There will be nothing like south south, if Biafra ever emerges..

FatherOfJesus:
You are asking questions like someone with poor geographical knowledge of Nigeria.

There's nothing like river mouth, it's called Delta. And river Nile has more volume of discharge than River Niger and it is still affected by dams.

Sorry to jump in as I couldnt resist because this is a geographical issue. You are not getting the point of the person you quoted.

It's almost impossible to dam a first class river near its mouth I.e at the delta where it's already kilometres wide and where the flood plain topography is not dam-friendly.

All the examples you gave: Colorado, Aswani on the Nile are all dams at the upper or middle course where there are gorges that are conducive for damming. There has to be some sort of high ground on both sides of the river that will hold the dam.

At the Onitsha point where it has almost reached the Atlantic and with the flat topography, damming the Niger will be ludicrous as the costs required (that's if its possible) will be unprecedented and economically senseless.

ebufa:




Bonny,Port Harcourt and opobo are all Igboland................If southsouth no agree,we will Putinize them the Russian way!!

Bonny , Opobo and Port Harcourt Waterfront are all Ijaw

kenny714433:


Now take a look at this river map I shared and answer my question. If you build the dam at Onitsha to stop river that flows all the way from Mali, Niger, Chad etc.

1. Would Biafra keep gulping the water because no matter the kind of dam being built, it must discharge into the Atlantic (That's the river course)

2. Would they channel it to Cameroon or to Lagos? Or maybe they would create a flat earth and reverse the flow of water.

3. Would they kukuma create an ocean in Onitsha and cut off the Atlantic ocean?

Answer that question and stop blabbering about what you don't know. Read to understand what volume of discharge, pressure head, upstream and downstream means before you think of damming a river that directly empties into the Atlantic at onitsha.

He forgets that the water must flow, and the volume can't be contained, because the earth is not flat. na their delusional mind, and half intelligence, don't waste your time arguing with them. There are various sources of river flow into South South, even the Lagos lagoon, connects to South South via a channel and several other channels me and you don't know of.

Queenslander:
There will be nothing like south south, if Biafra ever emerges..

With the ragtag cowards who can't win a single biafran territory, and whose leader is eating beans in the cage?

Biafra have never won any war.

9jarockstv:


We from the south nor get problem with SE. We will give them what they want.

We already know the people trying to cause confusion between the SS and SE.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, it is foolishness to expect SS and SE to be enemies when they are closely knitted by religion, geography, culture and commerce.

We have no issues with SE and never will. Those who don't like it can slam their head on the ground for all I care.

ThierryJay:


Sorry to jump in as I couldnt resist because this is a geographical issue. You are not getting the point of the person you quoted.

It's almost impossible to dam a first class river near its mouth I.e at the delta where it's already kilometres wide and where the flood plain topography is not dam-friendly.

All the examples you gave: Colorado, Aswani on the Nile are all dams at the upper or middle course where there are gorges that are conducive for damming. There has to be some sort of high ground on both sides of the river that will hold the dam.

At the Onitsha point where it has almost reached the Atlantic and with the flat topography, damming the Niger will be ludicrous as the costs required (that's if its possible) will be unprecedented and economically senseless.

One example of a dam that is very close to the sea is the Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River in China. The Three Gorges Dam is located only 150 km (90 miles) from the East China Sea. While the dam has provided many benefits, such as hydropower and flood control, it has also caused significant environmental and social problems, including habitat loss, erosion, and displacement of people living along the river.

Just to burst your bubbles, Yangtze river has 6 times thr flow rate of River Niger.150km is just like a distance from Lagos to Ibadan.

It means that you are capping.
The gorges dam is the biggest dam in with world

ThierryJay:


Sorry to jump in as I couldnt resist because this is a geographical issue. You are not getting the point of the person you quoted.

It's almost impossible to dam a first class river near its mouth I.e at the delta where it's already kilometres wide and where the flood plain topography is not dam-friendly.

All the examples you gave: Colorado, Aswani on the Nile are all dams at the upper or middle course where there are gorges that are conducive for damming. There has to be some sort of high ground on both sides of the river that will hold the dam.

At the Onitsha point where it has almost reached the Atlantic and with the flat topography, damming the Niger will be ludicrous as the costs required (that's if its possible) will be unprecedented and economically senseless.

The hoover dam in the Colorado River, is 50km away from the ocean. That's practically very close to the deltaic mouth.

