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finallybusy:
One man, three accounts. Guy, you need professional help or spiritual deliverance.

What you you mean by one account, three accounts?

TenQ:
This is why you will perish in your stubborn but willful ignorance!

You won't be the one to determine that!
Many people never believed in Jesus's death and will enter paradise!

AntiChristian:
You won't be the one to determine that!
Many people never believed in Jesus's death and will enter paradise!

Fool yourself.
The sacrifice of Christ was for those who had long been dead before Him and those after. You can choose to stubbornly believe a lie, it's your choice: just like I am obligated to speak the truth to you (even if you will hate me for it) but Inwill not be guilty of not explaining the plan of salvation to you

John 5:43:
"I have come in the name of My Father. You do not receive Me. If another person comes in his own name, you will receive him."

Of course, Mohammed perfectly fit into this scripture.

Quran 19:71
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمٗا مَّقۡضِيّٗا
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Only within the fire you will realize that Allah has mislead you exactly like Iblis.
Did Allah not mislead Iblis into committing sin?

TenQ:
Fool yourself.
The sacrifice of Christ was for those who had long been dead before Him and those after. You can choose to stubbornly believe a lie, it's your choice: just like I am obligated to speak the truth to you (even if you will hate me for it) but Inwill not be guilty of not explaining the plan of salvation to you

John 5:43:
"I have come in the name of My Father. You do not receive Me. If another person comes in his own name, you will receive him."

Of course, Mohammed perfectly fit into this scripture.

Quran 19:71
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمٗا مَّقۡضِيّٗا
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Only within the fire you will realize that Allah has mislead you exactly like Iblis.
Did Allah not mislead Iblis into committing sin?

One verse without context!
Foolishness!

AntiChristian:
One verse without context!
Foolishness!

What is the context of Quran 19:71-72: except you want to manufacture a new meaning for it.

Is the words of Allah not clear again in Arabic?

YOUR IMAGINATION.


ORISA37
JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION ❓
WHO ROBBED PETER TO PAY PAUL?

TenQ:
What is the context of Quran 19:71-72: except you want to manufacture a new meaning for it.

Is the words of Allah not clear again in Arabic?

Verses have contexts don't they!
What's the context?

AntiChristian:
Verses have contexts don't they!
What's the context?

What I can see is this
1. Allah decree that Every Muslim must enter hell fire as it is inevitable
2. Later, Allah will now remove you Muslims from the fire and leave the evil doers on their knees without redemption from the fire
3. Allah was silent on the time duration you will spend in hell fire before he removes you.


Have I said anything out of context?
If I have, let me know what I said out of context.

TenQ:
What I can see is this
1. Allah decree that Every Muslim must enter hell fire as it is inevitable
2. Later, Allah will now remove you Muslims from the fire and leave the evil doers on their knees without redemption from the fire
3. Allah was silent on the time duration you will spend in hell fire before he removes you.


Have I said anything out of context?
If I have, let me know what I said out of context.

k.

AntiChristian:
k.

Suddenly went dumb as the Truth that will set you free is bitter and you don't want it

TenQ:
Suddenly went dumb as the Truth that will set you free is bitter and you don't want it

K.

AntiChristian:
K.

K. K. K.
Confounded as usual

AntiChristian:
Of course Jesus forgot to tell his anyone directly that they must believe he died for their sins to be saved!

Jesus preached to his disciples, to crowds (sometimes in thousands, don't bother who did the head count), to Pharisees and Religious Leaders, to Sinners and Tax Collectors, to Jews in synagogues and other Jewish settings and Gentiles (e.g. the Samaritan woman).

Never for once did he tell anyone they have to believe in his death to be saved!

But then Paul happened!

Romans 10:8-12
But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: that if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are justified, and with your mouth you confess and are saved. It is just as the Scripture says: “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.”

Paul as usual misquoting Devarim 30:14 totally out of context!
But the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may obey it.

Where can we find “Anyone who believes in Him will never be put to shame.” in the scriptures?

Definitely not Isaiah 28:16
So this is what the Sovereign LORD says: “See, I lay a stone in Zion, a tested stone, a precious cornerstone for a sure foundation; the one who relies on it will never be stricken with panic. Isaiah 28:16

Back to where we diverted from, Jesus never told anyone to believe he's gonna die to save the world!
Paul did!
The Nicaea Creed did!

We believe in one God,
the Father almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all things visible and invisible.

And in one Lord Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
begotten from the Father before all ages,
God from God,
Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made;
of the same essence as the Father.
Through him all things were made.
For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven;
he became incarnate by the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary,
and was made human.
He was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered and was buried.
The third day he rose again, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again with glory
to judge the living and the dead.
His kingdom will never end.

