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"Physical matter is music solidified" - Pythagoras

The above quote means it is Sound solidified. Humans call it music because of the symphony that comes with Sounds in nature when viewed or listened to with the proper tools. Further measure and give symbols to these sounds and you have mathematics and any subject that exists for a human.


I recall telling a someone here in the past on how Eckankar is completely scientific. I think its triplechoice. He thinks otherwise. Well, the so-called scientists are catching up...

The truth is science as we know it is about to be stripped to its marrow in the few coming days. Thanks to the advent of this genius already in action. His work will open up Leonardo Davinci's work closed up in the vatican libraries because if made public will strip religion of its powers. Not so anymore!



The below image is a tidbit of the science of sound and why Eckists will rather use the Hu sound instead of bombarding their space with speech propelled by worry, concern, anger (when binding and casting), begging, etc which are only good for compounding a condition because the wrong Sound frequencies are being used.



I will post a video for more details.

"God is Spirit...they must come IN Spirit and Truth".

There is the 'God Sound'. This is not a word. It is a Sound. This sound is what you get when you pronounce the word "Hue" in a long drawn-out manner.

Mere pronunciation does not however complete the circuit. A heart-felt energy must be added if it is to carry the right vibration.


This is where doing this for a long time becomes the most powerful "prayer" one could ever perform.

"Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do"

Each of the above produce distinct effect on matter. All however, and any other tune in between are transpositions of a singular sound which Eckankar and several other teachings claim to be the Sound made in the "Hu" sound, just like it is said all colors come from black and white or so.

Lets say 'Do' is the God frequency, repeating this vibrates the performer off of a problematic situation into the state of 'Do' due to a phenomena known as 'resonance'. It means 'at-one-ment'. After at-one-ment is achieved, one has the leeway to recreate a better condition for themselves via imagination. Imagination produces brain 'waves' as "science" says. Sound is involved in any wave.

Kindly see attached video


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwsGULCvMBk

chieveboy:
"Physical matter is music solidified" - Pythagoras

The above quote means it is Sound solidified. Humans call it music because of the symphony that comes with Sounds in nature when viewed or listened to with the proper tools. Further measure and give symbols to these sounds and you have mathematics and any subject that exists for a human.


I recall telling a someone here in the past on how Eckankar is completely scientific. I think its triplechoice. He thinks otherwise. Well, the so-called scientists are catching up...

The truth is science as we know it is about to be stripped to its marrow in the few coming days. Thanks to the advent of this genius already in action. His work will open up Leonardo Davinci's work closed up in the vatican libraries because if made public will strip religion of its powers. Not so anymore!



The below image is a tidbit of the science of sound and why Eckists will rather use the Hu sound instead of bombarding their space with speech propelled by worry, concern, anger (when binding and casting), begging, etc which are only good for compounding a condition because the wrong Sound frequencies are being used.



I will post a video for more details.

I always knew you didn't understand from where I was coming from the last time we had some argument or discussion.

I didn't say Eckankar is not scientific or cannot be approached scientifically ,but not the same kind of science practiced by those trained in the material sciences taught in regular schools open to the public

While eckist, or spiritual scientist practice spiritual exercises which helps to open up dormant perceptive tools within themselves to perceive spirit or other inner realities directly, those trained in the material sciences , physics or chemistry for instance, are only able to observe and record what the limited five physical senses and other scientific instrumentation can make them perceive, which they then declare as scientifically proven after validating it through testing and experimentation.

However , it doesn't mean that everything the spiritual student sees in his inner travel is real or actually there: The inner world is made up of both the real and the unreal. Not knowing this can easily drag one into a state of delusion where the individual is no longer able to separate the real from the unreal.

There are methods available to the spiritual student or eckist to validate as real what's perceived innerly which you failed to mention but tried to create the false impression that it's the same as the rational sciences.

For instance, can you put the Eck or holy Spirit in a test tube and observe and measure it just like those trained in the material sciences ? Certainly not.

So what are you talking about? Chieveboy

triplechoice:
I always knew you didn't understand from where I was coming from the last time we had some argument or discussion.

I didn't say Eckankar is not scientific or cannot be approached scientifically ,but not the same kind of science practiced by those trained in the material sciences taught in regular schools open to the public

Material science is the study of effects. That's masturbation as far as the real thing is concerned. Some dude is coming to strip what you call science of it's fake fecade. Science will change completely.

While eckist, or spiritual scientist practice spiritual exercises which helps to open up dormant perceptive tools within themselves to perceive spirit or other inner realities directly, those trained in the material sciences , physics or chemistry for instance, are only able to observe and record what the limited five physical senses and other scientific instrumentation can make them perceive, which they then declare as scientifically proven after validating it through testing and experimentation.

Good! From the above, you reiterated the superficiality of what is referred to as science today which dwells on the 'effects' of the real object of any scientific engagement, as in how Gravity is a mere effect of electricity which itself is an aftermath of a grand dance of spiritual stuff (ether).

Science must be based on 'Soft technologies' like the so-called meditation, contemplation, Soul Travel and OBEs for it to properly take care of several problems and questions for mankind.

However , it doesn't mean that everything the spiritual student sees in his inner travel is real or actually there: The inner world is made up of both the real and the unreal. Not knowing this can easily drag one into a state of delusion where the individual is no longer able to separate the real from the unreal.

Nothing is real or unreal. Things just are.

There are methods available to the spiritual student or eckist to validate as real what's perceived innerly which you failed to mention but tried to create the false impression that it's the same as the rational sciences.

Question: If an Eckist sees the ether via the proper apparatus creating another condition which the guy with apparatus calls gravity, who is seeing or interacting with the main thing? Who is the real scientist here?

Are you aware what is called the ECK is usable as part of machine? In other climes, it's known as "Logotechnocraton" or tech ology driven by mixture of consciousness or "Logos" and material substance?

For instance, can you put the Eck or holy Spirit in a test tube and observe and measure it just like those trained in the material sciences ? Certainly not.

So what are you talking about? Chieveboy

Oh we've been at it for eons. The question is to what degree and from which dimension. A sead give-away is water. We put it in test tube all the time. It can be changed to pure ECK, gas or solid with the right procedure.

chieveboy:
Material science is the study of effects. That's masturbation as far as the real thing is concerned. Some dude is coming to strip what you call science of it's fake fecade. Science will change completely.

. But this study of effects has produced stuffs like the one you're using now to make your presence felt on Nairaland. Material sciences is not masturbating but an alternative method available to everyone for arriving at truth . However, the material scientist won't agree to call it an alternative because that's the only thing he knows and finds more reliable .

Good! From the above, you reiterated the superficiality of what is referred to as science today which dwells on the 'effects' of the real object of any scientific engagement, as in how Gravity is a mere effect of electricity which itself is an aftermath of a grand dance of spiritual stuff (ether).

Its not superficial as you think if not stuffs cannot results from it . The only thing is that it has its limitations about what it can do or not do.

Science must be based on 'Soft technologies' like the so-called meditation, contemplation, Soul Travel and OBEs for it to properly take care of several problems and questions for mankind.

If they get to the point where they see it has a must they would do that . But for now,most of them still regard those as spiritual practices that shouldn't be included as something that must be taught in regular schools

Nothing is real or unreal. Things just are.

You say so because of how you have come to perceive the world around you and it's your choice how you want to view it. But remember , you live amongst others who don't see it the way you do.

Question: If an Eckist sees the ether via the proper apparatus creating another condition which the guy with apparatus calls gravity, who is seeing or interacting with the main thing? Who is the real scientist here?

The real scientist is the one able to present his findings for others to judge themselves.

Are you aware what is called the ECK is usable as part of machine? In other climes, it's known as "Logotechnocraton" or tech ology driven by mixture of consciousness or "Logos" and material substance?

. I'm afraid this sounds more like...........

Oh we've been at it for eons. The question is to what degree and from which dimension. A sead give-away is water. We put it in test tube all the time. It can be changed to pure ECK, gas or solid with the right procedure.

I'm not talking of how spirit, energy, manifest in the lower worlds for everyone to see it physically, but how it's only perceived as either light or sound , or even more than that,through inner travel, meditation, soul or any other means available to the " spiritual scientist"

You won't find any science textbook referring to water , gas or solid has pure spirit. That's your own description of it because you were taught that matter is crystalized spirit.

triplechoice:
. But this study of effects has produced stuffs like the one you're using now to make your presence felt on Nairaland. Material sciences is not masturbating but an alternative method available to everyone for arriving at truth . However, the material scientist won't agree to call it an alternative because that's the only thing he knows and finds more reliable .


