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TenQ:
Firstly
Even though you know clearly that
RUH = SPIRIT
and
NAFS = SOUL

You decided to perform a mistranslation by redefining RUH as NAFS which is deceptive. I will prove this by referring to three scriptures

There's nothing like body, Soul and Spirit in Islam! It is Body and Soul/Spirit. So Spirit can also mean soul.

Ruh can also mean Soul according to the context of its usage in the Qur'an!

Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit/Soul, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit/Soul, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit/Soul and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

The argument of creation of the soul/spirit fall down flat: why?
Who is the One Breathing the Spirit? It is Allah's?
Whose Breath? It is Allah's

Allah's breath is what made Adam come to life. That's the created soul for Adam. Same for Jesus! The Spirit/Soul was created for him!

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:17

Is Allah's breathe a creation of Allah or an Attribute of Allah?

It is a creation of Allah!

Its just like saying Allah created his Power!
Does this make sense?
Its just like saying that Allah created his Words!
Does this make sense?

So, also,
Allah's Breath is an attribute of Allah: therefore, uncreated!
Instead of AIR, Allah breath his spirit into Adam.

All is the creator of everything! He created the souls of all things with soul and the soul is from Him. So the soul belongs to Him. Allah gave Adam the soul created for him by the breath! Just as He gave Jesus the soul created for him!

Secondly,
AntiChristian's example of :
"House of Allah", "Friend of Allah", "She-Camel of Allah", "Slaves of Allah", "Messenger of Allah"

NOTE: Everything here is SINGULAR exactly just as SPIRIT is singular.

Is Slaves above singular?

How many Spirits does Allah have?

Allah created many Souls of course! All of them belongs to Him!

Incase AntiChristian does not understand the implication of the problem he has created for Allah,
Jibril is a SPIRIT

Jibril was called a Spirit!

Isa is a SPIRIT

Was created from a soul from Allah!

Allah Breathes his SPIRIT

Same as Genesis 2:17 above! The breath gave Adam the soul created for him!

This negates everything about Allah creating a SPIRIT;

You are only confusing yourself with what is clear!

I will keep quoting the verse below that proves Jesus is a creation of Allah:

She (Mary) said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it is. Qur'an 3:43

"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;" Qur'an 19:30

Let me burst once and for all the SPIRIT=SOUL theory of AntiChristian with these verses. Tell me if they are correct

Ruh can mean many things in Islam. It can mean Jubril. It can mean Soul which is same as spirit.

AntiChristian,
Are these scriptures above correct?
Can you interpret them?

We don't use exact translation of isolated verses as you do the Bible!
We use contextual translation of verses and also a wholistic translation between the verses of the Qur'an!

There is no mention of anything like the breath of Allah anywhere directly!
What Allah did as part of the creation process (i.e. an action) is not His attribute!

AbuTwins:
Where did you get that from?

The question was:
Is the breath of Allah created or it is an Attribute of Allah?

Where did I get it from? It was from your Quran:
Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

So, Is the breath of Allah created or it is an Attribute of Allah?

AbuTwins:
Ruh can also mean Nafs
Then He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him the soul (created by Allah for that person), and He gave you hearing (ears), sight (eyes) and hearts. Little is the thanks you give! (Qur'an 32:9)

Allaah also says concerning Adam (interpretation of the meaning):
“So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves unto him”[Qur'an 15:29]

Nafs=Ruh only when you want to commit fraudulent translations.
Please check the Arabic of Qur'an 15:29 and say if words have not been inserted as a FRAUD to mislead you muslims? This is completely different from the Arabic o!
This is the correct verse
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
WHy do Muslim scholars lie through their noses?

Check these verses and tell me if they are correct
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit SOUL. Say: The Spirit SOUL is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit SOUL, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His spirit SOUL And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.
Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit SOUL into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

From the four verses above, Is the SOUL the same as SPIRIT?

Are these four verses above correct?

AbuTwins:
Angels and Jinns are spiritual beings since humans can't see them in normal circumstances!

1. How can Angels be spiritual when you Muslims deny that Angels are spirits?

AbuTwins:
It has been explained to you up there and you'll keep asking maybe till you die!
The Ruh is the head of the Angels, Gabriel and they will all stand in rows on the last day!
None of them will be able to speak except for whom Allah permits.
This is clear from the verse!

