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Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by Minsk24: 10:04pm On Mar 05
AntiZikist:



Just focus on your Biafra without us.


It's obvious that you are the ones desperate for a political alliance.

If Nigeria breaks up , we will go our seperate ways rather than be yoked by you guys who will turn us to the new Palestinians .

You might have political acumen but you still have a lot to learn, u talk as if niger-delta is a homogeneous region by using the word "we"
A political and economic alliance is necessary for our long term survival, if Nigeria breaks up tomorrow, it is impossible for any union between igbos and SS....the niger Delta will eventually be balkanized or will try to remain united, any way it goes, u need us, as much as we need u, it is common sense....
If u like keep clinging to civil war era emotions and not look at the future....a future of common prosperity and stability....
The igbos are no longer your enemies, we have been weakened and now we share similar interests as entities in the Nigerian state...u talk about true federalism, we want it, common interest leads to alliances...u want to have an independent state, we are in as well, common interest.... you are tired of fulani domination, we are tired as well...
At the right time, these similar interests will converge...
A typical look at the last election would show u a potential political alliance that was scuttled...the igbo pdp governors backed wike, if wike had won, they would have supported his bid.... imagine peter obi out of the picture and wike won the pdp ticker, igbos will vote overwhelmingly for wike as we did for jonathan...
The SS also voted massively for peter Obi...
We have similar political interests...we can and must work together....
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by AntiZikist: 10:42pm On Mar 05
Minsk24:

You might have political acumen but you still have a lot to learn, u talk as if niger-delta is a homogeneous region by using the word "we"
A political and economic alliance is necessary for our long term survival, if Nigeria breaks up tomorrow, it is impossible for any union between igbos and SS....the niger Delta will eventually be balkanized or will try to remain united, any way it goes, u need us, as much as we need u, it is common sense....
If u like keep clinging to civil war era emotions and not look at the future....a future of common prosperity and stability....
The igbos are no longer your enemies, we have been weakened and now we share similar interests as entities in the Nigerian state...u talk about true federalism, we want it, common interest leads to alliances...u want to have an independent state, we are in as well, common interest.... you are tired of fulani domination, we are tired as well...
At the right time, these similar interests will converge...
A typical look at the last election would show u a potential political alliance that was scuttled...the igbo pdp governors backed wike, if wike had won, they would have supported his bid.... imagine peter obi out of the picture and wike won the pdp ticker, igbos will vote overwhelmingly for wike as we did for jonathan...
The SS also voted massively for peter Obi...
We have similar political interests...we can and must work together....

You are all the same. Every single one of you reasons the same way.

So because we in the SS are not homogenously of one nationality that means we are easy pickings to be colonized by you.

If there is any uniting factor among the SS people it is their desire not to be yoked to you guys.


You guys are far worse than the fulanis you accuse everyday here.

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Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by Minsk24: 10:54pm On Mar 05
AntiZikist:


You are all the same. Every single one of you reasons the same way.

So because we in the SS are not homogenously of one nationality that means we are easy pickings to be colonized by you.

If there is any uniting factor among the SS people it is their desire not to be yoked to you guys.


You guys are far worse than the fulanis you accuse everyday here.
Common sense will dictate that the SS will be easy to pick out for the igbos when the time comes, with diplomacy, common interest and strategic planning, the igbos will make inroads to ally with the different ethnicities of the SS.... slowly but surely....
So that's why i don't even bother about people like you , when its time it will happen loud and clear, the time when we will put economic growth and stability over trivial matters that people like you keep grieving over ...
It bn over 60 years since the end of the war, yet u don't want to see the bigger picture and u call urself a political analyst grin
Even Russia and Ukraine will mend ties after the war despite the emotions ...that is sense, as long as there's a bigger picture,u must put ur emotions aside and go for economic gains...
I understand your fears as we will always be neighbors and u may consider us belligerent...but such fears can only be dispelled by close co-operation...
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by Minsk24: 11:03pm On Mar 05
I should also let u know that the igbo speaking ethnicities that have denied their ancestry in the SS will be easy pickings to ally with...all it will take is a massive soft power push, closer people to people exchanges... get the traditional rulers in line to ensure closer cultural exchanges...within a couple of years, such soft power will begin to erode ill feelings of the past, ...blood is thicker than water ...
For the igboid groups of SS, we speak same language, same customs, at the right time they will no longer deny their roots, even tho some of them have external influence of other ethnicities like the ikwerre people whose founder immigrated from benin....at the right time, we will utilize similar cultural relations for political gains....
The igbos and ijaws are the biggest nations in the region, we can either work together or hustle for influence... either way, there must be peace and stability in the region
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by hodari: 12:09am On Mar 06
AntiZikist:



The Jacobin led french Revolution was successful because the homogeneous population was incited against the Royalty and Aristocratic class.