Its not superficial as you think if not stuffs cannot results from it . The only thing is that it has its limitations about what it can do or not do.
If they get to the point where they see it has a must they would do that . But for now,most of them still regard those as spiritual practices that shouldn't be included as something that must be taught in regular schools


You say so because of how you have come to perceive the world around you and it's your choice how you want to view it. But remember , you live amongst others who don't see it the way you do.

The real scientist is the one able to present his findings for others to judge themselves.
. I'm afraid this sounds more like...........



I'm not talking of how spirit, energy, manifest in the lower worlds for everyone to see it physically, but how it's only perceived as either light or sound , or even more than that,through inner travel, meditation, soul or any other means available to the " spiritual scientist"

You won't find any science textbook referring to water , gas or solid has pure spirit. That's your own description of it because you were taught that matter is crystalized spirit.

Science isn't about proving yourself to anyone. The progenitors of whatever the scientists sic politicians of today run with I have said before were mystics ala autodictats. It didn't start out as an organization to be controlled by powerful cartels and nothing is changing this as we are going right back to how it must be.

Science making my phone doesn't mean that's the best it should be. It's full of harm biologicallyy emotionally and mentally if you're not aware.

I think I have told you of an inventor of a device which generates electricity from thin air. Till today, he fails to be patented because the so-called scientists cannot peer-review nor place into their ineffectual template the working principle of the machine.

You won't find any science textbook referring to water , gas or solid has pure spirit. That's your own description of it because you were taught that matter is crystalized spirit.

Herein lies the issue. Textbook science, again. They won't tell you it has pure spirit simply because they are not advanced, I wonder why you love that tent.

There is this guy called Terrence Howard. All I can tell you is: Watch out

chieveboy:
Science isn't about proving yourself to anyone. The progenitors of whatever the scientists sic politicians of today run with I have said before were mystics ala autodictats. It didn't start out as an organization to be controlled by powerful cartels and nothing is changing this as we are going right back to how it must be.

1.You're not proving yourself when you provide your findings to the public ,but contributing your own part to improve human knowledge about the world we all live in. Such contributions from the past are what we're benefiting from today. If you don't see any good in that, then that's your own problem.
2. As for your "progenitors" and " "mystic" explanation, sorry, I don't subscribe to such conspirational theories. Provide evidences for your claims.

Science making my phone doesn't mean that's the best it should be. It's full of harm biologicallyy emotionally and mentally if you're not aware.

Science will continue to seek for improvement in what it does, and nothing is perfect. Scientists are always alert to any danger their products can cause and because of that warn the public to take precautions. Even your Eckankar practices has its dangers too. Some of the spiritual exercises can drag you into a state of delusion requiring professional help.

I think I have told you of an inventor of a device which generates electricity from thin air. Till today, he fails to be patented because the so-called scientists cannot peer-review nor place into their ineffectual template the working principle of the machine.

Since no one knows the working principle, let him mass produce the machine and sell. Not having your findings peer reviewed doesn't mean it has become useless.

And the same "ineffectual template" is what has led to the phone you're using to downplay what they do.

Herein lies the issue. Textbook science, again. They won't tell you it has pure spirit simply because they are not advanced, I wonder why you love that tent.

I wonder why you like to say things which doesn't make sense? You have just produced another conspirational talk. Everyone can practice science and so there's no gang up anywhere to deceive the public . If a group of scientists try to hide the truth from the public it won't be long before another group of scientists reveals it. But this doesn't happen in spiritual paths like yours where they lie to you to accept and threaten you with karma for challenging the master .

There is this guy called Terrence Howard. All I can tell you is: Watch out

If what he comes up with is not magic and can benefit everyone.

triplechoice:
1.You're not proving yourself when you provide your findings to the public ,but contributing your own part to improve human knowledge about the world we all live in. Such contributions from the past are what we're benefiting from today. If you don't see any good in that, then that's your own problem.
2. As for your "progenitors" and " "mystic" explanation, sorry, I don't subscribe to such conspirational theories. Provide evidences for your claims.


Science will continue to seek for improvement in what it does, and nothing is perfect. Scientists are always alert to any danger their products can cause and because of that warn the public to take precautions. Even your Eckankar practices has its dangers too. Some of the spiritual exercises can drag you into a state of delusion requiring professional help.


Since no one knows the working principle, let him mass produce the machine and sell. Not having your findings peer reviewed doesn't mean it has become useless.

And the same "ineffectual template" is what has led to the phone you're using to downplay what they do.


I wonder why you like to say things which doesn't make sense? You have just produced another conspirational talk. Everyone can practice science and so there's no gang up anywhere to deceive the public . If a group of scientists try to hide the truth from the public it won't be long before another group of scientists reveals it. But this doesn't happen in spiritual paths like yours where they lie to you to accept and threaten you with karma for challenging the master .


If what he comes up with is not magic and can benefit everyone.

Here is a work of some independent scientist who built on the work of an 'unofficial' scientist as far back as the 1920s curing cancer. That scientist was jailed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C73AuV1CsCP/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Question: Why jail someone who finds solution to a long standing scientific problem?

chieveboy:
Here is a work of some independent scientist who built on the work of an 'unofficial' scientist as far back as the 1920s curing cancer. That scientist was jailed.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C73AuV1CsCP/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

Question: Why jail someone who finds solution to a long standing scientific problem?

I can't find any evidence he was jailed for his discovery.

The FDA gave him approval. So it doesn't make sense to say he was jailed for what they gave him approval for.

Modified. And how does this method to manage cancer prove that eckankar is completely scientific?

triplechoice:
Modified. And how does this method to manage cancer prove that eckankar is completely scientific?

The use of frequencies instead of prayer or traditional medicine.

chieveboy:
The use of frequencies instead of prayer or traditional medicine.

The use of frequencies, even though given approval by FDA, is still classified as pseudoscience because it's not yet a proven cure in the sciences for all medical doctors working in regular hospitals to make use of. And that's why the same FDA has also issued a disclaimer to warn that anyone using it is doing so at their own risk.

It's like acupuncture which is helpful to manage certain illnesses but without scientific explanation of how it works.

Scientific proofs or scientifically proven,are rational explanation for phenomenon. In other words, they're very detailed or step by step explanation of how exactly something works so everyone can understand it

The science behind the use of frequencies in managing cancer is still at its elementary stage. There's some explanation but not enough to say it has been scientifically proven.. It may be working as a placebo. No one knows yet.

So, what all of these means is that, you have unknowingly just accepted that Eckankar is pseudoscience by comparing it what Dr Holland came up with.

I won't be surprised you come back to edit your comments to mean something else after another member of Eckankar, probably an HI, reading our conversation must have informed you that you're misrepresenting the organization. Dr Holland is not doing his work with the support of Eckankar. So why trying to make it seem as if he has the backing of the organization

BTW , where did you read that Dr Holland was arrested for using frequencies? I expected you to provide your source, but you failed to do so.

Modified. The use of frequencies is not yet a cure for cancer. No evidence that anyone has been cured by it. The only evidence we have is thar it helps to prolong the life of cancer patients. That's all

triplechoice:
The use of frequencies, even though given approval by FDA, is still classified as pseudoscience because it's not yet a proven cure in the sciences for all medical doctors working in regular hospitals to make use of. And that's why the same FDA has also issued a disclaimer to warn that anyone using it is doing so at their own risk.

The bolded really cracks and amazes me
You must have heard of Nikolai Tesla and about his work with frequencies and how most were confiscated by the FBI (because it's "pseudoscience" and useless )

Since the last time in the other thread and here, I subtly and Expressly do point you in the direction of a conscious effort by state agents, capitalists and religious agents at controlling what makes it to this textbook you seem to be fixated on to no avail. You somehow have this knack at sticking to the number 4.

In your logic, inventors and pioneers have to wait in queue for when the politics of science would want to look in the direction of updating textbooks.

You however would not be aware of State projects like HAARP which revolves around the "pseudoscience" of frequency energy machines.

You can see how they left you with the propaganda record you got on the Internet while they have developed several energy machines and weapons based on frequency which their propaganda arm labeled "pseudoscience".

You sound like they will come and update the textbooks after the HAARP research

It's like acupuncture which is helpful to manage certain illnesses but without scientific explanation of how it works.

Scientific proofs or scientifically proven,are rational explanation for phenomenon. In other words, they're very detailed or step by step explanation of how exactly something works so everyone can understand it

The science behind the use of frequencies in managing cancer is still at its elementary stage. There's some explanation but not enough to say it has been scientifically proven.. It may be working as a placebo. No one knows yet.

Let's attempt to bring it home: The Covid Vaccines have been proven to be ineffectual, didn't go the usual retinue of testing before application (usually 50-10yrs), and even caused fatal injuries and even death, it however was released to the public over scientifically effective alternatives around like chloroquine.

Chemotherapy has around 80-90% failure rate, Rife frequency has 99% success rate.
Rife frequencies however is the pseudoscience...

So, what all of these means is that, you have unknowingly just accepted that Eckankar is pseudoscience by comparing it what Dr Holland came up with.

Lol, you're still not getting it sir. The person behind this keyboard is grappling for words to let you know the name of the person who is sleeping with your daughter without causing much harm, but you seem to entrained...

If you didn't forget, I used the term "..the scientists are catching up...". So YES, Long before scientists even began calling frequencies "pseudoscience", Eckankar has long been using it. The frequency part is just a tip of it. Wait till scientists develop further to use sound to power flying machines and homes, and that will be them learning to crawl as far as that science is concerned.

The use of that term is a deliberate effort to divide and rule you into sticking with textbooks while they head in the direction of HAARP and other covert application of frequencies.


Are you aware Tesla's findings on frequencies are applied by nations like Russia to secure their airspaces to name just one of it's application?

In the words of Asari Dokubo: "the don leave you" (with textbook).

I won't be surprised you come back to edit your comments to mean something else after another member of Eckankar, probably an HI, reading our conversation must have informed you that you're misrepresenting the organization. Dr Holland is not doing his work with the support of Eckankar. So why trying to make it seem as if he has the backing of the organization

If only you would apply this wild imagination into catching the culprits responsible for making you stick to their scripts...

BTW , where did you read that Dr Holland was arrested for using frequencies? I expected you to provide your source, but you failed to do so.

Does Holland bear the name Rife?

Modified. The use of frequencies is not yet a cure for cancer. No evidence that anyone has been cured by it. The only evidence we have is thar it helps to prolong the life of cancer patients. That's all

You have been waiting for rapture, it took place before your eyes and you're still waiting for rapture.

You watched a prove of concept, and you're quoting the inefficacy of the chemotherapy and "approved science".

chieveboy:
The bolded really cracks and amazes me
You must have heard of Nikolai Tesla and about his work with frequencies and how most were confiscated by the FBI (because it's "pseudoscience" and useless )

Since the last time in the other thread and here, I subtly and Expressly do point you in the direction of a conscious effort by state agents, capitalists and religious agents at controlling what makes it to this textbook you seem to be fixated on to no avail. You somehow have this knack at sticking to the number 4.

In your logic, inventors and pioneers have to wait in queue for when the politics of science would want to look in the direction of updating textbooks.

You however would not be aware of State projects like HAARP which revolves around the "pseudoscience" of frequency energy machines.

You can see how they left you with the propaganda record you got on the Internet while they have developed several energy machines and weapons based on frequency which their propaganda arm labeled "pseudoscience".

You sound like they will come and update the textbooks after the HAARP research




Let's attempt to bring it home: The Covid Vaccines have been proven to be ineffectual, didn't go the usual retinue of testing before application (usually 50-10yrs), and even caused fatal injuries and even death, it however was released to the public over scientifically effective alternatives around like chloroquine.

Chemotherapy has around 80-90% failure rate, Rife frequency has 99% success rate.
Rife frequencies however is the pseudoscience...



Lol, you're still not getting it sir. The person behind this keyboard is grappling for words to let you know the name of the person who is sleeping with your daughter without causing much harm, but you seem to entrained...

If you didn't forget, I used the term "..the scientists are catching up...". So YES, Long before scientists even began calling frequencies "pseudoscience", Eckankar has long been using it. The frequency part is just a tip of it. Wait till scientists develop further to use sound to power flying machines and homes, and that will be them learning to crawl as far as that science is concerned.

The use of that term is a deliberate effort to divide and rule you into sticking with textbooks while they head in the direction of HAARP and other covert application of frequencies.


Are you aware Tesla's findings on frequencies are applied by nations like Russia to secure their airspaces to name just one of it's application?

In the words of Asari Dokubo: "the don leave you" (with textbook).



If only you would apply this wild imagination into catching the culprits responsible for making you stick to their scripts...



Does Holland bear the name Rife?



You have been waiting for rapture, it took place before your eyes and you're still waiting for rapture.

You watched a prove of concept, and you're quoting the inefficacy of the chemotherapy and "approved science".

The discussion centres on cancer cure using frequencies. Please stick to that and don't deflect to Tesla.

I said the use of frequencies to cure or manage cancer is pseudoscience just like acupuncture . Pseudoscience doesn't mean it cannot provide some result or benefit for those who use it. Why this is difficult for you to understand, to the extent you keep misrepresenting me all the time only God knows


Pseudoscience doesn't mean fake. It simply means not yet accepted by mainstream scientist because no detailed explanation of how it works. Placebo effect may be responsible for the results you're getting.

If what you have as cure is working and not harmful then please use it but don't try to deceive the public that the reason it's yet to be accepted by mainstream scientist is because of an imaginary gang up that only exist in your head.



You need to help yourself by learning very well the difference between pseudoscience and mainstream science as well as scientifically proven and not scientifically proven.Once you know the difference, you will surely understand what kind of science eckankar is.



And what's the incoherent rapture talk. Did I announce bto you I'm a Christian waiting for any rapture.?

Please don't forget, in your reply,to provide evidence of the person arrested. Failure to do so would mean you lied.

. Modified. I forgot this. There's no evidence anywhere that frequencies has been used to cure cancer. It's only used for managing it. If you have evidence of anyone completely cured if cancer using what you're saying please provide it here.

triplechoice:
The discussion centres on cancer cure using frequencies. Please stick to that and don't deflect to Tesla.

I said the use of frequencies to cure or manage cancer is pseudoscience just like acupuncture . Pseudoscience doesn't mean it cannot provide some result or benefit for those who use it. Why this is difficult for you to understand, to the extent you keep misrepresenting me all the time only God knows


Pseudoscience doesn't mean fake. It simply means not yet accepted by mainstream scientist because no detailed explanation of how it works. Placebo effect may be responsible for the results you're getting.

If what you have as cure is working and not harmful then please use it but don't try to deceive the public that the reason it's yet to be accepted by mainstream scientist is because of an imaginary gang up that only exist in your head.



You need to help yourself by learning very well the difference between pseudoscience and mainstream science as well as scientifically proven and not scientifically proven.Once you know the difference, you will surely understand what kind of science eckankar is.

Again, the problem with maninstreammania. When you have this, you're horse to be ridden in any direction.

The term pseudoscience does not in anyway mean what you just defined above (science yet accepted my whatever).

The root word means "false". Pseudoscience essentially means false science but this is not the catch.

The catch is in the fact that it is an 'entrainment word'. I am not sure how to best pass this through...

In hypnotism, they have a "keyword" that when mentioned, the subject gets into an expected programmed state. That's what that "pseudoscience" word is used for while they left for you another definition of it on the Internet. You can see that though the word "pseudo science" means false or unreal science, you unquestionably accepted their euphemised definition hook line and sinker. You left the detail ("pseudo", but that's where the devil is.

So Astrology, Acupuncture, Meditation, OBEs, Hypnotism, Herbology, Psychics and other proven methods of effecting healing and Causes are fake and unreal according.

And what's the incoherent rapture talk. Did I announce bto you I'm a Christian waiting for any rapture.?

Lol, that was a subtle one, I see you didn't get it, you're still asking of prove after watching a full video of a prove of concept of using frequencies to destroying not just the average cancer but a leukemia cancer cell, yet even below, you're still looking for proof .

It's not you, it's that entrainment I was taking of. You're waiting to see a video of a woman lying in bed, and same procedure in that video I shared being applied before you will accept that it is cancer they're destroying. Maybe that's how it can work for you.

Please don't forget, in your reply,to provide evidence of the person arrested. Failure to do so would mean you lied.

https://www.rife.de/an-interview-with-rife.html. Calm down, digest their response to the trial and evidences presented, then look up the Internet to see what the propaganda fronts are saying about Rife frequency cure for cancer.

