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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DaHighLife: 4:29pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
As the judge said, "perception of impropriety". And not many would argue that perception does not exist. Magas here sure would perceive impropriety, and dump definitely will claim harm and prejudice even though this ruling does not help him achieve his goal, and that would become the show while the prosecution of dump is on the side.

Fanni should have known better. Her actions are letting dump off.
I believe the judge was mistaken. He sought a predetermined conclusion and manipulated the law to achieve it. What's more troubling to me is the fact that he had the ruling finalized last week but delayed its announcement for a week due to security concerns from death threats. This a familiar pattern, particularly in matters associated with Trump and his associates.

Just read the two cases he cites to support his argument that 'These cases indicate that a trial court can consider alternative solutions to cure the appearance of impropriety.' The cases are Billing vs State and Head vs State.

* Here is the relevant text from the ruling: Billings v. State
It discusses a conflict arising from a prosecutor previously representing a defendant. The two fact patterns aren't even remotely similar. Naturally, there may be a conflict when a prosecutor had previously represented a defendant.

4. In two separate enumerations of error, Billings asserts that the trial court erred in failing to grant his alternative motion to dismiss or disqualify the district attorney's office from the prosecution of this case based upon a conflict of interest and an appearance of impropriety. Beth McFadyen, an assistant district attorney at the time of trial, represented Slappey while employed with the public defender's office and negotiated his guilty plea in December 1992. Billings was also represented by the public defender's office prior to the assignment of outside counsel based upon a conflict of interest.

A conflict of interest warranting the disqualification of a prosecuting attorney "has been held to arise where the prosecutor previously has represented the defendant with respect to the offense charged , or has consulted with the defendant in a professional capacity * 129 with regard thereto. . . ." Williams v. State, 258 Ga. 305, 314 (369 SE2d 232) (1988). "It would clearly be improper for an attorney to change roles from the prosecution to the defense (and vice versa) in the same case." Frazier v. State, 257 Ga. 690, 693 (9) (362 SE2d 351) (1987). While we agree with Billings that an appearance of impropriety exists, other members of the office of the prosecuting attorney were not disqualified from the prosecution of this action. Although Directory Rule 5-105 (D) of the Georgia Code of Professional Responsibility provides that no partner or associate of the firm where an attorney is disqualified from the representation of a client may accept or continue employment with the client based upon a conflict of interest, this "imputed disqualification rule was not meant to encompass governmental law offices. . . . The salaried government employee does not have the financial interest in the success of departmental representation that is inherent in private practice." (Citations and punctuation omitted.) Frazier v. State, supra at 694. Vicarious disqualification of a government department is not necessary or wise, and the individual lawyer should be screened from any direct or indirect participation in the matter, and discussion with colleagues concerning the case should be prohibited. Id. In the case at bar, McFadyen testified unequivocally that she did not participate directly or indirectly in the prosecution of this case since joining the office of the district attorney and did not consult with any person in the district attorney's office on this case. Accordingly, the trial court did not err in denying Billings' motion to disqualify. See Pullen v. State, 208 Ga. App. 581 (3) (431 SE2d 696) (1993).
* And here is the relevant text from Head v. State:
In fact, they found that even when there was a close personal relationship between an investigator and the victim, there was no conflict of interest. They went further, stating, "we will not presume or find the appearance of such conflict solely because an investigator who works for the district attorney has a close personal relationship with the victim."


Head contends the investigator's close personal relationship with the victim disqualifies the district attorney and every prosecutor on his staff. It is possible for a *538 disqualifying conflict of interest to arise where a prosecutor has acquired a personal interest or stake in the defendant's conviction. Williams v. State, 258 Ga. 305, 314-315, 369 S.E.2d 232 (1988). For example, a prosecutor's close personal relationship with the victim in a case may create at least the appearance of a prosecution unfairly based on private interests rather than one properly based on vindication of public interests. Christopher Vaeth, Annotation, Disqualification or Recusal of Prosecuting Attorney Because of Relationship with Alleged Victim or Victim's Family, 12 ALR 5th 909 (2001). In that case, the individual prosecutor who has the conflict may be disqualified from participation in the case, but not all the other prosecutors who work with him. See Frazier v. State, 257 Ga. 690, 693-695, 362 S.E.2d 351 (1987).

There was no evidence of any conflict of interest or resulting misconduct in this case by the district attorney or any prosecutor on his staff, and we will not presume or find the appearance of such conflict solely because an investigator who works for the district attorney has a close personal relationship with the victim. [color=#990000][/color] Moreover, to insure that no conflict of interest or the appearance of one might develop, the district attorney took the prudent step of ordering the investigator to take no part in the investigation or prosecution of the case. The trial court did not abuse its discretion by denying the disqualification motion.
https://law.justia.com/cases/georgia/court-of-appeals/2002/a01a1628-0.html
This pattern is typical of most of the cases he cited. None are directly relevant and in fact most are contrary. Most, if not all, of the cases where an appearance of impropriety was found involved either a prosecutor previously representing a defendant or a situation where a District Attorney incentivized convictions by offering bonuses to prosecutors, effectively tying performance to payment, which created an incentive to convict people. In this case, Wade actually attempted to negotiate deals with the defendants to avoid trials. His incentive structure was time-based, so avoiding court proceedings cost him money.

