s the 6 most populous country on earth.

Tellmeastory:
Most developing countries like Nigeria have power supply issues.

It's important that even as we strive to address this knotty issue, we do not lose sight of the fact that it is not a uniquely Nigerian debacle, and is a challenge faced by just about every other developing nation, especially those approaching Nigeria's size and population.



Load shedding in India

''In 2022, the state of Rajasthan was forced to introduce load shedding for industrial and residential consumers as the country dealt with the worst power crisis it has seen in years. Parts of India experienced rolling blackouts for up to 10 hours or, in more remote areas, 12 hours a day. Damaging fuel shortages have resulted in the shutdown of three power plants in Punjab alone. Reuters predicts that India will continue experiencing widespread blackouts.''

https://sambadenglish.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/power-cut.jpeg

Load shedding in Pakistan

''Pakistan continues to grapple with prolonged and unscheduled power cuts. The country’s severe electricity crisis has hit both rural and urban areas with Karachi experiencing no power for up to 15 hours and Lahore going without power for nearly 12 hours. Although officials had announced a plan to conserve energy, there does not seem to be any reprieve from prolonged darkness.''


Load shedding in Lebanon

''Lebanon is another country that has been plagued with widespread blackouts. This is a result of an economic crisis that the World Bank has dubbed as one of the “most severe crisis episodes globally since the mid-nineteenth century”.

Fuel shortages and, according to the New York Times, a “dysfunctional” energy sector are to blame for the power cuts. Similar to the situation in South Africa, power outages are simply a part of Lebanese life. In the last year, these issues have resulted in state-supplied electricity only coming on for one or two hours a day........''.

Power cut, Lebanon
https://cdnph.upi.com/svc/sv/upi_com/2671633792924/2021/1/85a07346192406042b2c3ac946a401bf/Most-of-Lebanon-without-power-after-plants-run-out-of-fuel.jpg


Load shedding in Sri Lanka

''Sri Lanka has been experiencing months of daily power cuts amid an economic crisis, which famously saw thousands of protestors storming the president’s home.

The breakdown of a hydropower plant and lack of diesel fuel has led to an increase in load shedding episodes. Currently, Ceylon Electricity Board (CEB) cannot meet the country’s electricity demand due to an islandwide lack of electricity supply.''


Load shedding in South Africa

''South Africa has been load shedding for 14 years. 2022 has seen its biggest power crisis reaching up to stage six of its rolling blackout system. Businesses are experiencing power cuts for up to six hours a day and have been warned to expect load shedding for another two to three years. There are two main reasons for load shedding in South Africa. The first is the lack of installed electricity generation capacity that cannot meet the demand, outlined in this article. The next problem is that the available energy is far below the demand for electricity, which is why load shedding occurs.''

South Africa Power Cut
https://static.euronews.com/articles/stories/08/14/69/48/1024x538_cmsv2_269221e2-665c-5f1d-b339-70fb23d51356-8146948.jpg

https://elum-energy.com/blog/major-countries-with-load-shedding/

Give me a pot of what your smoking
https://www.iea.org/regions/africa/electricity

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EG.ELC.ACCS.ZS?locations=ZG

Power is way more stable those countries you listed

UselessBuharist:
Lol, SA is still 100 times better than Nigeria in terms of electricity. Load shedding is usually scheduled for 2 hours daily except when it’s stage 6 then it goes up to 4 hours.

This guy is a joker

Tellmeastory:
That doesn't sound like ''100 times better''.

Doesn't even sound like 3 times better.

South Africa’s citizens do enjoy a much more stable power supply.

World Bank Data indicates that only 60% of Nigerians have access to electricity vs 86% for South Africa.

The power sector is an absolute mess.

South Africa’s like 60 million producing 234,850 GWh vs Nigeria at over 200 million producing 37915 GWh.

Xiaohei:
China has a population and a land mass that is way much more bigger than Nigeria yet the Chinese enjoy uninterrupted and affordable electric supply. There’s electricity, water and WiFi access even in remote villages. Make una no dey make excuses for the failure that Nigeria has become; e no make sense one bit. Nigerians would’ve been living better and prosperous lives if our leaders, and politicians hadn’t been inherently corrupt and inhumane. Stop making excuses for the failure that Nigeria has become. As a Nigerian, my greatest desire is to see a better Nigeria in which affordable electric and all the basic amenities of life aren’t considered a luxury for only a few well-off citizens.

PS: Atached is a photo from a Chinese village.

Even much of the richest neighbourhoods of Nigeria don’t have that unfortunately

Tellmeastory:
Why will India not have a trillion dollar economy with a larger population than AFRICA?

Africa in total has a 3 trillion dollar economy.

As of 2023, the GDP of Africa was estimated at roughly 3.1 trillion U.S. dollars. This was the highest value since 2010 when the continent's GDP amounted to approximately 2.1 trillion U.S. dollars


https://www.statista.com/statistics/1300858/total-gdp-value-in-africa/#:~:text=Gross%20Domestic%20Product%20(GDP)%20in%20Africa%202010%2D2027&text=As%20of%202023%2C%20the%20GDP,approximately%202.1%20trillion%20U.S.%20dollars.

...

And stop mentioning already developed countries like America.

Do you know the US annual budget?

8 TRILLION DOLLARS.

I don’t get your point. UK and Germany own their own have a larger GDP than Africa but a much smaller population.

Apple, NVIDIA and a couple other tech giants have a market cap that surpasses Nigeria’s GDP

Tellmeastory:
It is only COMMON in your REMOTE, DIRTY HAMLET to go for one month without power.

