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Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:49pm On Jul 04, 2024
budaatum:
Nothing is wrong with you wanting "an ethnically or racially homogenous society" if that's what you want.

I do however see quite a lot wrong in you wanting to turn an already diverse multiethnic society into "ethnically or racially homogenous society" and I hope you would too especially after you consider it might involve the removal of buda from UK and not letting black you benefit from DfiD funding and after you educate yourself about Volksgemeinschaft.
I get you. How do migrants who purposely come to UK to live off welfare help the country ,And they are quite a number.
Choidary said we take their money
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:50pm On Jul 04, 2024
basilico:
Far East countries take you to the meat grinder before they grant foreigners citizenship.
Is "thou shalt not follow the multitude to do evil" missing from your God book?

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 7:52pm On Jul 04, 2024
budaatum:
Is "thou shalt not follow the multitude to do evil" missing from your God book?
You want to hold me to the noble teachings. Fact is Far East countries are developing well without accepting immigrants. The myth of immigrants to speed up development is debunked.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 7:56pm On Jul 04, 2024
basilico:
I get you. How do migrants who purposely come to UK to live off welfare help the country ,And they are quite a number.
Migrants do not "purposely come to UK to live off welfare". UK people are not so gullible that we would allow migrants to come here and feed off the sweat of our brows. If you go and apply for visa to migrate here we will ask you to at least show us how you intend to feed and house yourself amongst lots of other things we'd ask you, and if we see you intend to live off our welfare we'd not let you in here.

We are Rule Britannia, and not Slaves so others may eat!

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:01pm On Jul 04, 2024
basilico:
You want to hold me to the noble teachings.
I don't want to hold you to anything except the truth you see with your eyes. You lied and asked me to provide evidence, which I have.

You would not condemn the entirety of Christianity because of a few paedophile priests, and nor would you be arguing the Holy Bible promotes the priest acts. I should hope.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:02pm On Jul 04, 2024
budaatum:
Migrants do not "purposely come to UK to live off welfare". UK people are not so gullible that we would allow migrants to come here and feed off the sweat of our brows. If you go and apply for visa to migrate here we will ask you to at least show us how you intend to feed and house yourself amongst lots of other things we'd ask you, and if we see you intend to live off our welfare we'd not let you in here.

We are Rule Britannia, and not Slaves so others may eat!
Who told you that. I'll start a topic tomorrow hopefully with videos of them saying they are in it for the infidels handouts. Ever been to Somali? . I been there severally so I know what I'm saying.
Just leave that topic .
Budaatum
Jihad seekers allowance. Bend yourself into a pretzel telling me what jihad is

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IMAliyu2: 8:05pm On Jul 04, 2024
bemeruca:
but there is a community that will speak out and does not fear being ostracized. if they have that fear, then the society is a ticking time bomb. I will understand the fear in places like Iran but not the UK
Well, I'm stating why a Muslim might not protest such, even if they don't agree with it.

However there are reformist Muslims and ex-Muslim activists and such that do, tho their voices seem mute to the general public.
Then there's the rightwing that's been very loud about this, though I don't agree with your prescriptions, and then the liberals are just almost mute about this or act as shield sometimes which is annoying.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:14pm On Jul 04, 2024
basilico:
Who told you that. I'll start a topic tomorrow hopefully with videos of them saying they are in it for the infidels handouts. Ever been to Somali? . I been there severally so I know what I'm saying.
Just leave that topic .
Dude, welfare in UK is little and barely enough for human progress, so its rather silly to want to come here for it unless you are starving in Somalia. And generous UK, apart from wanting to feed you in Somalia, would definitely not let you starve if you are in UK because our Christian duty precludes us from doing that and ending up in hell.

Hopefully, you will go on to have children whom we will educate not to rely on welfare for their daily bread but on the sweat they expire on their brow while seeking knowledge that they will pay to receive.

Incidentally, the image below is of Naomi Schiff. She will be on UK telly a lot this weekend presenting for Formula One. Her mother is Rwandan who integrated into Belgium, and definitely did not just rely on welfare.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:18pm On Jul 04, 2024
basilico:
Jihad seekers allowance. Bend yourself into a pretzel telling me what jihad is
One swan does not a summer make.

budaatum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anjem_Choudary

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by basilico: 8:21pm On Jul 04, 2024
budaatum:
One swan does not a summer make.
His teachings have nspired terrorists who went on to murder innocent people. A bomb doesn't chose what race or religion to hurt once it explodes
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 8:29pm On Jul 04, 2024
basilico:
His teachings have nspired terrorists who went on to murder innocent people. A bomb doesn't chose what race or religion to hurt once it explodes
We have laws in UK. If you bomb people we will find you and arrest you and drag your bombing ass before a jury.