I don't know where you guys get all these rubbish. Technology has gone far. The Colorado give us a first class river.

Johnjustice:

He forgets that the water must flow, and the volume can't be contained, because the earth is not flat. na their delusional mind, and half intelligence, don't waste your time arguing with them. There are various sources of river flow into South South, even the Lagos lagoon, connects to South South via a channel and several other channels me and you don't know of.

This is nonsense, a river with 6 times the flow rate of river Niger has dam on it.

What are you people saying. Arrant nonsense

Browse about the Gorges and then come back, let's discuss.
Where the Georges is located is about the distance from Imo state to the ocean if you follow Niger major tributary.

And Niger did not form any deltaic mouth until to flows to Bayelsa, anything can be done to it before that deltaic mouth.

You think if Nigeria divides its only south east that will go? Dey play

South South is the most positioned to become a great independent country, and we will choose who to do business with.

Go and rest with your hypothetical scenario which doesn't include all scenarios

FatherOfJesus:
This is nonsense, a river with 6 times the flow rate of river Niger has dam on it.

What are you people saying. Arrant nonsense

Browse about the Gorges and then come back, let's discuss.
Where the Georges is located is about the distance from Imo state to the ocean if you follow Niger major tributary.

And Niger did not form any deltaic mouth until to flows to Bayelsa, anything can be done to it before that deltaic mouth.

You can't even stop the flow of water source, that will lead to war...the River doesn't belong to you, if yiu stop it's flow, tribes and nations will invade your country, destroy you, to ensure the River flows...you will be looking for trouble if you try that.

Delusional again, always saying what you can't do.

You people always talk nonsense, seems that mpurru miri has destroyed your reasoning.

FatherOfJesus:


One example of a dam that is very close to the sea is the Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze River in China. The Three Gorges Dam is located only 150 km (90 miles) from the East China Sea. While the dam has provided many benefits, such as hydropower and flood control, it has also caused significant environmental and social problems, including habitat loss, erosion, and displacement of people living along the river.

Just to burst your bubbles, Yangtze river has 6 times thr flow rate of River Niger.150km is just like a distance from Lagos to Ibadan.

It means that you are capping.
The gorges dam is the biggest dam in with world

It baffles me how you stubbornly ignored the technicalities of my comment just to appear correct.

You said 3 gorges dam. I already said for there to be a dam, there has to be a gorgelike topography which is typically not found in the lower course of a river. It's a rarity that Yangzte river has gorges just 150km from its mouth. But the river Niger does not have that luxury, so.where would the dam be sited? If anything your post just proves me.right.

You also failed to mention that the so called 3 gorges dam cost over 31billion usd as far back as 2005 which would be equivalent to more than 50billion usd in today's terms.

Pray tell how you expect to expend way.more than Nigeria's entire reported reserves on a single dam. Does this make financial sense to you?

FatherOfJesus:
The hoover dam in the Colorado River, is 50km away from the ocean. That's practically very close to the deltaic mouth.

I don't know where you guys get all these rubbish. Technology has gone far. The Colorado give us a first class river.

The only rubbish here is your poor analytical displays.

Hoover dam is practically built in between canyons which hold the dam wall tightly. Please tell me where you can find that kind of structure/topography on the Niger from Onitsha downwards.

You are just picking up foreign examples without situating it within the context of River Niger's realities.

ThierryJay:


It baffles me how you stubbornly ignored the technicalities of my comment just to appear correct.

You said 3 gorges dam. I already said for there to be a dam, there has to be a gorgelike topography which is typically not found in the lower course of a river. It's a rarity that Yangzte river has gorges just 150km from its mouth. But the river Niger does not have that luxury, so.where would the dam be sited? If anything your post just proves me.right.

You also failed to mention that the so called 3 gorges dam cost over 31billion usd as far back as 2005 which would be equivalent to more than 50billion usd in today's terms.

Pray tell how you expect to expend way.more than Nigeria's entire reported reserves on a single dam. Does this make financial sense to you?

All your comments are assumption, the only thing that makes sense here is the cost.

You are assuming that it has to be like Gorges kind of topography to make a dam, that is wrong. And secondly you don't know jack about the topography of river Niger from Onitsha to Bayelsa, you are only assuming.

If you are talking about the high cost, I will agree with you but telling about technicalities is total nonsense. You have little knowledge about technicalities, you are assuming a lot

FatherOfJesus:
All your comments are assumption, the only thing that makes sense here is the cost.

