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FxMasterz:
I told your brothers that you have a new light

This is your mischief!

Maybe you need the spiritual meaning of the word "LIGHT"

First of all LIGHT literally means something that all the people see together at once so the word NEW connotes another color but in Bible terms it's said to be GETTING BRIGHTER so it's only the LIGHT himself {Revelations 22:16 compare to Proverbs 4:18} who declares it not any member of his organization.

So calling PERSONAL discovery of a member of the congregation NEW LIGHT means you don't understand what it means because it can't be light if only me discovered it through personal research!

FxMasterz:
When did I tell you not to mention me again? Was it in your dream? Quote where I ever said that.

So, you mean that in order to validate the Bible, you need to lie about the Bible to make it true? A lie is a lie even if you told it to validate God. God would never support it. Listen, no one needs to help validate the Bible. The Worst of God in the Bible validated itself. The Word of God in the Bible is a living Being. He validated Himself. The Bible is just the medium through which men access the Word of God. The Bible is written by men who are imperfect. But the Word of God is God. The Word of God does not originate with men. It is Perfect.

You don't know what you're saying
Old man like you

Who's the body of Christ?
If you say all Christians, why is there serious contradictions in beliefs and practices

You were the one that failed to answer a Muslim trying to discredit God's word and you said it was a mistake
Shame on you Sir

FxMasterz:
John had a wrong expectation but he never preached it!

He never preached it shey?

So why exactly was the Christian couple called Aquila and Priscilla correcting one of the disciples of John the baptist? Act 18:24-26

FxMasterz:
Now, regarding the Body of Christ. It did not start with Russel. The Body of Christ is bigger than any human organization. Meditate on that.

Who said it started with Russell
I see you've sold your reasoning to apostates who spit on your head and you're now trying to impress them
Continue

Pls don't tag me again
Especially in this thread

FxMasterz:
The body of Christ is a spiritual body. Why are you so ignorant?

SPIRITUAL BODY?

Well the scriptures say it's PHYSICAL BODY that could be seen by people far and near:

And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, to build up the body of the Christ. Ephesians 4:11-12

So it's the CONGREGATION as a whole that represents the BODY of Christ! Act 1:8

Say another thing!

Now the advisee and the adviser have returned to same thread

MaxInDHouse:
SPIRITUAL BODY?

Well the scriptures say it's PHYSICAL BODY that could be seen by people far and near:

And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers, with a view to the readjustment of the holy ones, for ministerial work, to build up the body of the Christ. Ephesians 4:11-12

So it's the CONGREGATION as a whole that represents the BODY of Christ! Act 1:8

Say another thing!

You're talking about Christ at His coming. But you seem not to know that the Church is Christ's body as well.


Ephesians 1:22-23

"God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church. And the church is his body; it is made full and complete by Christ, who fills all things everywhere with himself."

Please calm down, listen to us, and cure yourself of your crass ignorance.

Aemmyjah:
Who said it started with Russell
I see you've sold your reasoning to apostates who spit on your head and you're now trying to impress them
Continue

Pls don't tag me again
Especially in this thread

If it didn't start with Russel, then why do you refer to the organization created by Russel as Christ's body?

FxMasterz:
You're talking about Christ at His coming. But you seem not to know that the Church is Christ's body as well.

So how is the CHURCH that's visible to all SPIRITUAL?

Àbí you don't know what a spirit means again?

Aemmyjah:
Who said it started with Russell
I see you've sold your reasoning to apostates who spit on your head and you're now trying to impress them
Continue

Pls don't tag me again
Especially in this thread

Quote exactly what they corrected John's disciple about. Did they correct him on errors regarding the submission to a coming Kingdom? Quote what they corrected him about please, direct from the scriptures!

From 1914 Jesus began his restructuring work to get his disciples back to the assignment he gave them in the first century as Satan has used his agents to disrupt the work over the centuries {Luke 18:8} the only group that's ready for correction was the International Bible Students Association known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION.

Before 1914 this group never intended to form a religion or church of their own rather they were going to all the existing religions back then to show them what they discovered in their research work.

So when Jesus arrived as a mighty Spirit King there was no single religion doing the work he commissioned in the first century and none was ready to make adjustments so he started working with the International Bible Students Association that's why their understanding began to improve gradually until what we have today.

Most people don't even know that back then JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES used to celebrate Christmas until the year 1926 as Jesus was gradually correcting them!

