Penguin2:

You used to be more reasonable than this.

You used to speak with facts and commonsense but I don’t know what happened to you.

Not even Tinubu himself would say what you are saying.

All those who doubted Obi before the elections have all hidden their faces in shame but you have refused to enthrone reason but chose to dwell in inanities.

Obi won Abuja

Obi won Nasarawa

Obi won Plateau

Obi lost Benue by just 3k votes.

Obi won Lagos

Obi won Edo

Obi won Cross River

Obi won Delta even when PDP Presidential running mate was from that state and a sitting governor.

Obi won Rivers.

Talking about Southeast would amount to overkill.

Yet you sit here and blab?

You said this on another thread and I ignored you and you came here to say it again.

I would understand if you don’t want Obi to become president for whatever your reason(s) might be, but don’t ever come around my space and be illogical and irrational.

You should know I don’t roll like that

Listen good ..
Free and fair of all fair conducted by best of humanity
Obi will lose ..

He will lose and still lose ..

Obi will only win .. when he’s contesting with him self or someone of no intend and character.

Keep telling youry What you wish to hear ..

Reality is different ..


You can stake you money on it ... if care not take. .. soludo will get it before Obi..

Yes..


I’m telling you nigeria reality and not your wish

Obi is a deep religious bigot..you guys are clinging to him because you think he’s the best of igbos ..

Wait make another Igbo with credibility among this politicians comes up against Obi.. Na when you go know say .. is on his own ..

You see Kanu and Ekpa.. you believe if kanu comes out tomorrow Ekpa will join him7

You just understand reality.. a lot is involved and interest from so many quarters .. when it comes to regional politics you obidients are playing

Truth will be bare .. unclothe..

garfield1:


Ask the average north central person,most of them are warming up to tinubu.as the core north are complaining,it is favouring the north central same way gej and obj did..the appointment of CDS from southern kaduna and sgf from benue has gained him large supporters from there.the fears of mm ticket favouring core north or bringing islamisation has been allayed.

The matter in nasarawa does not concern tinubu.it is between sule/adamu who were against tinubu vs ombugadu...it is a local matter.tinubu had no hand in it,it was orchestrated by the northern establishment.besides tinubu lost nasarawa narrowly so it is inconsequential.
In benue,tinubu has no hand in the crisis.whatever happens,tinubu will always do well in benue besides they have reconciled.look at rivers,even though tinubu is supporting wike,most of those supporting fubara have pledged loyalty to Tinubu...even if fct will vote obi again,wike performance will force more votes for tinubu...

In ss,akpabio position has won more fans for tinubu and apc.tje decamping of the popular senator oba is another advantage.the governor is very liberal and open to tinubu.obi took third here which tells you they don't send him.in crs,the election of prince as governor has strengthened APC.the governor is doing well and there is massive decamping from pdp to APC.hon Dansuki who was the pillar of Lp in CRS will join APC any moment.
In rivers,even fubara is currying the favour of tinubu so both fubara and wike will struggle to rig for tinubu...in delta,nothing much is happening but governor sheriff has been disappointing which is a plus for APC and tinubu is in alliance with rhe ibori's.
In Edo,if apc wins,it will increase its support base though obi will still win the state but not by same margin

I don’t think Akume as SGF has benefited the ordinary Benue man in any way that would make them like Tinubu. You and I know that Tinubu won Benue because of the Alia effect. If Fr Alia’s posturing changes in 2027, Tinubu will struggle to make 25% in Benue in 2027. Besides, Benue people are still being massacred in their sleep.

In Rivers, all those pledging of loyalty to Tinubu you see those guys doing is because they know they can’t fight powers that be. They know if they come out to openly stand against Tinubu it might be counterproductive because Tinubu might decide to align with Wike to dislodge Fubara in a very brutish manner and nothing will really happen. So, pledging loyalty to Tinubu is just to not make him apprehensive. But you and I know that neither Secondus nor Lee Maeba nor Omehia can control even 2% of Rivers voters. They will vote where they wanna vote in 2027 irrespective of who pledges loyalty to whom.

Will Okpebholo win Edo? Anything is possible. But I like the fact you admitted that not even Okpebholo as a sitting governor can change much about Edo people’s voting pattern in general election. Even Oshiomole couldn’t do it.

Doesn’t matter what happens in Cross River, Obi will win again and even Bayelsa won’t be rigged for Atiku again.

Most of those who were rigging for Atiku were doing it because they thought Obi didn’t stand a chance. But having seen how far Obi went despite their rigging against him, they now know that Obi can do it and nobody would be taking his votes and be giving to another candidate like Udom and Diri did last year.

Then ultimately, add the general disenchantment of the Nigerian people against Tinubu. The mass hunger, increased inflation, inhuman policies, etc.

Except these policies yield unprecedented results before 2027, Tinubu will struggle even in Southwest.

Frigga13:


Listen good ..
Free and fair of all fair conducted by best of humanity
Obi will lose ..

He will lose and still lose ..

Obi will only win .. when he’s contesting with him self or someone of no intend and character.

Keep telling youry What you wish to hear ..

Reality is different ..


You can stake you money on it ... if care not take. .. soludo will get it before Obi..

Yes..


I’m telling you nigeria reality and not your wish

Obi is a deep religious bigot..you guys are clinging to him because you think he’s the best of igbos ..

Wait make another Igbo with credibility among this politicians comes up against Obi.. Na when you go know say .. is on his own ..

You see Kanu and Ekpa.. you believe if kanu comes out tomorrow Ekpa will join him7

You just understand reality.. a lot is involved and interest from so many quarters .. when it comes to regional politics you obidients are playing

Truth will be bare .. unclothe..

It’s so nauseating that despite everything you see around Obi, you are still labouring so hard to restrict him as an Igbo project even when you know he’s not.

Obi’s popularity is not because he’s Igbo but because he’s the best Nigerian alive.

Or which other Igbo with your so called integrity will come and dislodge Obi?

Soludo that has damaged himself in Anambra and in the entire Igboland forever? Who will vote for him? Besides, what has he done in Anambra?

Or is it Umahi? What integrity or capacity does Umahi have to be rated above Obi by anyone in Igboland?

Or are you talking about an Igbo politician that is not yet born?

I think I’m just wasting my time with you sha.

Because I remember you swore Atiku was the next president after Buhari, where is he today?

You swore Obi will lose Anambra, what happened?

Now you are back to telling me how Obi will not win Southeast again while northern powerbrokers are already aligning with him. And you want me to take you seriously?

Penguin2:

It’s so nauseating that despite everything you see around Obi, you are still labouring so hard to restrict him as an Igbo project even when you know he’s not.

Obi’s popularity is not because he’s Igbo but because he’s the best Nigerian alive.

Or which other Igbo with your so called integrity will come and dislodge Obi?

Soludo that has damaged himself in Anambra and in the entire Igboland forever? Who will vote for him? Besides, what has he done in Anambra?

Or is it Umahi? What integrity or capacity does Umahi have to be rated above Obi by anyone in Igboland?

Or are you talking about an Igbo politician that is not yet born?

I think I’m just wasting my time with you sha.

Because I remember you swore Atiku was the next president after Buhari, where is he today?

You swore Obi will lose Anambra, what happened?

Now you are back to telling me how Obi will not win Southeast again while northern powerbrokers are already aligning with him. And you want me to take you seriously?

Tor

We’re Nigerians and Insha Allah we will alive to see time and events

Do you have something personal against Obi? Because this looks like hatred!

Frigga13:
Muslim Muslim ticket is his base..

Power returning to south is his key

That is the political game

Conduct election 50 million times ... Tinubu will keep flogging the religious catholic bigot ..

Atiku and north has accepted the reality of power coming south and returning north .. though we will always be politically relevant till it returns.

Obi has no south in his pockets .. forget the southeast that rigg him

He lost south south and north central... southwest is a no for him

Don’t even know why this Obi supporters always find it hard to believe reality..

