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Re: Who Told Matthew? by AbuTwins(op): 5:25pm On Jun 08, 2024
advocatejare:
You were very quick to give us the definition of a Muslim, will it not be honorable of you to show us your reference from your Quran or Hadith?

Kindly show it as a direct sentence from any of those books and not the opinions of the translators or fabricators!
Abeg No need to respond if you are not in this thread!
Re: Who Told Matthew? by AbuTwins(op): 5:25pm On Jun 08, 2024
Kobojunkie:
Of course,it is mumbo jumbo to one whose only exposure to the contents and facts regarding Scripture come only from close-minded religious scope such as that which you have displayed throughout this thread and many others. 😀😀😀😀😀

Jesus Christ wasn't fooling around when He said one had to be open minded, like a child, if one is to infact see what the facts contained in Scripture which is where all the answers i gave you are taken from.😁😁😁😁
Abeg who told Matthew the Magi tori?
Re: Who Told Matthew? by advocatejare(m): 8:45pm On Jun 08, 2024
AbuTwins:
Abeg No need to respond if you are not in this thread!
Look at how you failed a simple test, you lied about the definition of what a Muslim mean, to provide a simple proof of your definition, you fall yakata.

Tell us where the Quran or Hadith states that a Muslim is one who submit to Allah!
Re: Who Told Matthew? by AbuTwins(op): 12:21am On Jun 09, 2024
advocatejare:
Look at how you failed a simple test, you lied about the definition of what a Muslim mean, to provide a simple proof of your definition, you fall yakata.

Tell us where the Quran or Hadith states that a Muslim is one who submit to Allah!
K.
Re: Who Told Matthew? by advocatejare(m): 11:10am On Jun 09, 2024
AbuTwins:
K.
Give reference to your deceptive definition of a Muslim. Stop posting false information on nairaland, you are breaking one of the rules (rule cool!
Re: Who Told Matthew? by SIRTee15: 1:59pm On Jun 09, 2024
AbuTwins:
Abeg who told Matthew the Magi tori?
Mary, James the just and other Jesus family. read about oral gospel.
The gospels are not biography of Jesus. They are scriptures written by authors who gave an account of Jesus life as regard specific theology to targeted audience. They were not bound to write everything they knew about Jesus if it doesnt meet their theology cause.

Mathew wrote to Jewish Christians who felt Jesus was a just the son of a carpenter, he needed to emphasis Jesus is the spoken Messiah right from birth who fulfilled the scriptures.
Mark was writing to gentile Christians who were already familiar with the oral gospel that details the divinity of Jesus. They wanted to know more about his life as son of Man- humanity.
Re: Who Told Matthew? by Expanse2020(m): 2:46pm On Jun 09, 2024
AbuTwins:
If you submit as required you'll be a Muslim! You can't be a Prophet!

Are you speaking in tongues?


Mention the sages please?
Mention the existing scriptures he copied especially for many teachings not anywhere in the Bible?
He copied Matthew, mark, and Paul🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 and song of Solomon
They can't to ayat similar to a verse in the bible but they will argue he copied..
Which one of the books he copied self?
Is it the 66, 62, or 88 books
Re: Who Told Matthew? by AbuTwins(op): 12:37pm On Jun 10, 2024
SIRTee15:
Mary, James the just and other Jesus family. read about oral gospel.
The gospels are not biography of Jesus. They are scriptures written by authors who gave an account of Jesus life as regard specific theology to targeted audience. They were not bound to write everything they knew about Jesus if it doesnt meet their theology cause.

Mathew wrote to Jewish Christians who felt Jesus was a just the son of a carpenter, he needed to emphasis Jesus is the spoken Messiah right from birth who fulfilled the scriptures.
Mark was writing to gentile Christians who were already familiar with the oral gospel that details the divinity of Jesus. They wanted to know more about his life as son of Man- humanity.
So each writer has a preconceived notion of what he wants to write and what his writing should achieve!
Thank you!
Re: Who Told Matthew? by SIRTee15: 1:30pm On Jun 10, 2024
AbuTwins:
So each writer has a preconceived notion of what he wants to write and what his writing should achieve!
Thank you!
There was quality control to ensure bias ideology didn't find it's way into the gospel text.
That's why I told U to go and read about oral gospel which predate written gospel.

If what is written contradicts the gospel that was recited in churches, the text is rejected.
Re: Who Told Matthew? by Maynman: 1:34pm On Jun 10, 2024
SIRTee15:
There was quality control to ensure bias ideology didn't find it's way into the gospel text.
That's why I told U to go and read about oral gospel which predate written gospel.

If what is written contradicts the gospel that was recited in churches, the text is rejected.
so the oral gospel was told in which language?
Re: Who Told Matthew? by AbuTwins(op): 2:35pm On Jun 10, 2024
SIRTee15:
There was quality control to ensure bias ideology didn't find it's way into the gospel text.
That's why I told U to go and read about oral gospel which predate written gospel.

If what is written contradicts the gospel that was recited in churches, the text is rejected.
What oral Gospel?

In what language was the oral Gospel transmitted?
Who controls it?
How can it be traced to Jesus?