Aemmyjah:
You don't know what you're saying
Old man like you

Who's the body of Christ?
If you say all Christians, why is there serious contradictions in beliefs and practices

You were the one that failed to answer a Muslim trying to discredit God's word and you said it was a mistake
Shame on you Sir

Ephesians 1:22-23

"God has put all things under the authority of Christ and has made him head over all things for the benefit of the church. And the church is his body; it is made full and complete by Christ, who fills all things everywhere with himself."

I think the above scripture is self explanatory. That should lay the matter to rest about the church being Christ's Body. I didn't say it. It's the Bible.

Regarding the Mark issue, I even found that Mark didn't make any mistake in my further research. I discovered that while we read that David net Ahimelech in 1 Samuel, it was Abiathar that was recorded in Kings/Chronicles. Mark definitely based his narration on the Kings/Chronicles account. Therefore, it must be that Ahimelech also bears the name Abiathar, and he also gave that name to his son.

Regarding the above findings, you lied to defend the Bible to bring the word Epic to replace epi in the original texts. But I spoke the truth to the best of my knowledge. I thought Mark erred. God saw my sincerity and rewarded me with the knowledge of what really happened. That's better than lying. While you still carry on with your lies by interpreting Epi as as Epic to suit yourself.

MaxInDHouse:
This is your mischief!

Maybe you need the spiritual meaning of the word "LIGHT"

First of all LIGHT literally means something that all the people see together at once so the word NEW connotes another color but in Bible terms it's said to be GETTING BRIGHTER so it's only the LIGHT himself {Revelations 22:16 compare to Proverbs 4:18} who declares it not any member of his organization.

So calling PERSONAL discovery of a member of the congregation NEW LIGHT means you don't understand what it means because it can't be light if only me discovered it through personal research!

My dear, Light means Revelation. That's all. If you have a different meaning for it in your organization then I'll understand that I was supposed to tell them you got a new revelation.

You can have revelation through personal study.

FxMasterz:
My dear, Light means Revelation. That's all. If you have a different meaning for it in your organization then I'll understand that I was supposed to tell them you got a new revelation.

Revelation is what Jesus revealed to the BODY not individuals each must do his own personal research to grasp what is happening just as Beroeans did in the first century there were Christians in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Phillipi, Colossea and Thessalonica when the apostles said Beroeans did their own research to figure out what was happening.

So what the Beroeans discovered in their research can't be called New light or Revelation otherwise the Beroeans will become the ones teaching Christians in other lands instead of the Apostles and Older men in Jerusalem.

Do you understand now?

MaxInDHouse:
So how is the CHURCH that's visible to all SPIRITUAL?

Àbí you don't know what a spirit means again?

My God, the Church is not visible, otherwise everyone would know the Church. Christ's church is spiritual. Christ Himself is Spiritual right now and so is His Body. That is why we partake of a spiritual food and not physical food.

MaxInDHouse:
Revelation is what Jesus revealed to the BODY not individuals each must do his own personal research to grasp what is happening just as Beroeans did in the first century there were Christians in Rome, Corinth, Galatia, Ephesus, Phillipi, Colossea and Thessalonica when the apostles said Beroeans did their own research to figure out what was happening.

So what the Beroeans discovered in their research can't be called New light or Revelation otherwise the Beroeans will become the ones teaching Christians in other lands instead of the Apostles and Older men in Jerusalem.

Do you understand now?

Revelation can be both general or individualistic. God can reveal something to you as an individual which could be solely meant for you or for the church in general. Individual revelations during personal study are called Rhema.

FxMasterz:
My God, the Church is not visible, otherwise everyone would know the Church. Christ's church is spiritual. Christ Himself is Spiritual right now and so is His Body. That is why we partake of a spiritual food and not physical food.

If the church is not visible what then did Jesus meant by saying:

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth." Act 1:8

Will the CHURCH doing the witnessing work be visible to men or not?

Because Jesus said the world will persecute them {Matthew 24:9} so how can the world PERSECUTE what they can't see?

MaxInDHouse:
If the church is not visible what then did Jesus meant by saying:

"You will receive power when the holy spirit comes upon you, and you will be witnesses of me in Jerusalem, in all Ju·deʹa and Sa·marʹi·a, and to the most distant part of the earth." Act 1:8

Will the CHURCH doing the witnessing work be visible to men or not?

Because Jesus said the world will persecute them {Matthew 24:9} so how can the world PERSECUTE what they can't see?

The church of God is eternal my friend. The Church lives forever and ever because Christ's Body is an everlasting Body. This body is also called the Bride of Christ. The preachers who preached yesterday have passed on. I mean those you saw physically in Samaria, Judea and the uttermost parts of the world. While those you saw physically are not seen any more, the church lives on, and they're still part of the Church.