I don't know where you get the breath of Allah from!

The RUH cannot be the Head of Angels because
1. Jibril is NOT the only RUH, Jesus is also RUH
2. In Allah's Breath is the RUH
Therefore except Jibril is the Breath of Allah, the Ruh cannot be the head of Angels


Is Jibril the Breath of Allah?

AntiChristian:
There's nothing like body, Soul and Spirit in Islam! It is Body and Soul/Spirit. So Spirit can also mean soul.

Ruh can also mean Soul according to the context of its usage in the Qur'an!

In other words, are you saying categorically that there is no difference between SOUL(NAFS) and SPIRIT (RUH) in Islam?

Secondly, if NAFS=RUH, then the following four verses of the Quran must be correct.
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the SOUL. Say: The SOUL is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My SOUL, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His SOUL And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.
Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My SOUL into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

The implication of this is that Jibril is the Breath of Allah!

Is Jibril the SOUL of Allah?

AntiChristian:
Allah's breath is what made Adam come to life. That's the created soul for Adam. Same for Jesus! The Spirit/Soul was created for him!

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:17

It is a creation of Allah!

Let me get you clearly:
You are saying that the Breath of Allah is NOT an Attribute of Allah BUT a creation of Allah?

Probably you dont understand the Question
The Power of Allah, the Knowledge of Allah, the Word of Allah ALL come from within Allah, where does the Breath of Allah comes from?

Must you tell lies to defend Allah and Islam?

AntiChristian:
All is the creator of everything! He created the souls of all things with soul and the soul is from Him. So the soul belongs to Him. Allah gave Adam the soul created for him by the breath! Just as He gave Jesus the soul created for him!

This is not the Question:
Does the Breath of Allah come from within Allah or it is external to Allah (making it a creation)?

AntiChristian:
Is Slaves above singular?
Allah created many Souls of course! All of them belongs to Him!

Please show me just one place in the Quran where RUH is plural

AntiChristian:
Jibril was called a Spirit!
Was created from a soul from Allah!
Same as Genesis 2:17 above! The breath gave Adam the soul created for him!

You have to mistranslate the Quran to arrive at this conclusion.

If you are correct, then Jibril is the Breath of Allah!

Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

Please answer this question:
Was Jibril breath into Adam?

AntiChristian:
You are only confusing yourself with what is clear!

I will keep quoting the verse below that proves Jesus is a creation of Allah:

She (Mary) said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me." He said: "So (it will be) for Allah creates what He wills. When He has decreed something, He says to it only: "Be!" and it is. Qur'an 3:43

Unfortunately, neither Adam nor Isa was created by "BE"!
A contradiction by Allah!

AntiChristian:
"He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;" Qur'an 19:30

When did Jesus say this?

AntiChristian:
Ruh can mean many things in Islam. It can mean Jubril. It can mean Soul which is same as spirit.

RUH is singular everywhere in the Quran and I have shown you that RUH means SPIRIT
Even your Scholars, how come they all agree with me

Abu-al-A'la Maududi, Ibn Kathir , Alquran Alkarim , Al-Jalalayn, Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs et al. none of them describe RUH as NAFS.

I challenge you to find me a scholar of repute who uses RUH as NAFS

AntiChristian:
We don't use exact translation of isolated verses as you do the Bible!
We use contextual translation of verses and also a wholistic translation between the verses of the Qur'an!

There is no mention of anything like the breath of Allah anywhere directly!
What Allah did as part of the creation process (i.e. an action) is not His attribute!

You doctor the exact words of Allah to conform to the consensus of your scholars: of course we know that and it is called FRAUD to deceive non Arab speakers!

TenQ:
The question was:
Is the breath of Allah created or it is an Attribute of Allah?

Where did I get it from? It was from your Quran:
Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

So, Is the breath of Allah created or it is an Attribute of Allah?

The phrase "breath of Allah" does not exist in the Qur'an so it is not an attribute of Allah. "She-camel of Allah", "Slaves of Allah", "Messenger of Allah", "House of Allah" and others that exists as a Phrase on their own giving honor to what is attached. Breath of Allah does not exist! It is just an action!

Nafs=Ruh only when you want to commit fraudulent translations.
Please check the Arabic of Qur'an 15:29 and say if words have not been inserted as a FRAUD to mislead you muslims? This is completely different from the Arabic o!
This is the correct verse
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
WHy do Muslim scholars lie through their noses?

