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raumdeuter:
Which is why the Abraham accord wants people of similar religion and culture(Saudi, Qatar, Oman Bahrain and other peace loving ME countries) deal and negotiate with the Palestinians

We even had some of them recognize the state of Israel for the first time ever until the whole accord was scuttled

Arab countries need a Royal family or a dictator ruling over them. Give them elections and they go theocratic like Iran.
Ramming down a two state solution is a feel good thing for liberals who think they know best.The Arabs within Israel and Palestine would celebrate if Iran nuked them. They don't care if every last Jew is ecterminated along with millions if them.
The Gaza and Hezbollah rockets don't target Jews only. 20% of Israel are Arabs who would never want to be ruled by Hamas.

basilico:
Resistance of Hamas is based on their religion. It is a cultural thing also.

The entire Israel State is based on religion and is a cultural thing too, but I guess from your previous I shouldn't be surprised at your justification by demonising.

basilico:
Regarding Fani Willis. I have been against her character. It does not affect the trial if He got Paid, She got Laid.

I have been laser focussed on only one area. Did their affair start after she appointed him Special Prosecutor or in 2019. Both gave testimony to that effect.
Did they lie under oath and in sworn affidavits?

I sure think more details will be revealed.

It is shame that the judge appeared to disregard the testimonies and arguments presented by all parties involved, except for Fani. This ruling seems to be a way where no side can claim a decisive triumph.

budaatum:
The entire Israel State is based on religion and is a cultural thing too, but I guess from your previous I shouldn't be surprised at your justification by demonising.

Muspims have 57 countries. A tiny Jewish nation is an insult to the umma.
Apples and oranges Israel is secular.
Wake me up when s Muslim country celebrates Pride month.

benalvino3:
It is shame that the judge appeared to disregard the testimonies and arguments presented by all parties involved, except for Fani. This ruling seems to be a way where no side can claim a decisive triumph.

I think there is more to that ruling.
The elephant in the room was perjury plus misuse of federal funds.

raumdeuter:
I am asking you and you are now asking me? You claimed they took lands and I am asking you where? and how what was the circumstance

Why don't you tell me what you understand the circumstances to be and how Israel claimed ownership over it. I've posted on this before. This was a NY times headline from around that time. Please fit it into your explanation.

budaatum:
No one is asking anyone to "normalize the rowdiness". Isn't it however better if one does not add to the rowdiness by over engaging with the rowdy by feeding pointless trolls?

Please know that I'm saying this because I'm selfish. I'd read your stuff more because I can see you use your brain well, but a lot of what I might read you write goes unread because it would involve letting the stupid idiot you engage with occupy my time, which is verboten by and for me.

In fact, even this conversation is far too much of my time used in it's yukky regard, so forgive me if I'm done on the subject while I pray Biden does not spend his campaign resource responding to troll dump and thereby getting him more free attention than he'd get.

The proof is in the pudding. Just look at the forum. Your argument is that moderators of this space can't see what you and I can, something clearly evident.
The question is whether you legitimize the bigotry by remaining an active participant in it. Seun and the mods don't seem to be bothered by the extent of it for whatever reason, so why support it?
It's akin to whether you shop at a retailer that is racist or do you protest with the means that you have, your wallet.

budaatum:
It is propaganda to claim this started at a concert when there's evidence of conflict going back decades.

This is about th recent escalation of hostilities and violence between Israeli and Palestine . Attempting to frame this as a conflict rooted in many decades ago may serve as an excuse or diminish the gravity of the specific atrocities committed on October 7. The claim by Hamas of 30,000 casualties resulting from this particular outbreak of conflict is distinct and does not include the numbers from the many decades bonehead budaatum is claiming. It is crucial that we respond to this latest eruption of violence based on its specific contet and facts, rather than allowing it to be drowned into broader historical narratives.

basilico:
I think there is more to that ruling.
The elephant in the room was perjury plus misuse of federal funds.

The judge is leaving it to the state to decide if she walks. If Wade should lose his role, fani is supposed to lose hers too

benalvino3:
This is about th recent escalation of hostilities and violence between Israeli and Palestine . Attempting to frame this as a conflict rooted in many decades ago may serve as an excuse or diminish the gravity of the specific atrocities committed on October 7th. The claim by Hamas of 30,000 casualties resulting from this particular outbreak of conflict is distinct and does not include the numbers from the many decades bonehead budaatum is claiming. It is crucial that we respond to this latest eruption of violence based on its specific contet and facts, rather than allowing it to be drowning it into broader historical narratives.

When even ChatGPT can't correct for the fact you have no clue what you are talking about and you have the English proficiency of a 6th grader.
Lol. BenalvinoChatGPT2.0, this is comedy.