. Modified. I forgot this. There's no evidence anywhere that frequencies has been used to cure cancer. It's only used for managing it. If you have evidence of anyone completely cured if cancer using what you're saying please provide it here.

Leave matter abeg. I can't talk to you about some stuff being run, the stone must be cast in the right necks.

In the mean time,
Please don't be quick to respond to this post, rather take your time and while to really digest the link below and explore other information on the site.

https://www.rife.de/rife-arthritis-placebo-study.html

Religion truly is a mental illness. Unfortunately, it’s overlooked as a mental illness because it mostly benign.

When people believe the nonsensical claims of religion and other types of magical thinking, there is no limit to the bullshit they will believe. The op is a typical example.

KnownUnknown:
Religion truly is a mental illness. Unfortunately, it’s overlooked as a mental illness because it mostly benign.

When people believe the nonsensical claims of religion and other types of magical thinking, there is no limit to the bullshit they will believe. The op is a typical example.

Okay

chieveboy:
Okay

Captain Insano!!

An American scientist did not create a machine that cures all cancers, Cancer Research UK told Reuters.
Rumours that Doctor Raymond Rife created a device in the early 20th century that could cure “over 5,000 diseases including all cancers” popped up online this month via a meme that asked: “WHY AREN’T WE USING THIS?

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2OZ166/

KnownUnknown:
Captain Insano!!

An American scientist did not create a machine that cures all cancers, Cancer Research UK told Reuters.
Rumours that Doctor Raymond Rife created a device in the early 20th century that could cure “over 5,000 diseases including all cancers” popped up online this month via a meme that asked: “WHY AREN’T WE USING THIS?

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2OZ166/

Okay.

chieveboy:
Okay.

Calling Eckankar completely scientific will not make it so. The religion is far from being what you claim it's . I know because I was there before.

1. Eckist believe in a God, called sugmad .

2. Eckist believe that Harold Klemp is the true representative of this God.

3. Eckankar has it's own " Bible" called the shariyat -ki-sugmad

With the above,and others I haven't mentioned, how can anyone still claim Eckankar is completely scientific?

True science is not based on beliefs, but on facts and evidence.

What you're doing , chieveboy, is using your knowledge of science ,which s obviously not good enough, to interpret the religion has completely scientific when it's not.

I decided to ignore your lengthy reply up there in order not to prolong the conversation. You were incoherent most of the time and also making very vague references. And in the end nothing to show Eckankar is what you claim it is. No evidence yet from you that a certain scientist was arrested for inventing a device to cure cancer.

triplechoice:
Calling Eckankar completely scientific will not make it so. The religion is far from being what you claim it's . I know because I was there before.

1. Eckist believe in a God, called sugmad .

2. Eckist believe that Harold Kemp is the true representative of this God.

3. Eckankar has it's own " Bible" called the shariyat -ki-sugmad

With the above,and others I haven't mentioned, how can anyone still claim Eckankar is completely scientific?

That's the science na. God is actually the electricity, atom, protons and whatnots after you scratch the surface.

The advanced scientists I know (I mean really advanced ones) are turning to mystics in broad day light.

See the works of these two for starters:

https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ARBORDON

Davidsereda.net.

In your head, you seem to be playing it the obsolete science way, the "science is a anti-God format.

True science is not based on beliefs, but on facts and evidence.

What you're doing , chieveboy, is using your knowledge of science ,which s obviously not good enough, to interpret the religion has completely scientific when it's not.

The issue is you're lagging behind with obsolete information on the real stuff. We have machines that amplifies intentions (mental intentions). That's a prayer answering machine!!! We play with machines that links you to other realms... Check out the second link above....you're just behind on these stuff.

The machines are to do what Eckists call "spiritual exercises ". An example isan using machine to travel when he can port the whole thing to his destination via thought...

I decided to ignore your lengthy reply up there in order not to prolong the conversation. You were incoherent most of the time and also making very vague references. And in the end nothing to show Eckankar is what you claim it is. No evidence yet from you that a certain scientist was arrested for inventing a device to cure cancer.

My claim was clear: Science is catching up with what Eckankar had been practicing for eons: "Soft" or Spiritual Technology"!!!
I said instead of praying, Eckists use frequencies instead, which Tesla a highly advanced and non-corporated scientist had long revealed is the main thing!!!

What's left is for you to conjure up resources from online propaganda search results to tell us we (Eckists), Tesla, Royal Rife, David Sereda (davidsereda.net) and lot more scientists that it's "pseudoscience".

Notice how we never heard from you on the evidences I gave earlier of the incarceration and the true story behind the propaganda you feed on?

You on the other hand fail to grasp the point based on your prejudice.[/quote]

chieveboy:
That's the science na. God is actually the electricity, atom, protons and whatnots after you scratch the surface.

. Another attempt to deflect from the topic. We're talking about your use of frequencies as evidence that Eckankar is completely scientific, not God as as atoms or protons .Please focus on your op

The advanced scientists I know (I mean really advanced ones) are turning to mystics in broad day light.

See the works of these two for starters:

https://www.lulu.com/spotlight/ARBORDON

Davidsereda.net.

There's nothing in the sciences that says you should aspire to become a mystic once you become "advanced" in it . So I don't understand the reason for this irrelevant talk

Being a mystic is a personal decision and nothing to do with the sciences.

In your head, you seem to be playing it the obsolete science way, the "science is a anti-God format.

. Another vague talk. Please what's "obsolete science" and give instances where I have played that.

The issue is you're lagging behind with obsolete information on the real stuff. We have machines that amplifies intentions (mental intentions).

The issue is that your frustration in not being able to prove your claim is the reason you're trying to put the blame on me, which is very unfair. I'm
not " lagging behind" . Prove that what you do is completely scientific and you shut me up. That's all.

That's a prayer answering machine!!! We play with machines that links you to other realms... Check out the second link above....you're just behind on these stuff.

The machines are to do what Eckists call "spiritual exercises ". An example isan using machine to travel when he can port the whole thing to his destination via thought...

No. I'm not behind. You have a problem of not realizing that you're trying too hard to conflate two unlike things as the same. Effects created by machines cannot be exactly the same as those of humans. Those machines you mentioned aren't answering any prayers or helping you to travel anywhere real. Everything at the end of the day,is all in your head.

My claim was clear: Science is catching up with what Eckankar had been practicing for eons: "Soft" or Spiritual Technology"!!!
I said instead of praying, Eckists use frequencies instead, which Tesla a highly advanced and non-corporated scientist had long revealed is the main thing!!!

. Sciences that you claim is doing "catching up" has produced stuffs that has greatly improved how we live our lives, while you and the organization you belong to is yet to come up with anything tangible which the whole world can benefit from by using it in their daily lives. You sure like to deceive yourself and you're very good in doing that.

See, Eckankar has its own benefit, but not something to be compared to what mainstream scientist are doing.

What's left is for you to conjure up resources from online propaganda search results to tell us. we (Eckists), Tesla, Royal Rife, David Sereda (davidsereda.net) and lot more scientists that it's "pseudoscience"..

You're the one "conjuring" resources from online propaganda sources together with your deceptive tactics to deceive the gullible . And you just did that up there .

The bolded is your mentioning yourself, (" we, eckist" )alongside prominent scientist to give the false impression that you're doing the same thing as them and so ,shouldn't be criticized as a pseudoscientist.. Tesla and the others aren't pseudoscientists.At different times in the past, they have been able to provide the whole world with practical demonstrations of what they do using any kind of frequency . You on your part haven't been able to do so, yet you continue to delude yourself that you're a top scientist . You are engaged in masturbation.

In the other thread, you attempted the same deceit by mentioning and discussing the fictitious masters ,with dubious history created by Paul Twitchell, alongside well known historical personages to mislead the public that Rebazar tarz and Gopal das were real beings who sometimes lived in the past.

Notice how we never heard from you on the evidences I gave earlier of the incarceration and the true story behind the propaganda you feed on?

Why should you expect to hear from me when you're yet to provide any such evidences. The link you shared for the evidence is invalid or not connecting to anything. It's showing "access denied" Please go through it yourself and screenshot the part that report the arrest and let me read the actual reason for the arrest. I doubt if anyone will be arrested for coming up with a cure for cancer. It's only when the person is selling snake oil as cure for cancer or if the product is not registered with regulatory authorities that an arrest can happen. So provide the actual reason for the arrest.

BTW how does it even prove that Eckankar is completely scientific. A non member of Eckankar is arrested for cancer treatment and it's prove Eckankar is completely scientific. Wetin be dat?

