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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:33pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:

How did Jesus call God?
Tell me the exact word used by Thomas. Pls don't mention Theon because Thomas didn't speak greek to Jesus.

So you don't believe the Bible you're quoting again!

The two words he used has been translated to English mainly LORD and GOD both aren't name of any known deity. If you study your Bible diligently you will discover that there are many Gods the Bible mentioned each with it's name and the Bible also say the God of Israel too has a name that differs from what other Gods are called.
So Thomas exclaiming my God and my Lord is not the name of any known deity both are just titles that's why Paul could say there are many GODS and many LORDS.
For your information if you say LORD in the presence of a Muslim he will tell you "that is Allah" if you say the same in the presence of a Roman in the first century he will tell you "that is Jupiter" if you say the same in the presence of a Greek he will tell you "that is Zeus"

So it's the name that differentiate these Gods not titles written in upper or lower case! undecided

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 12:38pm On Apr 24
MaxInDHouse:


So you don't believe the Bible you're quoting again!

The two words he used has been translated to English mainly LORD and GOD both aren't name of any known deity. If you study your Bible diligently you will discover that there are many Gods the Bible mentioned each with it's name and the Bible also say the God of Israel too has a name that differs from what other Gods are called.
So Thomas exclaiming my God and my Lord is not the name of any known deity both are just titles that's why Paul could say there are many GODS and many LORDS.
For your information if you say LORD in the presence of a Muslim he will tell you "that is Allah" if you say the same in the presence of a Roman in the first century he will tell you "that is Jupiter" if you say the same in the presence of a Greek he will tell you "that is Zeus"

So it's the name that differentiate these Gods not titles written in upper or lower case! undecided

U waffling....tell me the exact words Thomas used when he said My Lord, My God.

When Jesus said My God, my God on the cross. What exact word did he use?
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:45pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:


U waffling....tell me the exact words Thomas used when he said My Lord, My God.

When Jesus said My God, my God on the cross. What exact word did he use?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm well the Hebrew word for God is Elohim shortened Eli and the word for Lord is Adonai.

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Iamanoited: 1:52pm On Apr 24
Ohyoudidnt:


And this God in heaven came down to earth as man in disguise so he could sacrifice himself to his self for man's redemption?


Adam and eve died to eternal life
And this God in heaven came down to earth as JESUS CHRIST BEGOTTEN NOT MADE to show us the way the truth and eternal life.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 3:38pm On Apr 24
MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmm well the Hebrew word for God is Elohim shortened Eli and the word for Lord is Adonai.

So U think a Jew will call a mere human Adonai?
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:12pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:

So U think a Jew will call a mere human Adonai?
NO It was an exclamation!

It could be as a result of amazement or when someone is terrified.

Jesus shouted ELI ELI does it mean he was talking to those torturing him?

No nah that's how normal humans exclaim when they are amazed or terrified! undecided

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 4:19pm On Apr 24
MaxInDHouse:

NO It was an exclamation!

It could be as a result of amazement or when someone is terrified.

Jesus shouted ELI ELI does it mean he was talking to those torturing him?

No nah that's how normal humans exclaim when they are amazed or terrified! undecided

Adonai is the name of God, why would a Jew use it for exclamation.
Show me where Adonai or any name of God was used as exclamation in the bible.
That's what I've been asking U and U refuse to respond...show me where Jews used the name of God as a symbol of shock or surprise or amazement.
Just one example....

Jesus called out to his Father Eli..Eli..
It wasn't a mark of exclamation or anguish. He was actually talking to God.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:24pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:


Adonai is the name of God, why would a Jew use it for exclamation.
Show me where Adonai or any name of God was used as exclamation in the bible.
That's what I've been asking U and U refuse to respond...show me where Jews used the name of God as a symbol of shock or surprise or amazement.
Just one example....

Jesus called out to his Father Eli..Eli..
It wasn't a mark of exclamation or anguish. He was actually talking to God.

Guy Adonai simply means "Lord" it's no name!