I think they have twitter thread of ChatGPT mishaps. I'm going to put some of these together and submit them.

budaatum:
This does not deserve a response, sorry, since anyone who cares can go read about Israel's land grabbing even apart from that which was grabbed for them.

When you go to war you lose land and there are consequences for going to war and losing

IjeBos:
Why don't you tell me what you understand the circumstances to be and how Israel claimed ownership over it. I've posted on this before. This was a NY times headline from around that time. Please fit it into your explanation.

The state of Israel was created by a UN charter in 1948 before their Arab neighbors decided to wage war on them and they lost land in the process

raumdeuter:
The state of Israel was created by a UN charter in 1948 before their Arab neighbors decided to wage war on them and they lost land in the process

I'm a little confused. Did they lose the land when the UN charter created Israel or after they fought in trying to get the land back? I'm trying to understand whether you are being intentionally unclear in what you wrote.

IjeBos:
I'm a little confused. Did they lose the land when the UN charter created Israel or after they fought in trying to get the land back? I'm trying to understand whether you are being intentionally unclear in what you wrote.

How can you not understand 🤣

IjeBos:
The proof is in the pudding. Just look at the forum. Your argument is that moderators of this space can't see what you and I can, something clearly evident.

How can that possibly be my argument when I've seen mods come here to try to moderate and fail because they find it difficult to moderate both sides that are as bad as each other?

IjeBos:
The question is whether you legitimize the bigotry by remaining an active participant in it.

I do legitimise the bigotry when I engage with them too much, or I at least fuel them in their bigotry.

IjeBos:
Seun and the mods don't seem to be bothered by the extent of it for whatever reason, so why support it?

Mods tried and failed. And I bet this thread attracts eyeballs, and eyeballs put money in seun's pocket, so perhaps see his conflict.

As for support, I'd say one supports just by posting in the thread, so you tell me why you support it.

IjeBos:
It's akin to whether you shop at a retailer that is racist or do you protest with the means that you have, your wallet.

As opposed to protesting outside the stupid idiot's shop with a placard?

Depends on my time I guess, and I'm saying I don't need to shop at this stupid idiot's shop, and they are far too insignificant for a placard. Besides, engaging with them pleases them while ignoring them pains them even more, so there.

budaatum:
It is propaganda to claim this started at a concert when there's evidence of conflict going back decades.

This current escalation started from the October 7. We can as well go back as long as possible to centuries even 2000yrs of war and crisis in the region to find out who killed who in 23 BC and led to the continuous bloodshed

raumdeuter:
When you go to war you lose land and there are consequences for going to war and losing

I tried so many times to talk this particular sense into buda.

raumdeuter:
The state of Israel was created by a UN charter in 1948 before their Arab neighbors decided to wage war on them and they lost land in the process

So, after the UN took the land that the Arab neighbours lived on, the Arab neighbours decided to wage war on those who occupied their land?

Seriously, when people write in the convoluted way you've done above, I often wonder if they are trying to convince themselves or just have no respect for those they converse with, especially if like you they have shown they can write and express themself better.

IjeBos:
I'm a little confused. Did they lose the land when the UN charter created Israel or after they fought in trying to get the land back? I'm trying to understand whether you are being intentionally unclear in what you wrote.

UN gave Israel a piece of Land in 1948. You can read about the UN partition of 1948 here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

Their Arab neighbors decided to wage war to eliminate them for example in 1967 the Arab forces they all lost Sinai, Golan Heights Gaza West
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20this,challenge%20to%20Middle%20East%20diplomacy.

I am taking the pain because I assumed you didnt know

budaatum:
So, after the UN took the land that the Arab neighbours lived on, the Arab neighbours decided to wage war on those who occupied their land?

Seriously, when people write in the convoluted way you've done above, I often wonder if they are trying to convince themselves or just have no respect for those they converse with, especially if like you they have shown they can write and express themself better.

What exactly is unclear about what I wrote? You can choose not to understand it anyway. I am sure there are others who fully understood

benalvino3:
How can you not understand 🤣

Is it that hard to understand?

raumdeuter:
When you go to war you lose land and there are consequences for going to war and losing

When you attack and steal my land me I will fight back, and I will willingly bear the consequences for standing up for myself even if it's death. What I wouldn't do is slink away from a bully like a coward who's afraid of dying, and I can't possibly be the only one who would react like I would as you can see.

raumdeuter:
Is it that hard to understand?

Hahaha he makes me laugh I swear. Hamas and Ipob may have a lot in common so I get why he is not understanding 🤣

raumdeuter:
This current escalation started from the October 7.

