MiddleDimension:


In second Samuel, God was quoted as saying I gave you more wives, and if that was not enough, I WOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU MORE. Are you saying God does doubke standards? Are you saying god indulges in iniquity? I know you really wish that passage is not in the bible. If you had the power, you would have removed it completely from the bible, I know your likes abd what you are capable of.

This is off point but i cant resist not answering it.

The question is "more what"! But was there any lawful thing that David had not already been given?

FOR LO, HE WAS A BUSH MAN, NOT EVEN A CITY BOY O, BUT A BUSH MAN WHO WAS GIVEN A WHOLE PRINCESS TO MARRY.

AND AFTER THAT HE LIKE NO 4. CONTENDER TO THE THRONE OF PRESIDENT.

FROM BUSH BOY TO PRINCE AND THE PRESIDENT CONTENDER.

IF YOU MARRY DJ CUPPY, OR NED NWOKO'S DAUGHTER, HAVE YOU NOT ALREADY HAD EVERYTHING?

Please, the argument is over and your thoughts on polygamy being allowed by God is destroyed. Stop being a devil and stop inviting people to sin.

MiddleDimension:


If his wife agrees, yes! Or have you forgotten that men are the ones who usually do not have any problem when it comes to their daughter's marriage?

OK o!

Veecruz:


This is off point but i cant resist not answering it.

The question is "more what"! But was there any lawful thing that David had not already been given?

FOR LO, HE WAS A BUSH MAN, NOT EVEN A CITY BOY O, BUT A BUSH MAN WHO WAS GIVEN A WHOLE PRINCESS TO MARRY.

AND AFTER THAT HE LIKE NO 4. CONTENDER TO THE THRONE OF PRESIDENT.

FROM BUSH BOY TO PRINCE AND THE PRESIDENT CONTENDER.

IF YOU MARRY DJ CUPPY, OR NED NWOKO'S DAUGHTER, HAVE YOU NOT ALREADY HAD EVERYTHING?

Please, the argument is over and your thoughts on polygamy being allowed by God is destroyed. Stop being a devil and stop inviting people to sin.

Whatever you mean with this is your personal opinion!

Maximus692:


Whatever you mean with this is your personal opinion!

Every statement is a personal opinion, even what you have just said, so your point is null.

Maximus692:


Whatever you mean with this is your personal opinion!

I am glad you saw that too.

Veecruz:


Every statement is a personal opinion, even what you have just said, so your point is null.

mine is not just an opinion, it is an opinion BASED ON FACTS!

MiddleDimension:


You know: you people just don't know the rules of arguement and instead of asking that you be taught, you just plunge yourselves into deep waters with absolute recklessness!

If you are going to mention Absalom's behaviour, you CAN'T JUST STOP THERE, YOU WILL HAVE TO MENTION why his behaviour was due to polygamy! I mean this is very simole and straight forward! So, when I look at Cain getting ao Jealous of Abel that he got him killed, then I ahould attribute that murderous behaviour to the fact that his father married only one wife? You people should make use of your heads ao you don't obtain the reputation of being block heads! What is the connection between polygamy and Absalom's behaviour?

sorry to say it was Absolom that raped his step sister
It was Ammon that actually raped Tamar, Absolom's sister.
Now the question is, if Tamar was Ammon's sister of the same mother, will Ammon rape her?
The answer is no!

Do you see that polygamy can also cause hatred among siblings, one reason that always makes polygamy to be inferior than monogamy.
Because in monogamy, hatred or competition of some sort among siblings are minimal

But the very fact, you bring logical falacies,a.dn that you cannot provide a coherent arguement, shows that you and all the other people on your side of the debate, including @Maximus, are not of God!

One of the tell-tale signs that one is of God and is speaking the mind of God concerning things, is that he provides a clear and logically accurate and coherent arguement! This is beacsue God promised you, the christian, that you have been given a spirit of SOUND MIND (2 Tim 1:7). That is why when Peter and John were brought before the council after healing a man at beautiful gate, he floored every body there with his superior elloquence and logically coherent arguement! Go back and read it again (Acts 4). Infact, to point to you that him being able to present in a very elloquent manner, his logically cohenrent arguement, was due to the fact that he had the Holy Ghost in him, the opened by saying ''Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, spoke up and said:...'' (Acts 4:6). And like I said: this is in fulfilment of the scripture which says: ''...I have given you a spirit of sound mind'' Peter could not have floored the elders, if he was not elloquent and presented a logically coherent arguement. The part of this speech that shows he provided a logical arguement can be seen in his final remark: he said: ''judge for yourselves whom we should obey, you or God'' (Acts 4 vs 19).