Okay! Allah created Adam from dust! Where is the Soul? There is no lie here but you are the one confused with your trinitarian thought process! "My Spirit (Soul)" above is the spirit (Soul) created by Allah!

Check these verses and tell me if they are correct
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit SOUL. Say: The Spirit SOUL is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit SOUL, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His spirit SOUL And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.
Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit SOUL into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

From the four verses above, Is the SOUL the same as SPIRIT?

Are these four verses above correct?

They are correct since Allah created the Spirit/Soul for each of His creations!

1. How can Angels be spiritual when you Muslims deny that Angels are spirits?

Spirits are beings we can't see ordinarily! That's a vague English interpretation!

There are three creations of Allah viz:

Humans- Humans can't see the Jinns and Angel.
Angels - Angels
Jinn -

The RUH cannot be the Head of Angels because
1. Jibril is NOT the only RUH, Jesus is also RUH

Once again Ruh has many meanings in the Quran. Ruh is the essence of life with the Will of Allah, whether in the creation of the first man Adam or the children of Adam in the wombs of their mothers; or reviving the dead by Prophet Jesus, son of Mary, on the command of Allah. Ruh is also a light through which Allah gives guidance to His servants (42:52). Ruh is Allah’s help and support to the true believers (58:22). Ruh is the Grace of Allah (12:87). Ruh is also a reference to angel Gabriel who brought the revelation to Prophet Muhammad (26:193) & (2:87). The common thread in all these meanings is ‘energy’ that Ruh brings wherever Allah directs it to go.

2. In Allah's Breath is the RUH
Therefore except Jibril is the Breath of Allah, the Ruh cannot be the head of Angels

So the breath of Allah that made Adam come to life is standing in the row with Angels in Qur'an 78:38, does this make sense to you?

Is Jibril the Breath of Allah?

I think i quoted the verse that Jubril is the messenger of revelation earlier.
Go back to it!
You will always refer someone to what has been quoted before to you!
And tomorrow you will start again!
What's the point?

AbuTwins:
The phrase "breath of Allah" does not exist in the Qur'an so it is not an attribute of Allah. "She-camel of Allah", "Slaves of Allah", "Messenger of Allah", "House of Allah" and others that exists as a Phrase on their own giving honor to what is attached. Breath of Allah does not exist! It is just an action!

Okay! Allah created Adam from dust! Where is the Soul? There is no lie here but you are the one confused with your trinitarian thought process! "My Spirit (Soul)" above is the spirit (Soul) created by Allah!

They are correct since Allah created the Spirit/Soul for each of His creations!

Spirits are beings we can't see ordinarily! That's a vague English interpretation!

There are three creations of Allah viz:

Humans- Humans can't see the Jinns and Angel.
Angels - Angels
Jinn -





So the breath of Allah that made Adam come to life is standing in the row with Angels in Qur'an 78:38, does this make sense to you?



I think i quoted the verse that Jubril is the messenger of revelation earlier.
Go back to it!
You will always refer someone to what has been quoted before to you!
And tomorrow you will start again!
What's the point?

No mind the guy!
Na continous argument he enjoys!

He will keep asking what you've answered again and again!
Then he'll move to a whole new question!

AntiChristian:
No mind the guy!
Na continous argument he enjoys!

He will keep asking what you've answered again and again!
Then he'll move to a whole new question!

I am not like you Muslims who swallow ANYTHING you are given whether it makes sense or not .

In your attempts to misinterpret the Qur'an so that it will say exactly what you want it to say.

When people tell lies, they need more lies to keep it up.

Now, we see that even with your lies, you don't have an answer to basic questions.

Is Jibril the Breath of Allah?
Is "The Angels and the Spirit standing in rows" Jibril or Jesus?

Just say you have no answers to simple basic questions!

AbuTwins:
The phrase "breath of Allah" does not exist in the Qur'an so it is not an attribute of Allah. "She-camel of Allah", "Slaves of Allah", "Messenger of Allah", "House of Allah" and others that exists as a Phrase on their own giving honor to what is attached. Breath of Allah does not exist! It is just an action!

If you check these verses, the RUH is singular. Allah does not have different SPIRITS to breath into people.
Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit, then fall down to him prostrating.
Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give

What is Allah breathing into Adam?