If you want to ignore history and just the past 5 or so years and be convinced "this current escalation started from the October 7", then I guess I'll let you be since I'm aware people make up their own narratives and believe them.

It may be maga era, but the facts are out there.

raumdeuter:
UN gave Israel a piece of Land in 1948. You can read about the UN partition of 1948 here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

Their Arab neighbors decided to wage war to eliminate them for example in 1967 the Arab forces they all lost Sinai, Golan Heights Gaza West
https://2001-2009.state.gov/r/pa/ho/time/ea/97187.htm#:~:text=As%20a%20result%20of%20this,challenge%20to%20Middle%20East%20diplomacy.

I am taking the pain because I assumed you didnt know

I wanted to properly understand your narrative.

So some random party (let's use the word gang here) tells you they are giving 6/10 rooms in your house to someone else. You fight to get your house back, you lose because those people have more weapons than you. They tell you because you fought we are now taking 7/10 rooms in your house. The same people over the years systematically take more rooms until they own 9/10 rooms. They have more weapons and money than you. If you try to fight back with whatever means you have they destroy part of the only room you have left. Do you think that is fair?

And question, why do you not consider someone taking your house, an attempt to eliminate you from your house? Yet you believe people waging war to get their house back an attempt to eliminate those people who took it. Your framing seems very one sided.

raumdeuter:
UN gave Israel a piece of Land in 1948. You can read about the UN partition of 1948 here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine

Their Arab neighbors decided to wage war to eliminate them for example in 1967 the Arab forces they all lost Sinai, Golan Heights Gaza West.

Perhaps read what you posted!

The Arab Higher Committee, the Arab League and other Arab leaders and governments rejected it on the basis that in addition to the Arabs forming a two-thirds majority, they owned a majority of the lands.[21][22] They also indicated an unwillingness to accept any form of territorial division,[23] arguing that it violated the principles of national self-determination in the UN Charter which granted people the right to decide their own destiny.[8][24] They announced their intention to take all necessary measures to prevent the implementation of the resolution.[25][26][27][28] Subsequently, a civil war broke out in Palestine,[29] and the plan was not implemented.[30]

And that was in 1948, and that war has been ongoing since. But I guess you expect they'd just give up and accept defeat which they haven't.

budaatum:
Perhaps read what you posted!



And that was in 1948, and that war has been ongoing since. But I guess you expect they'd just give up and accept defeat which they haven't.

Why have they not gone to face the UN to fight them

IjeBos:
I wanted to properly understand your narrative.

So some random party (let's use the word gang here) tells you they are giving 6/10 rooms in your house to someone else. You fight to get your house back, you lose because those people have more weapons than you. They tell you because you fought we are now taking 7/10 rooms in your house. The same people over the years systematically take more rooms until they own 9/10 rooms. They have more weapons and money than you. If you try to fight back with whatever means you have they destroy part of the only room you have left. Do you think that is fair?

And question, why do you not consider someone taking your house, an attempt to eliminate you from your house? Yet you believe people waging war to get their house back an attempt to eliminate those people who took it. Your framing seems very one sided.

This Random party will be the UN right?

budaatum:
When you attack and steal my land me I will fight back, and I will willingly bear the consequences for standing up for myself even if it's death. What I wouldn't do is slink away from a bully like a coward who's afraid of dying, and I can't possibly be the only one who would react like I would as you can see.

Actually the Arabs were the ones who attacked and lost

budaatum:
If you want to ignore history and just the past 5 or so years and be convinced "this current escalation started from the October 7", then I guess I'll let you be since I'm aware people make up their own narratives and believe them.

It may be maga era, but the facts are out there.

When should we start the history from 1949, 200 AD or 233 BC?

benalvino3:
Hahaha he makes me laugh I swear. Hamas and Ipob may have a lot in common so I get why he is not understanding 🤣

Its absurd to think there is some form of negotiation with a party dedicated to your death. I wish all those who sit and proffer laptop solutions will actually go and live side by side with Hamas and see what becomes of them

I watched as many Israelis were bitter when Ariel Sharon gave back Gaza to Palestine in 2005 and what did they get back? More and more terror from Hamas

raumdeuter:
Why have they not gone to face the UN to fight them

They have, Raum, many times. But Israel and it's allies seem to have the United Nations locked down.

Are you aware that Gambia, and Kenya and Madagascar were proposed as Jewish state before the Jewish Certificate of Occupation was accepted?

What I think is the western world felt guilty at the treatment of the Jews even long before Germany tried to eliminate them, and that guilt is what made them acquire land for Israel. And that's apart from the fact that the Western world worships the Jewish God who can be used to influence and manipulate.