The judge should have denied the motion based on all this precedent and then allowed Willis to remove Wade herself, as she likely would have. Twisting the law to arrive at a what you believe is fair conclusion is detrimental, especially when the foundation of this motion stemmed from malicious motives.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by DaHighLife: 4:36pm On Mar 16, 2024
benalvino3:
You and yourself ijebos can chat about this. I am at this time busy. Cheerio 🤣
I assumed you wrote this because you intended to discuss it, as that is generally the purpose of posting on a forum.
It appears you may have had other intentions.
Cheerio.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 4:48pm On Mar 16, 2024
Ijebos:
I assumed you wrote this because you intended to discuss it, as that is generally the purpose of posting on a forum.
It appears you may have had other intentions.
Cheerio.
Cheerio
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 5:04pm On Mar 16, 2024
raumdeuter:
Shame shame

These are the folks Democrats are carrying torches for

The same people who are throwing parties when they heard Americans were killed

Whose idea of a picnic is to burn American flags
Since May 2023, voters have had to show an accepted form of photo ID at polling stations before they receive a ballot paper.
This is Enlgland. Notice how budaatum has been quiet? We know he does not like election integrity because he has always cried about voter ID in the US.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:16pm On Mar 16, 2024
DaHighLife:
The judge should have denied the motion based on all this precedent and then allowed Willis to remove Wade herself, as she likely would have.
Same outcome, right? And the right action I bet you'd agree, to avoid the "perception of impropriety" that some might have.

Fanni fuqed up, is my opinion. And her fuq up is going to let dump walk, sadly. But we'll see.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 5:23pm On Mar 16, 2024
Budaatum why will the voter ID rule stop sadiq from getting re-elected? Is he admitting his voters don't have a passport?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:26pm On Mar 16, 2024
benalvino3:
Budaatum why will the voter ID rule stop sadiq from getting re-elected? Is he admitting his voters don't have a passport?
Go and ask Sadiq Khan. He's email address is public.

Besides, his voters don't need a passport because they can identify themselves with a photo oyster card.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:28pm On Mar 16, 2024
benalvino3:
Since May 2023, voters have had to show an accepted form of photo ID at polling stations before they receive a ballot paper.
This is Enlgland. Notice how budaatum has been quiet? We know he does not like election integrity because he has always cried about voter ID in the US.
See your "accepted form of photo ID". If America accepted these you'd likely say they are rubbish.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:34pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
See your "accepted form of photo ID". If America accepted these you'd likely say they are rubbish.
How is it different from the acceptable ID that Democrats claimed is racist and rejected

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:42pm On Mar 16, 2024
raumdeuter:
How is it different from the acceptable ID that Democrats claimed is racist and rejected
It was the perceived motive for introducing ID that the Democrats objected to if you can bother to be honest.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 5:48pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
Buda moving the goalpost
From his statement, I am safe to assume illegitimate voters got him elected.
Buda moving the goal post
From his statement I am safe to assume illetimate voters got him elected.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 5:48pm On Mar 16, 2024
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 5:49pm On Mar 16, 2024
benalvino3:
Buda moving the goal post
From his statement I am safe to assume illetimate voters got him elected.
Wouldn't be the first or last time you make an ass of yourself.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:52pm On Mar 16, 2024
Benalvino3, I see your at it again, manipulating the quoting system.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 5:55pm On Mar 16, 2024
DaHighLife:
I believe the judge was mistaken. He sought a predetermined conclusion and manipulated the law to achieve it. What's more troubling to me is the fact that he had the ruling finalized last week but delayed its announcement for a week due to security concerns from death threats. This a familiar pattern, particularly in matters associated with Trump and his associates.
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Will check these out. Tell me, did you find any case law where a Prosecutor was ever removed because of an appearance of conflict not an "actual conflict"?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 5:57pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
Wouldn't be the first or last time you make an ass of yourself.
Or your cognitive dissonance is at full throttle.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 5:58pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
It was the perceived motive for introducing ID that the Democrats objected to if you can bother to be honest.
What was the motive for ID introduced in UK?

What could be the motive for requesting ID at any place they currently do
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 6:06pm On Mar 16, 2024
raumdeuter:
What was the motive for ID introduced in the UK?

What could be the motive for requesting ID at any place they currently do
These people just hate common sense. You would think everyone in the UK voting should have a passport. Why is Khan worried he will lose reelection because of this?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 6:08pm On Mar 16, 2024
raumdeuter:
What was the motive for ID introduced in UK?
To eliminate the 6 voter frauds that they claim would have been prevented.

raumdeuter:
What could be the motive for requesting ID at any place they currently do
Depends on the place.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 6:09pm On Mar 16, 2024
benalvino3:
These people just hate common sense. You would think everyone in the UK voting should have a passport. Why is Khan worried he will lose reelection because of this?
Why should everyone in UK have passport?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:12pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
Same outcome, right? And the right action I bet you'd agree, to avoid the "perception of impropriety" that some might have.