AbuTwins:
Okay! Allah created Adam from dust! Where is the Soul? There is no lie here but you are the one confused with your trinitarian thought process! "My Spirit (Soul)" above is the spirit (Soul) created by Allah!

Allah blew his SOUL into Adam!?

AbuTwins:
They are correct since Allah created the Spirit/Soul for each of His creations!

So , you correct the words of Allah to mean
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the SOUL. Say: The SOUL is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My the spirit SOUL, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”
Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His the spirit SOUL And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.
Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My the spirit SOUL into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

It seems Allah did not know what he was saying, hence it is the duty of Muslims to re-explain it!

AbuTwins:
Spirits are beings we can't see ordinarily! That's a vague English interpretation!

So, you now admit that Angels are Ruh?

AbuTwins:
There are three creations of Allah viz:

Humans- Humans can't see the Jinns and Angel.
Angels - Angels
Jinn -




[quote author=AbuTwins post=130586888]So the breath of Allah that made Adam come to life is standing in the row with Angels in Qur'an 78:38, does this make sense to you?

Why not Isa: at least Isa is also a spirit?
What is your evidence that it is not Isa?

AbuTwins:
I think i quoted the verse that Jubril is the messenger of revelation earlier.
Go back to it!
You will always refer someone to what has been quoted before to you!
And tomorrow you will start again!
What's the point?

The question was: Is Jibril the Breath of Allah?
Its a YES or NO question!

TenQ:
I am not like you Muslims who swallow ANYTHING you are given whether it makes sense or not .

In your attempts to misinterpret the Qur'an so that it will say exactly what you want it to say.

When people tell lies, they need more lies to keep it up.

Now, we see that even with your lies, you don't have an answer to basic questions.

Is Jibril the Breath of Allah?
Is "The Angels and the Spirit standing in rows" Jibril or Jesus?

Just say you have no answers to simple basic questions!

Me sef no get your time again!

AntiChristian:
Me sef no get your time again!

Why is Islam full of Lies upon Lies?
Why is it that Islam has to rewrite history to be whole?

Why is it that no one can trust your translations as you have doctored it?


Questions:
1. If Jibril is the Holy Spirit indeed, was he the one who gave life to Adam in Qur'an 32:9. Was Jibril the the thing Allah blew into Adam in Qur'an 15:29
2. What's meant by the term "spirit of Allah" and subsequently, what does it mean that Jesus is the Spirit from Allah?
3. Is the spirit of Allah an attribute of Allah? If the spirit is an attribute of Allah, how comes it is a personality like Allah?

What do we see in the Qur'an:
1. Rūh can take several forms as a person and thus (78:38) the Spirit can appear also appear in human form, such as in the case of the rūh that interacts with Mary (19:17).

2. The Quran even describes Jesus as rūh in one instance (4:171)

3.  Additionally, Rūh is referred to as Rūh al-Qudus (the Holy Spirit), al-Rūh al-Amin (the Trustworthy Spirit), or simply al-Rūh, and My/His (God's) Rūh.

4. The Spirit is the source of human life and the Breathe of Allah himself as stated in Qur'an 32:9

5. "My/His (God's) Spirit" in 15:29, 32:9 and 38:72 figuratively as God's power


Note:
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”

Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His spirit. And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.

Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

TenQ:
Why is Islam full of Lies upon Lies?
Why is it that Islam has to rewrite history to be whole?

Why is it that no one can trust your translations as you have doctored it?


Questions:
1. If Jibril is the Holy Spirit indeed, was he the one who gave life to Adam in Qur'an 32:9. Was Jibril the the thing Allah blew into Adam in Qur'an 15:29
2. What's meant by the term "spirit of Allah" and subsequently, what does it mean that Jesus is the Spirit from Allah?
3. Is the spirit of Allah an attribute of Allah? If the spirit is an attribute of Allah, how comes it is a personality like Allah?

This one too na lie!
Eat your lies then!

Then YHWH Elohim formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

All Humans have the breath at conception too!