You on the other hand fail to grasp the point based on your prejudice.

Which point and which prejudice? I have no prejudice against Eckankar, but telling it the way it's. It's a spiritual path that can provide some benefits to anyone who wants to try it out, and not what you're trying to claim it's.

Singing Hu to generate sound frequencies is not evidence that you're a top scientist or that
Eckankar is completely scientific. Anyone can produce sound frequencies by singing any word; Love, aum, ra, God , Jesus etc So nothing unique or scientific about what you're doing.

If you want to claim scientific, then begin by providing scientific explanation of how exactly your own generation of sound frequencies has helped you to cure cancer or any other illnesses and you will be taken seriously.

Stop mentioning non members of Eckankar. Tesla and the rest have provided practical demonstrations and explanations of what they do. Please discontinue from hijacking the successes of non eckist as evidence. Provide your own.

triplechoice:
. Another attempt to deflect from the topic. We're talking about your use of frequencies as evidence that Eckankar is completely scientific, not God as as atoms or protons .Please focus on your op

Oh there is infact. That it speaks of stuff which science today calls "remote viewing" and also uses sounds which science today applies as HAARP gives you a clear line of sight at things, except of course if you have that log of wood in your eyes.

There's nothing in the sciences that says you should aspire to become a mystic once you become "advanced" in it . So I don't understand the reason for this irrelevant talk

When they use technology to achieve something similar to what Eckists call "Soul Travel", they of their own volition sudden realize "boy, there is something out there". From Atheism, the become mystics straight believers! This is what this OP meant by "advanced physicists become mystics". It's not via evangelism... or blind belief

In 1999, the National Institute of Health Published a a paper in the use of Vibroacoustic therapy for addressing pain and symptoms which accompany anxiety and depression with positive results.

Being a mystic is a personal decision and nothing to do with the sciences.
. Another vague talk. Please what's "obsolete science" and give instances where I have played that.

Very true, but when in your sciencing, you touch 'high tension' as explained in the above paragraphs, you have to bend low.

I am reluctant to lead you to real science sources, I would have pointed you to another direction again on how far science are bridging the gap between religion and science. I will focus on your preferred prejudice with Eckankar however.

The issue is that your frustration in not being able to prove your claim is the reason you're trying to put the blame on me, which is very unfair. I'm
not " lagging behind" . Prove that what you do is completely scientific and you shut me up. That's all.

I have , the problem I am facing is the one I have been facing. For instance, I will give you another link. Again.

This time, the source is the CIA. It pertain to a research they conducted on how a human can cause things to manifest from thin air. I. Other words, do a "miracle". To summarize it, one has to combine their right and left part of their brain to become one, as in Jesus saying "except thine eyes become single, thou shall not enter the kingdom of God" or so.

More summary: for one to achieve this 'Hemispheric sync' or "HemiSync" of the brain, one has to use frequencies. I. Layman terms, one sings HU or pay money to use the product in Hemi-sync.com (which the very CIA referenced in the below research findings )


CIA (.gov)
https://www.cia.gov › docsPDF
ANALYSIS AND ASSESSMENT OF GATEWAY PROCESS.

Pleas come back and let's talk o. I have provided several of these resources in the past and you have this knack of carrying the log of wood in your eyes.

No. I'm not behind. You have a problem of not realizing that you're trying too hard to conflate two unlike things as the same. Effects created by machines cannot be exactly the same as those of humans. Those machines you mentioned aren't answering any prayers or helping you to travel anywhere real. Everything at the end of the day,is all in your head.



. Sciences that you claim is doing "catching up" has produced stuffs that has greatly improved how we live our lives, while you and the organization you belong to is yet to come up with anything tangible which the whole world can benefit from by using it in their daily lives. You sure like to deceive yourself and you're very good in doing that.

Let me tell you something. You see that research above by the CIA? This was in the 1940s o. We're not even talking of what they and others know behind the scenes that is yet to make it's way to Textbook you're still waiting for or spiting in order for it to reach Eckankar...

See, Eckankar has its own benefit, but not something to be compared to what mainstream scientist are doing.
You're the one "conjuring" resources from online propaganda sources together with your deceptive tactics to deceive the gullible . And you just did that up there .

The world has since moved beyond mainstream science. The are heading towards Eckankar real fast.

First they move without moving (Remote Viewing), Second, they play sounds to put themselves in certain states of consciousness as I. That CIA document, Rife, etc.
Third the techs which run HAARP, MRI, etc are all frequency-based. You're the one still here sir.

The bolded is your mentioning yourself, (" we, eckist" )alongside prominent scientist to give the false impression that you're doing the same thing as them and so ,shouldn't be criticized as a pseudoscientist.. Tesla and the others aren't pseudoscientists.At different times in the past, they have been able to provide the whole world with practical demonstrations of what they do using any kind of frequency . You on your part haven't been able to do so, yet you continue to delude yourself that you're a top scientist . You are engaged in masturbation.

Oh billions of people in Eckankar, Bhudism and similar paths have caught the word the use of sound for any goal out there. It has been used in healing, to power machines, etc much like Tesla. No effort from you can prove otherwise .

In the other thread, you attempted the same deceit by mentioning and discussing the fictitious masters ,with dubious history created by Paul Twitchell, alongside well known historical personages to mislead the public that Rebazar tarz and Gopal das were real beings who sometimes lived in the past.


Why should you expect to hear from me when you're yet to provide any such evidences. The link you shared for the evidence is invalid or not connecting to anything. It's showing "access denied" Please go through it yourself and screenshot the part that report the arrest and let me read the actual reason for the arrest. I doubt if anyone will be arrested for coming up with a cure for cancer. It's only when the person is selling snake oil as cure for cancer or if the product is not registered with regulatory authorities that an arrest can happen. So provide the actual reason for the arrest.

Here is the link again.

https://www.rife.de/an-interview-with-rife.html

BTW how does it even prove that Eckankar is completely scientific. A non member of Eckankar is arrested for cancer treatment and it's prove Eckankar is completely scientific. Wetin be dat?

Na wetim we dey talk since, but something no gree you understand. That it's a science which anyone can try to replicate anywhere without need for referencing or affiliation .

Eckists just need to say oya, go and try this. The CIA now happened on it and another company a multi-million dollar company runs by selling these sounds all HU-sounding to people on Hemi-sync.com

Which point and which prejudice? I have no prejudice against Eckankar, but telling it the way it's. It's a spiritual path that can provide some benefits to anyone who wants to try it out, and not what you're trying to claim it's.

Singing Hu to generate sound frequencies is not evidence that you're a top scientist or that
Eckankar is completely scientific. Anyone can produce sound frequencies by singing any word; Love, aum, ra, God , Jesus etc So nothing unique or scientific about what you're doing.

If you want to claim scientific, then begin by providing scientific explanation of how exactly your own generation of sound frequencies has helped you to cure cancer or any other illnesses and you will be taken seriously.

Stop mentioning non members of Eckankar. Tesla and the rest have provided practical demonstrations and explanations of what they do. Please discontinue from hijacking the successes of non eckist as evidence. Provide your own.

Oya the CIA and Hemi Sync and Rife had explained why Eckist use sound frequencies.

Oya call the CIA, Eckankar and Hemisync pseudosciences. Call the American National Institute of Health Pseudoscientists

Digest and come back sir. Thank you very much. I have one job: tomorrow to you that you are today simply rejecting a science because paths like Eckankar are pioneering it.

Na him make them dey leave you behind

chieveboy:
Oh there is infact. That it speaks of stuff which science today calls "remote viewing" and also uses sounds which science today applies as HAARP gives you a clear line of sight at things, except of course if you have that log of wood in your eyes.



When they use technology to achieve something similar to what Eckists call "Soul Travel", they of their own volition sudden realize "boy, there is something out there". From Atheism, the become mystics straight believers! This is what this OP meant by "advanced physicists become mystics". It's not via evangelism... or blind belief

In 1999, the National Institute of Health Published a a paper in the use of Vibroacoustic therapy for addressing pain and symptoms which accompany anxiety and depression with positive results.




Very true, but when in your sciencing, you touch 'high tension' as explained in the above paragraphs, you have to bend low.

I am reluctant to lead you to real science sources, I would have pointed you to another direction again on how far science are bridging the gap between religion and science. I will focus on your preferred prejudice with Eckankar however.