Penguin2:

I don’t think Akume as SGF has benefited the ordinary Benue man in any way that would make them like Tinubu. You and I know that Tinubu won Benue because of the Alia effect. If Fr Alia’s posturing changes in 2027, Tinubu will struggle to make 25% in Benue in 2027. Besides, Benue people are still being massacred in their sleep.

In Rivers, all those pledging of loyalty to Tinubu you see those guys doing is because they know they can’t fight powers that be. They know if they come out to openly stand against Tinubu it might be counterproductive because Tinubu might decide to align with Wike to dislodge Fubara in a very brutish manner and nothing will really happen. So, pledging loyalty to Tinubu is just to not make him apprehensive. But you and I know that neither Secondus nor Lee Maeba nor Omehia can control even 2% of Rivers voters. They will vote where they wanna vote in 2027 irrespective of who pledges loyalty to whom.

Will Okpebholo win Edo? Anything is possible. But I like the fact you admitted that not even Okpebholo as a sitting governor can change much about Edo people’s voting pattern in general election. Even Oshiomole couldn’t do it.

Doesn’t matter what happens in Cross River, Obi will win again and even Bayelsa won’t be rigged for Atiku again.

Most of those who were rigging for Atiku were doing it because they thought Obi didn’t stand a chance. But having seen how far Obi went despite their rigging against him, they now know that Obi can do it and nobody would be taking his votes and be giving to another candidate like Udom and Diri did last year.

Then ultimately, add the general disenchantment of the Nigerian people against Tinubu. The mass hunger, increased inflation, inhuman policies, etc.

Except these policies yield unprecedented results before 2027, Tinubu will struggle even in Southwest.

When I told you that Alia will help tinubu win in benue,did you agree,so why are you agreeing now? Does that not show you how good I am at analyzing and why you should stop arguing blindly.

How many political posts favour the masses? Does that stop the masses from following the politicians? Did buhari govt favour the north.tjis thing is not about favouring the masses but having a sense of belonging and not feel marginalized.everu tribe wants to have their people at Abuja whether it favours them or not.
The tivs have been frozen out of national politics for years and idomas are the ones enjoying so now that they are there,they are grateful afterall they expected nothing.the tivs do not seem to like SE from what I am seeing.upon all the killings under buhari,did buhari not almost win benue? You still don't understand how voters reason...
Bayelsa was not rigged,I told you that obi worst performance in ss will be from bayelsa and aks.tje ijaws don't seem to fancy your area and the obidients fire never penetrated there.diri is somehow close to Tinubu so expect same narrow and useless result.even if obi wins CRS,it will be lower and meaningless.he will still lose aks by a bigger margin.if okpebholo wins,APC will get more support in esan thereby weakening obi.
The rigging in rivers really discouraged rivers voters and fubara is currying tinubu support.obi may still win SS but it will be meaningless.outside Lagos,obi will be buried as usual plus the core north.obi can not recover the deficit with the 5 SE states which tinubu can even supprezs

Igbos no wan gree say Tinubu na their master any day anytime. All Tinubu wanted in 2023 elections was for igbos not to vote for PDP, so he gave them Obi and the mugus fell for it. Tinubu na una papa any day anytime. He will give una another format in 2027.

LP is different from Obidients. Nigerians believe in Obi as a person and not LP

Judgementa1:


Una too dey overate this obi, how can north central be obi base when he only won two states.

Tinubu won in Niger, kogi, Kwara, and benue.

Obi only support base is S.E the additional votes he was able to muster was a result of the M.M ticket.

You should ask yourself why labour party perform poorly during senate, house of rep and governorship election.

