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[quote author=Lord_ReedI did not go seeking for a speaking in tongues experience, it just happened to me while praying. Tell me, what happened to the Disciples at Pentecost?[/quote]On the day of Pentecost the Spirit of God entered them and they began speaking in tongues. Did you continue reading to learn that everyone that was gathered heard what they were saying in their own tongue? When you speak in tongues who understands? If is a coded message to God... why do you have to say it aloud? Is God not capable of getting the message directly from your mind? ... and isn't the way to God no longer thru Jesus?..... cause you are saying you have coded direct contact. You need to seriously think whether the source of your utterances are of God or Satan.

That ability to speak in tongues has ceased.....it has served its purpose a longtime ago and we don't need it anymore....

That is why all I hear around me is many persons uttering incoherent words or should I say gibberish....

The major reason why the apostles were given the gift of speaking tongues was for them to preach Gods words to the most distant part of the earth, to non Jews......

Funny enough almost every person who claims to speak in tongues today utters the same paTtern of words nation wide,make noise and then accomplish nothing..........

ijawkid: That ability to speak in tongues has ceased.....it has served its purpose a longtime ago and we don't need it anymore....

That is why all I hear around me is many persons uttering incoherent words or should I say gibberish....

The major reason why the apostles were given the gift of speaking tongues was for them to preach Gods words to the most distant part of the earth, to non Jews......

Funny enough almost every person who claims to speak in tongues today utters the same paTtern of words nation wide,make noise and then accomplish nothing..........

Then you are saying Jesus's affirmation of His believers is false? Sometimes, we are better off keep quiet than putting ourselves in a position of spiritual obliteration by our utterances. Clearly Jesus said in Mark, and I quote

15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

May God help you, that your eyes of understanding may be unveiled from shackles of the wicked one.

[quote author=Omo_Tier1]Then you are saying Jesus's affirmation of His believers is false? Sometimes, we are better off keep quiet than putting ourselves in a position of spiritual obliteration by our utterances. Clearly Jesus said in Mark, and I quote

15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well.”

May God help you, that your eyes of understanding may be unveiled from shackles of the wicked one.[/quote]That scripture was fulfilled by his apostles and early 1st century christians not you or any other person who claims he or she speaks in tongues today.......

Let me ask you:::::...what have you accomplished with your acclaimed speaking in tongues??.....

On pentecost 3000 persons embraced christianity because they could hear the message of Christ in there languages(tongues)......

What do you do with speaking in tongues today??......nothing......

@all....read 1 corinthians 13:8-13...especially verse 8..._______________________

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be
prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be
TONGUES, they shall cease; whether there be
knowledge, it shall vanish away.
9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect is come,
then that which is in part shall be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I
understood as a child, I thought as a child: but
when I became a man, I put away childish
things.
12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but
then face to face: now I know in part; but then
shall I know even as also I am known.
13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these
three; but the greatest of these is charity.
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The apostles kÑew in part back then,...the fledgling church needed these various gifts, to make sure it was firmly grounded.....the scriptures too was still under writing....they needed to speak in tongues to spread the kingdom news from Jerusalem to all parts of the earth......

How else could a small group of jewish christians preach to various persons of other tribes and nationalities if not for the help of that gift of speaking in tongues....??.....how could persons who only knew the Jewish language speak to arabians,africans etc??...they needed to speak in tongues...
Today we don't need it........


Paul knew those gifts were temporary not permanent........that is why the evidence is all over the place that people just blab over words thinking they are speaking in tongues....its obvious that what we hear today is gibberish....

@ verse 13 paul writes down what will remain when those gifts are done away with or ceased after it has fulfilled its purpose....paul says LOVE or CHArity is what will remain.........

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So today anyone who thinks that speaking in tongues is what identifies an individual or a group of persons that they are filled with the holy spirit is getting it wrong....

LOVE is what will mark true followers of Christ in these end times and not tongue speaking.....