So, you, @Paxonel, pointing to Absalom's behaviour and presenting it like it was caused by polygamy without showing us how it is was cause by polygamy, especially when this and mant other evil are found in the lives of monogamous families, means you are presenting a logical fallacy and like we have seen, that is the sure sign that you are speking the mind of the devil concerning this issue! You don't have the spirit of God otherwise, you would have provided a logically.coherent arguement!

take it or leave it, polygamy has fuelled instability in the society than anything else.
If you have ever travelled to northern Nigeria before you will know what I'm talking about.
Most people engaging into terrorism, kidnapping and banditry in that part of the country are products of lack of education due to failed family system caused by indiscriminate traditional polygamous policy

FxMasterz:


This issue you raised about Christian marriages is true. But I think Paul wrote to Timothy and Titus to tell everyone of us that one wife is the best for a man who'll go into Christian leadership.

I don't see how a polygamous man would be able to manage such a complex family affair and combine it with the extreme complexity of church management.

It all boils down to leadership focus and efficiency. A man with no wife would be a better focused and efficient leader. He'll be able to dedicate himself to service much better than a man with one wife. In the same vein, a man with one wife is much better than the one with two. The one with two is also a better leader than the one with 3, and so on and so forth. The more wives a man has, the less dedication and time he'll be able to commit to kingdom service. One wife is good for Christian leadership but no wife is better. This is also Paul's position but mainstream Christianity has made polygamy a sin which it is not.

]Please who I'll tell us where the doctrines of closing one's eyes while praying comes from? This doctrine is not anywhere in the Bible.

You are correct but if you are into ministry and you are single, most people will not trust you. This is my experience in ministry. And there are people who will never attend your church because you are single. It also exposes you to temptations.

Veecruz:


That is what "he was forced and did not do it on his own" means.

Was he also forced to sleep with the concubines?

Ken4Christ:


You are correct but if you are into ministry and you are single, most people will not trust you. This is my experience in ministry. And there are people who will never attend your church because you are single. It also exposes you to temptations.

Absolutely true.

That's the down side of being a single minister. Infact, no married couple would take your marital counseling serious. Your congregation would be full of youths and a few young couples. The elderly will run away from you. You wouldn't be regarded as someone matured and experienced enough to provide guidance for some issues. These are all the down sides. Your ministry would be limited.

The most balanced option is to marry one wife. It has its shortcomings too but they're very manageable.

paxonel:
sorry to say it was Absolom that raped his step sister
It was Ammon that actually raped Tamar, Absolom's sister.
Now the question is, if Tamar was Ammon's sister of the same mother, will Ammon rape her?
The answer is no!

Do you see that polygamy can also cause hatred among siblings, one reason that always makes polygamy to be inferior than monogamy.
Because in monogamy, hatred or competition of some sort among siblings are minimal
take it or leave it, polygamy has fuelled instability in the society than anything else.
If you have ever travelled to northern Nigeria before you will know what I'm talking about.
Most people engaging into terrorism, kidnapping and banditry in that part of the country are products of lack of education due to failed family system caused by indiscriminate traditional polygamous policy

And I think monogamy in the East is the reason for all the ritual killing, baby factorism, drugs and 419s, can you dig that?

MiddleDimension:


And I think monogamy in the East is the reason for all the ritual killing, baby factorism, drugs and 419s, can you dig that?

OK

paxonel:
sorry to say it was Absolom that raped his step sister
It was Ammon that actually raped Tamar, Absolom's sister.
Now the question is, if Tamar was Ammon's sister of the same mother, will Ammon rape her?
The answer is no!

Do you see that polygamy can also cause hatred among siblings, one reason that always makes polygamy to be inferior than monogamy.
Because in monogamy, hatred or competition of some sort among siblings are minimal
take it or leave it, polygamy has fuelled instability in the society than anything else.
If you have ever travelled to northern Nigeria before you will know what I'm talking about.
Most people engaging into terrorism, kidnapping and banditry in that part of the country are products of lack of education due to failed family system caused by indiscriminate traditional polygamous policy

These two are asking you what d hell you are saying again...👇🏻

paxonel:

OK

You actually prayed hard that I did not see that, and bring it up, didn't you?

At every point, I counter you all very well. If you are the one on the side of truth, I would not have been able POWERFULLY counter you like i do at every turn.

paxonel:
sorry to say it was Absolom that raped his step sister
It was Ammon that actually raped Tamar, Absolom's sister.
Now the question is, if Tamar was Ammon's sister of the same mother, will Ammon rape her?
The answer is no!

Do you see that polygamy can also cause hatred among siblings, one reason that always makes polygamy to be inferior than monogamy.
Because in monogamy, hatred or competition of some sort among siblings are minimal
take it or leave it, polygamy has fuelled instability in the society than anything else.
If you have ever travelled to northern Nigeria before you will know what I'm talking about.
Most people engaging into terrorism, kidnapping and banditry in that part of the country are products of lack of education due to failed family system caused by indiscriminate traditional polygamous policy

Also, I just found out that Joyce Meyer suffered incest. She said in the family, that was the culture. And that is monogamy!

https://mustardseedbudget./2017/06/10/joyce-meyer-overcame-rape/

Ken4Christ:

Was he also forced to sleep with the concubines?

Did you not see that he was?

MiddleDimension:


mine is not just an opinion, it is an opinion BASED ON FACTS!

Now you lie but your lies too are still your personal opinions, so null.

Veecruz:


Did you not see that he was?

He wasn't. The wives stopped giving birth and they wanted more children. So they gave their maids to Jacob to sleep with to have more children;

Genesis 30:9-11
9 When Leah saw that she had left bearing, she took Zilpah her maid, and gave her Jacob to wife.

10 And Zilpah Leah's maid bare Jacob a son.

11 And Leah said, A troop cometh: and she called his name Gad

Ken4Christ:

He wasn't. The wives stopped giving birth and they wanted more children. So they gave their maids to Jacob to sleep with to have more children...;

"So they gave" and not "he went to get..." which you are telling people to do exactly what Satan does.

Veecruz:


"So they gave" and not "he went to get..." which you are telling people to do exactly what Satan does.

That means If your wife ask you to sleep with the househelp you are free to do so for the purpose of child bearing.

Well, there are also saints of Old who married more than one wife and God didn't frown at it

Do you know that God was not displeased with King Solomon because he married 700 wives? His sin was that he allowed his wives to take his attention away from the ways of God. They made him build houses for their gods.

Ken4Christ:

That means If your wife ask you to sleep with the househelp you are free to do so for the purpose of child bearing...

Again, you have moved post from "they gave" to if your wife...

My wife can never say that and no normal wife can ever say that, only if she is cursed with Madness.

Ken4Christ:

Well, there are also saints of Old who married more than one wife and God didn't frown at it

You are the one who called them saints, God did not. And neither did God praise them and call them "'PERFECT".

And the people God Called "PERFECT" were married to one wife or single.

And neither did you see God frown at Sodom and Gomorrah before He utterly destroyed them, so anyone pretending not to know that which is evil, shall awake to meet his destruction.

Ken4Christ:
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Do you know that God was not displeased with King Solomon because he married 700 wives? His sin was that he allowed his wives to take his attention away from the ways of God. They made him build houses for their gods.

That is what Sodom and Gomorrah, and Amelekites and even Isreal thought before God cut them down and burnt them up.

Veecruz:


Again, you have moved post from "they gave" to if your wife...

My wife can never say that and no normal wife can ever say that, only if she is cursed with Madness.



You are the one who called them saints, God did not. And neither did God praise them and call them "'PERFECT".

And the people God Called "PERFECT" were married to wife or single.

And neither did you see God frown at Sodom and Gomorrah before He utterly destroyed them, so anyone pretending not to know that which is evil, shall awake to meet his destruction.



That is what Sodom and Gomorrah, and Amelekites and even Isreal thought before God cut them down and burnt them up.

King Solomon's case is not the same as that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Sodom and Gomorrah were into gay relationship. This is why God destroyed those two cities.

Don't forget, the Holy nation of God was built on polygamy.

Ken4Christ:


King Solomon's case is not the same as that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Sodom and Gomorrah were into gay relationship. This is why God destroyed those two cities.

Don't forget, the Holy nation of God was built on polygamy.

Sin is sin and God hates sin and you are showing you are Satan in lying for Abraham was married to one wife when he got God's attention and love to the point of God making him a nation. So you lie

Veecruz:


Sin is sin and God hates sin and you are showing you are Satan in lying for Abraham was married to one wife when he got God's attention and love to the point of God making him a nation. So you lie

You are a spiritual baby. No need arguing with you. You will understand better when you grow up.

paxonel:

OK

no, no stay there dey shine teeth for me. answer na! you think say you don double cross me, e surprise you say i get many bullets for my arsenal.

The fact I can put down all your arguements shows that I am the one right in this issue, not you. But I understand you all: You have been taught this for long and you did not bother to look at this yourselves so when someone comes up with it, you are out off guard. You, the christian, who is suppose to be standing on the solid rock, according to your teachings, and that you are the one who should come out on top in discussions like this, is the one falling to me. Thr fact you fall, means I am the one who is right.

MiddleDimension:


no, no stay there dey shine teeth for me. answer na! you think say you don double cross me, e surprise you say i get many bullets for my arsenal.

The fact I can put down all your arguements shows that I am the one right in this issue, not you. But I understand you all: You have been taught this for long and you did not bother to look at this yourselves so when someone comes up with it, you are out off guard. You, the christian, who is suppose to be standing on the solid rock, according to your teachings, and that you are the one who should come out on top in discussions like this, is the one falling to me. Thr fact you fall, means I am the one who is right.

dont hype yourself, you can't possibly be right

Obviously, you are a foreigner who knows nothing about Africa or 9ja,what can you possibly argue?
that's why i smiled and decline responding when i noticed this.

The Joyce Mayer case you mentioned is just one out a million.
Meanwhile, thousands of polygamous brought-up children especially in Africa are continually faced with lack of fortune and opportunities some of which are depressed,confined and conceded into a perpetual substandard living due to competition for parental attention they had experienced while growing up as children in a polygamous setting.
So, polygamy is nothing to write home about, compared to one man one wife blessed unions that have ensured a better upbringing of children and a better society at the long run

Smalljesus, Westerhof and now the op. Una don dey wake up small small

paxonel:
dont hype yourself, you can't possibly be right

Obviously, you are a foreigner who knows nothing about Africa or 9ja,what can you possibly argue?
that's why i smiled and decline responding when i noticed this.

The Joyce Mayer case you mentioned is just one out a million.

lets see if we have 2 in a million, 3 in a million to 1 million in a million in monogamies.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-67291093

https://apnews.com/article/austria-rape-incest-father-daughter-747925e89108567623e07e72cfa357ec

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/father-arrested-for-raping-impregnating-minor-girls-9097227/

https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/bihar-man-rapes-two-minor-daughters-for-a-decade-on-advice-of-an-tantrik-to-have-a-son/articleshow/103687918.cms

https://punchng.com/father-rapes-18-year-old-daughter-in-shop/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4121114/Mother-started-having-sex-son-12-came-bed-sick-feel-important-special-hitting-puberty.html

https://www.pulse.ng/gist/pop-culture/shocking-meet-mother-who-has-sex-with-15-yr-old-son-shares-a-baby-with-him/1s28xmw

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/sex/news/a45861/mother-arrested-having-sex-with-son/

https://people.com/health/when-a-child-sexually-abuses-a-sibling-a-mothers-story/

And polygamy is not one of the reasons mentioned here responsible for filial sexual abuse.

https://www.siblingsexualtrauma.com/whydotheydoit

paxonel:
Meanwhile, thousands of polygamous brought-up children especially in Africa are continually faced with lack of fortune and opportunities some of which are depressed,confined and conceded into a perpetual substandard living due to competition for parental attention they had experienced while growing up as children in a polygamous setting.
So, polygamy is nothing to write home about, compared to one man one wife blessed unions that have ensured a better upbringing of children and a better society at the long run

Hogwash!

Maximus692:


Don't worry there's nothing wrong with both whether polygamy or polyandry after all God never condemned any!

does it matter to you at all the mind of god concerning things?

MiddleDimension:


lets see if we have 2 in a million, 3 in a million to 1 million in a million in monogamies.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-67291093

https://apnews.com/article/austria-rape-incest-father-daughter-747925e89108567623e07e72cfa357ec

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/father-arrested-for-raping-impregnating-minor-girls-9097227/

https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/bihar-man-rapes-two-minor-daughters-for-a-decade-on-advice-of-an-tantrik-to-have-a-son/articleshow/103687918.cms

https://punchng.com/father-rapes-18-year-old-daughter-in-shop/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4121114/Mother-started-having-sex-son-12-came-bed-sick-feel-important-special-hitting-puberty.html

https://www.pulse.ng/gist/pop-culture/shocking-meet-mother-who-has-sex-with-15-yr-old-son-shares-a-baby-with-him/1s28xmw

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/uk/love-sex/sex/news/a45861/mother-arrested-having-sex-with-son/

https://people.com/health/when-a-child-sexually-abuses-a-sibling-a-mothers-story/

And polygamy is not one of the reasons mentioned here responsible for filial sexual abuse.

https://www.siblingsexualtrauma.com/whydotheydoit



Hogwash!

You are not getting what I'm saying

I do not argue that all these do not happen in monogamy.
I'm telling you that the high number of out of school children in Africa which translate to societal irresponsibility is directly proportional to the high number of polygamous family.

Remember, the family is a unit of the society.
That means, whatever happens in the family in terms of increase population and child upbringing has it direct impact to the society.

I gave you an instance, Northern part of Nigeria where I'm living. It is no news that for every 10 families in that religion, atleast 7 or 8 of them are polygamous.
Polygamy is their religious and traditional value.
Yet, it is also no news that the highest rate of terrorism, banditry, kidnapping, high way robbery, etc happens in that part of the country, compared to what is happening in southern Nigeria where most families currently are monogamous

You are not living in Nigeria, so you should listen