In Tsarist Russia, the Bolsheviks who led the revolution incited class divisions and recruited and promoted the dredges of society into its ranks
(Bioleninism).

Nigeria can never be a communist society because we are all strongly proud nationalists .

The foolishness of Jan 15 1966 has to be the greatest miscalculation ever made.


In his infamous speech ushering decree 34, Ironsi defending the abrogation of regions for a centrist one by blaming ethnic chauvinism
He even hinted on dissolving all traditional rulers.

That's to show you that the coup plotters had a communist bent despite Nigeria being staunchly anti Soviet Union during the first Republic.





All Jews. Those people love anarchy but only in other people's land.

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Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by Ofodirinwa: 12:15am On Mar 06
Minsk24:
I have seen posts making the rounds about potential revolution in Nigeria, stemming from the new trend of looting grains....but what revolution are we really talking about?
In an autocracy, or an authoritarian democracy, revolution is easier to achieve because u have a particular ruling elite class, so the citizen's anger is directed towards a particular set of people, paving the way for an untested opposition to come to power if the revolution is successful...
But Nigeria is a liberal democracy, we do not have a particular set of ruling elites and an untested opposition, the apc members u see today can defect tomorrow, the PDP members u see today can defect tomorrow, we have a multi-party parliament, we have lots of states with opposition parties as governors...
We have elections, even tho not free and fair, but the ruling party and opposition both have machinery to rig elections.....
The ruling apc is voted into power by a large number of people, bothe in federal and state level, same with the opposition parties...
So if u talk of revolution in Nigeria, what does it mean if people take to the streets and say enough is enough, will the aim be to overthrow the tinubu administration? Even if he steps down, is it not the same APC that will take power? If APC is overthrown, PDP will come to power, same people, then APC members will defect to pdp, same cycle
Liberal Democracy is the best political system, its creates stability and it is very sustainable....

this is philosophically correct, but it's still possible. You just have to play within the system as opposed to taking it out by force, but ideological uniformed parties take over liberal democracies.

stability can be toxic. It is like stagnant water. While movements in history are painful and take a lot of sacrifice they're necessary for real progress.
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by AntiZikist: 2:48am On Mar 06
Minsk24:

Common sense will dictate that the SS will be easy to pick out for the igbos when the time comes, with diplomacy, common interest and strategic planning, the igbos will make inroads to ally with the different ethnicities of the SS.... slowly but surely....
So that's why i don't even bother about people like you , when its time it will happen loud and clear, the time when we will put economic growth and stability over trivial matters that people like you keep grieving over ...
It bn over 60 years since the end of the war, yet u don't want to see the bigger picture and u call urself a political analyst grin
Even Russia and Ukraine will mend ties after the war despite the emotions ...that is sense, as long as there's a bigger picture,u must put ur emotions aside and go for economic gains...
I understand your fears as we will always be neighbors and u may consider us belligerent...but such fears can only be dispelled by close co-operation...


Who has been reliving the civil war through their own deluded lies and trying to revisit every evil committed then if not you Ibos.

Last I checked nah Una start radio Biafra simply to spread lies and rekindle your land grabbing .
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by Minsk24: 5:58am On Mar 06
AntiZikist:



Who has been reliving the civil war through their own deluded lies and trying to revisit every evil committed then if not you Ibos.

Last I checked nah Una start radio Biafra simply to spread lies and rekindle your land grabbing .