The church eats spiritual food, not physical food. It takes a spiritual water for cleansing. Not physical water. You need scripture references? Ask, and it shall be given unto you.

The Church is a spiritual Body

FxMasterz:
Revelation can be both general or individualistic. God can reveal something to you as an individual which could be solely meant for you or for the church in general. Individual revelations during personal study are called Rhema.

That's your own terms in your religion i'm talking about what the scriptures say about the first century Christians so don't divert.

Revelations is meant to be for the whole congregation not personal that's why Paul said if anyone is speaking in tongues and it's personal he should shut up because that's not for the congregation! 1Corinthians 14:28

So my discoveries are personal and not to be shared since i'm not the BODY Jesus is using to dispense spiritual food.

Do you now see why you're wrong to expect all other JWs to flow with my personal discovery?

FxMasterz:
The church of God is eternal my friend. The lives forever and ever because Christ's Body is an everlasting Body. This body is also called the Bride of Christ. The preachers who preached yesterday have passed on. I mean those you saw physically in Samaria, Judea and the uttermost parts of the world. While those you saw physically are not seen any more, the church lives on, and they're still part of the Church.
The church eats spiritual food, not physical food. It takes a spiritual water for cleansing. Not physical water. You need scripture references? Ask, and it shall be given unto you.
The Church is a spiritual Body

So go and teach your friends in your churches that they should be invisible but from what the Bible teaches the Church is VISIBLE each person holds an office which must be transferred to another Christian once the officer finishes his race.

That's what my Bible says!

MaxInDHouse:
That's your own terms in your religion i'm talking about what the scriptures say about the first century Christians so don't divert.

Revelations is meant to be for the whole congregation not personal that's why Paul said if anyone is speaking in tongues and it's personal he should shut up because that's not for the congregation! 1Corinthians 14:28

Paul actually advised those who spoke in tongues without interpretation to keep quiet in Churches, not because the revelation is personal but because the tongue is not understood by the hearers, and therefore does not lead to edification.

So my discoveries are personal and not to be shared since i'm not the BODY Jesus is using to dispense spiritual food.

No one has the monopoly of dispensing spiritual food. God can use anyone to share Revelations.

Do you now see why you're wrong to expect all other JWs to flow with my personal discovery?

Your position is not scriptural my friend. This is what the scriptures say:

"What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up."

Every member of the church can have a Revelation and shared with the church. Paul didn't condemn it. He only admonished that everything should be done in order for the edification of the church. He said this to address the disorderliness and rowdiness of the Corinthian church in those days.

FxMasterz:
No one has the monopoly of dispensing spiritual food. God can use anyone to share Revelations.

This is your own opinion but according to the Bible God only use a small group called the Apostles and Older men to dispense spiritual food to His worshipers {Act 2:42} that's why Paul and Barnabas must travel all the way to Jerusalem {Act 15:2} to bring back what God's Holy Spirit revealed to be told to all the congregations! Act 15:28-29

So go and teach your own church people what you know i stick to what the Bible teaches!

MaxInDHouse:
So go and teach your friends in your churches that they should be invisible but from what the Bible teaches the Church is VISIBLE each person holds an office which must be transferred to another Christian once the officer finishes his race.

That's what my Bible says!

There's no scriptural backing for such a position as yours.

Now, even the brother who finishes his race remains part of the church after he departs. See? That's to say that the body of Christ does not consist of the physical people who are currently running the race. It consists also of those who have finished the race. That's a spiritual Body.

This is how each member of the Body is begotten:

John 1:13

"They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God."

God is Spiritual and whosoever is begotten of the spiritual is spiritual as well.

1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

John 3:5
"Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”

1 Peter 2:5
"You also as living stones are built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."

Now, do you understand? Or you still want to argue against the Word of God in support of your watchtower books?

MaxInDHouse:
This is your own opinion but according to the Bible God only use a small group called the Apostles and Older men to dispense spiritual food to His worshipers {Act 2:42} that's why Paul and Barnabas must travel all the way to Jerusalem {Act 15:2} to bring back what God's Holy Spirit revealed to be told to all the congregations! Act 15:28-29

So go and teach your own church people what you know i stick to what the Bible teaches!

I gave you a scripture and you cut it off in order to call the position my own. It's the position of scripture.

The gathering of believers is for fellowship and communication. Nobody has the monopoly of teaching anyone new Revelations. Paul said everyone has a revelation but all things must be done in order. Let me give you another scripture. But is that necessary? You'll cut it off again and turn to call it my position. But, I'll show the truth regardless.