The language of angels is different from that of men. It probably is the language of creation which was probably lost to men after the Tower of babel language-split incident

[quote author=Originalsly][/quote]And what would be the purpose of Satan giving me unknown tongues? To prove that any time I pray in Jesus name along with unknown tongues that I am promoting Satan's kingdom? Does what you say make any sense?

ijawkid: That scripture was fulfilled by his apostles and early 1st century christians not you or any other person who claims he or she speaks in tongues today.......

Let me ask you:::::...what have you accomplished with your acclaimed speaking in tongues??.....

On pentecost 3000 persons embraced christianity because they could hear the message of Christ in there languages(tongues)......

What do you do with speaking in tongues today??......nothing......

I think you should look at I Cor.14 again and see what the purpose of tongues are. It is for edification of the speaker not the hearer. The fact that it is unknown doesn't negate it's usefulness neither has anything indicated that it is no longer relevant for the believer today.

My life has been altered irrevocably for good by the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of unknown tongues. That is the good it has done.

O and yes I have used it to help others (not to their hearing) in private prayers.

RedReact: When some people speak in tongues, the language can be some other peoples' language, whose country or land has never been.
There was a case like that in which an illiterate old woman was speaking in tongue but the language she was speaking was English. It happened in Ilesa, Osun State. The woman never understood English, neither could she recite ABC.
We have tongues of men and that of angels and that is why it is being referred to as 'diverse kinds of tongues.'
What many believers speak as tongue are tongues of angels, I.e languages on no one, and can only be interpreted by the Giver of that gift Himself, the Holy Ghost.

Where you there when this illiterate old woman miraculously spoke in a language she did not previously understand. or you heard the story from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone... who heard it from someone that heard it from 'them say'?
Most nigerians are like you, they reason like children always ready to accept any incredible story as fact. The quote below shows that someone has clearly accepted this unverified story as fact and i won't be surprised for him to narrate this same story he heard from someone he doesn't know as if he was there himself.

Originalsly: Is this not an example of someone receiving the gift of tongue? Note... whatever she said could be understood or interpreted. To the defenders of the hmmm....uninterpretable tongues.... why do you talk aloud when the Bible made it clear that you should be silent if there is no interpreter?... hello?

dorox: Where you there when this illiterate old woman miraculously spoke in a language she did not previously understand. or you heard the story from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone... who heard it from someone that heard it from 'them say'?

Thanks for your observation.
I wasn't there when it happened but I got it from a confirmed source because I was in a Bible study class that day. Moreover, I know someone speak in Swahili language (just speaking in tongue) but he never understood the language at all. Fortunately for him, a Swaziland citizen was there when he was just praying. After the incident happened, the Swaziland man now told him everything he said. He said the speaker was actually praying against an accident which was bound to happen to a particular man (though the man was unknown).
Acts 2 gives a first hand evidence of this happening.

joe4christ: [size=15pt]This is absolutely gibberish nonsense, those who wrote such an article are confused set of people who are in the verge of twisting the scriptures to suit themselves and their ideologies, but unfortunately for them it wont even change a thing, speaking in tongue is real, for those who have tasted of it knows they are'nt forming it, it flows from withen, as deep down their spirit man, it's a way of communicating with God - your spirit communicating with God in a language coded for God's hearing alone via the holy spirit, yes it is coded so the demonic spirits in the second heavens and evil spirits on earth would not be able to detect what your spirit in collaboration with the holy spirit is saying to God so they dont set trap against you to hinder your testimony in christ.
Speaking in tongues is like sending a private letter to Obama sealed in a secured envelope with secured seals so no one else can open or detect what's written inside without Obama noticing it until it gets to the receipient.
So is tongue, it's prayers hiden in mysteries unable to be deciphered by the kingdom of darkness except God himself,
and that is why speaking in tongue is a prayer directed to God alone that even your senses cannot figure it out, only the Holy spirit in connection with your spirit interceeds on your behalf to the father.
So the cannal man cannot understand this, only those in christ can.
Bless you![/size]

Please provide scriptural support for all these stuffs you just said? Are you really sure you have not smoked anything?

dorox: The quote below shows that someone has clearly accepted this unverified story as fact and i won't be surprised for him to narrate this same story he heard from someone he doesn't know as if he was there himself.