It was Narrated 'Abdullah bin Mus'ud that Allah's Apostle, the true and truly inspired said, "(The matter of the Creation of) a human being is put together in the womb of the mother in forty days, and then he becomes a clot of thick blood for a similar period, and then a piece of flesh for a similar period. Then Allah sends an angel who is ordered to write four things. He is ordered to write down his (i.e. the new creature's) deeds, his livelihood, his (date of) death, and whether he will be blessed or wretched (in religion). Then the soul (Ruh) is breathed into him. So, a man amongst you may do (good deeds till there is only a cubit between him and Paradise and then what has been written for him decides his behavior and he starts doing (evil) deeds characteristic of the people of the (Hell) Fire. And similarly a man amongst you may do (evil) deeds till there is only a cubit between him and the (Hell) Fire, and then what has been written for him decides his behavior, and he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise." (Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 430)

I no get your time any longer!

AntiChristian:
This one too na lie!
Eat your lies then!

Then YHWH Elohim formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

All Humans have the breath at conception too!


I no get your time any longer!

You even try!
Foolish questions too much!
Let him explain the breath of Yahweh Elohim too!

Ignoramus upon ten!

AntiChristian:
This one too na lie!
Eat your lies then!

Then YHWH Elohim formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. Genesis 2:7

All Humans have the breath at conception too!


I no get your time any longer!

Unfortunately for you,
The Ruh (Ruach) or Spirit in Christianity and Judaism is different from the Ruh in Islam.
God is a Spirit and the father of All Spirits. God's Angels are Spirits. Human beings are Bodies which has the Soul and Spirit. When God's spirit comes upon a man, Power is released to such a man.

In Islam:
The Ruh in Islam is Jibril.
Allah is NOT Ruh
Jibril is an Angel, and Angels are not made of spirit.
You cannot even show us one clear verse of the Quran where Allah says that Jibril is a spirit.
Isa is also a Spirit.

Clearly, even in Islam, the Spirit is a LIVING Being.

1. Till today, Islamic inconsistencies cannot tell us if Jibril was the breathe Allah breath into Adam?
2. The Jews asked your prophet: What about the spirit!

Both Allah and your prophet were lost and couldn't answer the question.

The spirit of Islam is NOT the spirit that worked with All the prophets of God from inception.


* You can run away all you want, but the TRUTH will always catch up on you!

AbuTwins:
You even try!
Foolish questions too much!
Let him explain the breath of Yahweh Elohim too!

Ignoramus upon ten!

Unfortunately for you,
The Ruh (Ruach) or Spirit in Christianity and Judaism is different from the Ruh in Islam.
God is a Spirit and the father of All Spirits. God's Angels are Spirits. Human beings are Bodies which has the Soul and Spirit. When God's spirit comes upon a man, Power is released to such a man.

In Christianity and Judaism, God is a SPIRIT.

God put part of Himself into Adam and Adam became a LIVING SOUL!

In Islam;
1. Is Allah a SPIRIT?
NO!
2. Jibril is the Holy Spirit!
Angels are not made of Spirit (they are made from light), therefore Jibril was made from light and thus NOT a spirit!

I challenge you to show me any passage of the Quran where Allah claim that Jibril is the Holy Spirit?
Is it untrue that the only one categorically called a spirit in Islam is Isa?


But the problem now is:

Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?

TenQ:
Unfortunately for you,
The Ruh (Ruach) or Spirit in Christianity and Judaism is different from the Ruh in Islam.
God is a Spirit and the father of All Spirits. God's Angels are Spirits. Human beings are Bodies which has the Soul and Spirit. When God's spirit comes upon a man, Power is released to such a man.

In Christianity and Judaism, God is a SPIRIT.

God put part of Himself into Adam and Adam became a LIVING SOUL!

In Islam;
1. Is Allah a SPIRIT?
NO!
2. Jibril is the Holy Spirit!
Angels are not made of Spirit (they are made from fire), therefore Jibril was made from fire and thus NOT a spirit!

I challenge you to show me any passage of the Quran where Allah claim that Jibril is the Holy Spirit?
Is it untrue that the only one categorically called a spirit in Islam is Isa?


But the problem now is:

Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?

What is Ruach (Ruh) according to Judaism and Christianity?

Do Jews believe the Holy spirit (RU'AH HA-KODESH) Is God too like the trinitarian Christains?

You said God is a Spirit in Christainity, by God do you mean the Father? Or do you mean The Father, Son and Holy spirit are all Spirits?

And Angels are made from Light and not Fire in Islam.

Qasim6:
What is Ruach (Ruh) according to Judaism and Christianity?