Very intelligent as usual but the answers you seek are very simple.
There is a reason why the bible is from Genesis to Revelation and not from Matthew to John.
As Christians, we know that the words of Christ and his Apostle are one.
It's the same spirit that gives them utterance.
So if you did not hear it directly from Jesus Christ but you heard it from his Apostles, you don't need to doubt.
This is the word of Christ to his Apostles.
John 14:26
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Also read
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Finally, if you believe the words of Christ, you will believe the words of his Apostles. Your only problem is that you don't believe him when he tells you that he is the Son of God.
You are actually not doing badly. Your only problem is that you are trying to experience the bible as you do the Quran but there is a very big difference. While the Quran begins and ends with the "revelations" of Mohamed, the bible continues after Jesus went to heaven.

Lawag3:
The words of Jesus in John 3:16-18


For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that who ever believe in him shall not perish but have everlasting life.


For he sent his son not to codemn the world but save the world.


He that believeth on him is not condemned but he that believeth not is condemned already ( anti Christian you're condemned already) because he had not believe in the name of the son of God.

Did you know that there is a lie in that verse
Because David was also called only begotten son
Also isreal are also begotten son
ASLO Abraham

Expanse2020:
Did you know that there is a lie in that verse
Because David was also called only begotten son
Also isreal are also begotten son
ASLO Abraham

Jesse is the father of David!
Terah is the Father of Abraham!
Isaac is the Father of Israel!
Israel is also a Nation!

Only Donkeys wouldn't know what a figurative expression is.

Only Jesus is both uniquely both Figuratively a Son and Literally a son.

TenQ:
Jesse is the father of David!
Terah is the Father of Abraham!
Isaac is the Father of Israel!
Israel is also a Nation!

Only Donkeys wouldn't know what a figurative expression is.[/b]

Only Jesus is both uniquely both Figuratively a Son and Literally a son.

Mumu you where in the bible did the bible said Jesus is only unique son of God

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of[b] Adam, which was the son of God.” [/b](Luke 3:38).
David was even a biggotten son before Jesus..,😱Jesus

Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

What about isreal, Abraham ASLO and what about the two sons of God that came to earth to have sex actually Funimation in the bible with beautiful daughters of men ....
So Jesus was not only the begotten son and not only son of God he has plenty senior brothers self

TenQ:
Jesse is the father of David!
Terah is the Father of Abraham!
Isaac is the Father of Israel!
Israel is also a Nation!

Only Donkeys wouldn't know what a figurative expression is.[/b]

Only Jesus is both uniquely both Figuratively a Son and Literally a son.

Mumu you where in the bible did the bible said Jesus is only unique son of God

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of[b] Adam, which was the son of God.” [/b](Luke 3:38).
David was even a biggotten son before Jesus..,😱Jesus

Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

What about isreal, Abraham ASLO and what about the two sons of God that came to earth to have sex actually Funimation in the bible with beautiful daughters of men ....
So Jesus was not only the begotten son and not only son of God he has plenty senior brothers self

You call Jesus son of God and Bible call him son of David in dide occasion..who they lied among you

Mark 10:47
And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out and say, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!

Expanse2020:
Mumu you where in the bible did the bible said Jesus is only unique son of God

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of[b] Adam, which was the son of God.” [/b](Luke 3:38).
David was even a biggotten son before Jesus..,😱Jesus

Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.”

What about isreal, Abraham ASLO and what about the two sons of God that came to earth to have sex actually Funimation in the bible with beautiful daughters of men ....
So Jesus was not only the begotten son and not only son of God he has plenty senior brothers self

You call Jesus son of God and Bible call him son of David in dide occasion..who they lied among you

Mark 10:47
And when he heard that it was Jesus of Nazareth, he began to cry out and say, “Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!

See simple comprehension of what is plain but of course, you are dull in understanding.

Is the statement of God literal or figurative?

You will need to defend whatever position you take o!


Are you also not the son of your father and the son of Adam?
Is this a contradiction?


For Jesus is both son of God and son of man! This is why he is called son of David!
The Messiah must come through David.

TenQ:
See simple comprehension of what is plain but of course, you are dull in understanding.

Is the statement of God literal or figurative?

You will need to defend whatever position you take o!


Are you also not the son of your father and the son of Adam?
Is this a contradiction?


For Jesus is both son of God and son of man! This is why he is called son of David!
The Messiah must come through David.

Did he have a human father to be called son of David 🤣🤣🤣
And the David was also a biggotten son perhaps they are even brother not father and son

Expanse2020:
Did he have a human father to be called son of David 🤣🤣🤣
And the David was also a biggotten son perhaps they are even brother not father and son

Because Mary was a descendant of David from the tribe of Judah.

Can you quote where David was called a begotten son? You seem to be confused!

TenQ:
Because Mary was a descendant of David from the tribe of Judah.

Can you quote where David was called a begotten son?

You seem to be confused!

Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
” David was also a begotten son.. which making brother to Jesus not father .. and in Israel it is man that claimed child not woman so why will you attributes it to son of David when he doesn't have father

Expanse2020:
Psalms 2:7 we find “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
” David was also a begotten son.. which making brother to Jesus not father .. and in Israel it is man that claimed child not woman so why will you attributes it to son of David when he doesn't have father

Did you bother to check that David was writing about the Messiah and not about himself?

Psalm 2:1-12
1 Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.”

7 “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

SMH!

TenQ:
Did you bother to check that David was writing about the Messiah and not about himself?

Psalm 2:1-12
1 Why do the nations rage, And the people plot a vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves, And the rulers take counsel together, Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath, And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have set My King On My holy hill of Zion.”

7 “I will declare the decree: The Lord has said to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You The nations for Your inheritance, And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
9 You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

10 Now therefore, be wise, O kings; Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
11 Serve the Lord with fear, And rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, And you perish in the way, When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

SMH!

You need to go back to school if simple English you can't understand...we can't help it..

Expanse2020:
You need to go back to school if simple English you can't understand...we can't help it..

So, your English is so superb to understand falsehood.

This is why I posted the whole chapter for you to read the Psalm of David to judge.

Too bad, Islamic dawa breaks down

TenQ:
So, your English is so superb to understand falsehood.

This is why I posted the whole chapter for you to read the Psalm of David to judge.

Too bad, Islamic dawa breaks down

You need to work on how you read and digest the sentence you read after you see a clearer message in the passage you will still argue blantly

Expanse2020:
You need to work on how you read and digest the sentence you read after you see a clearer message in the passage you will still argue blantly

Why is it that over 90% of your hadiths are plain falsehood?

TenQ:
Why is it that over 90% of your hadiths are plain falsehood?

which hadith is falsehood...it is not like your comic book you carried up and down
🤣🤣🤣🤣

Expanse2020:
which hadith is falsehood...it is not like your comic book you carried up and down
🤣🤣🤣🤣

Is it untrue that many of your Hadiths are called Maudu and Daif?

TenQ:
Is it untrue that many of your Hadiths are called Maudu and Daif?

Maudu and Daif?[ What is this🤣🤣🤣🤣 please call it properly
And hadiths is not like the comical book
Where Abraham hide from God in small garden and cannot find him
Where is Israel wrestle with God and win God
Where David wrestle with God break his leg and win God 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Expanse2020:
Maudu and Daif?[ What is this🤣🤣🤣🤣 please call it properly
And hadiths is not like the comical book
Where Abraham hide from God in small garden and cannot find him
Where is Israel wrestle with God and win God
Where David wrestle with God break his leg and win God 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Unfortunately for you , you seem to be more educated and knowledgeable that both your prophet and Allah combined as they hold a different opinion from you.

Congratulations!

Expanse2020:
Did you know that there is a lie in that verse
Because David was also called only begotten son
Also isreal are also begotten son
ASLO Abraham

Show me where the Bible calls David Abraham and Israel only begotten son.

I'm waiting

tctrills:
Very intelligent as usual but the answers you seek are very simple.
There is a reason why the bible is from Genesis to Revelation and not from Matthew to John.

Actually we all know the Bible was not a project that was planned to be in the first place! I mean it was not a thought out plan.

As Christians, we know that the words of Christ and his Apostle are one.
It's the same spirit that gives them utterance.
So if you did not hear it directly from Jesus Christ but you heard it from his Apostles, you don't need to doubt.
This is the word of Christ to his Apostles.
John 14:26

Who are the apostles? Was Paul an apostle? How come one who never met Jesus later wrote more that all the apostles that met Jesus in real time? Also Luke and Mark never met Jesus. And why is it that some letters of Paul were in circulation at closely the same time as Mark? Luke and Matthew came later while John was very much later!

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

He shall teach you ALL things, so what has HE taught you all for the last 2000 years?

Also read
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

Lovely verse but the scripture is not for salvation! Many Christians in the first and second centuries only made do with the old testament! They never know anything like the New Testament.

Finally, if you believe the words of Christ, you will believe the words of his Apostles. Your only problem is that you don't believe him when he tells you that he is the Son of God.
You are actually not doing badly. Your only problem is that you are trying to experience the bible as you do the Quran but there is a very big difference. While the Quran begins and ends with the "revelations" of Mohamed, the bible continues after Jesus went to heaven.

Actually Jesus did forget to tell you guys plainly you need to believe in his death to be saved!

I can't believe God can have sons. This is like those Greek gods Apollos, etc. How does God have sons? Begotten reproduction of sex or adoption? Or can it be asexual reproduction?

Revelation should stop when the messenger is no more!
When Moses died who can add to the Torah?
When David died who can add to the Psalms?
Na only New Testament get continuation...since it was not a plan from God!