Not so fast!... it's not the first time am hearing this story and if I did a thousand times doesn't make it true. Was using this his own story to show the gift of tongue manifesting itself in someone as in the Day of Pentecost. Do I believe this story? No. Is it possible? Yes. Would I go about repeating it? No.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Excuse? Since when did scripture become an excuse? Did the Disciples need an excuse for what happened to them after the Holy Spirit baptism?[/quote]you av nt answered ma question. You av just deviated 4m d topic. I neva said d disciples used d scripture as an excuse 4 wat happened 2 them. I said YOU shouldnt use dat scripture has an excuse. When d disciples first spoke in other tongues, which was d commencement of tongue speakin, and d perfect example, they spoke in other languages, that was understood by everyone around them.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]And what would be the purpose of Satan giving me unknown tongues? To prove that any time I pray in Jesus name along with unknown tongues that I am promoting Satan's kingdom? Does what you say make any sense?[/quote]I don't know what plans Satan has laid out for you...maybe is to deceive us into believing talking in tongues as you do is Godly. Makes any sense? I guess it doesn't.

Bobbysworld28: ICor 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

The article is misleading at best.

GOD bless you. dat settles it

[quote author=Lord_Reed]I think you should look at I Cor.14 again and see what the purpose of tongues are. It is for edification of the speaker not the hearer. The fact that it is unknown doesn't negate it's usefulness neither has anything indicated that it is no longer relevant for the believer today.

My life has been altered irrevocably for good by the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gift of unknown tongues. That is the good it has done.

O and yes I have used it to help others (not to their hearing) in private prayers.[/quote]Its like you didn't peruse 1 corinthians 13 to see that tongues would cease after it has served its purpose.....

Didn't you read it??

My problÉm is why shÓuld you gravitate to speaking in tongues that no one understand?s?.....why??

It benefits nobody,not even you...

If you still read that 1 Çorinthians 14 you'll find out that tongues is suppose to benefit the church...that's why if yoÙ utter words that isn't understooÐ by the crowd or there aint no interpreter then you'll infact be speaking into the air.......

Speaking in tongues is suppose to be for the upbuilding of the church......

Have you ever had an interpreter by your side when you speak in tongues??...

See controversies O! Nairalanders christians!!

Lyzbet: you av nt answered ma question. You av just deviated 4m d topic. I neva said d disciples used d scripture as an excuse 4 wat happened 2 them. I said YOU shouldnt use dat scripture has an excuse. When d disciples first spoke in other tongues, which was d commencement of tongue speakin, and d perfect example, they spoke in other languages, that was understood by everyone around them.

Obviously you need to read a few more scriptures. Read this:

1 Corinthians 14

New King James Version (NKJV)
Prophecy and Tongues

14 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. 2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries.

Tongues were obviously not always understood by the hearers and even interpretation was by reason of a spiritual gift not by reason of natural understanding. My experience was similar enough to the Pentecost experience that I have no reason to doubt it.

ijawkid: Its like you didn't peruse 1 corinthians 13 to see that tongues would cease after it has served its purpose.....

Didn't you read it??

My problÉm is why shÓuld you gravitate to speaking in tongues that no one understand?s?.....why??

It benefits nobody,not even you...

If you still read that 1 Çorinthians 14 you'll find out that tongues is suppose to benefit the church...that's why if yoÙ utter words that isn't understooÐ by the crowd or there aint no interpreter then you'll infact be speaking into the air.......

Speaking in tongues is suppose to be for the upbuilding of the church......