You keep repeating this nonsense of Elrufai being messiah. Obidients have not accepted Elrufai and there's a possibility he might be accepted out of expediency and not because they see him differently. It was same way Tinubu accepted Buhari whom he had written of as a bigot in the past

helinues:
Where he got his votes from

The 2023 election still dey do you guys like film tricks right, wait for 2027 decimation

El Rufai is now the sudden messiah. Chai, abeg make una face trading and leave the politics for those who sabi am

DMerciful:
You keep repeating this nonsense of Elrufai being messiah. Obidients have not accepted Elrufai and there's a possibility he might be accepted out of expediency and not because they see him differently. It was same way Tinubu accepted Buhari whom he had written of as a bigot in the past

Why not go through the thread. Speak for yourself

I kno Obidients have not accepted Elrufai. I'm in many Obidients forums even on X, stop pushing a narrative that does not exist for now. Accepting Elrufai will be out of expediency because Tinubu has already made plans to rig the 2027 election so a more formidable force is required. If elections were to be free and fair, Obi will defeat Tinubu a 1000 times without campaigning and you know it

helinues:


Why not go through the thread. Speak for yourself

garfield1:


When I told you that Alia will help tinubu win in benue,did you agree,so why are you agreeing now? Does that not show you how good I am at analyzing and why you should stop arguing blindly.

How many political posts favour the masses? Does that stop the masses from following the politicians? Did buhari govt favour the north.tjis thing is not about favouring the masses but having a sense of belonging and not feel marginalized.everu tribe wants to have their people at Abuja whether it favours them or not.
The tivs have been frozen out of national politics for years and idomas are the ones enjoying so now that they are there,they are grateful afterall they expected nothing.the tivs do not seem to like SE from what I am seeing.upon all the killings under buhari,did buhari not almost win benue? You still don't understand how voters reason...
Bayelsa was not rigged,I told you that obi worst performance in ss will be from bayelsa and aks.tje ijaws don't seem to fancy your area and the obidients fire never penetrated there.diri is somehow close to Tinubu so expect same narrow and useless result.even if obi wins CRS,it will be lower and meaningless.he will still lose aks by a bigger margin.if okpebholo wins,APC will get more support in esan thereby weakening obi.
The rigging in rivers really discouraged rivers voters and fubara is currying tinubu support.obi may still win SS but it will be meaningless.outside Lagos,obi will be buried as usual plus the core north.obi can not recover the deficit with the 5 SE states which tinubu can even supprezs

You say these things because everywhere is still quiet because it’s not election time yet.

When election time arrives and this hunger everywhere hasn’t subsided, you will see that Tinubu will be scorched out of Aso Rock and no rigging will help him.

I’m sure no Imam would be stupid enough to still preach the gospel of M.M ticket to northerners if he doesn’t wanna be unfortunate.

So, while I admit that a lot of things might still happen between now and 2027 to change the variables of the polity, I posit that most of them will work in Obi’s favour than they would in Tinubu’s.

DMerciful:
I kno Obidients have not accepted Elrufai. I'm in many Obidients forums even on X, stop pushing a narrative that does not exist for now. Accepting Elrufai will be out of expediency because Tinubu has already made plans to rig the 2027 election so a more formidable force is required. If elections were to be free and fair, Obi will defeat Tinubu a 1000 times without campaigning and you know it

Are you more Obidients than the op?

DMerciful:
LP is different from Obidients. Nigerians believe in Obi as a person and not LP

If Nigerians believe in Obi, then how come all the candidates obi has supported and campaign for after the presidential election have lost .

Go and read past comments of Tinubu against Buhari but when it became clear that he needs Buhari to remove GEJ, he worked with him. Doesnt mean he considered Bubu as the messiah, its just an alliance of necessity.

Same way if Obi were to work with Elrufai,
doesn't mean we no longer consider Elrufai a bigot, only means we're willing to work with him for the greater good.

helinues:


Are you more Obidients than the op?

Before Obi joined LP, how many Governors, Reps, Senators and house of Assembly members does LP have?

Judgementa1:


If Nigerians believe in Obi, then how come all the candidates obi has supported after the presidential election have lost .

DMerciful:
Before Obi joined LP, how many Governors, Reps, Senators and house of Assembly members does LP have?

Mimiko was a two term governor of ondo under labour party

And also labour party had 4 elected senators and 8 house of representatives members in 2011

Penguin2:

You say these things because everywhere is still quiet because it’s not election time yet.

