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What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by Steep: 10:08am On Mar 18, 2022
1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

14:36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

First of all, This letter was to address orderliness in all christian churches. So Paul is not just addressing a local church but all the churches.
However, did Paul mean women can not speak in the church?
No!
"Speaking" in this context means speaking as to disrupt the service.

These women were simply being unruly and uncontrollable, so Paul commanded them not to speak by rather they should learn from their husbands at home.

The church is an orderly place, even speaking in tongues without interpretation in the church is disorderlines.
One may have knowledge, or gift but we must respect the order of God both in our lives and in the Church.
Nothing should be done out of vain glory or self exaltation.
Re: What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by petra1(m): 10:22am On Mar 18, 2022
Steep:
1.

14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. .

very clear from the above verse they were disturbing the service by talking and asking many questions
Re: What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by SeraphEl: 11:37am On Mar 18, 2022
Op,

While Apostle Paul, admonition may have been instruction for churches beyond the local church at that point in time. However, today in most civilised regions, people or say women do not become disruptive in services any longer.

This instruction would also apply if it were the men who were being unruly in service.

It was addressed to women specifically because it turns out in the culture and at the time period, women were very influenced by goddess worship and eminence of women which enabled or emboldened women then to speak mostly out of cheer ignorance of scriptures and perhaps the need to assert dominance on men.

Possibly can be compared to the extreme feminist movements if exercised in church for today’s culture. THEN, would Pauls instruction apply for today.

But, nothing wrong with women in orderly and in good knowledge speak up in church; especially if called by GOD to such.
Re: What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:39pm On Mar 18, 2022
1) The Temple of The Lord (Church) was to be administered by Aaron and his sons Forever! Exodus 27:21, chapter 28:1 and 43 (And not Aaron and his children or Aaron and his sons and daughters" )

2) The Law of Sabbath in Exodus 20:10 wives (women) were impliedly exempted. (This should tell you something)

3) "Three times in the year, all males are to appear before The Lord" Exodus 23:17 (Clearly, women are not allowed to come directly near God).
Re: What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by SeraphEl: 4:48pm On Mar 18, 2022
YOU think you are clever with this inference or extrapolation of Levitical Priests and the physical Tabernacle to today's Church and Pastoriship. First of all, we are in the NEW COVENANT and the Old Covenant Tabernacle and its priests no longer apply.

Now, to answer a folly (YOU) according to your folly lest you be wise in your own eyes (Proverbs 26:4-5)--->

Going by your unbiblical logic, THEN, ALL pastors and all ministers of GOD NEED TO BE OF LEVITICAL LINEAGE IE; OF THE TRIBE OF LEVI OR SONS OF AARON. See Deut 18:1, Hebrews 7:5.

Pray tell, HOW MANY ACTUAL DECENDANTS OF LEVI OR AARON DO YOU KNOW OF TODAY? Talkless of pastors of Aaronic lineage.

IS YOUR PASTOR OF LEVITICAL OR AARONIC LINEAGE? IF NOT, THEN CONSIDER HIM FRAUD, per your logic.





Dtruthspeaker:
1) The Temple of The Lord (Church) was to be administered by Aaron and his sons Forever! Exodus 27:21, chapter 28:1 and 43 (And not Aaron and his children or Aaron and his sons and daughters" )

2) The Law of Sabbath in Exodus 20:10 wives (women) were impliedly exempted. (This should tell you something)

3) "Three times in the year, all males are to appear before The Lord" Exodus 23:17 (Clearly, women are not allowed to come directly near God).
Re: What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by SeraphEl: 5:02pm On Mar 18, 2022
Dtruthspeaker:
1) The Temple of The Lord (Church) was to be administered by Aaron and his sons Forever! Exodus 27:21, chapter 28:1 and 43 (And not Aaron and his children or Aaron and his sons and daughters" )

2) The Law of Sabbath in Exodus 20:10 wives (women) were impliedly exempted. (This should tell you something)

3) "Three times in the year, all males are to appear before The Lord" Exodus 23:17 (Clearly, women are not allowed to come directly near God).

Now, onto dismantling your twisting of God's word.....I bet you did not imagine someone would take the time to check your scripture usage.

Exodus 20: 10 (?)- says nothing about extempting women from anything. Which bible are you reading from?

Exodus 23:17: men were the ones to present before God with sacrificial offerings for their families (wives, children). SEE Deut. 16:16 for contexts. So, if women came to offer scarifices as well, THEN, who would care for their children and household? Making pilgrimage to participate in sacrifices was NOT an easy journey or feat. You want the entire household/menfolk to drag their many wives and many children to make pilgrimage to sacrifice unto the LORD. Are you joking? Remember, there were no plane flights, ubers, trains, ships, and cars etc. Just their two feet.

Deutronomy 16:16 Three times in a year shall all thy males appear before the Lord thy God in the place which he shall choose; in the feast of unleavened bread, and in the feast of weeks, and in the feast of tabernacles: and they shall not appear before the Lord empty:


THESE PASSAGES YOU OUTLINED SAY NOTHING ABOUT ONLY MEN BEING IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD. DON'T TWIST GOD'S WORD TO YOUR DETRIMENT.
Re: What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by Steep: 6:59pm On Mar 18, 2022
SeraphEl:
Op,

While Apostle Paul, admonition may have been instruction for churches beyond the local church at that point in time. However, today in most civilised regions, people or say women do not become disruptive in services any longer.

