Jacob from the Bible vs the Qur'an

The Biblical story portrays Jacob as a sissy!
Jacob and Rebecca his mother deceived Isaac, mother discriminated between her sons, Poor role models, Poor Parenting, deception, stealing, Extreme naivety

Jacob was over 40 years when he stole Esau's blessings, yet he seems to be a mummy's pet, weak and not having a mind of his own! He was even tricked by his father in law to marry Leah instead of Rachel. He then had to serve more years to marry later have Rachel his true love!

Genesis 27:
As Isaac grew old and his eyesight failed, he asked Esau, his older son, to hunt game and prepare a meal for him so he could bless him before his death.
Rebekah overheard Isaac's instructions and devised a plan to have Jacob receive the blessing instead.
Rebekah instructed Jacob to bring two goats, which she cooked to resemble Esau's game, and put Esau's clothes on Jacob to disguise him.
Jacob, hesitant at first, followed his mother's plan and approached Isaac, who was deceived by the disguise and the feel of Jacob's hands.
Isaac blessed Jacob, thinking he was blessing Esau, with abundant provisions and authority over his brother.
When Esau returned and realized what had happened, he was furious and sought to kill Jacob, leading to Jacob fleeing to his uncle Laban's house.

Genesis 29:
Jacob traveled to Paddan-aram, where Laban, his mother Rebekah's brother, lived.
Jacob fell in love with Laban's younger daughter, Rachel, and agreed to work for Laban for seven years in exchange for her hand in marriage.
After the seven years were completed, Jacob asked to marry Rachel. Laban organized a wedding feast, but on the wedding night, he gave Jacob his elder daughter, Leah, instead of Rachel.
Due to the custom of veiling the bride, Jacob did not realize the switch until the morning after the wedding when he discovered he had married Leah.
Jacob confronted Laban about the deception, and Laban explained that it was not customary to marry off the younger daughter before the elder.
Laban offered Rachel to Jacob in exchange for another seven years of work, to which Jacob agreed out of his love for Rachel.
Jacob worked an additional seven years to marry Rachel, whom he loved more than Leah.

Finally the worldly concept of blessing that was stolen by Jacob!
All Blessings comes from God! Who can steal from God?
The Bible shows that the blessing meant for a creation can be stollen with deceit and mischief! The blessing in this case is similar to that of Prophethood!

Allah says in the Qur'an:
Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and Al­Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], 'Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Harun (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawud (David) We gave the Zabur (Psalms).

Allah refutes the claim that Jacob stole his brother's blessing from his father Prophet Isaac!
Allah chooses whoever He wills as His anointed Prophet and this choice can not be influenced by any mischief/evil ever!
Joseph did not steal this same blessing from his other brothers! Allah choose him as His Prophet from amongst them!

According to the Qur'an:
Surah Yusuf (Chapter 12): Jacob is depicted as a loving and caring father to his son, Yusuf (Joseph), who faced trials and tribulations.
Surah Al-Baqarah (Chapter 2:136): Jacob is mentioned as one of the righteous and steadfast in faith among the prophets.
Surah Maryam (Chapter 19:6): Jacob is referred to as one of the descendants of Abraham and Isaac, emphasizing his noble lineage.
Surah Al-An'am (Chapter 6:84-86): Jacob's faith and devotion to God are highlighted in his interactions with his sons and his people.

Jacob on the death Bed (Biblical Narration)

(Genesis 49):
Jacob gathers his sons to bless them and foretell their future.
He addresses each son individually, speaking about their character, strengths, and weaknesses.
Jacob blesses Judah, foretelling the future leadership and kingship of his descendants.
He blesses Joseph, emphasizing his strength and the blessings upon his descendants.
Jacob gives various prophecies and blessings to each of his sons, reflecting their future roles and characteristics.

Jacob on the death Bed (Islamic Narration)

Or were you witnesses when death approached Ya'qub (Jacob)? When he said unto his sons, "What will you worship after me?" They said, "We shall worship your Ilah (God - Allah), the Ilah (God) of your fathers, Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), One Ilah (God), and to Him we submit (in Islam)." Qur'an 2: 133

Did Jacob preached to his sons at his death bed to worship one God or foretold their future and prayed for them?

While the Bible can be see as largely ethnocentric and people-centric, the Qur'an is seen as Allah-centric!

Summary!
Jacob in the Bible is portrayed as being a sissy, a deceiver and a thief!
Jacob in the Qur'an is portrayed as a righteous Prophet and one devoted to God's worship!

Do you think the Qur'an copied the Bible in this regard?

So you confess that islam doctored the bible so that it would look better and acceptable.

Which is why your koran is a Lie and the bible is True because Truth speaks the Truth, even if the such information might be viewed as bad

The truth is still the truth, even if it is biitter. A lie. is still a lie, even if it is sweet!

Here is a devil looking for strife and hatred as Prophecied!

2 Timothy 2:23-25 - But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strife

1 Timothy 6:4 - He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

You didn't dare directly mention me!
Anyways you should show where the Qur'an was copied from if not your scriptures?

Anyone who brings out the truth from your Bible is a devil!

You can never say i deliberately lied with anything in the post!

I don report you as a thread derailer! No courage! No substance!

AbuTwins:
Jacob from the Bible vs the Qur'an

The Biblical story portrays Jacob as a sissy!
Jacob and Rebecca his mother deceived Isaac, mother discriminated between her sons, Poor role models, Poor Parenting, deception, stealing, Extreme naivety

Jacob was over 40 years when he stole Esau's blessings, yet he seems to be a mummy's pet, weak and not having a mind of his own! He was even tricked by his father in law to marry Leah instead of Rachel. He then had to serve more years to marry later have Rachel his true love!





Finally the worldly concept of blessing that was stolen by Jacob!
All Blessings comes from God! Who can steal from God?
The Bible shows that the blessing meant for a creation can be stollen with deceit and mischief! The blessing in this case is similar to that of Prophethood!

Allah says in the Qur'an:
Verily, We have inspired you (O Muhammad SAW) as We inspired Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma'il (Ishmael), Ishaque (Isaac), Ya'qub (Jacob), and Al­Asbat [the twelve sons of Ya'qub (Jacob)], 'Iesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Harun (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawud (David) We gave the Zabur (Psalms).

Allah refutes the claim that Jacob stole his brother's blessing from his father Prophet Isaac!
Allah chooses whoever He wills as His anointed Prophet and this choice can not be influenced by any mischief/evil ever!
Joseph did not steal this same blessing from his other brothers! Allah choose him as His Prophet from amongst them!



Jacob on the death Bed (Biblical Narration)


Jacob on the death Bed (Islamic Narration)


Did Jacob preached to his sons at his death bed to worship one God or foretold their future and prayed for them?

While the Bible can be see as largely ethnocentric and people-centric, the Qur'an is seen as Allah-centric!

Summary!
Jacob in the Bible is portrayed as being a sissy, a deceiver and a thief!
Jacob in the Qur'an is portrayed as a righteous Prophet and one devoted to God's worship!

Do you think the Qur'an copied the Bible in this regard?

Where did the Quran get the name 'Jacob' from? The Quran should tell us the grandparents of Jacob who lived before Abraham. I'll like to check something. Who were the forefathers of Abraham?

The Bible told the stories of Abraham's forefathers up to the generation of Jacob. Truthfully telling us the every good and bad things the Israeli progenitor did without mincing words is the height of honesty. Mohammed came to distort that history and replaced it with falsehood. It doesn't matter whether he painted Jacob as a good or bad man. A lie is a lie, no matter how it is presented.

That's the history of the Israelites recorded over 3,000yrs before the false prophet of islam came to invent his own story.

FxMasterz:


Where did the Quran get the name 'Jacob' from?

Jacob is the English translation of course! Arabic is Ya'qub, Hebrew is Ya'akov!

The Quran should tell us the grandparents of Jacob who lived before Abraham. I'll like to check something. Who were the forefathers of Abraham?

Of what use is that? The Qur'an is not a history book. As i said in the final statements of the post, the Qur'an is Allah-focused not people focused!

The Bible told the stories of Abraham's forefathers up to the generation of Jacob. Truthfully telling us the every good and bad things the Israeli progenitor did without mincing words is the height of honesty.

How do you know it is truthfully telling you anything? The fact is that Jacob is portrayed as a sissy! God's blessings can be snatched by deceit. Even Isaac and Rebekah were poor role models unbefitting of a Godly family!

Mohammed came to distort that history and replaced it with falsehood. It doesn't matter whether he painted Jacob as a good or bad man. A lie is a lie, no matter how it is presented.

You need proof to make this assertion and you have none! Abraham's son Isaac was a Prophet in Islam as well as Jacob and then Joseph. They were all good role models in Islam. Biblically they are mostly poor role models!

That's the history of the Israelites recorded over 3,000yrs before the false prophet of islam came to invent his own story.

Let's say you are aggrieved but you shouldn't cry here! Falsehood is falsehood. The Old Testament was not even written by Moses!
The first five books of the Old Testament (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) are traditionally attributed to Moses. However, modern scholarship suggests that these books are a compilation of multiple sources known as the JEDP sources (Jahwist, Elohist, Deuteronomist, Priestly sources).

Make i hold up small!

AbuTwins:
Jacob is the English translation of course! Arabic is Ya'qub, Hebrew is Ya'akov! Of what use is that? The Qur'an is not a history book. As i said in the final statements of the post, the Qur'an is Allah-focused not people focused!

It's useful because we can use that extensive knowledge to differentiate someone telling true history from the one fabricating lies to create a religion.

How do you know it is truthfully telling you anything? The fact is that Jacob is portrayed as a sissy! God's blessings can be snatched by deceit. Even Isaac and Rebekah were poor role models unbefitting of a Godly family!

Portrayal is not fact. The Bible didn't make any attempt to portray anyone as anything. The Bible tells you what happened exactly the way it happened. You can make whatever you like of it. The Israelites are supposed to be ashamed of such an ancestor as their progenitor but truth must prevail, and they must declare all facts as they are.