1 John 2:27

"But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

Please dispute 1 John 2:27.

FxMasterz:
There's no scriptural backing for such a position as yours.
Now, even the brother who finishes his race remains part of the church after he departs. See? That's to say that the body of Christ does not consist of the physical people who are currently running the race. It consists also of those who have finished the race. That's a spiritual Body.
This is how each member of the Body is begotten:
John 1:13
"They are reborn—not with a physical birth resulting from human passion or plan, but a birth that comes from God."
God is Spiritual and whosoever is begotten of the spiritual is spiritual as well.
1 Peter 1:23
"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."
John 3:5
"Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”
1 Peter 2:5
"You also as living stones are built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God through Jesus Christ."
Now, do you understand? Or you still want to argue against the Word of God in support of your watchtower books?

Those who have died are SLEEPING IN DEATH! John 11:11-14 compared to Act 7:60

They're no part of the church since they're no longer active {Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10} therefore they can't be persecuted anymore unlike the VISIBLE CHURCH that Paul said he PERSECUTED! 1Corinthians 15:9

Your opinion can't change that!

FxMasterz:
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him."

Please dispute 1 John 2:27.

If there shouldn't be any man to teach them then what does Paul meant by:

And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers. Ephesians 4:11

Jesus commanded his disciples to gather people and baptize them then continue TEACHING them! Matthew 28:19-20

According to Act 2:42 all the believers were being TAUGHT by the Apostles.

So if you want to know what John meant there just ask but if you feel you already know it's OK keep it to yourself!

MaxInDHouse:
If there shouldn't be any man to teach them then what does Paul meant by:

And he gave some as apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelizers, some as shepherds and teachers. Ephesians 4:11

Jesus commanded his disciples to gather people and baptize them then continue TEACHING them! Matthew 28:19-20

According to Act 2:42 all the believers were being TAUGHT by the Apostles.

So if you want to know what John meant there just ask but if you feel you already know it's OK keep it to yourself!

Please understand. The emphasis is not that they don't need to be taught by anyone. That's not what we're discussing. The emphasis is that the Holy Spirit teaches everyone.

MaxInDHouse:
Those who have died are SLEEPING IN DEATH! John 11:11-14 compared to Act 7:60

They're no part of the church since they're no longer active {Ecclesiastes 9:5-6, 10} therefore they can't be persecuted anymore unlike the VISIBLE CHURCH that Paul said he PERSECUTED! 1Corinthians 15:9

Your opinion can't change that!

Then what does this scripture mean?

1 Thessalonians 4:16
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

FxMasterz:
Please understand. The emphasis is not that they don't need to be taught by anyone. That's not what we're discussing. The emphasis is that the Holy Spirit teaches everyone.

You're the one contradicting yourself!

If the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses are teaching the flock of God under their care it's SCRIPTURAL and you can't refute it with the scriptures unless you just want to use your own PERSONAL opinion.

As for Holy Spirit guiding each believer it's when each person pray to God for help to understand certain things that's difficult to grasp that God will grant him or her the spirit to guide his understanding and that doesn't mean he should impose it on others that's his or her own personal research which he begged God to help him understand.

So the Bible books i'm quoting to support my personal discovery is not to be taught to others but my own special properties to show anyone that i have evidence of my own beliefs in the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses headed by the Governing Body! Luke 17:37

You can't tell me to teach others neither can you tell me it's wrong because it's my own personal research!

FxMasterz:
Then what does this scripture mean?
1 Thessalonians 4:16
"For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first."

The dead as in believers sleeping in death who have finished their race will be resurrected first and they will become spirit beings to meet Christ in heaven while the rest who are still alive will continue with their race until they finish but instead of them to sleep in death like the former believers they will be caught up immediately at their last breath!

So after Jesus became King in heaven his first move was to oust Satan and his demons from heaven {Revelations 12:7-12} that's what led to the fulfillment of another prophecy of Jesus that WARS, FOOD SHORTAGES, PESTILENCES and EARTHQUAKES will begin on planet earth! Matthew 24:7

All these things began in the year 1914 till today!

MaxInDHouse:
The dead as in believers sleeping in death who have finished their race will be resurrected first and they will become spirit beings to meet Christ in heaven while the rest who are still alive will continue with their race until they finish but instead of them to sleep in death like the former believers they will be caught up immediately at their last breath!

Do you mean that the spirit brings would mix with the physics beings to be caught up with Christ? Where did you see that 'their last breathe' clause you added?