When election time arrives and this hunger everywhere hasn’t subsided, you will see that Tinubu will be scorched out of Aso Rock and no rigging will help him.

I’m sure no Imam would be stupid enough to still preach the gospel of M.M ticket to northerners if he doesn’t wanna be unfortunate.

So, while I admit that a lot of things might still happen between now and 2027 to change the variables of the polity, I posit that most of them will work in Obi’s favour than they would in Tinubu’s.

You still don't understand nigerians.no matter tinubu performance,a lot of people have biases against obi.the north will never choose obi against tinubu.no southerner has ever gotten votes in core north except those with mm ticket.the imams will still not preach for obi
On election day,tinubu will bring out money and a lot will still vote him.the who is who in Nigeria are all friendly with Tinubu

Answer the question intelligently. When Obi joined LP, how many governors, Reps, Senators, House of Assembly members did he met?

Judgementa1:


Mimiko was a two term governor of ondo under labour party

And also labour party had 4 elected senators in 2011

This is an Obidient space currently on that I'm in

helinues:
!

Are you more Obidients than the op?

DMerciful:
Answer the question intelligently. When Obi joined LP, how many governors, Reps, Senators, House of Assembly members did he met?

Why are u trying to be clever by half u said before.

Obi met non...what LP has today is because of Obi so how dare you imply that Obi has no political value?

Judgementa1:


Why are u trying to be clever by half u said before.

DMerciful:
This is an Obidient space currently on that I'm in

Are those on this thread who are known to Obidients have not cross carpet to Apc or Pdp. Cos I don't understand what your argument is all about.

Is this the first thread suggesting Peter Obi/ El Rufai ticket?

I'm saying Obidients do not see Elrufai as someone they'd embrace all of a sudden. Even if Obidients eventually accept him, they'd do so out of expediency and with caution, so making it look like Obidients are now glorifying Elrufai is pushing a mischievous narrative

helinues:


Are those in this thread who are known to Obidients have not cross carpet to Apc or Pdp. Cos I don't understand what your argument is all about.

Is this the first thread suggesting Peter Obi/ El Rufai ticket?

DMerciful:
Obi met non...what LP has today is because of Obi so how dare you imply that Obi has no political value?

Labour has 4 senators and 8 house of rep in 2011.

Nothing is special in what obi achieve with labour party, mimiko achieve the same when the party have fewer support.

I ask how many candidates obi campaign for after the presidential election won their election

The governors have been writing results in collaboration with INEC but because Obi is the target of Obidients, nobody is putting much energy into that. Watch out for Edo and Anambra elections.

Was there no election in 2015 and 2019? What did LP get?

Judgementa1:


Labour has 4 senators and 8 house of rep in 2011.

Nothing is special in what obi achieve with labour party, mimiko achieve the same when the party have fewer support.

I ask how many candidates obi campaign for after the presidential election won their election

DMerciful:
The governors have been writing results in collaboration with INEC but because Obi is the target of Obidients, nobody is putting much energy into that. Watch out for Edo and Anambra elections.

Was there no election in 2015 and 2019? What did LP get?

You do not have evidence with what u just said.

And if labour fail to win Edo state which is one of their stronghold then it game over.

garfield1:


You still don't understand nigerians.no matter tinubu performance,a lot of people have biases against obi.the north will never choose obi against tinubu.no southerner has ever gotten votes in core north except those with mm ticket.the imams will still not preach for obi
On election day,tinubu will bring out money and a lot will still vote him.the who is who in Nigeria are all friendly with Tinubu

That’s why Obi is in the north.

Between now and 2027, he shall have considerably cleared some of the fallacies tagged on his person and lowered the defenses of some powerbrokers in the core north.

One of the reasons they closed their eyes and allowed Tinubu rig his way to power was because Obi wanted to get to power without them and that would have meant they wouldn’t have any control over him or extract any commitment from him.

Those things will change in 2027.

Judgementa1:


You do not have evidence with what u just said.

And if labour fail to win Edo state which is one of their stronghold then it game over.

How many governors did Labour Party have when Obi won 12 states in 2023?