Have you ever had an interpreter by your side when you speak in tongues??...

Knowledge too is also supposed to vanish so according to you we should throw it away. That obviously is not the sense of the passage. It was going in a completely different direction from what you are saying.

Tongues don't benefit the speaker? Men you really need to read 1 Cor. 14 well. Lemme help you:

1 Corinthians 14

New King James Version (NKJV)
4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself,

Tongues edify the speaker. You do know the meaning of edify don't you? It is Interpretation of Tongues that is for the church and that also is a gift from the Holy Spirit not a result of natural knowledge.

Paul in all that chapter never says to the church that it is wrong or satanic to speak in unknown tongues, his emphasis was that we should seek to edify the church with our gifts and to give place for all these gifts with order.

pastormustwacc: See controversies O! Nairalanders christians!!

Inspired by whom?

ijawkid: Its like you didn't peruse 1 corinthians 13 to see that tongues would cease after it has served its purpose.....

Didn't you read it??

My problÉm is why shÓuld you gravitate to speaking in tongues that no one understand?s?.....why??

It benefits nobody,not even you...

If you still read that 1 Çorinthians 14 you'll find out that tongues is suppose to benefit the church...that's why if yoÙ utter words that isn't understooÐ by the crowd or there aint no interpreter then you'll infact be speaking into the air.......

Speaking in tongues is suppose to be for the upbuilding of the church......

Have you ever had an interpreter by your side when you speak in tongues??...

The Kingdom of God is not in words but in d demonstration of power..if u re still doubting like thomas d authencity of the Gift of tongues..i recomend u buy Good mornin Holy Spirit by Benny Hinn. Read it wit an open mind and u will immediately receive the Holy Spirit baptism..or Ask ur pastor to lay hands on u or read d bible with a clear min d and ask God to visit u if really tongue is real..i tell u it is real..jus Believe God and u will be suprised d Baptism will come on u witout even d layin of Hands..Christainity is power..i was a muslim..i tell u.u pple dnt know wat u re missin..dnt let d devil rub u of ur inheritance in christ.God bless u brother..i love u..but i hate u ignorance in the things of d Spirit.my prayer is for God to open ur eyes to see into d supernatural.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Inspired by whom?[/quote]Hmn, i wonder. . .i dont inspire anyone though, only share my views that is all.

pastormustwacc: Hmn, i wonder. . .i dont inspire anyone though, only share my views that is all.

So why are you surprised with the response? You even laughed that people didn't come to "defend" speaking in tongues and now you make such a statement. Really do you even know what it is you are doing?

^^Well, i was not expecting the responses to go like this, but i am merely an observer.

I will just fold my arms akimbo and watch.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Knowledge too is also supposed to vanish so according to you we should throw it away. That obviously is not the sense of the passage. It was going in a completely different direction from what you are saying.[/quote]Yeah Ànd knowledge did vanish after it serveÐ its purpose......we have no Óther knowledge today than what is written Ín the scri¶tures......all what a christian should know is within the pages of the scriptures.......the early christians never had that opportunity to hold a complete bible and so they needed knowledge to get the preachn work started and also the copying of scriptural texts that we are benefiting from today............

Like I said all those gifts have all been done away with.......

1 corinthians 13 tells us what will remain.........that scripture is clear.....I can concur to the fact that the 1st century christians spoke in tongues,but I can't with todays christians...they are speaking rubbish and been showy with it while LOVE Ís flung to the back ground....