I have , the problem I am facing is the one I have been facing. For instance, I will give you another link. Again.

This time, the source is the CIA. It pertain to a research they conducted on how a human can cause things to manifest from thin air. I. Other words, do a "miracle". To summarize it, one has to combine their right and left part of their brain to become one, as in Jesus saying "except thine eyes become single, thou shall not enter the kingdom of God" or so.

More summary: for one to achieve this 'Hemispheric sync' or "HemiSync" of the brain, one has to use frequencies. I. Layman terms, one sings HU or pay money to use the product in Hemi-sync.com (which the very CIA referenced in the below research findings )


CIA (.gov)
https://www.cia.gov › docsPDF
ANALYSIS AND ASSESSMENT OF GATEWAY PROCESS.

Pleas come back and let's talk o. I have provided several of these resources in the past and you have this knack of carrying the log of wood in your eyes.



Let me tell you something. You see that research above by the CIA? This was in the 1940s o. We're not even talking of what they and others know behind the scenes that is yet to make it's way to Textbook you're still waiting for or spiting in order for it to reach Eckankar...



The world has since moved beyond mainstream science. The are heading towards Eckankar real fast.

First they move without moving (Remote Viewing), Second, they play sounds to put themselves in certain states of consciousness as I. That CIA document, Rife, etc.
Third the techs which run HAARP, MRI, etc are all frequency-based. You're the one still here sir.




Oh billions of people in Eckankar, Bhudism and similar paths have caught the word the use of sound for any goal out there. It has been used in healing, to power machines, etc much like Tesla. No effort from you can prove otherwise .



Here is the link again.

https://www.rife.de/an-interview-with-rife.html



Na wetim we dey talk since, but something no gree you understand. That it's a science which anyone can try to replicate anywhere without need for referencing or affiliation .

Eckists just need to say oya, go and try this. The CIA now happened on it and another company a multi-million dollar company runs by selling these sounds all HU-sounding to people on Hemi-sync.com



Oya the CIA and Hemi Sync and Ride has explained why Eckist use sound frequencies.

Oya call the CIA, Eckankar and Hemisync pseudoscience. Call the American National Institute of Health Pseudoscientists

Digest and come back sir. Thank you very much. I have one job: tomorrow to you that you are today simply rejecting a science because paths like Eckankar are pioneering it.

Na him make them dey leave you behind

This thread is quite educative and thought provoking.

I have seen the CIA document about Hemi Syncing.

The Monroe Institute has some serious research around HemiSync where the left and right hemispheres of the brain are "synced" to create states of awareness similar to what Monks can achieve in deep meditation.

I have also read about remote viewing and how the CIA and other intelligence organizations around the world use it to peer into the past and future - all they need are just coordinates.

I have read about Ingo Swann and his great strides with remote viewing.

I have also read a CIA document where during a remote viewing session, the viewer traveled to the planet Mars and reportedly conversed with some Martians - I kid you not.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

oteneaaron:
This thread is quite educative and thought provoking.

I have seen the CIA document about Hemi Syncing.

The Monroe Institute has some serious research around HemiSync where the left and right hemispheres of the brain are "synced" to create states of awareness similar to what Monks can achieve in deep meditation.

I have also read about remote viewing and how the CIA and other intelligence organizations around the world use it to peer into the past and future - all they need are just coordinates.

I have read about Ingo Swann and his great strides with remote viewing.

I have also read a CIA document where during a remote viewing session, the viewer traveled to the planet Mars and reportedly conversed with some Martians - I kid you not.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

i still dont think water proves the universe exists


I mean, time has 2 be constant.

Y shud we say time started sumtin billion years ago?

Time is the reason 4 sumtin 2 start or end .


That doesnt mean anything that is must av a starting or an ending

If u say it must,then u av baseless talk like we cant determine anything beyond xyz years ago.

Whether we know shit abt it or not,there must always be sumtin so here cant be all that exists.


There cant be the totality of existence/universe


There has 2 be the infinity of things in existence or the infinity of existence.

oteneaaron:
This thread is quite educative and thought provoking.

I have seen the CIA document about Hemi Syncing.

The Monroe Institute has some serious research around HemiSync where the left and right hemispheres of the brain are "synced" to create states of awareness similar to what Monks can achieve in deep meditation.

I have also read about remote viewing and how the CIA and other intelligence organizations around the world use it to peer into the past and future - all they need are just coordinates.

I have read about Ingo Swann and his great strides with remote viewing.

I have also read a CIA document where during a remote viewing session, the viewer traveled to the planet Mars and reportedly conversed with some Martians - I kid you not.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

Thanks bro. Most of the guys at The Monroe Institute have been contractors for the US military on these 'soft technologies'. The things they have applied it on is beyond belief.

Joe McMoneagle especially runs a "security" company around Remote Viewing.

The enabling "technology" around it all (remote viewing, Hemispheric synchronization) is nothing more than Sound which any one who 'get it's can reproduce with their God-given mouth and vocal cords.

Triplechoice, should we call it quits with your silence equalling a concession based on the volume of evidence shared in my latest response to your request for scientific evidence of the claim of this thread?


I shared two vital links. First is evidence of an incarceration...

The second one is starring at you in the face...

chieveboy:
Triplechoice, should we call it quits with your silence equalling a concession based on the volume of evidence shared in my latest response to your request for scientific evidence of the claim of this thread?


I shared two vital links. First is evidence of an incarceration...

The second one is starring at you in the face...

You have misinterpreted my silence. I ignored you because, instead of responding directly, you were trying to muddle the waters with your convoluted explanations and deflections into matters that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject under discussion. For instance,Who's discussing remote viewing with you? Me or someone else?

Well, you're yet to share scientific evidence concerning your claims about the spiritual exercises of Eckankar. You think you have because you have a very casual and stubborn understanding of what scientific evidence is.

Once something is declared as scientific evidence , it's automatically accepted by nearly everyone within the scientific community as scientific truth .

How many mainstream scientist has publicly affirm that sound frequencies generated from signing Hu can attack and destroy cancer cells or cure any other illnesses?

Which reputable scientific journal has published your claims about the spiritual exercises of Eckankar?


Your so called scientific evidence only exist in a personal blog owned by people with an obvious bias for the product they've seeking to promote as effective cure for cancer . That's not scientific evidence, chieveboy.

Scientific evidences are arrived at through rigorous testing and experimentation .And we trust them because reputable scientists from different parts of the world have conducted the same experiment to arrive at the same conclusion.

However, there are certain truths about the world that we live in that has no scientific support or explanation yet. So , If you want to be honest about your promotion of the spiritual exercises ,just declare that singing Hu, even though not scientifically proven , could result in miraculous outcomes, and nobody will dispute your claim strongly . The informed public can only ask for evidence , not scientific evidence,.

You contradict yourself each time you declare that something tagged "spiritual exercise" is completely scientific . If it's spiritual, then it's not scientific not to talk of it being completely scientific.Yes!

The links to CIA investigation of the paranormal doesn't validate your claim. I'm not debating remote viewing or OBE with you. So I can't see the point of you bringing that in.


You're desperately using everything you can lay your hands on to convince someone like me who was once involved in the teachings of Eckankar for over a period of 10 years and you think know what you're doing. No. you don't.

Look at how you continue hang on to the "arrest" of a non member of Eckankar as evidence that the spiritual exercises of Eckankar are what you claim it's . The reason I insisted on evidence for the arrest is just to confirm your story. That's all.

If not that you mentioned me here I wouldn't have gotten involved. But you choose to drag me into something you can't defend .

The task before you is very simple; Provide evidence, not scientific evidence, that you or anyone else can sing Hu instead of prayer to cure cancer and any other illnesses without needing medical attention from an orthodox medical practitioner.

Then later you can talk about the science behind it. This is what you should present to your followers,not me . I know what the singing of Hu can do and not do as well as why it can do what it can do.

It's not what you think.

Modified. Please respond only to the bolded in your reply.

triplechoice:
You have misinterpreted my silence. I ignored you because, instead of responding directly, you were trying to muddle the waters with your convoluted explanations and deflections into matters that has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject under discussion. For instance,Who's discussing remote viewing with you? Me or someone else?

Well, you're yet to share scientific evidence concerning your claims about the spiritual exercises of Eckankar. You think you have because you have a very casual and stubborn understanding of what scientific evidence is.

Once something is declared as scientific evidence , it's automatically accepted by nearly everyone within the scientific community as scientific truth .