40% of Nigeria doesn’t have access to electricity period

Tellmeastory:
SHUT up with your inferiority complex and ignorance.

There are MANY aspects of each of those countries that ARE worse than in Nigeria.

From rape in South Africa to terrorism in Pakistan, and 22 hour power cuts throughout Lebanon.

So SHUT UP.

40% of Nigerians do not have access to electricity😂😂. I was reading about a Nigerian village that didn’t have electricity for almost a century.

Nigerians talking about terrorism? You rank higher than those countries for terrorism 😂😂

And you think Nigeria records it’s crime to anywhere near as well as those countries do?

ivandragon:
Clowns on repeat.

Out of over 195 countries that have a reasonable level of power supply, you select the 5 or 6 that have issues to compare. Is that not stupidity to the nth degree.

Justifying failure like a drug addict.

None of those countries he mentioned are comparable

Tellmeastory:
Use your brain and stop being foolish.

Why stop at China? Why not mention America and Germany?

China is virtually a DEVELOPED NATION with an annual budget of 6 to 7 TRILLION dollars.

It is STUPID to compare China with Nigeria.

Nigeria is where China was 35 years ago in terms of development.

Back then they experienced mass power cuts and mass poverty.

EVEN TODAY, CHINA EXPERIENCES POWER CUTS.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/30/its-getting-extremely-hard-climate-crisis-forces-china-to-ration-electricity


China’s power crisis: Long-term goals meet short-term realities

''Power outages in China were widely expected this year after the country experienced some rationing in December 2020 and then again over the summer. In early September a handful of localities were seeing shortages, but by October over 20 Chinese provinces were curbing or rationing power supplies, not only for industrial, but also residential users, a rare occurrence for a country aiming to prioritise household energy supply.''

https://www.oxfordenergy.org/publications/chinas-power-crisis-long-term-goals-meet-short-term-realities/


China power cuts: What is causing the country's blackouts?

''China is struggling with a severe shortage of electricity which has left millions of homes and businesses hit by power cuts.

Blackouts are not that unusual in the country but this year a number of factors have contributed to a perfect storm for electricity suppliers.

The problem is particularly serious in China's north eastern industrial hubs..''

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58733193

You’re the one being stupid here. Nigeria is nowhere China’s development 35 years ago. The country is finished. Look at where naira is😂

tuzle:
I can vouch for him that there are some places in Nigeria that see light once or twice in a week. Early this year, I was at asero abeokuta for a week and throughout my stay, I didn't see nepa light. They are fully dependent on solar because of how bad electricity is. I am not counting midnight light here because most times I slept by 1am and woke up by 5am. Whether they brought the light during the period I was asleep, I don't know.

Stats indicate that over 40% of the country doesn’t have electricity

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2021/02/05/nigeria-to-improve-electricity-access-and-services-to-citizens#:~:text=85%20million%20Nigerians%20don't,access%20deficit%20in%20the%20world.

Nato008:
Anyone who says he is not aware that some areas in Nigeria have not had light for years is just been ignorant Sha.....mehn this country self eh

43% of the country has no electricity whatsoever
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2021/02/05/nigeria-to-improve-electricity-access-and-services-to-citizens#:~:text=85%20million%20Nigerians%20don't,access%20deficit%20in%20the%20world.

rationalhuman:
India is one of the largest power producer on this planet, A few years ago it achieved Power Surplus status, that means it generates more power then it needs.

There are more then 37 power distribution companies that buys from their central grid, if a company is unable to pay central grid on time then ofcourse they will disconnect the power.

I studied there and never in my life has a papercut more then 10 minutes. Comparing that giant to Zoo?
I suggest you dont past such threads that make you look like ignorant, Reply me and i will come with data and stats to keep you quite.

South Africa alone is too much. None of those countries he listed have a power situation anywhere as bad as Nigeria. The country does 40,000 GWH vs South Africa at over 300,000 GWH.

meum:
Why do you people like comparing this giant of Africa with these kind of countries?

USA, Britain, Russia, France, Spain, Germany etc are giants. These are the giants you guys should be comparing with an African giant.

Okay if they seem too big let’s come down to Africa. I know Ghana is not a giant in Africa but try & compare Ghana with Nigeria & see how Nigeria is. Ghana beats the African giant hands down on stable power. Even small Togo is doing well.

Can you pay what Ghana is paying for electricity? If you want improved electricity then pay same rate as those countries. Soup wey sweet nah money kill am.

Max24:
Can you pay what Ghana is paying for electricity? If you want improved electricity then pay same rate as those countries. Soup wey sweet nah money kill am.

This argument is stale. Make power available & the economy better than people will pay. Are those countries’ citizens not paying? Stop supporting rubbish by these leaders.

Sladem05:
Even much of the richest neighbourhoods of Nigeria don’t have that unfortunately

True!

Tellmeastory:
Because Nigeria has 240 million people, it's harder.

Same issue with India and Pakistan.

Togo and Ghana have more steady light than India.

It is easier, cheaper, and quicker to power up a small country of 5 million to 30 million people versus one of 240 million or 1.2 billion.

It's really that simple!

By the way, USA, Britain, Germany, Russia etc have been independent for several CENTURIES, versus Naija's 60 years. It makes no sense saying we should be like them by now.

Imagine comparing yourselves to countries that have been independent for over 350 years!

You will just give yourself unnecessary blood pressure.

Story. s/Africa generates 50k MW… for 50m people while Naija generates 5k mw for 220m people.