3,000 yrs later, Mohammed came, not to tell true history but to portray. In an attempt to portray Jacob as a prophet of Islam, he had to tell lies because he was more about portrayal rather than exact rendition of events.

You need proof to make this assertion and you have none! Abraham's son Isaac was a Prophet in Islam as well as Jacob and then Joseph. They were all good role models in Islam. Biblically they are mostly poor role models!

The person who wrote it was not a Jew. Thank you for trying to portray them as good models. But what we want is the truth of their lives. Not the way we want them to be portrayed. We want truth , not portrayal.

Let's say you are aggrieved but you shouldn't cry here! Falsehood is falsehood. The Old Testament was not even written by Moses!
The first five books of the Old Testament (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) are traditionally attributed to Moses. However, modern scholarship suggests that these books are a compilation of multiple sources known as the JEDP sources (Jahwist, Elohist, Deuteronomist, Priestly sources). Make i hold up small!

Please prove that the books were not written by Moses, and I'll scatter your proofs in just one swipe.

FxMasterz:


It's useful because we can use that extensive knowledge to differentiate someone telling true history from the one fabricating lies to create a religion.

Bible is a book of selective history! The Qur'an is the word of Allah not history book!

Portrayal is not fact. The Bible didn't make any attempt to portray anyone as anything. The Bible tells you what happened exactly the way it happened. You can make whatever you like of it. The Israelites are supposed to be ashamed of such an ancestor as their progenitor but truth must prevail, and the must declare all facts as they are.

This is a lie. The Bible does not do this. If it does try and solve the mathematical error in the Bible here https://www.nairaland.com/8087891/another-copyist-mathematical-error-bible

3,000 yrs later, Mohammed came, not to tell true history but to portray. In an attempt to portray Jacob as a prophet of Islam, he had to tell lies because he was more about portrayal rather than exact rendition of events.

Show us the lies he lied about Jacob? They you should proof they are lies outside your Bible?

The person who wrote it was not a Jew. Thank you for trying to portray them as good models. But what we want is the truth of their lives. Not the way we want them to be portrayed. We want truth , not portrayal.

Again, a hypocritical assertion without proof!

Please prove that the books were not written by Moses, and I'll scatter your proofs in just one swipe.

No, the burden of proof shouldn't be from but from you!
Show us the Proofs Moses wrote the Pentateuch on his own even his Obituary !

AbuTwins:
Bible is a book of selective history! The Qur'an is the word of Allah not history book!

This is a lie. The Bible does not do this. If it does try and solve the mathematical error in the Bible here https://www.nairaland.com/8087891/another-copyist-mathematical-error-bible

Show us the lies he lied about Jacob? They you should proof they are lies outside your Bible?

Again, a hypocritical assertion without proof!


No, the burden of proof shouldn't be from but from you!
Show us the Proofs Moses wrote the Pentateuch on his own even his Obituary !

The Bible was not originally written as a book for religion Get it right. So, there's nothing personal about the writings as far as the writers were concerned.

The Israelites were just simply recording their histories for their next generations to learn from . Nothing more, nothing less. Hence, there are no unnecessary assertions to make someone look good or bad, but to truthfully tell history to their children..

Allah is Satan, so yes, he created a religion through Mohammed and had to portray people the way they were not, because he wanted to create a religion. This has led to many lies.

For example, Allah says a Samaritan was among the group of people that followed Moses to Canaan from Egypt. But we know that the tribe people called Samaritans never existed in Moses' time, they came into existence in the days of Omri who reigned as king in Jerusalem more than 2,000 years after Moses. Intact, the founder of Samaria was Omri. Allah fumbled big time. A very unintelligent liar.

Allah also thoght that Mariam the sister of Aaron was the mother of Jesus. He never knew that the two Marys were different. Mary the mother of Jesus lived about 2,500yrs after Mariam the sister of Aaron. Another big blunder by the lying Allah.

There are many Historical blunders in the Quran by Allah. Just like this Jacob issue we're discussing here. He's trying to portray Jacob instead of telling us exactly what Jacob did. Allah cannot be trusted. He lies unintelligently.

You're the one who said the books were not written by Moses, I didn't make any assertion to you regarding that, did I? If you have made that statement, don't make it an empty statement. Back it up with proofs.

FxMasterz:


The Bible was not originally written as a book for religion Get it right. So, there's nothing personal about the writings as far as the writers were concerned.

I agree with you on your Bible! The Qur'an is revealed a religion book! The Torah was revealed as a religious Book! Even the Injeel was inspired as a religious doctrine!

The Israelites were just simply recording their histories for their next generations to learn from . Nothing more, nothing less. Hence, there are no unnecessary assertions to make someone look good or bad, but to truthfully tell history to their children..

Who are the Israelites that were recording the stories?

You're the one who said the books were not written by Moses, I didn't make any assertion to you regarding that, did I? If you have made that statement, don't make it an empty statement. Back it up with proofs.
[/quote] You made the claim that i was wrong! So prove me wrong! Show us how Moses wrote the Pentateuch?
Show us who wrote the other Books too!

The thread is not about the Qur'an or Islam. As i said before, any abuse to my personality (myself, Islam, etc) will be reported!
You can always create your thread about your topics but not on my threads!

AbuTwins:
I agree with you on your Bible! The Qur'an is revealed a religion book! The Torah was revealed as a religious Book! Even the Injeel was inspired as a religious doctrine!


Who are the Israelites that were recording the stories?

You're the one who said the books were not written by Moses, I didn't make any assertion to you regarding that, did I? If you have made that statement, don't make it an empty statement. Back it up with proofs.
You made the claim that i was wrong! So prove me wrong! Show us how Moses wrote the Pentateuch?
Show us who wrote the other Books too!

The thread is not about the Qur'an or Islam. As i said before, any abuse to my personality (myself, Islam, etc) will be reported!
You can always create your thread about your topics but not on my threads!

So, you want me to believe the empty words you spoke without proving those words?

This thread is not about the Quran or Islam but it's about the history recorded in the Bible as compared to that of the Quran.

Don't run away from the truth that the histories recorded in the Quran are false. The lies are very unintelligent as depicted by the Mariam and Samaritan stories. The Quran cannot be trusted. The writer is Satan, the liar - aka Allah.

FxMasterz:


So, you want me to believe the empty words you spoke without proving those words?

This thread is not about the Quran or Islam but it's about the history recorded in the Bible as compared to that of the Quran.

Give us Proof that the story of Jacob is true according to the Bible!

At least we agree the Qur'an didn't copy your Bible here! But the Biblical story of Jacob is a poor one! I doubt it has any good lesson to pick out!

Don't run away from the truth that the histories recorded in the Quran are false. The lies are very unintelligent as depicted by the Mariam and Samaritan stories. The Quran cannot be trusted. The writer is Satan, the liar - aka Allah.

The Qur'an once again is not a story book! It is a religious Book and is God-centric! All this accusations about Allah can be reciprocated and you won't like it.

Satan didn't write any book except Paul that masquerades Satan as Angel of light 2 Corinthians 11:14!

AbuTwins:

Give us Proof that the story of Jacob is true according to the Bible!

At least we agree the Qur'an didn't copy your Bible here! But the Biblical story of Jacob is a poor one! I doubt it has any good lesson to pick out!


The Qur'an once again is not a story book! It is a religious Book and is God-centric! All this accusations about Allah can be reciprocated and you won't like it.

Satan didn't write any book except Paul that masquerades Satan as Angel of light 2 Corinthians 11:14!

Give us proof that the story of Jacob is true according to the Quran. How do Muslims even reason? So, if you tell me about your father, I should start asking you for proof because I believe what a stranger said about your father than you his son? How do you even reason?

The Quran copied many things from the Bible. No one said everything in the Quran was copied from there. There are other books the Quran copied from as well.

The Quran is a religious book from Satan, that's why it's full of lies. God didn't create any religion, and He will never create any religion. Only Satan does. So, the Bible wasn't originally written for religious purposes. The first parts were just history and record keepings for Israel as they journeyed through life.

We have the lessons of grace and the need for self endurance. Try searching the nets for the lessons it contains. It's very rich but your ordinary eyes won't see anything. The Bible is an ordinary book to ordinary eyes. They can't see anything even when it is laid bare before them in plain sight.

FxMasterz:


Give us proof that the story of Jacob is true according to the Quran. How do Muslims even reason? So, if you tell me about your father, I should start asking you for proof because I believe what a stranger said about your father than you his son? How do you even reason?

You made the claim that your Bible is correct and the Qur'an false! So prove it using external resources outside the Bible.

The Quran copied many things from the Bible. No one said everything in the Quran was copied from there. There are other books the Quran copied from as well.

The New Testament authors copied from the old testament authors. The Qur'an didn't copy anything from your Bible. Otherwise all the errors would have been copied along with it.

The Quran is a religious book from Satan, that's why it's full of lies. God didn't create any religion, and He will never create any religion. Only Satan does. So, the Bible wasn't originally written for religious purposes. The first parts were just history and record keepings for Israel as they journeyed through life.

Satan appeared among the sons of God in Job. He had access to your God. He even whined him to tempt Job! That's in the Bible not Qur'an! We seek refuge from Allah from the accursed Satan! Who was writting down the Israel records?

We have the lessons of grace and the need for self endurance. Try searching the nets for the lessons it contains. It's very rich but your ordinary eyes won't see anything. The Bible is an ordinary book to ordinary eyes. They can't see anything even when it is laid bare before them in plain sight.

So the New Testament was written for people who have the trinitarian mindset. Na them get Holy Spirit!

AbuTwins:
You made the claim that your Bible is correct and the Qur'an false! So prove it using external resources outside the Bible.

How can the Quran be correct when it's written by by a murderous prophet who claims an angel spoke to him. He had no witness whatsoever. Only him saw and heard an angel. The paedophile was also accused of stealing. Made serious historical and scientific blunders and hated the Jews with passion, meanwhile claiming their prophets as the prophets of Islam. The life of Mohammed itself is a testament to the falsehood in the Quran.

