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Ubenedictus: what plain truth? I have povided first scriptural proof the d child who is to "rule with a rod of iron" is Jesus christ your fellows said no! So i am asking everyone who is the child of rev 12? If u are able to give me a different ansa then we are going somewhere, if no y do ur fellows accuse me of lying?

Are the prophecies in Revelation for the future or have been fulfilled already? How could the birth of Christ be applicable if the prophecies are for the future? Are you saying Christ is going to be born the second time?

Since the prophecy is for the future, it is clear that it has nothing to do with the birth of Christ. There is no doubt, there are different interpretations to these prophecies, but yours my friend is completely wrong because Christ cannot be borne twice!

Revelation 1:19-20 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Try other interpretations my friend. I know you are just doing it to justify Mary's title 'Queen of Heaven' but all those bullcraps are unscriptural.

Try again!

Ubenedictus: what plain truth? I have povided first scriptural proof the d child who is to "rule with a rod of iron" is Jesus christ your fellows said no! So i am asking everyone who is the child of rev 12? If u are able to give me a different ansa then we are going somewhere, if no y do ur fellows accuse me of lying?

You haven't find who the woman, why are you rushing to find who the child is?

Things should be taking step by step, If you can figure out the woman, then you can try to know what the other signs are because the Woman is the
most beautiful part of John's vision. Anyone who sees her and know her will admit that she is the beautiful sight in this Revelation 12.
So please try more to know this woman first. It pays to learn from others.

I am Not seeing Mary in this vision, Imagine when John describes the Woman as crowned with twelve stars, sun-clothed, and standing on the moon, i think John pictures her as one possessing every luminary of heaven. The sun, moon, and stars are the avenues of natural light, and in John's vision, you will agree that every avenue of light worked through this woman. How does the Bible discribed Mary? did the bible exalted her as much as you do today? and what makes you believe She is this woman with all these lights?

seriallink: Are the prophecies in Revelation for the future or have been fulfilled already? How could the birth of Christ be applicable if the prophecies are for the future? Are you saying Christ is going to be born the second time?

Since the prophecy is for the future, it is clear that it has nothing to do with the birth of Christ. There is no doubt, there are different interpretations to these prophecies, but yours my friend is completely wrong because Christ cannot be borne twice!

Revelation 1:19-20 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Try other interpretations my friend. I know you are just doing it to justify Mary's title 'Queen of Heaven' but all those bullcraps are unscriptural.

Try again!

You are making alot of sense !! a real deep think is recommended

Ubenedictus: hahaha, u need a simple greek lexicon to understand what is translated as "long hair". Samson had long hair he wasnt going about in shame and so do nazirites, d word translated as "long hair" is actually feminine is forbides keeping a womans hair not just "long hair". It actually forbides u from weaving ur hair and such.

I know that Long hair was never a case in the OT, but viewing this verse, you will believe that Paul was talking about Long hair and not Braided hair.
But as you say, So its now all about translation error abi? ok, so Paul was referring to fixing the hair in a feminine manner?, He was not condemning Long hair for men?

I agree with you that The OT never gave praise to long hair. In Judges 16:17, It specifically states Samson never had a razor touch his head. And Numbers 6:5 and 7 speak of the Nazarite vows’ requirement of not cutting the hair.

Also, in 2 Kings 1:8 the messenger’s description of a man with long hair and a leather girdle caused the king to instantly realize it was the prophet Elijah. The Hebrew words the servant used to describe Elijah were ba’al sa’ar which means "lord of hair."
In 2 Samuel 14:25-26 Absalom’s long hair was praised for its handsome appearance.

With all these scriptures showing biblical figures discribed with long hair, i believe Paul would not teach anything contrary to the rest of scripture.
Therefore, i will agree with your argument. But that doesn't validate the picture Catholic gave Jesus Christ. He was not discribed with this look You gave him.

seriallink: Are the prophecies in Revelation for the future or have been fulfilled already? How could the birth of Christ be applicable if the prophecies are for the future? Are you saying Christ is going to be born the second time?

Since the prophecy is for the future, it is clear that it has nothing to do with the birth of Christ. There is no doubt, there are different interpretations to these prophecies, but yours my friend is completely wrong because Christ cannot be borne twice!

Revelation 1:19-20 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter; 20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Try other interpretations my friend. I know you are just doing it to justify Mary's title 'Queen of Heaven' but all those bullcraps are unscriptural.

Try again!

since u dont think there is anything past in rev, is d battle pursued satan from heaven a future event? Just yes or no,

plappville: You haven't find who the woman, why are you rushing to find who the child is?

Things should be taking step by step, If you can figure out the woman, then you can try to know what the other signs are because the Woman is the
most beautiful part of John's vision. Anyone who sees her and know her will admit that she is the beautiful sight in this Revelation 12.
So please try more to know this woman first. It pays to learn from others.

I am Not seeing Mary in this vision, Imagine when John describes the Woman as crowned with twelve stars, sun-clothed, and standing on the moon, i think John pictures her as one possessing every luminary of heaven. The sun, moon, and stars are the avenues of natural light, and in John's vision, you will agree that every avenue of light worked through this woman. How does the Bible discribed Mary? did the bible exalted her as much as you do today? and what makes you believe She is this woman with all these lights?

i know u have a problem with associating d woman with mary 'cos u tink that will over exault her, but actually mary was exaulted in d bible, no one is said to be called blessed 4 ages, and no one is called "kecharitomene" thru out scriptures. My dear im not interpreting out of place. But since u tink so, wu is d child, if d woman is not known den d child shuld give us a clue.

plappville: I know that Long hair was never a case in the OT, but viewing this verse, you will believe that Paul was talking about Long hair and not Braided hair.
But as you say, So its now all about translation error abi? ok, so Paul was referring to fixing the hair in a feminine manner?, He was not condemning Long hair for men?

I agree with you that The OT never gave praise to long hair. In Judges 16:17, It specifically states Samson never had a razor touch his head. And Numbers 6:5 and 7 speak of the Nazarite vows’ requirement of not cutting the hair.

Also, in 2 Kings 1:8 the messenger’s description of a man with long hair and a leather girdle caused the king to instantly realize it was the prophet Elijah. The Hebrew words the servant used to describe Elijah were ba’al sa’ar which means "lord of hair."
In 2 Samuel 14:25-26 Absalom’s long hair was praised for its handsome appearance.

With all these scriptures showing biblical figures discribed with long hair, i believe Paul would not teach anything contrary to the rest of scripture.
Therefore, i will agree with your argument. But that doesn't validate the picture Catholic gave Jesus Christ. He was not discribed with this look You gave him.

atleast we can agree that long hair isnt against scriptures, tell me how he was described And how d catholics corrupted it.

Ubenedictus: since u dont think there is anything past in rev, is d battle pursued satan from heaven a future event? Just yes or no,

Satan been chased away from heaven definitly took place after Jesus' ascension to heaven......

So what John heard and penned down was a future event.........

Ubenedictus: since u dont think there is anything past in rev, is d battle pursued satan from heaven a future event? Just yes or no,

ijawkid: Satan been chased away from heaven definitly took place after Jesus' ascension to heaven......

So what John heard and penned down was a future event.........

I think Ijawkid has answered your question. BTW, it's clearly written in Revelation 1:19 that the events are for the future & not past prophecies.

Ubenedictus: since u dont think there is anything past in rev, is d battle pursued satan from heaven a future event? Just yes or no,

the reference point of the future is two thousand years from when John wrote it at least that was after christ birth, death and ascension to heaven.

Ubenedictus: atleast we can agree that long hair isnt against scriptures, tell me how he was described And how d catholics corrupted it.

Do you ever agree on the truth? even when you are faced with biblical facts plain in front of you, you still use logics to dodge from the truth.

Back to your questions, As a typical Nigerian, we are known for anwsering question with question, Thats what i am going to do here
How did the early Christians interpret Exodus 20:6? do u realize that there is no real statue,picture or engraving of Jesus anywhre in the world?

If there was, all would be the same, because they would all be taken from the real one abi?.
How do u recognize Late president Sani ABACHA? Evidently, its because all pictures of him are taken from the real image of him.

Artist that drew pictures of Jesus for whatever use are all vary. Ve you care to know Why? because no one really knows exactly how Jesus looked.
Good The Bible was careful not to have given a description of Jesus looks, this may be so that artists could not copy it and make an image or picture of Him.

But the scripture told us about His earthly appearance in Isaiah 53:1-3,Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

The early Christians could have easily made a perfect statue of Jesus’ image, but they did not, they must be holding on to the Ten Commandments forbiding such a thing. Everything changed when the Catholic sprang up. Idolatery became the center of christianity.

Christ had thousands who thronged him and who listened attentively to him when he teaches, Of course some of these listeners might be artistically talented people who could have drawn His face, Yet we have not one real picture of him anywhere.

Be informed that Jesus is not a Nazarite, but a Nazarene. Matthew 2:23 tells us this. So using it to back up ur reason why He should be painted with Long Hair is failed.

Matthew 2:23 "And he came and DWELT IN A CITY CALLED NAZARETH[/b]that it might be FULFILLED which was spoken by the prophets,[b] HE SHALL BE CALLED A NAZARENE." On the other hand, a Nazarite was a person who took upon himself the vow of a Nazarite. You know what i am pointing out.
So Jesus did not take this vow as plainly seen here.

Ubenedictus: i know u have a problem with associating d woman with mary 'cos u tink that will over exault her, but actually mary was exaulted in d bible, no one is said to be called blessed 4 ages, and no one is called "kecharitomene" thru out scriptures. My dear im not interpreting out of place. But since u tink so, wu is d child, if d woman is not known den d child shuld give us a clue.

I have no problem dear, You can't match Mary in this vision. if you do then you have to match the other symbols, it must go in line.
The way you exalt Mary is uncalled for, there is no instruction for Christians to continue exalting Her.

God chose her womb to make the entry of Jesus Christ into the world. I believe Mary was a saintly woman, but Christ died for her and Joseph also.
Just like you and i. Paul spoke in Romans 3:23 "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
This clearly means everyone. So why the over exaltion of Mary?

The woman is know, and have been revealed to you but you refused to accept it, Na so you like argument?

plappville: Do you ever agree on the truth? even when you are faced with biblical facts plain in front of you, you still use logics to dodge from the truth.

Back to your questions, As a typical Nigerian, we are known for anwsering question with question, Thats what i am going to do here
How did the early Christians interpret Exodus 20:6? do u realize that there is no real statue,picture or engraving of Jesus anywhre in the world?

If there was, all would be the same, because they would all be taken from the real one abi?.
How do u recognize Late president Sani ABACHA? Evidently, its because all pictures of him are taken from the real image of him.

Artist that drew pictures of Jesus for whatever use are all vary. Ve you care to know Why? because no one really knows exactly how Jesus looked.
Good The Bible was careful not to have given a description of Jesus looks, this may be so that artists could not copy it and make an image or picture of Him.

But the scripture told us about His earthly appearance in Isaiah 53:1-3,Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.

The early Christians could have easily made a perfect statue of Jesus’ image, but they did not, they must be holding on to the Ten Commandments forbiding such a thing. Everything changed when the Catholic sprang up. Idolatery became the center of christianity.

Christ had thousands who thronged him and who listened attentively to him when he teaches, Of course some of these listeners might be artistically talented people who could have drawn His face, Yet we have not one real picture of him anywhere.

Be informed that Jesus is not a Nazarite, but a Nazarene. Matthew 2:23 tells us this. So using it to back up ur reason why He should be painted with Long Hair is failed.

Matthew 2:23 "And he came and DWELT IN A CITY CALLED NAZARETH[/b]that it might be FULFILLED which was spoken by the prophets,[b] HE SHALL BE CALLED A NAZARENE." On the other hand, a Nazarite was a person who took upon himself the vow of a Nazarite. You know what i am pointing out.
So Jesus did not take this vow as plainly seen here.

the passages u quoted didnt say Jesus doesnt have a long hair, so where did u get that? And u are accusing me wen u havent told me who d child is. Weldone

plappville: I have no problem dear, You can't match Mary in this vision. if you do then you have to match the other symbols, it must go in line.
The way you exalt Mary is uncalled for, there is no instruction for Christians to continue exalting Her.

actually my bible says "from henceforth all generation will cal me blessed" did u miss that in ur bible? That say she will continue to be call blessd thru all generation amen.

God chose her womb to make the entry of Jesus Christ into the world. I believe Mary was a saintly woman, but Christ died for her and Joseph also.
Just like you and i. Paul spoke in Romans 3:23 "All have sinned and come short of the glory of God"
This clearly means everyone. So why the over exaltion of Mary?

The woman is know, and have been revealed to you but you refused to accept it, Na so you like argument?

sorry i dont derive joy from arguement. And if as u claim u know d woman pls who is d child? Abi u no go answer?

well, personally I would imagine that the child who was to rule with a rod of iron was the Messiah himself. After all he has been described as such in the old testament.

If the child is Jesus then the woman ought to be the mother of Jesus. The question now is: is it the literal mother or the allegorical mother? lol

Pastor AIO: well, personally I would imagine that the child who was to rule with a rod of iron was the Messiah himself. After all he has been described as such in the old testament.