You are assuming that it has to be like Gorges kind of topography to make a dam, that is wrong. And secondly you don't know jack about the topography of river Niger from Onitsha to Bayelsa, you are only assuming.

Assuming what has already been mapped for over a century? Do we assume Nigerias borders as well? Guy you must be a joke!

ThierryJay:


The only rubbish here is your poor analytical displays.

Hoover dam is practically built in between canyons which hold the dam wall tightly. Please tell me where you can find that kind of structure/topography on the Niger from Onitsha downwards.

You are just picking up foreign examples without situating it within the context of River Niger's realities.

I have been able to disprove you that you can build a Dam few kilometers before a deltaic mouth. We have such dams not one or 2 around the world.

The only straw you can hold on to now is cost and this is only the aspect I can gree with you. You know nothing about the topography of niger river from ontisha to Bayelsa, not a lot of people in Nigeria know about it. So your topography argument is baseless. One would require a research team to study if such project is to be initated.

Th idea that only the gorgeels kind of topography can even contain a dam is nonsense.

ThierryJay:


Assuming what has already been mapped for over a century? Do we assume Nigerias borders as well? Guy you must be a joke!

You moving from pillar to post.

From its not possible to build a dam close to the mouth of a first class river to, topography to cost and now border.

You also need to be a joke to think that if Nigeria divides, there will be anything like Nigeria 😂

Lol

South South would not be Obligated to give another Country anything not agreed to

FatherOfJesus:
I have been able to disprove you that you can build a Dam few kilometers before a deltaic mouth. We have such dams not one or 2 around the world.

The only straw you can hold on to now is cost and this is only the aspect I can gree with you. You know nothing about the topography of niger river from ontisha to Bayelsa, not a lot of people in Nigeria know about it. So your topography argument is baseless. One would require a research team to study if such project is to be initated.

Th idea that only the gorgeels kind of topography can even contain a dam is nonsense.

The Nigerian Rivers and Bayeksa. States are Flood Plains

FatherOfJesus:
I have been able to disprove you that you can build a Dam few kilometers before a deltaic mouth. We have such dams not one or 2 around the world.

The only straw you can hold on to now is cost and this is only the aspect I can gree with you. You know nothing about the topography of niger river from ontisha to Bayelsa, not a lot of people in Nigeria know about it. So your topography argument is baseless. One would require a research team to study if such project is to be initated.

Th idea that only the gorgeels kind of topography can even contain a dam is nonsense.

If you are ignorant then it's limited to you. Not me or others who are already aware. Topography of regions has been available for ages. You are not aware of cartographic maps, remote sensing images and you cover your ignorance with a general assumption of ignorance.

Below is the landscape of the Niger at Onitsha. It's obvious that it's a flat plain topography.

Saying you don't need a gorge or deep valley to build a dam at an efficient cost is just ridiculous. It's like saying you don't need land to build a non-mobile house. Do you know the large scale of communities around Onitsha that would be wiped out by submersion from erecting a dam there?

I see that you just want to argue and seems to repel any semblance of common sense. Please go ahead with your fallacies, at least I have put in a decent time of educating you. Won't reply again.

ThierryJay:


If you are ignorant then it's limited to you. Not me or others who are already aware. Topography of regions has been available for ages. You are not aware of cartographic maps, remote sensing images and you cover your ignorance with a general assumption of ignorance.

Below is the landscape of the Niger at Onitsha. It's obvious that it's a flat plain topography.

Saying you don't need a gorge or deep valley to build a dam at an efficient cost is just ridiculous. It's like saying you don't need land to build a non-mobile house. Do you know the large scale of communities around Onitsha thay would be wiped out by submersion from erecting a dam there?

I see that you just want to argue and seems to repel any semblance of common sense. Please go ahead with your fallacies, at least I have put in a decent time of educating you. Won't reply again.

you must not have a gorges topography to build a dam.

Ignoramus, the topography of river Niger from ontisha to the sea is not the same. Stop showing me Niger bridge as an example

This question is based on some funny suppositions.

In the event that the South East becomes a country, the South South will remain a part of Naijeriya.

Since the South South does not have any real hostility on its own against the South East, we have to assume that any attempt to block access to the sea 'by the South South' can only come from the government of Naijeriya, likely led/dominated by either northerners or Yorubas.

The South South, being the lonely disparate minorities in that new Naijeriya dominated by abokki elements and Yoruba elements would be foolish enough to allow itself be used against the independent 'South East Country' with which it shares significant historical and heritage/ethno-cultural ties. Imagine bearing the name 'Emeka' as a South South Naijeriyan after the Igbos have exited the contraption. You will be treated very well by the abokki and Yoruba dominatrons, right?

So, this thread is just for wild academic exertions. There is nothing practical in the idea projected by the OP.

The world as we know will come to an end very soon, in fact, in our lifetime. So all these speculations of what we happen should Nigeria divide is absolutely useless

Johnjustice:

With the ragtag cowards who can't win a single biafran territory, and whose leader is eating beans in the cage?

Biafra have never won any war.

So Nigeria Army have won war before? Who did they fight with?

Christistruth00:



Bonny , Opobo and Port Harcourt Waterfront are all Ijaw

even okrika is not Ijaw talk more of the Igbo speaking places you mentioned.

Jesus Christ the things that randomly runs through you people's minds 😂🤣😂

Are all Nigerian youths on drugs🤔

You know what I often wonder, what if flies could talk?
Better or Worse for humanity 🙆🏾

Armaggedon:
even okrika is not Ijaw talk more of the Igbo speaking places you mentioned.

So you think Ijaw Patiience Jonathan, GEJ’s wife is SE

She isn’t

She is from Okrika

Christistruth00:



So you think Ijaw Patiience Jonathan, GEJ’s wife is SE

She isn’t

She is from Okrika

Patience Jonathan is a fluent Igbo speaker. I doubt she speaks any other native language. No trace of Ijaw in Rivers state. They are found in some places in Bayelsa.

Armaggedon:
Patience Jonathan is a fluent Igbo speaker. I doubt she speaks any other native language. No trace of Ijaw in Rivers state. They are found in some places in Bayelsa.

obasanjo is a fluent Igbo speaker too
Patience Jonathan and Asari Dokubo are Rivers State Ijaws stop lying

Armaggedon:
Patience Jonathan is a fluent Igbo speaker. I doubt she speaks any other native language. No trace of Ijaw in Rivers state. They are found in some places in Bayelsa.

Such ignorance

I can count atleast 15 friends that are Ijaw from Rivers.

Chest beaters always claiming what is not theirs.

FatherOfJesus:
There's an UNCLOS international law that lays down a comprehensive regime of law and order in the world's oceans and seas establishing rules governing all uses of the oceans and their resources.

UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). This convention stipulates that countries that are landlocked but have a direct river that connects to the sea have a right to access the sea. Specifically, this is known as the right of "transit passage" and it allows the landlocked country to use the river to reach the sea for trade and other purposes.

Article 125 of the UNCLOS is the article that outlines the right of transit passage for landlocked countries. This article states that landlocked countries have the right to transit through another country's territory in order to reach the sea. The transit passage must be "continuous and expeditious", and it cannot be used for any purpose other than reaching the sea.
This means that by virtue of Imo river connecting directly to the sea from southeast, Southsouth cannot stop southeast from accessing the sea.

But, really, most likely southsouth may be hostile and decide to break this law, the issue may be taking to UN and back and back and forth. However, southeast can hurt southsouth as well. How?

Southeast can cut off river Niger from flowing into southsouth, by the virtue of diversion or building a large dam on it that ensures that water supply is limited in southsouth. This will cause serious environmental issues in the southsouth before and whenever southeast opens the dam. Flooding, ecosystem degradation and loss of Agricultural potentials. It will deplete the reverine ecosystem of southsouth because river Niger is the major body of water entering southsouth.
This has actually occurred several times, once with Syria and the headwaters of the Jordan river and now with Ethiopia and Egypt with Nile diversion.

I believe it’s universally understood as a casus belli, or reason for war and both Egypt and Israel handled it as such.
The Jordan River diversion directly led to the six day war.


At the end of the day, I think if Nigeria splits, both regions may have to cooperate else both will lose. And if the issue gets to UN, southeast will win via UNCLOS law.
The north can also do same by diverting the Niger river for other purposes, they won't lose much if they liase with southwest for access to seaport.

So it's best for southsouth not to even try to prevent Southeast from accessing the sea if Nigeria breaks, it will cause chaos for both regions and southsouth may lose more.

as it stands now, SE without Igbos in SS has full sea access and it's only people who don't understand geography that say this nonsense.
Anyways, Otti has sued FG for the port, so once it's built this stupidity won't be repeated
but a weak nation that blocks anything of a strong nation is destroyed.