This instruction would also apply if it were the men who were being unruly in service.

It was addressed to women specifically because it turns out in the culture and at the time period, women were very influenced by goddess worship and eminence of women which enabled or emboldened women then to speak mostly out of cheer ignorance of scriptures and perhaps the need to assert dominance on men.

Possibly can be compared to the extreme feminist movements if exercised in church for today’s culture. THEN, would Pauls instruction apply for today.

But, nothing wrong with women in orderly and in good knowledge speak up in church; especially if called by GOD to such.
Of course women can speak but the manner of speaking makes the difference.
Well there is nothing like 'extreme feminism'.

The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation not any worldly ideology.

You want there to be change in the world preach christ.
1 Corinthians 1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
Re: What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:41am On Mar 19, 2022
MaxInDHouse:

Preaching from house to house was assigned to all disciples of Christ but when it comes to those taking the lead among his disciples it's strictly men's affairs. 1Corinthians 11:3
That's what Apostle Paul is saying.

Many religious groups claiming Christians have condemned Paul's admonition on this but it should be noted that if you're not an Israelite Jesus (Christ) has no direct business with you! Matthew 10:6; 15:24
Jesus' mission on planet earth is to organize the Jews so that God's people may serve the purpose He (God) foretold about Abraham's descendants {Genesis 12:1-3} after the commissioning of Christianity believing Jews will take the gospel to other nations so that we may hold unto them for our own Salvation! Zechariah 8:23
So after commissioning Christianity Jesus told his Jewish disciples that their assigned territory begins from Samaria (Northern Kingdom of Israel) then to other nations of the earth! Act 1:8
But none of his disciples is vast in the laws so after noticing Saul (Paul) who so much love God's law Jesus chose this man to champion the mission to other nations! Act 9:15
So without Apostle Paul's mission Jesus had no business with you if you're not an Israelite.
God bless you and may you have PEACE! smiley
Re: What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:30am On Mar 19, 2022
SeraphEl:

Now, onto dismantling your twisting of God's word.....I bet you did not imagine someone would take the time to check your scripture usage...

Exodus 23:17: men were the ones to present before God with sacrificial offerings for their families

THESE PASSAGES YOU OUTLINED SAY NOTHING ABOUT ONLY MEN BEING IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD. DON'T TWIST GOD'S WORD TO YOUR DETRIMENT.

You think I twisted it? Re- View it again. I said

1) The Temple of The Lord (Church) was to be administered by Aaron and his sons Forever! Exodus 27:21, chapter 28:1 and 43 (And not Aaron and his children or Aaron and his sons and daughters" )

Definitely, you see that Mrs Aaron and Aaron's daughters are excluded or let me put it this way, "Mrs Aaron and Aaron's daughters are not included." (For surely, for where there is Aaron's sons, there must be Aaron's wife) and are these not women been put away by God?.

AND YOU DID NOT ATTACK THIS ONE, MEANING, THIS ONE IS SETTLED.

2) I said Exodus 20:10 (The Law of Sabbath) EXCLUDED WIVES.

Wives are generally fully grown women. THE LAW CALLS EVERY OTHER PERSON IN A MANS HOUSE,
1) the man "thou"
2) his wife his son
3) his daughter
4) his servants
5)even the animals made the list

BUT NOT THE WIFE!

3) if as you said
SeraphEl:
Exodus 23:17: [b]men were the ones to present before God [/b]with sacrificial offerings for their families...

HAVE YOU NOT PROVEN MY CASE? cheesy

EVEN YOU PROVE THE TRUTH OF WHAT I SAID! cheesy
Re: What Does Paul Mean By "Your Women Should not speak in the Churches"? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:55am On Mar 19, 2022
SeraphEl:
YOU think you are clever with this inference or extrapolation of Levitical Priests and the physical Tabernacle to today's Church and Pastoriship. First of all, we are in the NEW COVENANT and the Old Covenant Tabernacle and its priests no longer apply.

Wrong! But if you think you can validly stand, RAISE UP A THREAD AND MENTION ME. ILL MEET YOU THERE.

So back to your answer "First of all, we are in the NEW COVENANT and the Old Covenant Tabernacle... ", As I said, YOU ARE WRONG, AND Revelation 2:20 CUTS YOU DOWN.

" ...I HAVE a few THINGS AGAINST THEE, Thou Sufferest THAT WOMAN, Jezebel, to Call herself Prophetess, (Pastoress, priestess or whatever name) TO TEACH..."

SeraphEl:
...Going by your unbiblical logic, THEN, ALL pastors and all ministers of GOD NEED TO BE OF LEVITICAL LINEAGE IE; OF THE TRIBE OF LEVI OR SONS OF AARON. See Deut 18:1, Hebrews 7:5.

Sorry, Invalid Argument! This is what is called "CHANGE OF POST".

The issue is about "Does The Law permit WOMEN to preach?" And not whether "Nigerian born men or Afghanistan born male minister is allowed by Law to preach".

So, you do not validly stand here!

So, find another place to stand, if you can validly stand there.

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