If the child is Jesus then the woman ought to be the mother of Jesus. The question now is: is it the literal mother or the allegorical mother? lol

since morning oga u are d only person who has answered my question. Thankyou

Ubenedictus: since morning oga u are d only person who has answered my question. Thankyou

He is asking if the mum is literal or allegorical.......

You never answer am........answer.....

Na mary be the woman??

[quote author=acidosis™]Bless you ma'am [/quote]amen amen amen amen

ijawkid: He is asking if the mum is literal or allegorical.......

You never answer am........answer.....

Na mary be the woman??

it seems you cant detect sacasm when u see it, or did u miss the "lol" tha followed the question?
A question 4 u my friend: did scripture ever describe christ with an "allegorical mother"?

Ubenedictus: the passages u quoted didnt say Jesus doesnt have a long hair, so where did u get that? And u are accusing me wen u havent told me who d child is. Weldone

And where did you see in the bible that He has long hair?
you have gotten an answer on the child why you persisting on this?

Ubenedictus: actually my bible says "from henceforth all generation will cal me blessed" did u miss that in ur bible? That say she will continue to be call blessd thru all generation amen.

sorry i dont derive joy from arguement. And if as u claim u know d woman pls who is d child? Abi u no go answer?

Give me one verse that Jesus or the apostles continue calling her blessed? Elizabeth said: Blessed art thou[b] among women,[/b] and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Why is this blessed among men today? and after Elizabeth, who else used this blessed apart from you Catholics who have ignored Christ and place Mary in center of your goals. No wonder Satan has been using her image to influence the church. (catholic)

Ubenedictus: since morning oga u are d only person who has answered my question. Thankyou

So why you still dey find answer?

plappville: And where did you see in the bible that He has long hair?
you have gotten an answer on the child why you persisting on this?

what am i persisting on? U claimed that d catholic church has Jesus with long hair and u said that isnt d real Jesus. D burden of proof rests on you to show me how d real Jesus looked liked.

plappville: Give me one verse that Jesus or the apostles continue calling her blessed? Elizabeth said: Blessed art thou[b] among women,[/b] and blessed is the fruit of thy womb. Why is this blessed among men today? and after Elizabeth, who else used this blessed apart from you Catholics who have ignored Christ and place Mary in center of your goals. No wonder Satan has been using her image to influence the church. (catholic)

"from henceforth all gen will cal me blessd"
is dat no enof 4 u?

plappville: So why you still dey find answer?

anty weytin b ur own na? Im in a public forum and i have d right to sample ideas! Besides if u take a look at d thread u will find out that after i got that ansa i didnt ask anyone abt d child again on d thread. So y are u accusing me unnecessaryly? Abi i dey bite u?

That's why I stopped discussing with her. I don't find anything meaningful from her posts so I'm always tempted to insult... Better I safeguard my soul.

That's why I stopped discussing with her. I don't find anything meaningful from her posts so I'm always tempted to insult... Better I safeguard my soul.

She probably will prove me right after this post.

italo: That's why I stopped discussing with her. I don't find anything meaningful from her posts so I'm always tempted to insult... Better I safeguard my soul.

She probably will prove me right after this post.

that means i gat to b careful!

italo: That's why I stopped discussing with her. I don't find anything meaningful from her posts so I'm always tempted to insult... Better I safeguard my soul.

So defending idol worship makes meaning to you? Better safeguard your soul by avoiding idols.

Aha! That's the twin brother.

They use many words. Put up many posts. Make no sense. Sometimes, I even suspect they are the same person.

Ubenedictus: anty weytin b ur own na? Im in a public forum and i have d right to sample ideas! Besides if u take a look at d thread u will find out that after i got that ansa i didnt ask anyone abt d child again on d thread. So y are u accusing me unnecessaryly? Abi i dey bite u?

I no vex you, na only question i been ask, sorry if you take that as an offence.

italo: That's why I stopped discussing with her. I don't find anything meaningful from her posts so I'm always tempted to insult... Better I safeguard my soul.

She probably will prove me right after this post.

Popeitalo, you know why you dey avoid me. You think say na the best to pretend like say all is well with ur church doctrine.
One thing you fail to understand is that, you are not the only Catholic member here, if you don't find articles that exposes historical lies
of the Catholic church, others may find it useful. Not everyone love to remain in the dark. It is scriptural to correct wrong things in the body of Christ.