The Bible was written by several authors over a period of about 4,000yrs among numerous witnesses. There was no religious motive in writing the Bible. You can trust it because it was written solely for record keepings. Not for promoting any religion. You are the who should prove to us that your Quran is true after we have seen the corrupt life of Mohammed and historical and scientific blunders of the man. Who were his witnesses for the angelic visits he claimed? Only him made himself a prophet, and enforced it by his sword.

The New Testament authors copied from the old testament authors. The Qur'an didn't copy anything from your Bible. Otherwise all the errors would have been copied along with it.

The New Testament is a continuation of the Old Testament. What do you mean by the term 'copied'? The Quran copied a lot from the Bible and then reinvented the will. Many parts of the zubar ware copied from the Bible. Especially from Psalm 2 and Psalm 37. There are many things copied from the Bible by the Quran.

Satan appeared among the sons of God in Job. He had access to your God. He even whined him to tempt Job! That's in the Bible not Qur'an! We seek refuge from Allah from the accursed Satan! Who was writting down the Israel records?

Satan is Allah. No doubt . The story of Job is a true story of God's goodness in rewarding steadfastness and unwavering faith.

Scribes and Recorders are responsible for writing down histories especially in the days of the kings. You'll see that several times in the Bible. Infact, some of the Scribes and Recorders are mentioned by names.

So the New Testament was written for people who have the trinitarian mindset. Na them get Holy Spirit!

The New Testament was not written as a religious book, just like the Old Testament. It mostly contains letters that were written to a certain man or some groups of people to educate them or to clarify certain misunderstandings.

FxMasterz:

How can the Quran be correct when it's written by by a murderous prophet who claims an angel spoke to him. He had no witness whatsoever. Only him saw and heard an angel. The paedophile was also accused of stealing. Made serious historical and scientific blunders and hated the Jews with passion, meanwhile claiming their prophets as the prophets of Islam. The life of Mohammed itself is a testament to the falsehood in the Quran.

You want to turn this away from the Jacob narrative to another thing! No chance! Your Holy spirit aka devil has failed! Try again!
Where is the Proof Jacob's story is correct?

The Bible was written by several authors over a period of about 4,000yrs among numerous witnesses. There was no religious motive in writing the Bible. You can trust it because it was written solely for record keepings. Not for promoting any religion. You are the who should prove to us that your Quran is true after we have seen the corrupt life of Mohammed and historical and scientific blunders of the man. Who were his witnesses for the angelic visits he claimed? Only him made himself a prophet, and enforced it by his sword.

Where are the proofs they wrote the Books?

The New Testament is a continuation of the Old Testament. What do you mean by the term 'copied'? The Quran copied a lot from the Bible and then reinvented the will. Many parts of the zubar ware copied from the Bible. Especially from Psalm 2 and Psalm 37. There are many things copied from the Bible by the Quran.

Copied means copied! Where did the Qur'an copied the Bible? If it was copied then how was it reinvented? Which Zabur was copied from the Bible? The Injeel, Torah and Zabur is lost! So where did you see your own Zabur? Show us what was copied and what was reinvented? Show us the Bible as it is today exists in Arabia during the Prophet's time?

Satan is Allah. No doubt . The story of Job is a true story of God's goodness in rewarding steadfastness and unwavering faith.

This can be proven from the Bible. Paul said "Satan is the God of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4!

Scribes and Recorders are responsible for writing down histories especially in the days of the kings. You'll see that several times in the Bible. Infact, some of the Scribes and Recorders are mentioned by names.

Same scribes and copyists that made so many mathematical errors still found in your Bibles today? I dare you to address the errors!

https://www.nairaland.com/8087891/another-copyist-mathematical-error-bible

https://www.nairaland.com/8087959/8-copyist-errors-bible-check

The New Testament was not written as a religious book, just like the Old Testament. It mostly contains letters that were written to a certain man or some groups of people to educate them or to clarify certain misunderstandings.

How does letters get canonized as scriptures?

Christianity!

AbuTwins:

You want to turn this away from the Jacob narrative to another thing! No chance! Your Holy spirit aka devil has failed! Try again!
Where is the Proof Jacob's story is correct?

No. Giving you reasons why your Quran cannot be trusted.

Where are the proofs they wrote the Books?

Where are proofs they didn't write the books.

Copied means copied! Where did the Qur'an copied the Bible? If it was copied then how was it reinvented? Which Zabur was copied from the Bible? The Injeel, Torah and Zabur is lost! So where did you see your own Zabur? Show us what was copied and what was reinvented? Show us the Bible as it is today exists in Arabia during the Prophet's time?

The Old Testament and the New are of the same books and written by the same line of authors with the same theme
So, it's absurd to say they copied. Do you expect them to bring some new writings? A copycat can actually reinvented by muddling true stories with lies as done in the quoran.

This can be proven from the Bible. Paul said "Satan is the God of this world" in 2 Corinthians 4:4!

Yes, Satan, aka Allah is the god of this world. It was Jesus who first mentioned Satan as the god of this world. Not Paul.