And as I have already pointed out to you but which you cover your eyes so you don't see, we drag anyone who inspires terrorists before a jury too.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 8:42pm On Jul 04, 2024
IMAliyu2:
Well, I'm stating why a Muslim might not protest such, even if they don't agree with it.

However there are reformist Muslims and ex-Muslim activists and such that do, tho their voices seem mute to the general public.
Then there's the rightwing that's been very loud about this, though I don't agree with your prescriptions, and then the liberals are just almost mute about this or act as shield sometimes which is annoying.
ex....
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Bossly: 9:20pm On Jul 04, 2024
Rant all you like, nothing changes.
SCAMerica's collapse is irreversible 😄


ijebosb:
You say you embrace this imaginary God.
Are you decent?
No? You're a lying, hacking, degenerate who has a broken family.
Let's take it farther, Large swaths of Nigeria embrace the "imaginary God", tell me is Nigeria largely a decent flourishing place?

Everything about you is contradictory. From trashing the West to trying to seek asylum in it, to being a black man yet trying to embrace the White Christian Nationalist view of the World. It's the kind of contradictions that happen when your formal education consists of Youtube videos.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:34pm On Jul 04, 2024
Those afraid of dump's immunity do rather amuse me. Our own King Charles the First (and not the current) thought the same thing till We The People offed his head.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjfauwXoJ4?si=3As9S6HTT9aWJUix

If we were only to have the majority opinion, we would not know that the doctrine of the rule of law existed, let alone that it should regulate the potential criminal liability of the head of the executive branch.

This omission is a shame, and it indicates that the majority judgment is weak. A robust and confident judgment would take on the doctrine of equality of law and show why there would have to be an exception in this instance. But instead, it ignores the point, almost acting as if it is not there.

The weak and one-sided nature of the majority opinion in turn suggests that it is partisan and the result of motivated reasoning. Such allegations are often made with politically appointed judges, but they are not always true. A look at the reasoning in a judgment can often dispel any unease at the bias of a judge.

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/ideas/law/67136/the-us-supreme-courts-weak-and-partisan-judgment
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Bossly: 9:35pm On Jul 04, 2024
basilico:
Who told you that. I'll start a topic tomorrow hopefully with videos of them saying they are in it for the infidels handouts. Ever been to Somali? . I been there severally so I know what I'm saying.
Just leave that topic .
Budaatum
Jihad seekers allowance. Bend yourself into a pretzel telling me what jihad is
All in all, the western collapse is accelerating.
Incoherent sleepy joe 👴 is doing very well in that regard.

You 1stgenamerican obedience4 ijebosb & other immigrant slaves will be drafted for the coming war on US soil. 😄
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 9:42pm On Jul 04, 2024
This explains why Europe and many other countries need immigrants. They can't find enough educated workers to grow their economies so they invite immigrants. The more proactive countries go one step further and invite you to come have your babies in their country so they can be trained from birth.

https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/general/2823233/portugal-reviving-tax-breaks-for-foreigners

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IMAliyu2: 10:14pm On Jul 04, 2024
budaatum:
These people you mention are not spokespersons for the any significant minority, and are just loudmouths you get to hear.

On their other side are the equally obnoxious loudmouthed Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage, who decent people don't even listen to not to talk of let them speak for them, as will be shown tonight by how few votes Farage gets.
Well I'll hope so, I'm worried by the fact that they even have people who listen to them. There's a reason to not let their ideas to have even a space to flourish or go unchallenged.
Fascism always arises from the tolerance and freedom liberalism allows it.

Well I hope the UK good luck with their elections, hope they kick the Torys out.
They don't. Just as all Muslims in Nigeria don't share the same opinion with bokoharam, and are instead bokohalal, or they wouldn't be sending their children to school, so too are British Muslims not taliban.
Ok, but remember even bokoharam started as a fringe movement.

Perhaps give examples of values and cultures that are not equal or worth learning from so I know what you are talking about. But please note that your "from" is an issue here.

I think it is very worth learning about cultures that even takes twins to the bottom of the river and bashes their heads in. