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1.Post-tribulationists believe that the
rapture will not occur until the end of
the seven year tribulation, just prior to
the beginning of the millennial kingdom.
2. Mid-tribulationists believe that the
rapture will occur three and one half
years into the tribulation, at beginning
of the three and one half year great
tribulation.
3. Pre-tribulationists believe that the
rapture will occur immediately before the tribulation.
Fellow nairalanders,which of these position is right? what's your take on this!!

Read rev 10 vs7 and read rev 11 vs 15.

twosquare:
1.Post-tribulationists believe that the rapture will not occur until the end of the seven year tribulation, just prior to the beginning of the millennial kingdom.
2. Mid-tribulationists believe that the rapture will occur three and one half years into the tribulation, at beginning of the three and one half year great tribulation.
3. Pre-tribulationists believe that the rapture will occur immediately before the tribulation. Fellow nairalanders,which of these position is right? what's your take on this!!

None of them are Scriptural though!

First of all, Jesus Christ, made clear that the Tribulation He described would take place in the same generation that His disciples lived in, we are talking about the period around the destruction of Jerusalem over 1900 years ago. That serves as more than enough evidence to discredit all 3 positions. Unless of course one instead believes Jesus Christ lied to His followers in the context of Matthew 24 vs 1 - 44 & Mark 13 vs 1 - 31 & Luke 21 vs 5 - 33 regarding when the Tribulation He spoke of would take place.

Scriptures never suggest that there is going to be rapture or any tribulation for Christians.

Post -tribulation, pre-tribulation or whatever, are all fictional ideas and doctrines of the human minds and fears

I believe it is mid-tribulation

paxonel:
Scriptures never suggest that there is going to be rapture or any tribulation for Christians.

Post -tribulation, pre-tribulation or whatever, are all fictional ideas and doctrines of the human minds and fears

See how you show you are a.Deluded Liar? So the present troubulations blowing all around the world are not real?

What a mad delusion you carry.

CaptainJune:
I believe it is mid-tribulation

Wrong. As scripture foretold, the rapture took place before the troubulations started.

Veecruz:
See how you show you are a.Deluded Liar? So the present troubulations blowing all around the world are not real?

whatever we call tribulation today is not what the bible is referring to as great tribulation

What a mad delusion you carry.

search yourself.
The truth has nothing to with anyone's emotions

paxonel:
whatever we call tribulation today is not what the bible is referring to as great tribulation
search yourself.
The truth has nothing to with anyone's emotions

You love denials and delisuons too much. Without a doubt, every normal person has seen that the family structure is broken down and that family members are now enemies, fathers killing sons and sons killing fathers, exactly as prophecied.

The moon has been red for a long while instead of its customary white. We had the hardness of buying and selling, whoredom is increased, as prophecied, yet you say this troubulations are not what was prophecied?

Please, keep your delusions away.from public discussions

Kobojunkie:
None of them are Scriptural though!

First of all, Jesus Christ, made clear that the Tribulation He described would take place in the same generation that His disciples lived in, we are talking about the period around the destruction of Jerusalem over 1900 years ago. That serves as more than enough evidence to discredit all 3 positions. Unless of course one instead believes Jesus Christ lied to His followers in the context of Matthew 24 vs 1 - 44 & Mark 13 vs 1 - 31 & Luke 21 vs 5 - 33 regarding when the Tribulation He spoke of would take place.

You aught to have been aborted but your deeper life mum took wrong decision to keep you to be a menace and nuisance to the peace of nairaland and the world.

Plus1234:
You aught to have been aborted but your deeper life mum took wrong decision to keep you to be a menace and nuisance to the peace of nairaland and the world.

notice how your every attack is against that which Jesus Christ Himself said?

Kobojunkie:
notice how your every attack is against that which Jesus Christ Himself said?

I will continue to attack you online and spiritually until you stop twisting the Word Of God and confusing Christians.

Plus1234:
I will continue to attack you online and spiritually until you stop twisting the Word Of God and confusing Christians.

You mean attack Jesus Christ since He is the one who said the tribulation He described would happen in the very same generation that His disciples lived in?

29 “Right after the trouble of those days, this will happen:‘The sun will become dark, and the moon will not give light.The stars will fall from the sky, and everything in the sky will be changed.’[c]
30 “Then there will be something in the sky that shows the Son of Man is coming. All the people of the world will cry. Everyone will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds in the sky. He will come with power and great glory.
31 He will use a loud trumpet to send his angels all aroun
32 “The fig tree teaches us a lesson: When its branches become green and soft, and new leaves begin to grow, then you know that summer is very near.
33 In the same way, when you see ALL these things happening, you will know that the time[d] is very near, already present.
34 I assure you that ALL these things will happen while some of the people of this time are still living.
35 The whole world, earth and sky, will be destroyed, but my words will last forever. - Matthew 24 vs 32 - 35

Do you believe All of what Jesus Christ said of the events to take place during the end of time, in fact, took place about 1900 years ago as Jesus Christ assured they would or do you reject these claims made by Jesus Christ in His Gospel?

You attack me because deep down you believe Jesus Christ was just a liar..

Veecruz:
You love denials and delisuons too much. Without a doubt, every normal person has seen that the family structure is broken down and that family members are now enemies, fathers killing sons and sons killing fathers, exactly as prophecied.

The moon has been red for a long while instead of its customary white. We had the hardness of buying and selling, whoredom is increased, as prophecied, yet you say this troubulations are not what was prophecied?

Please, keep your delusions away.from public discussions

You believe so much in conspiracy theories and that is the greatest decision.

Do you realize that tribulations like these have been through out the history of mankind?

paxonel:
You believe so much in conspiracy theories and that is the greatest decision.

Do you realize that tribulations like these have been through out the history of mankind?

See mad denial ooo.. Are the people who saw the beginning of these troubulations not stiil here?

Paxy, just stop talking clearly.you are mad and need your delusions to keep on living.

Veecruz:
See mad denial ooo.. Are the people who saw the beginning of these troubulations not stiil here?

Paxy, just stop talking clearly.you are mad and need your delusions to keep on living.

Look my friend, what you are experiencing now that you are calling tribulation is no where to be compared to what people experienced during the slave trade era.

So, stop shouting

paxonel:
Look my friend, what you are experiencing now that you are calling tribulation is no where to be compared to what people experienced during the slave trade era.

So, stop shouting

See, new argument because you cannot face the real eyeity.

Is it not only those stolen as slaves that suffered?

Has your great grandfather and ggmother and your step fathers and step motheres and their families and villages not proven that they were not affected by slavery?

Bros, you are mad like Sonmvayina and as Sonma needs hard drugs to live so do you need your delusions.

Plus1234:
I will continue to attack you online and spiritually until you stop twisting the Word Of God and confusing Christians.

O boy, he is like Satan, Cain and Lamech, so he is one of the cases God would handle personally.

Plus1234:
I will continue to attack you online and spiritually until you stop twisting the Word Of God and confusing Christians.

E be say this one get evil spirit... E don dey form spirit or e con dey form spirit... Which spirit be spiritually? Evil spirit?

paxonel:
whatever we call tribulation today is not what the bible is referring to as great tribulation
search yourself.
The truth has nothing to with anyone's emotions

But Jesus Christ had mentioned tribulation as signs of his coming?

denisbid:
But Jesus Christ had mentioned tribulation as signs of his coming?

Like i have said before, Jesus has come already, so the said tribulation as a sign of his coming happened approximately 2000 years ago when he came.
So don't expect any sign called tribulation anymore.

Everything misfortune you see as tribulation today have no connection with any coming of Christ.

People are confusely being drunk with a mental shift by religion, example is that peecruz or whatever he called himself that seems like water is filled his brain, i have already marked his moniker along with the list of mentally derailed people on this forum

paxonel:
Like i have said before, Jesus has come already, so the said tribulation as a sign of his coming happened approximately 2000 years ago when he came.
So don't expect any sign called tribulation anymore.