Are you saying the oral Gospel survived for about 4 to 8 centuries for the Gospel to be penned down?

- **Mark**: Written around 35-40 years after Jesus's death.
- **Matthew and Luke**: Written around 45-60 years after Jesus's death.
- **John**: Written around 60-80 years after Jesus's death.
Re: Who Told Matthew? by SIRTee15: 8:11pm On Jun 10, 2024
AbuTwins:
What oral Gospel?



In what language was the oral Gospel transmitted?
Who controls it?
How can it be traced to Jesus?

Are you saying the oral Gospel survived for about 4 to 8 centuries for the Gospel to be penned down?

- **Mark**: Written around 35-40 years after Jesus's death.
- **Matthew and Luke**: Written around 45-60 years after Jesus's death.
- **John**: Written around 60-80 years after Jesus's death.
The oral gospel was the logia of Jesus alongside his life deeds recited by the disciples of Jesus. They were called creed because the oral gospel was called declaration of faith.
It was originally recited in aramaic and later in greek when gentiles started converting to Christianity.
The oral gospel was started by the apostles themselves. read 1 Corinthians 8

What do u mean the written gospel was 4 to 8 centuries? That gospel was written 800yrs after death of Jesus? Olodo

All gospel were written in the Lifetime of the apostles and people who saw Jesus.
They verified what was written was true.

Re: Who Told Matthew? by AbuTwins(op): 5:36am On Jun 11, 2024
SIRTee15:
The oral gospel was the logia of Jesus alongside his life deeds recited by the disciples of Jesus. They were called creed because the oral gospel was called declaration of faith.
It was originally recited in aramaic and later in greek when gentiles started converting to Christianity.
The oral gospel was started by the apostles themselves. read 1 Corinthians 8
Where did Jesus himself approve any oral gospel? What does the declaration of faith entails? And we should find it inside Corinthians letter of Paul who didn't meet Jesus in real time?

What do u mean the written gospel was 4 to 8 centuries? That gospel was written 800yrs after death of Jesus? Olodo
I did write the periods for you so you should see that I wanted to write 4 to 8 decades after Jesus's death!

No oral tradition could last that long before been written! Especially the book of John that came about 80years after Jesus.

All gospel were written in the Lifetime of the apostles and people who saw Jesus.
They verified what was written was true.
I have given you the timeline when the gospels were written! 4-8 decades Decades after Jesus's early mission!

No memory could survive that long!
Re: Who Told Matthew? by Maynman: 8:47am On Jun 11, 2024
SIRTee15:
[/b] They were called creed because the oral gospel was called declaration of faith.
It was originally recited in aramaic and later in greek when gentiles started converting to Christianity.
It was recited in Aramaic and written in Greek for who? Should they not write in Aramaic first where Jesus followers are much 😂
Who translated the recitation from Aramaic into Greek?
Re: Who Told Matthew? by Maynman: 8:50am On Jun 11, 2024
SIRTee15:
The oral gospel was started by the apostles themselves. read 1 Corinthians 8
Which exact verse in 1 Corinthian 8.

Well, this is bullshit though, If you have read the book of John you will see where the disciple whom Jesus loved was writing things down.

Re: Who Told Matthew? by SIRTee15: 4:10pm On Jun 11, 2024
AbuTwins:
Where did Jesus himself approve any oral gospel? What does the declaration of faith entails?
Jesus' own words to this disciples....


And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Truly I tell you, wherever this gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”




Jesus did tell his apostles to spread the gospel by words.

AbuTwins:
And we should find it inside Corinthians letter of Paul who didn't meet Jesus in real time?
So we should ignore Paul who saw the Lord Jesus in a vision but accept the tales of Muhammed who equally received his revelation in visions. It's like U Muslims don't think b4 writing.

AbuTwins:
I did write the periods for you so you should see that I wanted to write 4 to 8 decades after Jesus's death!
How did U know they were written 8 decades after Jesus. How did you come to such conclusion? Based on what?

I already told there was oral gospel which was recited and transmitted and taught to new converts in the early church.

They were later written down during the lifetime of the apostles of Jesus when the oral gospel was alive.
The oral gospel and eye witness account were quality control to written gospel.
That's why the gospels were initially called ' memoirs of the apostle'.
Pls check the meaning of memoir b4 replying me.

AbuTwins:
No oral tradition could last that long before been written! Especially the book of John that came about 80years after Jesus.
Are U ok? The oral tradition of African traditional religions lasted thousands of years b4 some were written down last century.
The traditional priests memorize over a thousand divination chants and incantations, then it's passed down generations to generations. This tradition has been ongoing for over 1 thousand years b4 any pen or paper appeared on black African soil.
To U guys, it's always Muslim v Christianity. Wake up, there are multiple religions competing against your Islam.
AbuTwins:
I have given you the timeline when the gospels were written! 4-8 decades Decades after Jesus's early mission!
That timeline is wrong!!! That's why I asked U to produce your evidence for the claim.
If U following bible scholars, better find out why they said the gospels were written after 70AD!!!
You are theist not an atheist.

AbuTwins:
No memory could survive that long!
[/quote]Says someone who doesn't know memories in Africa lasted hundreds of yrs via oral transmission of religious divination.
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