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Peledonomy:
I sabi all these people wey dey talk " drop pictures or we don't believe"
" Drop link or we don't believe"

Some of them, their short hand na " drop link"

hopefulLandlord:
This guy was asked for link and took his sweet time to type back and forth with the guy(?) that asked for the link but still no link seen

C'mon! Greatness and glowry.is in working with what you have been given!

So atheist, try peoperly addressing the issue as it is and stop commplaining "no calculator"!

Everyday247:
Ah, I be one of those people.
But this time in not asking because i don't believe you rather i was asking out of curiosity.
I've always heard of these debates but I've never watched one so i wanted see what it was like.

Its horrible! The christians they bring you would even see that the guy has not opened the bible since crk in primary 5 and he is an air head and downright slowpoke.

Whereas, the atheist is an inteligent guy and even an expert in something, so you see, the debates are already rigged like Tinubu rigged.

Some people sha.

Dem dey find make I mention them

Why was the writings of Jesus locked up? Why is the story of his wife and descendants hidden?

Lessonteacher:
one thing almost all atheists have in common is, they are all into some sort of psychedelics

Where do people like you get this type of nonsense? LMAO!

Peledonomy:
He also asked what he could have done differently. It now became an issue of "did I not have enough faith? Was I not worthy of God revealing himself to me?"

Well let me state this here now that it's not too late, I don't claim to have the answers, but what I hope to do is to ask the atheist who shares in this sentiment a simple question.

If there is a God and you want to feel him or experience him, is it not proper you first ask how he wants to be known, or felt?

I mean it's just normal to think that if there is a God who is high and mighty, then he must have his terms and conditions. Do you just go around looking for him and expecting he shows up anywhere anyhow to prove himself to you? That you are who?


Just a question o.

The god that doesn't speak for himself or another one? The god who people claim spoke words that were supposedly written by other people in their own language which when translated lost some of its nuance requiring constant revision and interpretation? That god is the one who will tell you how he wants to be known or there is different god?

Peledonomy:
Here is what I like to ask all those who don't believe in God.

No let me rephrase the question.

Here is what I'll like to ask those who don't believe the Bible.

I know the Bible is not a scientific book.
I know that you have seen some contradictions in the Bible.
I know that the resurrection of Jesus is still a debate.

But wait.

Why would a man called Saul of Tarsus, aka Paul the apostle, die for a lie?

Take note. Paul never met Jesus in his life time.

The historicity of Jesus may be in doubt, but Paul is well known through out history. I'm not just talking about the Bible.

Why would that man called Paul, give up his life and comfort for a story/myth/legend?

It's just a question.

The same reason suicide bombers die. They think they are right.

Yes, as ideas held by multitudes.

LordReed:
The god that doesn't speak for himself or another one? The god who people claim spoke words that were supposedly written by other people in their own language which when translated lost some of its nuance requiring constant revision and interpretation? That god is the one who will tell you how he wants to be known or there is different god?

Jesus Christ pretty much spoke for Himself. God also speaks to people today in different ways. God's Word does not need constant revision and interpretation, it's usually PEOPLE that need the revision and interpretation. Any version of the Word will give you about the same power.

LordReed:
The same reason suicide bombers die. They think they are right.

Suicide bombers die because they are brainwashed/deceived or for money. Paul did not.

Image123:
, it's usually PEOPLE that need the revision and interpretation. .

How does this change what I said?

Image123:
Suicide bombers die because they are brainwashed/deceived or for money. Paul did not.

Is this a joke?

LordReed:
How does this change what I said?

Every language when translated in big chunks will lose some of its nuance. People don't need to constantly revise and interpret the Bible, they choose to. It has not exactly proven to be better.
You put the fault on God and His Word, i put it on people. That changes what you said.

LordReed:
Is this a joke?

Paul did not die because of money or brainwashing, it's not a joke.

LordReed:
The god that doesn't speak for himself or another one? The god who people claim spoke words that were supposedly written by other people in their own language which when translated lost some of its nuance requiring constant revision and interpretation? That god is the one who will tell you how he wants to be known or there is different god?

Isn't speaking to another person a speaking and especially a speaking for oneself?

You are just trying to create a new way to argue since you have nothing to say on the topic

Image123:
Paul did not die because of money or brainwashing, it's not a joke.

If suicide bombers were brainwashed or deceived then so was Paul.

Image123:
Every language when translated in big chunks will lose some of its nuance. People don't need to constantly revise and interpret the Bible, they choose to. It has not exactly proven to be better.
You put the fault on God and His Word, i put it on people. That changes what you said.

As you well know I don't believe there's a god behind all of this. It might have been easy to miss but I was going for sarcastically pointing out that this is all human effort.

LordReed:
If suicide bombers were brainwashed or deceived then so was Paul.

Is that how low you have fallen just to say sonething?

Do we not see how these muslims are brainwashed, compared to Paul who we can see asks questions people do not even consider asking just to be sure of his actions and beliefs?

LordReed:
As you well know I don't believe there's a god behind all of this. It might have been easy to miss but I was going for sarcastically pointing out that this is all human effort.

To believe or not to believe is in your ability exactly as a person can believe it did not raini in lagos yesterday even though it did.

So your believe or refusal to believe or "don't believe" is not important at all.

LordReed:
As you well know I don't believe there's a god behind all of this. It might have been easy to miss but I was going for sarcastically pointing out that this is all human effort.

i will agree to the extent that the constant revision and interpretation of the Bible is all human effort. The Bible itself is not all human effort but inspired and consistently life changing.

LordReed:
If suicide bombers were brainwashed or deceived then so was Paul.

It is quite the insult considering that Paul is like the version of Mo in christianity. Like after God, it's Paul (for the Gentiles), or let's safely add Peter, James, John and the other apostles. We both know Mo is incomparable to mere suicide bombers in that religion. Mo will never commit suicide, none of the leaders of the religion will attempt such, none of the rich or well established would. That option is usually for the poor and ill-informed amongst them. Just one day ago, i read that Gwoza suicide bombers are given as low as N20.
On the other hand, Paul is never willing to do something that other christians should not follow. The principle is clearly, "follow me as I follow Christ." He's not deceived into what he is doing. In fact, most of his many epistles explain what he is doing and why other believers should do same. Paul, brainwashed by who? Paul, whose experiences are clearly documented across the New Testament. Who experienced a life-transforming change from a murderer and persecutor to a saint. Paul, who healed sicknesses and raised the dead. Paul's life, as we read it, was not dem say. Aprons from him were healing the sick. Paul who had been to heaven in a vision is who you are comparing to suicide bombers that did not even read their book not to talk of revelation. Wake Paul up now now, he will explain to you how he met Jesus on the way to Damascus. The comparison is a complete fail abeg. Try maybe some brainwashed church-goers, not apostle Paul.

Paul: Just another fairy tale

Image123:
It is quite the insult considering that Paul is like the version of Mo in christianity. Like after God, it's Paul (for the Gentiles), or let's safely add Peter, James, John and the other apostles. We both know Mo is incomparable to mere suicide bombers in that religion. Mo will never commit suicide, none of the leaders of the religion will attempt such, none of the rich or well established would. That option is usually for the poor and ill-informed amongst them. Just one day ago, i read that Gwoza suicide bombers are given as low as N20.
On the other hand, Paul is never willing to do something that other christians should not follow. The principle is clearly, "follow me as I follow Christ." He's not deceived into what he is doing. In fact, most of his many epistles explain what he is doing and why other believers should do same. Paul, brainwashed by who? Paul, whose experiences are clearly documented across the New Testament. Who experienced a life-transforming change from a murderer and persecutor to a saint. Paul, who healed sicknesses and raised the dead. Paul's life, as we read it, was not dem say. Aprons from him were healing the sick. Paul who had been to heaven in a vision is who you are comparing to suicide bombers that did not even read their book not to talk of revelation. Wake Paul up now now, he will explain to you how he met Jesus on the way to Damascus. The comparison is a complete fail abeg. Try maybe some brainwashed church-goers, not apostle Paul.

Then the insult is from you. If you think the only reason people want to martyr themselves is because of brainwashing/indoctrination/money then the same applies to Paul.

Image123:
i will agree to the extent that the constant revision and interpretation of the Bible is all human effort. The Bible itself is not all human effort but inspired and consistently life changing.

It is wholly human effort. Inspiration and the ability to change one's mind about things is a human attribute that needs no god or gods.

LordReed:
It is wholly human effort. Inspiration and the ability to change one's mind about things is a human attribute that needs no god or gods.

The Bible is not mere human inspiration but divine inspiration. Reason why it remains more relevant than the most inspired of human books and doings. Human inspiration or genius moments fail and wane, the Bible remains with same potency for thousands of years.

LordReed:
Then the insult is from you. If you think the only reason people want to martyr themselves is because of brainwashing/indoctrination/money then the same applies to Paul.

Suicide bombers are not martyrs, they kill themselves with others for reward. Many of them don't even have an idea of what they are doing or a deep understanding of what they believe. Reason why their top leaders would never do such. Again, who offered money to Paul, or brainwashed Paul or indoctrinated Paul? i guess you'd assume the same stance for Jesus Christ and all true Christians because we all have the same understanding. To live us Christ and to die is gain.

Image123:
The Bible is not mere human inspiration but divine inspiration. Reason why it remains more relevant than the most inspired of human books and doings. Human inspiration or genius moments fail and wane, the Bible remains with same potency for thousands of years.

So why has Islam not waned or failed? Why has Buddhism not waned or failed? Why has Hindusim not waned or failed? All of these will also claim inspiration and changed lives. The fact is they and the Bible are all human inventions and therefore have an effect on humans in varying degrees, the same way all human devising always works.

LordReed:
So why has Islam not waned or failed? Why has Buddhism not waned or failed? Why has Hindusim not waned or failed? All of these will also claim inspiration and changed lives. The fact is they and the Bible are all human inventions and therefore have an effect on humans in varying degrees, the same way all human devising always works.

Notice that i did not say Christianity, i said the Bible. Man is created to worship, each human being has a soul and a spirit (something other animals don't have, though that's probably another discussion entirely) and so will generally crave for something/someone to worship. That's the practice of religion. Just like the human body naturally has characteristics that will continue to be there, the human spirit also has the tendency to worship and commune with some 'higher' power.
That being sorted, God is not the ONLY spirit. The Bible teaches that there are principalities and POWERS. There are powerful books inspired by POWERS, i am not denying that. What i have said and maintain is that the Bible is no ordinary book, but divinely inspired by God. Books have influence, even the media has some influence. But there is NO book that has the kind of influence that the Bible has continued to have. Let me list some to be specific.
- Transformation of sinners. If you have been in an evangelistic crusade or outreach, you'd probably understand better. i'm not talking about mental gymnastics or even solid, clear, or even motivational teaching. i mean just mere reading of the Bible, and people are grown men and women are crying, and confessing crazy stuff and dropping all kinds or horrid lifestyles for better ones. A total turn around. i don't know any other book that does that and has been doing that for thousands of years.
- Reported healing. You don't believe in healing and miracle that's why i use the word reported. Apart from the Bible and MAYBE you may mention the Koran. i am certain that you cannot mention up to 10 other books of the billions of books written that people claim to read and it gives them physical healing. Let alone the other forms of healing.
- Influence on politics, prediction and unmatgched insight into the present, past and future.

i'll stop on these, i'm not sure i want to type long epistles for now.

LordReed:
Where do people like you get this type of nonsense? LMAO!

have you smoked weed or used any other hard drug before?
be honest.

Lessonteacher:
have you smoked weed or used any other hard drug before?
be honest.

Nope, I have not smoked weed or used other hard drugs. Even if I have it wouldn't translate to ALL atheists. You must have absorbed the nonsense about all atheists being atheists just to "sin".

LordReed:
Nope, I have not smoked weed or used other hard drugs. Even if I have it wouldn't translate to ALL atheists. You must have absorbed the nonsense about all atheists being atheists just to "sin".

first, you have to know i didn't say "all atheists"; that said, judging by the way you seemed not to understand my position there , i can say you r a baby atheist.
i have seen existence through the eye of people like 'Charles Darwin', i know how it feels being a real atheist and i know you have to be out of your ordinary mind for you to doubt the existence of God,