Everything misfortune you see as tribulation today have no connection with any coming of Christ.

People are confusely being drunk with a mental shift by religion, example is that peecruz or whatever he called himself that seems like water is filled his brain, i have already marked his moniker along with the list of mentally derailed people on this forum

Some people are just full of emotions that they can't detect when they commit fallacies

denisbid:


Some people are just full of emotions that they can't detect when they commit fallacies

they fail to understand that they cannot win arguments with fallacies

Even if what they are saying is true, with fallacies they are locked

paxonel:
Like i have said before, Jesus has come already, so the said tribulation as a sign of his coming happened approximately 2000 years ago when he came. ..

As i have said, your delusions have made you mad.

How can the people with Him ask him while with him and seeing Him say ".Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign OF THY COMING, and of the end of the world?

If the signs were with Him 2000 years back, then how would Jesus Answer that "Ye shall hear..., ye shall see..., many shall come..."

Your delusions make you mad!

denisbid:


Some people are just full of emotions that they can't detect when they commit fallacies

Dont be a coward, speak to my face and lay the fallacy you think i commited, if you are not a Liar?

Veecruz:
Dont be a coward, speak to my face and lay the fallacy you think i commited, if you are not a Liar?

When you place your argument, you don't start by insulting people.
The moment you start using words like Coward, Liar, delusion, etc, you have already committed a fallacy called ad hominem. Google it and find out the meaning incase you were not told in school.

You see the way paxonel has ignored you, if you make the same mistake again and quote me, i will not even bother, do worry

Read rev 10 vs7 and read rev 11 vs 15.

The information described in much of Revelations, Seven Trumpets, horsemen stories, and so on, all took place about 1900 years ago, as Jesus Christ said they all would.

6 The angel made a promise by the power of the one who lives forever and ever. He is the one who made the skies and all that is in them. He made the earth and all that is in it, and he made the sea and all that is in it. The angel said, “There will be no more waiting!
7 In the days when the seventh angel is ready to blow his trumpet, God’s secret plan will be completed—the Good News that God told to his servants, the prophets.” - Revelations 10 vs 6 - 7

....

15 The seventh angel blew his trumpet. Then there were loud voices in heaven. The voices said,“The kingdom of the world has now become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah. And he will rule forever and ever.”
16 Then the 24 elders bowed down on their faces and worshiped God. These are the elders who sit on their thrones before God.
17 The elders said, “We give thanks to you, Lord God All-Powerful. You are the one who is and who always was. We thank you because you have used your great power and have begun to rule.
18 The people of the world were angry, but now is the time for your anger. Now is the time for the dead to be judged. It is time to reward your servants, the prophets, and to reward your holy people, the people, great and small, who respect you. It is time to destroy those people who destroy the earth!”
19 Then God’s temple in heaven was opened. The Box of the Agreement[b] could be seen in his temple. Then there were flashes of lightning, noises, thunder, an earthquake, and a great hailstorm. - Revelations 11 vs 15 - 19

denisbid:
When you place your argument, you don't start by insulting people.
The moment you start using words like Coward, Liar, delusion, etc, you have already committed a fallacy called ad hominem. Google it and find out the meaning incase you were not told in school.

You see the way paxonel has ignored you, if you make the same mistake again and quote me, i will not even bother, do worry

Calling a person who is seen dodging and acting like a coward, is not a fallacy.

Fallacies are about things that are not True or about fouls commited because an opponent cannot make a valid, reasonable and an argument that is true or is trying to unlawfully prevent an opponent from lawfully presenting his argument in counter for due examination.

Those are all the grounds of fallacies and i did not break anyone of them for rather, i even invited you to come and have a fair and just argument with me.

And Paxo did not ignore me, he stopped answering because he has no valid and true argument to make, for it is a Law , there is no valid argument against the Truth., so he nust stop where Truth stops

So, now you can see, fallacy is not the only Law of argument, there are many other rules that regulate fair argument.