The Ruh (Ruach) or Spirit in Christianity and Judaism is different from the Ruh in Islam.
God is a Spirit and the father of All Spirits. God's Angels are Spirits. Human beings are Bodies which has the Soul and Spirit. When God's spirit comes upon a man, Power is released to such a man.

As a Spirit, God is Omnipresent (like AIR or WIND) and is EVERYWHERE

Qasim6:
Do Jews believe the Holy spirit (RU'AH HA-KODESH) Is God too like the trinitarian Christains?

Job 33:4
The Spirit of God has made me; the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
Gen 1:1-3
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the surface of the waters. 3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

Psalm 139:7-8
Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.

Qasim6:
You said God is a Spirit in Christainity, by God do you mean the Father? Or do you mean The Father, Son and Holy spirit are all Spirits?

God Yahweh is the Father
God Yahweh is the Word
God Yahweh is the Holy Spirit

John 4:24:
“God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

Qasim6:
And Angels are made from Light and not Fire in Islam.

Okay!



My own Question:
Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?


Note:
Qur'an 15:29
When I form him perfect, and blow in him of My spirit, then you must fall down before him in prostration.”

Qur'an 32:9
Then He gave him a proportioned shape, and breathed into him of His spirit. And He granted you the (power of) hearing and the eyes and the hearts. Little you give thanks.

Qur'an 38:72
So, once I make him perfectly and breath My spirit into him, you must fall down in prostration before him.”

A single response to the misconception.

In Islam, the concept of the Spirit of Allah (Ruhullah) is a profound and mysterious aspect of creation that is mentioned in the Qur'an and Hadith. The term "Ruh" (spirit) is used in various contexts to describe different aspects of creation, including human beings, angels, and other entities. Each instance of the Spirit of Allah in relation to Adam, Jesus, Jibril, and other creation carries unique meanings and significance:

1. Spirit of Allah in Adam (peace be upon him):
In the Qur'an, it is mentioned that Allah created Adam (peace be upon him) with His own hands and breathed into him of His spirit:

(So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.) (Qur'an 38:72)

The Spirit of Allah in Adam (peace be upon him) signifies the special creation and honor bestowed upon him by Allah, as he was the first human being and the father of humanity.

2. Spirit of Allah in Jesus (peace be upon him):
As mentioned earlier, Prophet Isa (Jesus, peace be upon him) is also referred to as "Ruhullah" in the Qur'an due to his miraculous birth and his role as a prophet and messenger of Allah. The Qur'an emphasizes his unique creation and status as a righteous servant of Allah.

3. Spirit of Allah in Jibril (peace be upon him):
The Angel Jibril (Gabriel, peace be upon him) is known as "Ruh al-Amin" (the Trustworthy Spirit) in Islamic belief, highlighting his role as the angel of revelation who brought the divine messages from Allah to the prophets. Jibril (pbuh) is honored for his faithful conveyance of Allah's guidance to the prophets and his pivotal role in the transmission of divine revelation.

4. Spirit of Allah in other creation:
The concept of the Spirit of Allah is not limited to Adam, Jesus, and Jibril, but extends to all creation in various forms. The Qur'an mentions that Allah has created everything, including human beings, animals, and the natural world, with His divine spirit:

(And I have blown into him of My spirit.) (Qur'an 15:29)

This verse indicates that the spirit of Allah is a divine element present in all creation, symbolizing the life and vitality that He bestows upon His creatures.

honesttalk21:
A single response to the misconception.

In Islam, the concept of the Spirit of Allah (Ruhullah) is a profound and mysterious aspect of creation that is mentioned in the Qur'an and Hadith. The term "Ruh" (spirit) is used in various contexts to describe different aspects of creation, including human beings, angels, and other entities. Each instance of the Spirit of Allah in relation to Adam, Jesus, Jibril, and other creation carries unique meanings and significance:

Hello my friend.
My problem is that most of you Muslims have been trying to redefine the RUH as NAFS so as to make your answers fit into your preferred standard Islamic narrative.

I asked the question to force the Truth out of the error of Islam:
"Did Allah breathe Jibril into Adam?"


For indeed, the best you Muslims can know about the spirit is
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.