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Tongues were obviously not always understood by the hearers and even interpretation was by reason of a spiritual gift not by reason of natural understanding. My experience was similar enough to the Pentecost experience that I have no reason to doubt it.[/quote]You forget that the main reason why the gift of speaking in tongues was given was solely for an audience and not for the speaker......I bet you never had any similar experience with the early christians @ pentecost 33c.e.....without even an interpreter,the many persons who were around that vicinity heard the goodnews about the Christ in there own languages respectively.........
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We can confirm this from acts 2:6-12
6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came
together in bewilderment, because each one
heard their own language being spoken.
7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all
these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how
is it that each of us hears them in our native
language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites;
residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and
Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[b] 10 Phrygia and
Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near
Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and
converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we
hear them declaring the wonders of God in our
own tongues!” 12 Amazed and perplexed, they
asked one another, “What does this mean?”
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Tell me if what you experienced was even
Close to what
happend @ pentecost 33 C.É as we've read........

And also interpretation was a necessity when those around you can't benefit from the tongues you are speaking......@ the end of the day while trying to edify yourself the next person should be edified.......

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Tongues don't benefit the speaker? Men you really need to read 1 Cor. 14 well. Lemme help you:[/quote]It does but at the time of the apostles and not now that gibberish is what is uttered by many................

Like I also said you also need to read 1 corinthians 14 completely.........

Why on earth do you think paul would urge his brothers to prophesy more rather than speaking in tongues??.....because the gift in the first place was given solely to edify unbelieve®s....... Why do you think the Jews and isrealites back then before the inception of the church didn't need to speak in tongues??......




[quote author=Lord_Reed]Tongues edify the speaker. You do know the meaning of edify don't you? It is Interpretation of Tongues that is for the church and that also is a gift from the Holy Spirit not a result of natural knowledge.
.[/quote]Now let me show you why the tongues people speak today is all wayo.....

Simply because they choose to speak unknown tongues rather than tongues understood or iÑterp®eted for the benefit of others.......

Let's me quote down 1 corinthians 14:3-12
2 For
anyone who speaks in a tongue[a] does not
speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one
understands them; they utter mysteries by
the Spirit. 3 But the one who prophesies
speaks to people for their strengthening,
encouraging and comfort. 4 Anyone who speaks
in a tongue edifies themselves, but the one
who prophesies edifies the church. 5 I would
like every one of you to speak in tongues,[b]
but I would rather have you prophesy. The one
who prophesies is greater than the one who
speaks in tongues,[c] unless someone
interprets, so that the church may be edified.
6 Now, brothers and sisters, if I come to you
and speak in tongues, what good will I be to
you, unless I bring you some revelation or
knowledge or prophecy or word of instruction?
7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make
sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will
anyone know what tune is being played unless
there is a distinction in the notes? 8 Again, if
the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who
will get ready for battle? 9 So it is with you.
Unless you speak intelligible words with your
tongue, how will anyone know what you are
saying? You will just be speaking into the air.
10 Undoubtedly there are all sorts of
languages in the world, yet none of them is
without meaning. 11 If then I do not grasp the
meaning of what someone is saying, I am a
foreigner to the speaker, and the speaker is a
foreigner to me. 12 So it is with you. Since you
are eager for gifts of the Spirit, try to excel
in those that build up the church.
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As an ijaw boy if I decide to give thanks or pray to God privately or within my heart(un-uttered) in the ijaw language I am indeed edifying myself....and that means no one should even see me when I pray or even if they do my prayers should be made quietly ......because just as Jesus did and said,I'll go into somewhwere quiet and private to pray.....

But when I get to the church and speak in a tongue(ijaw),to a non-ijaw speaking audience I must have an interpreter so that the congregation will be edified......if not I §hould just keep my mouth shu
t.....

What I have observed today is that everybody in a church speaks in tongues simultaneously and noisily and not even one person gets edified,rather they all return back home with headache .........in a church where everybody understands english,what is the need for the pastor to speak in an unknown tongue??is it necessarÝ??would that nt be madness??like paul said in verses 6-10,he'll infact be speaking into the air thereby accomplishing nothing.........

Ofcus the reason why I know many speak rubbish today is because they will still shout with microphones when claiming to speak in tongues in the church.....and guess what no interpreters becausÉ everybody just chants.......