How many mainstream scientist has publicly affirm that sound frequencies generated from signing Hu can attack and destroy cancer cells or cure any other illnesses?

Which reputable scientific journal has published your claims about the spiritual exercises of Eckankar?


Your so called scientific evidence only exist in a personal blog owned by people with an obvious bias for the product they've seeking to promote as effective cure for cancer . That's not scientific evidence, chieveboy.

Scientific evidences are arrived at through rigorous testing and experimentation .And we trust them because reputable scientists from different parts of the world have conducted the same experiment to arrive at the same conclusion.

However, there are certain truths about the world that we live in that has no scientific support or explanation yet. So , If you want to be honest about your promotion of the spiritual exercises ,just declare that singing Hu, even though not scientifically proven , could result in miraculous outcomes, and nobody will dispute your claim strongly . The informed public can only ask for evidence , not scientific evidence,.

You contradict yourself each time you declare that something tagged "spiritual exercise" is completely scientific . If it's spiritual, then it's not scientific not to talk of it being completely scientific.Yes!

The links to CIA investigation of the paranormal doesn't validate your claim. I'm not debating remote viewing or OBE with you. So I can't see the point of you bringing that in.


You're desperately using everything you can lay your hands on to convince someone like me who was once involved in the teachings of Eckankar for over a period of 10 years and you think know what you're doing. No. you don't.

Look at how you continue hang on to the "arrest" of a non member of Eckankar as evidence that the spiritual exercises of Eckankar are what you claim it's . The reason I insisted on evidence for the arrest is just to confirm your story. That's all.

If not that you mentioned me here I wouldn't have gotten involved. But you choose to drag me into something you can't defend .

The task before you is very simple; Provide evidence, not scientific evidence, that you or anyone else can sing Hu instead of prayer to cure cancer and any other illnesses without needing medical attention from an orthodox medical practitioner.

Then later you can talk about the science behind it. This is what you should present to your followers,not me . I know what the singing of Hu can do and not do as well as why it can do what it can do.

It's not what you think.

Modified. Please respond only to the bolded in your reply.

1: I made this thread about the science of why Eckists use Sounds instead of prayer...

2: I you said it wasn't science, it's pseudoscience...

3: I told you science is catching up with the more advanced science of Sound. I provided links... You said it's no science...even with the CIA scientists involved...

4: You argued Science has nothing to do with mysticism, and Eckankar has not link with science, I then 'sammered' you that CIA linked which takes science straight to mysticism even with the idea of "remote viewing" "mantras"... You didn't read it, you wouldn't.

5: I told you that Sound, the very technology the whole of Eckankar is hinged on is used to reverse diseases giving you video prove of the science at play (without the need for endless "papers", you said it was false, that even the pioneer of that science (Rife) was a "pseudoscientist".

The task before you is very simple; Provide evidence, not scientific evidence, that you or anyone else can sing Hu instead of prayer to cure cancer and any other illnesses without needing medical attention from an orthodox medical practitioner.

Since you conceded to the use of "non-scientific" proof, you can go interview several people who have used it to cure ailments like Cancer. Their testaments are the proofs.

Moreover, you cynically are making a futile attempt at downplaying something here:

Hemisync, the CIA and Rife use the fundamental tool of Sound to deal with almost about anything be it curing a disease or manifesting a thought or Remote Viewing.

Eckankar for the use of Sound used to be known as the "religion of the Sound..." Not "word" or "name", "SOUND".

So if Eckankar uses sound for healing (ala Rife), Soul Travel (Ala CIA Remote viewing) and you're not getting anything in the line of "Science catching up to Eckankar and other mystic paths", then we clearly can see the inconsequential prejudice I earlier hinted at.

6: May be what I didn't do for you to get it is align with your earlier assertion that anyone can make any sound. Yes! The machines which produce the frequencies used in miraculous scientific operations like in HAARP, Rife, Hemisync, Vibroacoustic Healing are all mimicry of what a human can produce with their oral orifices in combination with their 'entero-myofacials'

Summary: Eckankar use sound, Science is catching up.

chieveboy:
1: I made this thread about the science of why Eckists use Sounds instead of prayer...

2: I you said it wasn't science, it's pseudoscience...

3: I told you science is catching up with the more advanced science of Sound. I provided links... You said it's no science...even with the CIA scientists involved...

4: You argued Science has nothing to do with mysticism, and Eckankar has not link with science, I then 'sammered' you that CIA linked which takes science straight to mysticism even with the idea of "remote viewing" "mantras"... You didn't read it, you wouldn't.

5: I told you that Sound, the very technology the whole of Eckankar is hinged on is used to reverse diseases giving you video prove of the science at play (without the need for endless "papers", you said it was false, that even the pioneer of that science (Rife) was a "pseudoscientist".




Since you conceded to the use of "non-scientific" proof, you can go interview several people who have used it to cure ailments like Cancer. Their testaments are the proofs.

Moreover, you cynically are making a futile attempt at downplaying something here:

Hemisync, the CIA and Rife use the fundamental tool of Sound to deal with almost about anything be it curing a disease or manifesting a thought or Remote Viewing.

Eckankar for the use of Sound used to be known as the "religion of the Sound..." Not "word" or "name", "SOUND".

So if Eckankar uses sound for healing (ala Rife), Soul Travel (Ala CIA Remote viewing) and you're not getting anything in the line of "Science catching up to Eckankar and other mystic paths", then we clearly can see the inconsequential prejudice I earlier hinted at.

6: May be what I didn't do for you to get it is align with your earlier assertion that anyone can make any sound. Yes! The machines which produce the frequencies used in miraculous scientific operations like in HAARP, Rife, Hemisync, Vibroacoustic Healing are all mimicry of what a human can produce with their oral orifices in combination with their 'entero-myofacials'

Summary: Eckankar use sound, Science is catching up.

It's not my responsibility to provide proof for your claims. Share your own experience and those of others you know doing the same thing so your followers can believe you.

In the other thread you shared enough stories of people meeting with the Eck masters as proof of their existence.

Why's this one different.? Chieveboy.


The CIA and the others you mentioned aren't doing the same thing as you. You think it's the same because of the word ,frequency. It's not

All that you have doing is to compare apples with oranges because of the word, frequency

If you think you're doing the same thing as Tesla and the other scientists you mentioned what's stopping you from also claiming that sound frequencies generated through singing Hu can also be used to control your TV set like a remote control using infrared frequency .

You have been using the word, science or completely scientific unconsciously to describe
the spiritual practices of Eckankar, and haven't been able to question it for once because of how the religion was introduced to you at the beginning.



The spiritual cannot be described as completely scientific. If Eckankar " spiritual practices have become completely scientific according to you then the religion has become a scientific organization .

So stop calling it the religion of the light and sound , if not you're contradicting yourself.

triplechoice:
It's not my responsibility to provide proof for your claims. Share your own experience and those of others you know doing the same thing so your followers can believe you.

In the other thread you shared enough stories of people meeting with the Eck masters as proof of their existence.

Why's this one different.? Chieveboy.


The CIA and the others you mentioned aren't doing the same thing as you. You think it's the same because of the word ,frequency. It's not

All that you have doing is to compare apples with oranges because of the word, frequency

If you think you're doing the same thing as Tesla and the other scientists you mentioned what's stopping you from also claiming that sound frequencies generated through singing Hu can also be used to control your TV set like a remote control using infrared frequency .

You have been using the word, science or completely scientific unconsciously to describe
the spiritual practices of Eckankar, and haven't been able to question it for once because of how the religion was introduced to you at the beginning.



The spiritual cannot be described as completely scientific. If Eckankar " spiritual practices have become completely scientific according to you then the religion has become a scientific organization .

So stop calling it the religion of the light and sound , if not you're contradicting yourself.

I see. This now boils down to how much you missed while studying Eck.

Did you hear about HU being the primal sound responsible for all sounds?

Did you hear the masters talking about the sound of rushing winds, thunder,etc as other sounds one hears that are of the HU?

What the do you think is being used to heal people and expand consciousness in either Soul Travel or Remote View by Eckankar/CIA or the Monroe Institute and Rife?

What did Eckankar teach you about Sound since you claimed to have been a student of?

If you missed it: Sound is the base for manifestation (quarks, quanta, atom, matter). There is the primal or Original Sound/Frequency. Think 'String Theory'. From this sound, a modulation and transponding occurs birthing other sounds and frequency. Eckankar teaches you that HU is that sound. Science will catch up with this reality too.