Unfortunately, contrary to the given knowledge of Islam, ALL Muslims seem to know what the RUH of Allah is: Angel Jibril

Secondly, Christians and Jews know what the Spirit is and this was why the Jews asked your prophet the question:
What about the spirit?
For every prophet is directly spoken to by God by His Holy Spirit (not an Angel)

honesttalk21:
1. Spirit of Allah in Adam (peace be upon him):
In the Qur'an, it is mentioned that Allah created Adam (peace be upon him) with His own hands and breathed into him of His spirit:

(So when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.) (Qur'an 38:72)

The Spirit of Allah in Adam (peace be upon him) signifies the special creation and honor bestowed upon him by Allah, as he was the first human being and the father of humanity.

You can see how you quickly fell into the errors of the standard Islamic narrative by mistranslating Quran 48:72 by replacing RUH with NAFS

You have three problems
1. The Arabic of Allah is not good enough as he meant NAFS and not RUH in the verse.
2. Since the Rūh of Allah is Holy: then Did Allah breath Jibril into Adam?
3. If Jibril is Rūh Al-Qudus, are Angels of Allah Spirits?

honesttalk21:
2. Spirit of Allah in Jesus (peace be upon him):
As mentioned earlier, Prophet Isa (Jesus, peace be upon him) is also referred to as "Ruhullah" in the Qur'an due to his miraculous birth and his role as a prophet and messenger of Allah. The Qur'an emphasizes his unique creation and status as a righteous servant of Allah.

The argument of Jesus referred to as Ruhulla is due to his miraculous birth is a terribly lame argument!
Why?
1. How is it a miracle when apart from Mary, there was no evidence?
2. Adam and Eve are more qualified to be the Ruhulla than Jesus because they don't even have neither a father or mother.
Why is Adam not also Ruhulla?

Secondly, You will note that nowhere in the Qur'an did Allah call Jibril a spirit BUT Jesus was called a spirit from him.

If Jesus is the Spirit from Allah, is he the Unholy Spirit or the Holy spirit?

Is there anyone else in the Universe described as a spirit by Allah?

So what is your evidence that Jesus is NOT the Holy Spirit but Jibril is?

honesttalk21:
3. Spirit of Allah in Jibril (peace be upon him):
The Angel Jibril (Gabriel, peace be upon him) is known as "Ruh al-Amin" (the Trustworthy Spirit) in Islamic belief, highlighting his role as the angel of revelation who brought the divine messages from Allah to the prophets. Jibril (pbuh) is honored for his faithful conveyance of Allah's guidance to the prophets and his pivotal role in the transmission of divine revelation.

The problem is that this is an invention of you Muslims rather than Allah.

Otherwise, the Question of the Jews:
"What about the spirit?"
Would have the answer:
The Spirit is Angel Jibril who brings the Qur'an down to Mohammed


Moreover, you have another problem in your hand.
If this is true, then the Spirit is a LIVING BEING: such that Jibril as a spirit is a living being.

Then the question again is:
What is Allah breathing into mud moulded as Adam? Is it a living being?

honesttalk21:
4. Spirit of Allah in other creation:
The concept of the Spirit of Allah is not limited to Adam, Jesus, and Jibril, but extends to all creation in various forms. The Qur'an mentions that Allah has created everything, including human beings, animals, and the natural world, with His divine spirit:

(And I have blown into him of My spirit.) (Qur'an 15:29)

This verse indicates that the spirit of Allah is a divine element present in all creation, symbolizing the life and vitality that He bestows upon His creatures.

This is close to the Christian theology.

But then some of you Muslims deny that a human being is a Trinity of his BODY, NAFS and RUH.

Moreover, if
1. Jesus is a RUH and is a Living Personality
2. Jibril is RUH and is a Living Personality

1. Then what argument do you have against the notion that the RUH in man is a Living Personality?
2. If the Rūh in a man gives Life, what then is the purpose of the Nafs in man?




You will agree with me that while Islam deny the nature of the spirit according to the Jews and Christians, Islam give no clearer description.
Islam is thus truly fully confused about the nature of the Spirit!

Can any Muslim help us with the answer to this question:

Why did Allah not answer the question of the Jews which the posed to Mohammed about the SPIRIT knowing that the Christians and Jews have a different concept of it from Islam

Instead, Allah's gave the vague response:

Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.

honesttalk21:
A single response to the misconception.


This verse indicates that the spirit of Allah is a divine element present in all creation, symbolizing the life and vitality that He bestows upon His creatures.

Is the RUH a creation of Allah or an Attribute of Allah?

Muslim will mistranslate the Qur'an just to sell off to gullible people that Jibril is the Holy Spirit.


Quran 38:72 (Exact Translation)
So when I have proportioned him and breathe into him of my spirit/Soul, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 15:29 (Exact Translation)
So when I have fashioned him and I breathed into him of my spirit/Soul, then fall down to him prostrating.


Quran 32:9 (Exact Translation)
Then he fashioned him and breathed into him from his spirit/Soul and made for you the hearing and the sight and feelings [little] what thanks you give




The argument of creation of the soul/spirit fall down flat: why?
1. Who is the One Breathing the Spirit? It is Allah?
2. Is Jibril the spirit of Allah?
3. Is the spirit an attribute or creation of Allah

Why is Islam full of Lies upon Lies?
Why is it that Islam has to rewrite history to be whole?

Why is it that no one can trust your translations as you have doctored it?


Questions:
1. If Jibril is the Holy Spirit indeed, was he the one who gave life to Adam in Qur'an 32:9. Was Jibril the the thing Allah blew into Adam in Qur'an 15:29
2. What's meant by the term "spirit of Allah" and subsequently, what does it mean that Jesus is the Spirit from Allah?
3. Is the spirit of Allah an attribute of Allah? If the spirit is an attribute of Allah, how comes it is a personality like Allah?

I was had an opportunity to speak with an Islamic scholar today, he was saying that the reason why they don't read the Torah, the Zabur and the Injeel is that they have been corrupted.

He was silent after I quoted what Allah said about this same books and showed him that the Qur'an worse off.

1. There are several Arabic Qur'ans in existence. Some of the list are:


Hafs
Warsh
Qalun
al-Duri
al-Bazzi
Qunbul
al-Suri
Ibn `Amir
Hisham
Parts of Yemen
Ibn Dhakwan
Khallad
al-Kisa'i
al-Duri
Abu'l-Harith
Ibn Wardan
Ibn Jamaz
Ya`qub al-Hashimi
Ruways
Rawh
Khalaf al-Bazzar
Ishaq
Idris al-Haddad
Khalaf


So many Arabic Qurans whereas there should not be more than 7!

Enter the Islamic Confusion: What is a Spirit?
1. Mohammed doesn't know and Allah too seems not to know
Qur'an 17:85
They are asking thee concerning the Spirit. Say: The Spirit is by command of my Lord, and of knowledge ye have been given but little.

The direct question of the Jews wasn't answered by Allah.

2. However, Muslim scholars seem to know what the Spirit is:
They say that the spirit is an Angel called Jibril!

Except Muslims can prove that there are several kinds or types of Rūh, they have made Jibril (a creature) an attribute of Allah by which he creates life.
Muslims will claim in error that Jibril is the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, there is not one verse of the Qur'an that states that Jibril is the Holy Spirit.

Instead, what we see is that Jibril is an Angel and thus cannot be a spirit.

In the confusion of Muslims, they say
1. Allah is NOT a spirit (this is their biggest mistake)
If Allah was a spirit, it makes sense if he breath of his spirit into Adam (But Allah isn't a spirit)

2. However Allah has a spirit (who is either Jibril, Islamic Jesus or his attribute)
If Allah breath of his spirit into Adam, did he breath in Jibril or Jesus or his Attribute into Adam?
Muslims become evasive with this Islamic dilema!

3. Angel Jibril is Ruh Al-Qudus (the Holy Spirit) (another serious mistake)
The problem is no where within the Quran can we find that Jibril is the Holy spirit. Unfortunately, the Islamic Jesus is also a spirit. Is he the unholy spirit?
Muslims are left in confusion about the fact that the word used as spirit in islam is always SINGULAR

The mixup is so great that asking simple questions about the SPIRIT, Muslims are confused

Here is a Muslim willing to speak the truth.
Very rare virtue indeed!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1IFua5BJH0?si=mb33dw_WMPEz2a2e


Mr Antichristian
This Muslim is speaking the facts and truth he knows about the Hamas atrocities in Israel.

They Raped
They Stole
The Kidnapped

As hooligans

Another Muslim speaking the Truth about Islam



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSkzcocL1A0?si=l2duWWcx_h6Rw18u

Here is a Muslim speaking about the fact that Islam is a disease that infects a whole nation. Islam is like a virus or pathogen that causes the disease of violence in a people


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