Same scribes and copyists that made so many mathematical errors still found in your Bibles today? I dare you to address the errors!

https://www.nairaland.com/8087891/another-copyist-mathematical-error-bible

https://www.nairaland.com/8087959/8-copyist-errors-bible-check

The Bible didn't fall from heaven. It was not written by God directly. It was written by men whom God moved to write. Imperfect humans wrote the Bible. They can make errors but God still uses those errors as mediums of blessings and transformation for the world.

How does letters get canonized as scriptures?

The same way historical records and prophetic records were canonised as scriptures. They contain divine guidance and wisdom that nourish the spirit of man.

Christianity!

AbuTwins left all the errors of his unholy book, the scientific blunders, the historical nonsenses, the s
Biological inadequacies, and the fact that nobody has ever been transformed or made a new man by that satanic religion. The only thing his religion has given the world is bloodshed and terrorism, starting from the murderous Mohammed and the violent life he lived. Being unperturbed by them, he starts to criticize the Bible that has an unquantifiable record of turning murderers into lovely humans, prostitutes to saints and even armed robbers have become preachers, with men of the occult renouncing occultism after their encounters with the Living Jesus.

How can someone love a dead murderous Mohammed and reject the Ever Loving and Living Jesus?

Islam!!!

AbuTwins:
Jacob is the English translation of course! Arabic is Ya'qub, Hebrew is Ya'akov!

Of what use is that? The Qur'an is not a history book. As i said in the final statements of the post, the Qur'an is Allah-focused not people focused!

How do you know it is truthfully telling you anything? The fact is that Jacob is portrayed as a sissy! God's blessings can be snatched by deceit. Even Isaac and Rebekah were poor role models unbefitting of a Godly family!

You need proof to make this assertion and you have none! Abraham's son Isaac was a Prophet in Islam as well as Jacob and then Joseph. They were all good role models in Islam. Biblically they are mostly poor role models!


Let's say you are aggrieved but you shouldn't cry here! Falsehood is falsehood. The Old Testament was not even written by Moses!
The first five books of the Old Testament (Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy) are traditionally attributed to Moses. However, modern scholarship suggests that these books are a compilation of multiple sources known as the JEDP sources (Jahwist, Elohist, Deuteronomist, Priestly sources).

Make i hold up small!

So a prophet that raped a 9 years old girl is the example of a godly man, abi?

Steep:
So a prophet that raped a 9 years old girl is the example of a godly man, abi?

How is that related to Jacob in the Bible and the Qur'an?

If you have nothing to input here it's better to go and sleep bro!

Holy spirit has lost network!

FxMasterz:

No. Giving you reasons why your Quran cannot be trusted.

Give us reasons to believe the error in your Bible? This same sissy mummy's pet deceiver Jacob fought God and won!

Where are proofs they didn't write the books.

Holy spirit no get network again!

The Old Testament and the New are of the same books and written by the same line of authors with the same theme
So, it's absurd to say they copied. Do you expect them to bring some new writings? A copycat can actually reinvented by muddling true stories with lies as done in the quoran.

If this was true Judaism would be same as Christianity! Jesus and his father died as Jews!

Yes, Satan, aka Allah is the god of this world. It was Jesus who first mentioned Satan as the god of this world. Not Paul.

Holy spirit no get network again! Na to abuse our God remain!

The Bible didn't fall from heaven. It was not written by God directly. It was written by men whom God moved to write. Imperfect humans wrote the Bible. They can make errors but God still uses those errors as mediums of blessings and transformation for the world.

The errors are too much! I have posted like 9 errors today and you have been running away from them!

The same way historical records and prophetic records were canonised as scriptures. They contain divine guidance and wisdom that nourish the spirit of man.

Na Prophet Muhammad canonise the Qur'an not unknown certain church fathers decades of years after Jesus as the new testament!

All this rantings just to derail the thread show your frustrations and lack of ideas (not Holy spirit). There's nothing Holy in you!

AbuTwins:


How is that related to Jacob in the Bible and the Qur'an?

If you have nothing to input here it's better to go and sleep bro!

Holy spirit has lost network!

Why are you dodging your pedophile prophet.

😂Allah that cannot have a son without a girl friend, Mary is greater than Allah, she could conceive without a man. Stupid prophet Mohammad and his useless idol allah.

A’ishah, the Mother of the Believers, narrated that Al-Harith ibn Hisham asked the Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him): “O Allah’s apostle. How is the divine inspiration revealed to you?” The Prophet (peace and blessing be upon him) replied,

“Sometimes it is “revealed” like the ringing of a bell, this is the hardest of all, and then it passes off after I have grasped what is inspired. Sometimes the Angel comes in the form of a man and talks to me and I grasp whatever he says.” (Al-Bukhari Book 1, Hadith 2)

And (it is) a Qur’an which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages”. Q17:106.

“And those who disbelieved say: “Why is the Qur’an not revealed unto him all at once?” Thus (it is sent down in parts), that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it unto you gradually, in stages” Q25:32.

1. “By the star when it goes down (or vanishes)

2. Your companion (Muhammad) has neither gone astray nor has erred.

3. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.