You act like you're new in Nigeria! No evidence that Yahaya Bello, Hooe Uzodinma wrote results? Common!

Judgementa1:


You do not have evidence with what u just said.

And if labour fail to win Edo state which is one of their stronghold then it game over.

Penguin2:

That’s why Obi is in the north.

Between now and 2027, he shall have considerably cleared some of the fallacies tagged on his person and lowered the defenses of some powerbrokers in the core north.

One of the reasons they closed their eyes and allowed Tinubu rig his way to power was because Obi wanted to get to power without them and that would have meant they wouldn’t have any control over him or extract any commitment from him.

Those things will change in 2027.

And u believe north will allow obi another 8yrs after tinubu.

Penguin2:
I saw a thread of El-rufai preparing to challenge Tinubu both in traditional courts and in the court of public opinion in order to clear his name of the allegation of being a security risk and for the humiliation he suffered by being dropped by the National Assembly, and something caught my attention. What caught my attention is that the folks who accuse others of chest beating were chest beating that El-rufai is too small to cause any problems for Tinubu and that Tinubu is not Jonathan.

This is why I wanna ask these guys that are chest beating, apart from Southwest, where else can Tinubu count on to have people pour into the streets for his sake?

There was a reason Buhari got away with murder. And this much has been captured by Farouk Kperogi in one of his articles.

Buhari was able to get away with a lot of the atrocities he carried out during his administration because, despite his failures, he still had larger part of the north behind him. To be precise, you wouldn’t have come for Buhari without setting a fire in the whole of Northwest and Northeast that you won’t be able to put out. Even the north central states of Niger and Nasarawa.

Similarly, because Tinubu was looking to succeed Buhari and would not want anything disrupting the equation as it was, there was always fear that an attempt to disrupt Buhari presidency would trigger Tinubu to activate his Southwest structure to pour into the streets just to ensure that his own ambition isn’t jeopardized.

So, in a nutshell, anybody who made any attempt on Buhari’s government would have had 3 regions of Northwest, Northeast and Southwest to contend with in a mass demonstration that could put the country in jeopardy. That was why Buhari got a away with murder and a lot of things he did went unchallenged.

Now, can Tinubu boast of same? Should anything happen to Tinubu today, how many regions will be triggered to stand by him? Is he even sure of his native Southwest? And with Buhari out of power and the uniformity of opinion amongst northerners that he was a failure, how much of goodwill can he control for Tinubu in the north?

To attach faces to the picture we are painting, if you touch Peter Obi today, you would have Southeast, Southsouth and North Central to contend with.

If you touch Atiku today, you would have Northeast and Northwest to contend with.

But if you touch Tinubu, is he even sure of Southwest?

And for those who think Tinubu is protected because he has the armed forces under his command, go and ask Jonathan how it felt to be helpless even with all the armed forces.

Jonathan’s case was even better that he had the Southeast and Southsouth strongly behind him and could still count on some parts of North Central but Tinubu is not even sure of Southwest.

So, Tinubu supporters, where’s the confidence coming from? There’s already general disenchantment with Tinubu in the core north of Northwest and Northeast. He has never been home in the North Central. Southeast is inexistent in his political calculation. And Southsouth is not any different from Southeast.

Should the northern establishment decide to realign with the Southeast and Southsouth bloc as has always been since independence, where else would Tinubu turn to?

Because as things currently stand, if the North and the East come together in 2027, not even rigging will help Tinubu in the 2027 general election. Or how can Tinubu rig in the Northwest, Northeast, North Central, Southsouth and Southeast without triggering a revolution that would consume him?

Penguin is a bird of reason!

Tinubu has not even completed a full four-year term, and you are already writing him off. Yes, I understand that things may be difficult for him politically right now, but he is still the president and has complete control over the country's resources. All those bases you think he's losing appear to be so because he didn't give them what they thought they deserved, and when he did, they will all started singing praise songs. Don't forget that 24 hours is too long in politics, and Tinubu isn't just known as Jagaban for nothing. Wait for the next election campaigns, and see what politics is all about. I rest.