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 4:38pm On Apr 24
MaxInDHouse:


Guy Adonai simply means "Lord" it's no name!

U better do some research into Hebrew name of God.
Adonai is only used exclusively for God.

B4 U reply me, learn the difference btw Lord and lord and how it's used in the old testament.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 5:29pm On Apr 24
Iamanoited:



Adam and eve died to eternal life
And this God in heaven came down to earth as JESUS CHRIST BEGOTTEN NOT MADE to show us the way the truth and eternal life.

John 3:16 still dey your mind?

John 5:37 still dey your mind?

You will come out to public forum to contravene & contradict Jesus Christ yet you go dey form Christian.

Chai !!!! grin.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 5:58pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:


Adonai is the name of God, why would a Jew use it for exclamation.


.

No Sir.

According to gotquestions, your Trinitarian mentors,
Adonai is not the name of God Almighty.

"The word Adonai is simply the word for “Lord.” Lord is defined in English as “someone or something having power, authority, or influence; a master or ruler.” In 1 Samuel 24:8, 26:17, and 29:8, David refers to Saul as “my lord the king,” and he uses the term Adonai. Likewise, Abner refers to David in the same way in 2 Samuel 3:21, and this is found throughout the book of 2 Samuel as a reference to David. The term is used of other kings as well. Some of Elisha’s followers use the term Adonai to refer to Elisha in 2 Kings 2:19. As can be seen by its usage throughout the Old Testament, Adonai is simply a term of respect that is in keeping with the English definition and usage of the word lord.

It would be more accurate to say that Adonai is used as a description of God or as a title of respect, rather than a name in the proper sense"

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 6:01pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:


Adonai is the name of God, why would a Jew use it for exclamation.
Show me where Adonai or any name of God was used as exclamation in the bible.
That's what I've been asking U and U refuse to respond...show me where Jews used the name of God as a symbol of shock or surprise or amazement.
Just one example....

.

John 20:28 screenshots of different Bible translations published by your fellow Trinitarians.

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 6:32pm On Apr 24
Janosky:


No Sir.

According to gotquestions, your Trinitarian mentors,
Adonai is not the name of God Almighty.

"The word Adonai is simply the word for “Lord.” Lord is defined in English as “someone or something having power, authority, or influence; a master or ruler.” In 1 Samuel 24:8, 26:17, and 29:8, David refers to Saul as “my lord the king,” and he uses the term Adonai. Likewise, Abner refers to David in the same way in 2 Samuel 3:21, and this is found throughout the book of 2 Samuel as a reference to David. The term is used of other kings as well. Some of Elisha’s followers use the term Adonai to refer to Elisha in 2 Kings 2:19. As can be seen by its usage throughout the Old Testament, Adonai is simply a term of respect that is in keeping with the English definition and usage of the word lord.

It would be more accurate to say that Adonai is used as a description of God or as a title of respect, rather than a name in the proper sense"

Go and learn the diference btw adoni and adonai- lord and Lord.
Then come back and discuss.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:18pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:

U better do some research into Hebrew name of God.
Adonai is only used exclusively for God.
B4 U reply me, learn the difference btw Lord and lord and how it's used in the old testament.
No wahala if you feel the title PRESIDENT and President differs it's OK! cheesy
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 7:42pm On Apr 24
MaxInDHouse:

No wahala if you feel the title PRESIDENT and President differs it's OK! cheesy

If U don't know something, ask instead of clowning in ignorance.

In the old testament,
The word LORD is YWH in Hebrew the name of God
The word Lord is Adonai in Hebrew and it's used only for God.
The word lord is adoni in hebrew and it denote human master.
Sarah called
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:47pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:

If U don't know something, ask instead of clowning in ignorance.

In the old testament,
The word LORD is YWH in Hebrew the name of God
The word Lord is Adonai Hebrew and it's used only for God.
The word lord is adoni hebrew and it denote human master.
Sarah called

Ọmọ it's your translators that replaced God's name with title LORD in the original Hebrew text the word they translated to LORD is YHWH which was rightly translated as YAHWEH or JEHOVAH.
You can compare different translations.
In the KJV they only left it as Jehovah in four verses.
Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4
While all other versions kicked against the KJV because it's hypocrisy rendering the same word differently in various verses.
So it was a name not a title!

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Exodus 6:3

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. Psalms 83:18

Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. Isaiah 12:2

Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength: Isaiah 26:4

KJVsmiley

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Aemmyjah(m): 7:56pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:


If U don't know something, ask instead of clowning in ignorance.

In the old testament,
The word LORD is YWH in Hebrew the name of God
The word Lord is Adonai in Hebrew and it's used only for God.
The word lord is adoni in hebrew and it denote human master.
Sarah called

If I may ask
What then happened to God's name
He himself said to Moses that that is his name to time indefinite

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 8:17pm On Apr 24
MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ it's your translators that replaced God's name with title LORD in the original Hebrew text the word they translated to LORD is YHWH which was rightly translated as YAHWEH or JEHOVAH.
You can compare different translations.
In the KJV they only left it as Jehovah in four verses.
Exodus 6:3; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2; 26:4
While all other versions kicked against the KJV because it's hypocrisy rendering the same word differently in various verses.
So it was a name not a title!

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. Exodus 6:3

That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth. Psalms 83:18

Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. Isaiah 12:2

Trust ye in the LORD for ever: for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength: Isaiah 26:4

KJVsmiley

I don't think U understand your own argument. Who's debating YHWH with U.
The bone of contention is adonai- Lord.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:21pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:

I don't think U understand your own argument. Who's debating YHWH with U.
The bone of contention is adonai- Lord.
What is the Hebrew word that KJV translated LORD at Exodus 6:3?
Is it YHVH or Adonai?
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 8:27pm On Apr 24
MaxInDHouse:

What is the Hebrew word that KJV translated LORD at Exodus 6:3?
Is it YHVH or Adonai?

I'm talking about Lord and not LORD.
That's why I asked U to go and learn the difference.
Don't quote me again unless U have an insight into the difference btw Lord, LORD and lord as used in the old testament.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:30pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:


I'm talking about Lord and not LORD.
That's why I asked U to go and learn the difference.
Don't quote me again unless U have an insight into the difference btw Lord, LORD and lord as used in the old testament.

LORD and Lord as if that's what was written in the Hebrews Scriptures! cheesy

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Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 8:32pm On Apr 24
Ken4Christ:


The scripture says that God is the first and last. Jesus said he is the first and last. Your small brain can't catch it.
.
Pastor wey get big brain doesn't understand that
Eschatos is NOT alpha and Omega in the Revelation that God gave to Jesus Christ.
Oga,you can NOT refute this fact in your own Bible.


Pastor, come & be WAILING over your delusion.
grin
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 9:08pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:


If U don't know something, ask instead of clowning in ignorance.

In the old testament,
The word LORD is YWH in Hebrew the name of God
The word Lord is Adonai in Hebrew and it's used only for God.
The word lord is adoni in hebrew and it denote human master.
Sarah called


Yahweh substituted with LORD in Hebrew.
Hebrew language has no dichotomy with regards to capitalized Lord or LORD.

English translators placed the dichotomy you reference in your post.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 9:17pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:


Go and learn the diference btw adoni and adonai- lord and Lord.
Then come back and discuss.


My point:
Adonai (LORD) is a substitute for YHWH, God's name.
Adonai is NOT God's name.

According to gotquestions:
Adonai is a title as rightly pointed out by gotquestions.
Adonai is simply a term of respect that is in keeping with the English definition and usage of the word lord.

It would be more accurate to say that Adonai is used as a description of God or as a title of respect, rather than a name in the proper sense."

Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 9:22pm On Apr 24
MaxInDHouse:


Guy Adonai simply means "Lord" it's no name!

The same ghost they worship revealed to gotquestions, his Trinity believer that Adonai LORD is a title NOT God's name.

According to gotquestions:
Adonai is a title as rightly pointed out by gotquestions.
Adonai is simply a term of respect that is in keeping with the English definition and usage of the word lord.

It would be more accurate to say that Adonai is used as a description of God or as a title of respect, rather than a name in the proper sense."


But the guy no AGREE.
grin grin
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:25pm On Apr 24
Janosky:


The same ghost they worship revealed to gotquestions, his Trinity believer that Adonai LORD is a title NOT God's name.

According to gotquestions:
Adonai is a title as rightly pointed out by gotquestions.
Adonai is simply a term of respect that is in keeping with the English definition and usage of the word lord.

It would be more accurate to say that Adonai is used as a description of God or as a title of respect, rather than a name in the proper sense."


But the guy no AGREE.
grin grin

There so called GOSPEL SINGERS have used all these as names of their god so it will be really difficult for him to believe the truth now and disbelieve his gospel singers!
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Ken4Christ: 10:02pm On Apr 24
Janosky:

Pastor wey get big brain doesn't understand that
Eschatos is NOT alpha and Omega in the Revelation that God gave to Jesus Christ.
Oga,you can NOT refute this fact in your own Bible.


Pastor, come & be WAILING over your delusion.
grin

Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I AM THE FIRST, AND I AM THE LAST; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I AM THE FIRST, I ALSO AM THE LAST.

Jesus said the same thing.

Argue with the Bible.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 10:13pm On Apr 24
Janosky:



My point:
Adonai (LORD) is a substitute for YHWH, God's name.
Adonai is NOT God's name.

According to gotquestions:
Adonai is a title as rightly pointed out by gotquestions.
Adonai is simply a term of respect that is in keeping with the English definition and usage of the word lord.

It would be more accurate to say that Adonai is used as a description of God or as a title of respect, rather than a name in the proper sense."



Go and learn the difference between LORD, Lord and lord, then come back discuss.

Hopefully this will help...

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/god-yhwh/difference-between-lord-Lord-and-LORD.htm
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:15pm On Apr 24
SIRTee15:


Go and learn the difference between LORD, Lord and lord, then come back discuss.

Hopefully this will help...

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/god-yhwh/difference-between-lord-Lord-and-LORD.htm

Difference between TEACHER, Teacher and teacher.

Janosky oya go and learn to know the difference! undecided
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by johnw47: 5:16am On Apr 25
Joh 8:58  Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” 

if Jesus was just saying He existed before abraham, He would have said:
before abraham was, i was, but He said:
before abraham was, I am

the jews that Jesus was speaking to knew Jesus was saying; He is I am, He is God
and they picked up stones to throw at Him

when Jesus speaks about the past He says; "I was"
one example of many:
Mar_14:49  "Every day I was with you in the temple teaching, and you did not seize Me; but this has taken place to fulfill the Scriptures."

Jesus in Spirit (the Word of God) is God, a God being,
jesus in flesh is the Son of God, a human being

God is a Spirit, not flesh, but it can be said, Jesus is God in the flesh, the Word of God in the flesh

"and the word was God" john 1:1 and more
^^ notice john said; the word "was God" because he is referring to the past "in the beginning was the Word"

similarly Jesus didn't say before abraham was, i was
He said:
before abraham was, "I am"
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by Janosky: 10:39am On Apr 25
MaxInDHouse:


Difference between TEACHER, Teacher and teacher.

Janosky oya go and learn to know the difference! undecided
SIRTee15:


Go and learn the difference between LORD, Lord and lord, then come back discuss.

Hopefully this will help...

https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/god-yhwh/difference-between-lord-Lord-and-LORD.htm

The website has not revealed anything different from what janosky or Max had already posted.

In English TEACHER,/Teacher/teacher is the same thing.
Likewise LORD/ Lord/lord.

Nah the writer go use context show which one be the God Almighty.
Re: Thomas Called Jesus, My Lord And My God. Jesus Didn't Say, I Am Not God. by SIRTee15: 10:42am On Apr 25
Janosky:


The website has not revealed anything different from what janosky or Max had already posted.

So then tell me what's the difference btw Lord and LORD in the English bible- old testament.

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