4. It is only a Revelation revealed.

5. He has been taught (this Qur’aan) by one mighty in power [Jibreel (Gabriel)].”

[Q53:1-5]


“I was sitting beside the Prophet PBUH when he suddenly widens his eyes in surprise, then he looks down and stare intently at the ground and his keen gaze makes me feel as if his eyes could touch the ground. Afterwards, the Prophet PBUH said: Jibril came to me and commanded me (by the command of Allah) to place this verse in this surah.

Musnad Ahmad

AbuTwins:
Give us reasons to believe the error in your Bible? This same sissy mummy's pet deceiver Jacob fought God and won!


Holy spirit no get network again!


If this was true Judaism would be same as Christianity! Jesus and his father died as Jews!


Holy spirit no get network again! Na to abuse our God remain!


The errors are too much! I have posted like 9 errors today and you have been running away from them!


Na Prophet Muhammad canonise the Qur'an not unknown certain church fathers decades of years after Jesus as the new testament!

All this rantings just to derail the thread show your frustrations and lack of ideas (not Holy spirit). There's nothing Holy in you!

My dear, the Bible is not a book for argumentation. If you choose to believe the lies of a man who made himself a prophet all by himself, and also enforced his prophethood by his sword, only to tell you later on that he doesn't know what shall be done to him, go ahead.

Jesus explicitly told you, "I am the way, the truth and the life." Have you ever head any ordinary human being talk like that?

Your can choose to be saved or choose to be damned. I advise you to choose salvation. Christianity doesn't save. Islam doesn't save. Arguments from morning till night don't save. Only Jesus saves. If you believe He died and rose again for your salvation. Today, you will experience the joy of salvation, and the peace of Gkd would flood your soul.

FxMasterz:


My dear, the Bible is not a book for argumentation. If you choose to believe the lies of a man who made himself a prophet all by himself, and also enforced his prophethood by his sword, only to tell you later on that he doesn't know what shall be done to him, go ahead.

If at all i learnt you guys have no decorum and will immediately abuse when there's nothing else to say! Holy spirit people wet dey abuse!

YHWH too had sword in Zephaniah 2:12. And Jesus said by himself he can do nothing!

So na same thing!

Jesus explicitly told you, "I am the way, the truth and the life." Have you ever head any ordinary human being talk like that?

Without checking the bible what's the context of that verse?

Your can choose to be saved or choose to be damned. I advise you to choose salvation. Christianity doesn't save.

I already chose salvation! Allah needs not have a son! No son killing of God! No vicarious blood sacrifice! No Jesus's death!

We are saved by the mercy of Allah!

Islam doesn't save.

Islam does!

Arguments from morning till night don't save. Only Jesus saves. If you believe He died and rose again for your salvation. Today, you will experience the joy of salvation, and the peace of Gkd would flood your soul.

Jesus can't save himself! God wey die! That one na God!

God became man!
God died!
God beget son!
God rose from the dead!
All lies!

AbuTwins:
Summary!
Jacob in the Bible is portrayed as being a sissy, a deceiver and a thief!
Jacob in the Qur'an is portrayed as a righteous Prophet and one devoted to God's worship!
Do you think the Qur'an copied the Bible in this regard?

More like the Quran, which was written more than 3000 years after the fact, attempted to polish the story, you know, give Jacob a more holy backstory. I assume that the Mohammedians felt that a man like Jacob needed to have a well-combed pedigree to qualify to be used by God, when in fact, no such is necessary.

The blessings that Jacob stole from his brother, Esau, were not God's blessings but the blessings his father, a rich man, had for his sons. The blessing that was Abraham had nothing to do with one's birth position. You would know this if you paid attention to Scripture. For example, Joseph, was Son number 11, yet He was favored by God. And David was a lastborn, yet He was favored by God. Judah's line, through whom Jesus Christ was born was not the firstborn. It didn't matter in all of the cases whether the man in question inherited his father's earthly blessings or not. What mattered more to God was the preparedness of the heart for what He required it for.

Kobojunkie:
More like the Quran, which was written more than 3000 years after the fact, attempted to polish the story, you know, give Jacob a more holy backstory. I assume that the Mohammedians felt that a man like Jacob needed to have a well-combed pedigree to qualify to be used by God, when in fact, no such is necessary.

When was the Old testament written and compiled? And how far was the compilation to when the actual event took place? The Islamic Prophets are all good role models with strong personalities and not sissies! They are not used to being controlled by their mum nor actually being deceitful. To cap it all God was just an onlooker to those atrocities! No human is perfect but an appointed man of God should be a role model to his people!

The blessings that Jacob stole from his brother, Esau, were not God's blessings but the blessings his father, a rich man, had for his sons. The blessing that was Abraham had nothing to do with one's birth position. You would know this if you paid attention to Scripture. For example, Joseph, was Son number 11, yet He was favored by God. And David was a lastborn, yet He was favored by God. Judah's line, through whom Jesus Christ was born was not the firstborn. It didn't matter in all of the cases whether the man in question inherited his father's earthly blessings or not. What mattered more to God was the preparedness of the heart for what He required it for.

That blessing is similar to that of Prophethood Isaac, Jacob and Joseph were Prophets. Prophets are appointed by God not by stealing blessings to be Prophet.

Jacob did not grant Prophethood to Joseph, it was God's favor!
Same as David, Solomon and others!