Again it is important to note that ipob does not represent igbos....
It is also true that we igbos have avoided talking about our atrocities and only focus on the heavy handedness of the Nigerian state on us, i agree with you...
But tbh, why should anybody take nnamdi kanu seriously or ekpa grin...ipob is a stain and disgrace to my people...so if u look at igbos tru the lens of ipob, u will hate us even more...
Ipob will die, same way massob and other groups, igbos will take political action within the sphere of the Nigerian law to grow..
So, no fear.. please what is ur ethnicity?
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by Minsk24: 6:02am On Mar 06
Ofodirinwa:


this is philosophically correct, but it's still possible. You just have to play within the system as opposed to taking it out by force, but ideological uniformed parties take over liberal democracies.

stability can be toxic. It is like stagnant water. While movements in history are painful and take a lot of sacrifice they're necessary for real progress.
I agree with you, it takes lot of sacrifice for a massive wind of change to happen...
In your first paragraph, you are also very correct, it can happen in liberal democracies but in Nigeria's case, our parties are not built on ideologies, just as an avenue for politicians to get to power .
It will be very difficult in Nigeria, but possible in other countries.....
I also think a parliamentary system can easily be overthrown via protest compared to a presidential one...
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by AntiZikist: 7:47am On Mar 06
Minsk24:

Again it is important to note that ipob does not represent igbos....
It is also true that we igbos have avoided talking about our atrocities and only focus on the heavy handedness of the Nigerian state on us, i agree with you...
But tbh, why should anybody take nnamdi kanu seriously or ekpa grin...ipob is a stain and disgrace to my people...so if u look at igbos tru the lens of ipob, u will hate us even more...
Ipob will die, same way massob and other groups, igbos will take political action within the sphere of the Nigerian law to grow..
So, no fear.. please what is ur ethnicity?
IPOB that Ohaneze and all your elders and politicians are going about demanding the FG release Kanu?

Try another one.

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Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by Minsk24: 8:00am On Mar 06
AntiZikist:

IPOB that Ohaneze and all your elders and politicians are going about demanding the FG release Kanu?

Try another one.
Yes , because he engaged in a political struggle, while majority of igbos do not subscribe to ipob, some of ipob grievances resonates with all igbos....and also releasing of mnk can tame the tension in our region, the different factions of ipob have used mnk detention as an excuse to forment terror on the state, so if u release mnk, it could lead to peace...
For example, look at igboho, do all yorubas subscribe to secession? Not at all, but the yoruba elders helped igboho because of some elements of his political struggle which they resonate with ..
Even in your region, u had some militant groups, u have a soft spot for some of them because u understand some of their grievances...
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by AntiZikist: 10:48am On Mar 06
Minsk24:

Yes , because he engaged in a political struggle, while majority of igbos do not subscribe to ipob, some of ipob grievances resonates with all igbos....and also releasing of mnk can tame the tension in our region, the different factions of ipob have used mnk detention as an excuse to forment terror on the state, so if u release mnk, it could lead to peace...
For example, look at igboho, do all yorubas subscribe to secession? Not at all, but the yoruba elders helped igboho because of some elements of his political struggle which they resonate with ..
Even in your region, u had some militant groups, u have a soft spot for some of them because u understand some of their grievances...

Did igboho or Niger Delta militants insult any nationality in Nigeria or start dragging lands with other people ?


Abegi.
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by lionshare: 11:50am On Mar 06
It's great to see so many hypotheses being proposed, but it's equally important to test them to validate their accuracy. If you truly desire a revolution, it should begin at the local or state level. If you're unable to enforce any significant change at your local or state level, it's quite illogical to expect a revolution at the national level.

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Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by Minsk24: 12:27pm On Mar 06
AntiZikist:


Did igboho or Niger Delta militants insult any nationality in Nigeria or start dragging lands with other people ?


Abegi.
Lol grin
Thankfully the fate of ur region will not be determined by people like you, people like you will be swept under the carpet by the winds of change....this is 2024 , wake up ...
Re: Why Revolution Is Difficult In A Liberal Democracy by Minsk24: 12:28pm On Mar 06
lionshare:
It's great to see so many hypotheses being proposed, but it's equally important to test them to validate their accuracy. If you truly desire a revolution, it should begin at the local or state level. If you're unable to enforce any significant change at your local or state level, it's quite illogical to expect a revolution at the national level.
Good point

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