Here are some
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Quora
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What are the basic rules of an 'argument'?
26 Jan 2019 — What are the basic rules of an 'argument'?
Top answer · 4 votes
The first basic rule is: Fight fair! No low blows, no insults or ad hominems. No fallacious


2. THE FREEDOM RULE
PARTIES MUST NOT PREVENT EACH OTHER FROM PUTTING FORWARD STANDPOINTS OR CASTING DOUBT ON STANDPOINTS.

(van Eemeren et al. 110)

See how atheists attacked Aemmyjah

Re: Does God Exist? by Thorrn(f): 11:20pm On Oct 29, 2023
Aemmyjah:
Does God Exist?
The Bible’s answer...

Aw, shut up.

How many more times are we going to entertain this ridiculous circus from religious people?

3. THE BURDEN-OF-PROOF RULE- He who asserts must prove.

But atheists unreasonably think that once a person is to prove, he must prove forever (which is why they keep asking one silly off point question or the other ready to ask you these off point and irrelevant questions forever till you reasonably give up and then they say you have not proven your case.

And this is where they hate me because I cut them off with the laws of debate which guards against all stupid and unreasonable and invalid questions or argument..

And whilst they are keeping you busy asking all these stupd questions, they pretend not to know and see and hope to distract you with their useless questions, that once proof has been given, the burden of proof has shifted to them for them to give their own evidence of rebuttal.

And usually, because they have none, and because people do not know that the burden has shifted, they keep wailing that you should attend to their distractive off point arguments. which if you do, the burden of proof returns back to you, THEREBY EVADING AND ESCAPING THEIR DUTY OF DISCHARGING THE BURDEN OF PROOF WHICH FELL ON THEM.

4) THE STANDPOINT RULE (AkA OFF POINT/GOAL POST SHIFTING RULE. THE BIGGEST VIOLATIONS ATHEIST COMMIT) grin Which is why you see Thorn complaining and lying that there is no Rule.

"A PARTY’S ATTACK ON A STANDPOINT MUST RELATE TO THE STANDPOINT THAT HAS INDEED BEEN ADVANCED BY THE OTHER PARTY (You cannot go off point).

(van Eemeren et al. 116)

Your standpoint is simply your claim, your basic argument in a nutshell. If you disagree with another person’s argument or they disagree with yours, the actual standpoint and not some related but more easily attacked issue must be addressed. For example, one person might argue that the rhetoric of global warming has created a multimillion-dollar green industry benefiting from fears over climate change. This is an argument about the effects of global warming rhetoric, not global warming itself. It would break the standpoint rule to argue that the writer/speaker does not believe in global warming. This is not the issue at hand.

More here https://www.nairaland.com/7956638/some-atheists-pretend-not-know#127761745

paxonel:
they fail to understand that they cannot win arguments with fallacies

Even if what they are saying is true, with fallacies they are locked

Yeah!

I could not envisage
Though I have reasoned with all you have been saying, but your stand about rapture, i do not totally agree with you.

Let's starts from here like this
You know, God has promise his people that where he is, that is where they will also be.
So if God is in heaven, certainly we will also be with him in heaven

denisbid:
Yeah!

I could not envisage
Though I have reasoned with all you have been saying, but your stand about rapture, i do not totally agree with you.

Let's starts from here like this
You know, God has promise his people that where he is, that is where they will also be.
So if God is in heaven, certainly we will also be with him in heaven

and I keep asking the question, where is this heaven?

Have you ever bothered to ask the same question too?

paxonel:
and I keep asking the question, where is this heaven?

Have you ever bothered to ask the same question too?

It doesn't really matter.

As much as heaven is on earth, so it is in heaven where God is located

denisbid:
It doesn't really matter.

As much as heaven is on earth, so it is in heaven where God is located

OK, how about this?

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Do you have any scripture that says otherwise or any scripture indicating that God is somewhere beyond the clouds order than our body?
You will never see any such scripture.

And i keep wonder, if you are raptured to the clouds, you will end up meeting dead bodies like jupiter, Saturn, Uranius and Neptune, not God