AbuTwins:
∆ When was the Old testament written and compiled? And how far was the compilation to when the actual event took place? The Islamic Prophets are all good role models with strong personalities and not sissies! They are not used to being controlled by their mum nor actually being deceitful. To cap it all God was just an onlooker to those atrocities! No human is perfect but an appointed man of God should be a role model to his people!
∆ That blessing is similar to that of Prophethood Isaac, Jacob and Joseph were Prophets. Prophets are appointed by God not by stealing blessings to be Prophet. Jacob did not grant Prophethood to Joseph, it was God's favor! Same as David, Solomon and others!

1. And this is exactly why I said the Islamic story was an attempt to whitewash the moral image of the man without understanding of what it was YHWH was in fact after.

2. Moses was a murderer at one point in time. YHWH did not cleanse Him of that image nor did YHWH restrict anyone from mentioning that part of Moses. No, when Moses was finally ready for YHWH, YHWH used Him despite that. YHWH obviously didn't care about what is an outward moral image. Perfection has nothing to do with one's moral image.

But of course, Allah of the Muslims seems focused on just that that outward image and thus explaining the whitewashing of the characters to make them appear larger than life when they were instead supposed to be flesh and blood humans, complete with emotions , desires, pains, etc.

Kobojunkie:
1. And this is exactly why I said the Islamic story was an attempt to whitewash the moral image of the man without understanding of what it was YHWH was in fact after.

The Prophet wasn't aware of your Bible before the revelation! He was unlettered! And even his contemporary never called him a liar before the revelation!

2. Moses was a murderer at one point in time. YHWH did not cleanse Him of that image nor did YHWH restrict anyone from mentioning that part of Moses. No, when Moses was finally ready for YHWH, YHWH used Him despite that. YHWH obviously didn't care about what is an outward moral image. Perfection has nothing to do with one's moral image.

Yeah, Moses did commit that in the Qur'an too. But it wasn't intentional like Cain's. Moses later asked for forgiveness and was forgiven!

But of course, Allah of the Muslims seems focused on just that that outward image and thus explaining the whitewashing of the characters to make them appear larger than life when they were instead supposed to be flesh and blood humans, complete with emotions , desires, pains, etc.

All humans are subject to sin! But prophets don't commit major sins like intentional killings, Adultery, covetousness, theft, etc.

I never say they were perfect but as role models they should at least a level of righteousness unlike other nominal humans!

AbuTwins:
■ The Prophet wasn't aware of your Bible before the revelation! He was unlettered! And even his contemporary never called him a liar before the revelation!
■ Yeah, Moses did commit that in the Qur'an too. But it wasn't intentional like Cain's. Moses later asked for forgiveness and was forgiven!
All humans are subject to sin! But prophets don't commit major sins like intentional killings, Adultery, covetousness, theft, etc.
■ I never say they were perfect but as role models they should at least a level of righteousness unlike other nominal humans!

I highly doubt that given the history of the region and the people, even at the time in question.

2. Murder is murder! YHWH does not care for human lectures.

3. Those men were not meant as role models for anyone.

Kobojunkie:
I highly doubt that given the history of the region and the people, even at the time in question.

Doubt is not fact!

2. Murder is murder! YHWH does not care for human lectures.

Exodus 21:12-14 (New International Version): "Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death."

Ain't that YHWH caring for human excuses?

3. Those men were not meant as role models for anyone.

That's according to your belief. According to ours they were role models for the people of their time!

AbuTwins:
■ Doubt is not fact!
■ Exodus 21:12-14 (New International Version): "Anyone who strikes a person with a fatal blow is to be put to death. However, if it is not done intentionally, but God lets it happen, they are to flee to a place I will designate. But if anyone schemes and kills someone deliberately, that person is to be taken from my altar and put to death."
Ain't that YHWH caring for human excuses?
■ That's according to your belief. According to ours they were role models for the people of their time!

This isn't really about me but about the facts that had been established in that region, for well over 600 years before Mohammed.

2. The Law which you quote is not retroactive; it came 40 years before Moses killed a man in Egypt. And no, even the Law does not concern itself with the excuses of men.

3. Not my belief but from the fact that the God of Israel instead said His people obey His Law alone.

Kobojunkie:
This isn't really about me but about the facts that had been established in that region, for well over 600 years before Mohammed.

The difference is actually less than 300 years! The Books of the bible were written and had to be canonised aka fixed for you as New testament in the 4th century! If it was established it won't need a debate and votes to be canonised!

The Qur'an was ready before the death of the Prophet in 632AD.

So < 250 years not 600!

2. The Law which you quote is not retroactive; it came 40 years before Moses killed a man in Egypt. And no, even the Law does not concern itself with the excuses of men.

I didn't relate it to the time of Moses! It shows you were wrong about your YHWH. Manslaughter is not same as murder!

3. Not my belief but from the fact that the God of Israel instead said His people obey His Law alone.

So the prophets of YHWH are not supposed to be above board at least?

David had the holy spirit yet still committed murder and adultery!

Samson too was just empowered with the Holy spirit to kill and kill...