Fanni fuqed up, is my opinion. And her fuq up is going to let dump walk, sadly. But we'll see.
Justice should be blind. We can't have differing rules for differing people based on how hard they cry/compain. If the standard is the "perception of impropriety", then pass a law that says that. But you can't have conservative justices like Thomas being held to a standard below "actual conflict", while Democratic ones are held to a standard of "perception of impropriety". That breaks the system and it is not blind justice. It affords one group "super rights". And I would understand if the goal of that group was to have an even playing field, but that's not that goal.

Look no further than this forum. Basilco, Benalvino and Slyfoxx report all my posts. I've been banned multiple times for using the word "idiot". Banned for saying "Benalvino thinks he is a white Republican living in FL.". And everytime I'm kinda shocked, given the things that are said here. lol.. (I think even you've used the word idiot. ) Now why was I banned? Because those people repeatedly spam the moderators to get me banned. Does changing my behavior change what they do? No. Because their intent isn't to follow the rules, but to get me banned, so noone will challenge them not following the rules. And how well is this Forum doing?

You have this view that if people just meet all Magas disingenuous complaints they'll stop complaining.. That, if Fani was perfect, Trump wouldn't have found an issue. We've seen Trump for 4 years, when has that happened? Fani, could have been Trump's mother and he would have found a way to say she was biased against him.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 6:14pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
Why should everyone in UK have passport?
I said everyone voting. So adjust your question.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 6:18pm On Mar 16, 2024
benalvino3:
I said everyone voting. So adjust your question.
Lewisham election for Mayor was held early in the month and buda voted without a passport or any ID.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IjeBos(m): 6:18pm On Mar 16, 2024
raumdeuter:
How is it different from the acceptable ID that Democrats claimed is racist and rejected
Is it easier to make these broad generalizations than dealing in fact?
The Dems introduced a voting rights package that allowed for ID as long as those places that required it expanded what ID's could be used.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/18/1073021462/senate-voting-rights-freedom-to-vote-john-lewis-voting-rights-advancement-act

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 6:27pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
Lewisham election for Mayor was held early in the month and buda voted without a passport or any ID.
I see. Let's see what will happen. If the new rules will be implemented.
Have you been to Speakers Corner? I'd say you will like that place but it is not safe. I was there once and arguments can get intense.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 6:35pm On Mar 16, 2024
IjeBos:
You have this view that if people just meet all Magas disingenuous complaints they'll stop complaining..
And I suppose that is why you constantly observe buda meeting "all magas disingenuous complaints" and why they have stopped complaining, right, or would you like to see magas quoting me here?

With respect, your quoted above does not show you get me at all, and is more like the gaslighting I get from the stupid magas here, and just blinds me to the rest of your argument.

Fanni should have known what magas do, and shouldn't have played into their hands as she's done by giving them enough to perceive.

Damn! If she wasn't having an affair with Wade, they'd have lied she was to discredit her, and then it turns out she actually was.

As it is, she's lucky the (shameless maga) judge did not remove her as it is perceived by me at least that he'd have loved to if he could.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 6:40pm On Mar 16, 2024
benalvino3:
I see. Let's see what will happen. If the new rules will be implemented.
Have you been to Speakers Corner? I'd say you will like that place but it is not safe. I was there once and arguments can get intense.
Nothing happened. Or rather, Labour won as expected.

Speakers Corner is as safe as anywhere you stand in UK to say what the masses dislike. Thankfully, we have proactive police.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 6:45pm On Mar 16, 2024
IjeBos:
Justice should be blind.
"Should be blind", except that it can't possibly be blind where District Attorneys and judges are often party affiliated and elected into office.

So, welcome to the real world of the United States of America where justice is definitely often not blind.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:45pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
To eliminate the 6 voter frauds that they claim would have been prevented.


Depends on the place.
What was the reason why UK needed ID to vote and Democrats are suspicious of it
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:47pm On Mar 16, 2024
benalvino3:
These people just hate common sense. You would think everyone in the UK voting should have a passport. Why is Khan worried he will lose reelection because of this?
That's the way to be a leftist..

Send men to women jail
Change kids gender without parental consent
Have boys play in girls sport
I saw a video of Ted Cruz asking a Democrat lady why the need for girls sport then if anyone can play it

She couldn't answer
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by benalvino3: 6:48pm On Mar 16, 2024
budaatum:
Nothing happened. Or rather, Labour won as expected.

Speakers Corner is as safe as anywhere you stand in UK to say what the masses dislike. Thankfully, we have proactive police.
That place is an unsafe environment. The level of tension there is extremely high. people getting stabbed. If the police have to proactively maintain a presence there, that's a sign that something has drawn them to that place to try to keep the peace and prevent violence from occurring.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:48pm On Mar 16, 2024
IjeBos:
Is it easier to make these broad generalizations than dealing in fact?
The Dems introduced a voting rights package that allowed for ID as long as those places that required it expanded what ID's could be used.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/18/1073021462/senate-voting-rights-freedom-to-vote-john-lewis-voting-rights-advancement-act
What are the types of ID you think should be used to vote
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