Let's see what paul told christians back then...in verses 26-28

26 What then shall we say, brothers and
sisters? When you come together, each of you
has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a
revelation, a tongue or an interpretation.
Everything must be done so that the church
may be built up. 27 If anyone speaks in a
tongue, two—or at the most three—should
speak, one at a time, and someone must
interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the
speaker should keep quiet in the church and
speak to himself and to God....
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Hope you read the principles??

If at all anyone has to speak in tongues in the church there MUST be an interpreter.....that is what never happens in the churches today..........abi I dey lie??.....

^^^^ He said speak in tongues just don't do it without blessing others, that doesn't negate the unknown tongues. Also are you saying the Holy Spirit no longer reveals things to men? That all that should be known has been revealed? Wow what a very strange concept. I wonder what the Holy Spirit does for believers these days. No spiritual gifts, no revelations of God's will (according to you) what is His role then?

[quote author=Lord_Reed]^^^^ He said speak in tongues just don't do it without blessing others, that doesn't negate the unknown tongues. Also are you saying the Holy Spirit no longer reveals things to men? That all that should be known has been revealed? Wow what a very strange concept. I wonder what the Holy Spirit does for believers these days. No spiritual gifts, no revelations of God's will (according to you) what is His role then?[/quote]The holy spirit in these last days helps true christians exude the quality of LOVE.........

Paul says that is what will remain......

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And talking about revealing things,the scriptures as we have it contains all we need....

All prophecies are contained in the scriptures and so we don't need anything extra.....all what we need do is read and decipher what is in the holy book........

We have the words of Yahweh,his son Jesus,the prophets,the apostles all in the scriptures...what more do we need??

Or abi you wan listen to the prophecies and visions of hell fire wey people dey talk these days??......

when we raise questions like "what are all these things you say when you speak in tongues?", christians are quick to point us to 1cor 14:1-2. But isnt it interesting that we no longer hear the "tongues of men" today? Cristians are so quick to point to the "he that speaks in tongues speaks not to man..." verse so as to cover up their falsehood.

ijawkid: The holy spirit in these last days helps true christians exude the quality of LOVE.........

Paul says that is what will remain......

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And talking about revealing things,the scriptures as we have it contains all we need....

All prophecies are contained in the scriptures and so we don't need anything extra.....all what we need do is read and decipher what is in the holy book........

We have the words of Yahweh,his son Jesus,the prophets,the apostles all in the scriptures...what more do we need??

Or abi you wan listen to the prophecies and visions of hell fire wey people dey talk these days??......

Well since you believe that the Holy Spirit only helps you exude love that is all well and good. I have experienced more than that from the Holy Spirit and I doubt that will end anytime soon. If experiencing what was promised with the Holy Spirit (in the same bible no less) is wayo well so be it. My experience matches the scripture you and I believe, you may choose to attribute the works to a devil or whatever, I will hold on the promises of the Word.

ITbomb: Sometimes we are forced to speak in tongues.
Have u ever been to a church and Pastor say just open ur mouth and flow and u open ur mouth but nothing comes out, the pastor with authority keep on intimidating u and u don't want to be the one that is making the pastor ineffective and u start speaking nonsense then he pushes u and u just have to fall so that he can move over to the next person.

I can bet my arse on this. You experienced this at christembassy or BLW

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Well since you believe that the Holy Spirit only helps you exude love that is all well and good. I have experienced more than that from the Holy Spirit and I doubt that will end anytime soon. If experiencing what was promised with the Holy Spirit (in the same bible no less) is wayo well so be it. My experience matches the scripture you and I believe, you may choose to attribute the works to a devil or whatever, I will hold on the promises of the Word.[/quote]Hmmmm.....

Oya na..........but if I catch you utter incohorent words without an interpreter I go arrest you.....lol....

this is highly spiritual. dont comment on an area you do not understand.

Can you also explain how people get healed A blind man starts seeing or the lame starts walking without being touched park well before God does that for you.