So when the CIA, Rife, Tesla etc use any frequency to heal, cause earthquakes, remote view, they are essentially modulating the primal sound HU.

If you buy any of the materials the Monroe Institute uses, most of the sound is the same HU you will hear

For your watching pleasure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwsGULCvMBk

chieveboy:
I see. This now boils down to how much you missed while studying Eck.

Did you hear about HU being the primal sound responsible for all sounds?

Did you hear the masters talking about the sound of rushing winds, thunder,etc as other sounds one hears that are of the HU?

What the do you think is being used to heal people and expand consciousness in either Soul Travel or Remote View by Eckankar/CIA or the Monroe Institute and Rife?

What did Eckankar teach you about Sound since you claimed to have been a student of?

If you missed it: Sound is the base for manifestation (quarks, quanta, atom, matter). There is the primal or Original Sound/Frequency. Think 'String Theory'. From this sound, a modulation and transponding occurs birthing other sounds and frequency. Eckankar teaches you that HU is that sound. Science will catch up with this reality too.

So when the CIA, Rife, Tesla etc use any frequency to heal, cause earthquakes, remote view, they are essentially modulating the primal sound HU.

If you buy any of the materials the Monroe Institute uses, most of the sound is the same HU you will hear

For your watching pleasure:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwsGULCvMBk

Hehehe. You have now turned to questioning by past involvement in eckankar after failing to provide scientific support for your outlandish claims.

1. If you have the courage, which I don't think you have, to leave eckankar , what you stand to gain after ,is much more than what you think you would miss . I don't miss anything I'm only grateful for what I learnt both good and bad.That's all.

Contrary to what you have been made to believe ,the Hu is not the primal sound behind all sound. That claim was a lie concocted by Paul Twitchell to promote Hu as the ultimate so eckist can take pride they're doing the right thing and put their heart to It. It's simple psychology. If you're made to accept that something is the best, you tend to go for it while abandoning others . It's not different from "Jesus is the only way"My mantra is the only way " The same kind of lie told differently.

The claim about the Hu is not scientifically possible.No sound can be behind all sound because each sound gives out its own unique frequency or vibration when produced.So ,It's all empty talk to deceive the gullible. Have you conducted any scientific experiment to determine the truthfulness about what you have told about Hu. No. You haven't. You just believe as a true believer.

You're hallucinating if you think you're perceiving Hu behind any other sound.

2. You created a thread titled " The science Why eckist don't pray" and quoted me . I responded to your mention by asking for the science and its explanation.

From that time till now, never for once have you answered the question directly.

The inventions by Tesla and the investigation carried out by the CIA into the paranormal doesn't validate your claim about singing Hu .

But If you think they' do, good for you. I'm not accepting it. It's your choice want you to accept and deceive yourself with.

Just focus on the Op and stop making wild guesses and wayward speculations about my past involvement with Eckankar . You imagine or you have been told that no one can abandon the religion after having certain nner experience with the master.The same thing I once believed with all my heart is what you want to use against me . You make me laugh.

A lot of the so called inner experiences which forms the foundation of your faith(, I experienced them myself, )are products of illusions and lies imbedded in some of the images and fantasy tied to the spiritual exercises. You don't know this because you never did adequate research before joining. Eckankar can distort your reality if you're not very careful. Go and learn from other ex members if you doubt me.


Yes , you can approach the spiritual exercises scientifically by taking records of your experiences in order to evaluate them later to determine if you're making progress or not . But to label the exercises as completely scientific is foolish talk .

Believe is what makes it work. Material science is not based on that

triplechoice:
Hehehe. You have now turned to questioning by past involvement in eckankar after failing to provide scientific support for your outlandish claims.

1. If you have the courage, which I don't think you have, to leave eckankar , what you stand to gain after ,is much more than what you think you would miss . I don't miss anything I'm only grateful for what I learnt both good and bad.That's all.

This man, you think you're talking to your child .
Anyways lol , I have left it several times in my past lives. I am sure past lives are not "scientifically possible" so I give up

Contrary to what you have been made to believe ,the Hu is not the primal sound behind all sound. That claim was a lie concocted by Paul Twitchell to promote Hu as the ultimate so eckist can take pride they're doing the right thing and put their heart to It. It's simple psychology. If you're made to accept that something is the best, you tend to go for it while abandoning others . It's not different from "Jesus is the only way"My mantra is the only way " The same kind of lie told differently.

The claim about the Hu is not scientifically possible.No sound can be behind all sound because each sound gives out its own unique frequency or vibration when produced.So ,It's all empty talk to deceive the gullible. Have you conducted any scientific experiment to determine the truthfulness about what you have told about Hu. No. You haven't. You just believe as a true believer.

I was sure you would typically mention that HU is not the primal sound. It was a big let-off revealing some ignorance on the physics of the very fringe of what scientists call the String Theory.

A dead giveaway on how it is scientifically possible to have a primal sound is how a guitar string produces different sounds when transposed. I won't blame you, be rest assured that science will reach there.

You remember how in the Eck works this keeps getting mentioned that science will catch up with spiritual stuff? Like spiritual cities on earth and so on?

2. You created a thread titled " The science Why eckist don't pray" and quoted me . I responded to your mention by asking for the science and its explanation.

From that time till now, never for once have you answered the question directly.

The inventions by Tesla and the investigation carried out by the CIA into the paranormal doesn't validate your claim about singing Hu .

But If you think they' do, good for you. I'm not accepting it. It's your choice want you to accept and deceive yourself with.

Yea, that's the best for you. Do not accept it

Just focus on the Op and stop making wild guesses and wayward speculations about my past involvement with Eckankar . You imagine or you have been told that no one can abandon the religion after having certain nner experience with the master.The same thing I once believed with all my heart is what you want to use against me . You make me laugh.

Imagine what? You were giving yourself off and I was seeing things as they are man, and this was about your comments about the HU which Eckankar never made claim of owning. More so on your apparent ignorance of the existence of scientific evidence on the dynamics of Sound Technology be it soft or hard.

Who said people don't leave Eckankar? Do you have a contract to never leave or what? What are you saying really?

I really don't want to let you in on my romance with Eckankar even before you heard of it or it being known today as Eckankar. At a time before the 1800s, it was just a few folks on the outer path. It is not a contest on membership or crowd. You of all should know this.

I will not take away from you your own experience with It, but oga sir, no be today we started joining and leaving Eckankar if that's what you meant.

A lot of the so called inner experiences which forms the foundation of your faith(, I experienced them myself, )are products of illusions and lies imbedded in some of the images and fantasy tied to the spiritual exercises. You don't know this because you never did adequate research before joining. Eckankar can distort your reality if you're not very careful. Go and learn from other ex members if you doubt me.

I think you're toddler as far as understanding 'inner experiences' are concerned, no offence.

You have this knack... And it's the futility for me:

You want us to start another long subject ?
Jung, and hundreds of psychologist and too many Scientific, mythology institutions have beaten this subject up even for the lay man that yes, people have 'inner experiences' starting with dreams for Pete's sake, going further to 'remote viewing' so much that a whole government agency is built around that feat. These inner experience have been found to align with 'reality' in all of its ramification for a human.

You just took that "it's all illusion" without grasping the thing very well. A spoon is another "illusion" and it is not. That's how that statement works sir.

Here in this quote, the Almighty Triplechoice is writing inner experiences off as "lies"in a vain effort to spite Eckankar when more serious people have grasped and put millions of information about.

Can you now see the infantility in that attempt?

Yes , you can approach the spiritual exercises scientifically by taking records of your experiences in order to evaluate them later to determine if you're making progress or not . But to label the exercises as completely scientific is foolish talk .

Here again you miss the whole etymology of the word "science", but even at that, the very act of "evaluating experience to measure progress" is the same method employed by the kind of science you acknowledge as science employs to investigate the paranormal especially on matters of consciousness because no material tool for that currently exists.

Heck I recall you once sent me one link to validate your idea of how science on such matter is conducted which employs interviews for scientification.

I have laid out to the audience the science behind Eckists using sound instead of speech.

I was able to present scientific backing to the efficacy of such practice thereby bridging science with mysticism. I presented videos, research papers and all to back that.

The aforementioned are my goals and objectives for the thread.

Believe is what makes it work. Material science is not based on that

You seem am? "Material science is not based on that". Material science had crossed over sir. They require the believe element for the more serious sciencing. It is the 4th dimension or element.

I know this one will give you a hard time.