₦airaland Forum

Difrent:
I perfectly align with you on this.
We have collectively chosen to make escuse for our indolence.
Everyone is a culprit. Both those that chose to speak without acting and those that didn't speak up
Nobody should blame anyone or any party or any tribe , we are all collectively guilty of allowing the country degenerate to this level because of our tribal and religious affiliations.

But the way forward is tough and rough, are Nigerians ready to go through this willingly or unwillingly ? Only time will tell

tctrills:
No, you shouldn't compare them to African countries compare them to their fellow European countries. France revolted against their monarchy the English did not is France greater than the UK?

The Peasants’ Revolt 1381
It was one of the great revolts of medieval Europe, only three decades since the Black Death, and many English subjects were angered by the poll tax.

Led by Wat Tyler, rebels marched from Kent and Essex to London. Some leaders even challenged the existence of the class system. When assembled at Blackheath, Lollard priest John Ball preached equality for all. The Archbishop of Canterbury and key royal officials were killed, but King Richard II reasserted the Crown’s control. Promises made were later reneged on, and Wat Tyler was killed, along with hundreds of others. But feudalism was on its way out, and the plight of many peasants did improve.

The First Barons' War (1215–1217) was a civil war in the Kingdom of England in which a group of rebellious major landowners (commonly referred to as barons) led by Robert Fitzwalter waged war against King John of England. The conflict resulted from King John's disastrous wars against King Philip II of France, which led to the collapse of the Angevin Empire, and John's subsequent refusal to accept and abide by Magna Carta, which John had sealed on 15 June 1215.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barons%27_War

budaatum:
Really?

tctrills:
You did not get the sense of what I was talking about.

armyofone:
Team 1 - One hand on the right = 1/3 cup of hot garrium

Team 2 - One hand on the left = 3 cups of hefty mound of hot garrium

Which team is yours ?

On the long run, large amount of food is not good for humans general/overall well-being.

MIKOLOWISKA:
Low grade ppl yet they defeated you in election
What does that make you
Negative grade
Less than scum of the earth
Nonentity like you

budaatum:
Perhaps not, but your claim that the English did not revolt is false.

The English in fact adopted democracy so their citizens can peacefully revolt at election if they so wish to.

tctrills:
Revolution do not necessarily make society better.

budaatum:
I think you mean protests do not necessarily make society better.

A revolution is a successful protest that changes the status quo, and by nature, it does make society better.

tctrills:
You mean the Chinese revolution, the Iranian revolution, the Egyptians revolution, Russian revolution, the Venezuelan revolution, the Libyan revolution all made their societies better?

tctrills:
A more accurate definition of revolution would be, a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favour of a new system.
And we have seen many I. Nigeria. It does not work.

The Russian Revolution was a period of political and social change in the Russian Empire, starting in 1917. This period saw Russia abolish its monarchy and adopt a socialist form of government following two successive revolutions and a bloody civil war. The Russian Revolution can also be seen as the precursor for the other European revolutions that occurred during or in the aftermath of World War I, such as the German Revolution of 1918–1919.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Revolution

The 1911 Revolution, also known as the Xinhai Revolution or Hsinhai Revolution, ended China's last imperial dynasty, the Qing dynasty, and led to the establishment of the Republic of China. The revolution was the culmination of a decade of agitation, revolts, and uprisings. Its success marked the collapse of the Chinese monarchy, the end of over two millennia of imperial rule in China and over 200 years of the Qing dynasty, and the beginning of China's early republican era.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_Revolution

When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
Genesis 3

tctrills:
Even Nigerians have revolted many times. It's human nature to revolt but I was comparing them to France who changed their monarchy.
Message was, Revolution do not necessarily make society better.

budaatum:
China, Egypt, and Russia have had many revolutions throughout their history, and they definitely did improve the societies for many of their people, you'd find if you studied their histories before and after. I'll list a few at the end for you to read. The lot of the revolters were always better than it was prior to their successful revolt.


You seem to be mixing a coup, which Nigeria has had many of, with a revolution of the people, which Nigeria has not had any of unless you want to count the revolution that gave us our independence.

budaatum:
Nigerians have not revolted many times. What we do is protest, and that is not the same as a revolution, which is the successful uprising of the people and a change of the status quo. If we want to consider our revolutions, the revolt against the British for independence would be one instance, and June 12 that resulted in democracy would be another. The Biafra War would have been a third, but it was unsuccessful, and would be a revolt, but not a revolution per se.

As for revolutions " not necessarily making things better", that depends. Many would tell you Eve revolting against the lie that nourishing herself with knowledge would result in her death was not better, but the evidence, that she and her husband became self-employed and went on to populate the earth, and lived for almost 1000 years, is better in my book, but I guess that might be because I abhor slavery.

tctrills:
None of the revolutions you mentioned made life any better for the people and that has been my point.

budaatum:
And your point is incorrect. The people who revolted, including us Nigerians who revolted against British and military rule, and history, would tell you their revolution made their lives much better than it was under those they revolted against.

tctrills:
Yes and like Eve, we continue to revolt against God each time we sin. Not really a good thing.
Bro, revolutions bring negative outcomes nine times out of ten.

tctrills:
So the Nigerian independence was not a product of revolution. It just happened with the change in times. And it led to a very corrupt democracy that ultimately ended up in 2 coups and a civil war that millions were killed.
Please sight a better example.
And there had never been a Nigerian revolution against military rule.

budaatum:
Not revolting is like telling alimanjeris in the North who are kept ignorant to be content with their ignorance and enslavement.

A God that tells one to remain ignorant or they will die if they acquire knowledge must be revolted against because it is not knowledge that kills, but ignorance and the lack of knowledge.

In fact, that Eve story was written precisely to ensure you don't revolt against your masters by making you believe the lie that revolting would result in you surely dying on the day that you eat thereof. And as you can read below, they did not die on acquiring knowledge but lived to almost a 1000 years.

That said, I feel you. Some, I guess, like being oppressed and enslaved. When some people wanted to revolt against their slave masters in America, some slaves reported them to their masters and they got whipped and sold. Funny thing is, Americans revolted against their master Britain, and have now become masters of the world just live Eve did

I would rather revolt and die than be a slave and eat, while some would rather eat than revolt and be free to provide their own food from the sweat of their own brow. That's probably why Nigerians did not revolt and elect a different party at the last election. Only thing is, their not revolting has now resulted in them being hungry.

budaatum:
Nigerian independence was precisely a revolution against the British master, and June 12 was indeed a revolution against military rule, but if you don't think we are better off ruling ourselves and our democracy despite current hunger, then all I can suggest is you go fill the gaps in your history.

As Samuel Sharpe once said when he revolted, “I would rather die upon yonder gallows than live in slavery".

tctrills:
The British freely gave us our independence. We had zero means of obtaining our independence from them.

tctrills:
As for June 12 1993, it was an election not revolution. Big difference.

tctrills:
Nice philosophy but I don't believe in doing things that don't work.

tctrills:
According to you, man should revolt against his God. But I ask, to what point?

tctrills:
There are better ways to improve society, ways that actually work. There is no science behind a revolution. It's just a careless act with an undetermined outcome.
Mary Slessor did not stop the killing of twins via revolution.
Martin Luther king Jr did not lead a revolution.
Apartheid in South Africa did not end because of revolution.
Slavery was not abolished via revolution.

budaatum:
I guess you wouldn't do anything then, since you have no guarantee anything you do will work until you do the thing and find out.


The wise Igbos will tell you that if they say yes and their Chi does not say yes with them, they will get another Chi.

No, I am not telling you to revolt against your God. What I am telling you is that no god should threaten you with death if you nourish yourself with knowledge, and any god who tells you to remain naked and enslaved and ignorant should be revolted against.

Go study Jesus Christ. His entire teachings can be summed up as "eat the fruits of knowledge so that you can free yourself". Unfortunately, most listen to their pastors instead who enslave you into tithing.


You obviously don't know what a revolution is, and likely think it means fighting and killing, despite telling you that democracy is a peaceful way of revolting that was introduced to avoid revolting by fighting and killing.

Take Martin Luther King Jr, and Gandhi. What they did was precisely a peaceful revolution against the status quo, which did result in positive change. And Apartheid would not have ended if the entire world had not joined in to revolt against white minority rule.

budaatum:
The Glorious Revolution is the sequence of events that led to the deposition of James II and VII in November 1688. He was replaced by his daughter Mary II and her Dutch husband, William III of Orange, who was also his nephew. The two ruled as joint monarchs of England, Scotland, and Ireland until Mary's death in 1694. The Revolution itself was relatively bloodless, but pro-Stuart revolts between 1689 and 1746 caused significant casualties, while the political movement known as Jacobitism persisted into the late 18th century. William's invasion was the last successful invasion of England.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution

tctrills:
Martin Luther king Jr did not revolt sir. Even if I don't know the meaning of revolution as you claim, we can always look into a dictionary.
They did not revolt against the status quo. They used other means of change.
Again, elections and revolution are not the same thing.
Please let's base our discussion on the dictionary. No need to extend the meaning of revolution or to revolt. Martin Luther king Jr never revolted against the American government.

budaatum:
A dictionary will not sufficiently educate you. Please read.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution

tctrills:
Let's hold on to your definition. This means every coup is in fact a revolution.

tctrills:
Could you and I together look back for just the last 100 years. You point out all the good revolutions and I will point out those with negative consequences.
How about that?

budaatum:
No it does not mean that! A coup is not an uprising of the common citizens of a nation.


That would be rather pointless since you don't seem to know what a revolution is or even what can be accepted as positive or negative consequences. All the same, I present intelligent use her mind Eve revolting against the ignorant rubbish stupid Adam told her.

Not many would settle for their current oppression for fear that revolting against it would be worse for them. Some of us would rather die free people than live as slaves.

tctrills:
Sir by your definition, a coup is definitely a revolution.

budaatum:
I hope you realise that others may read what I posted and come to a different conclusion to the one you've come to.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution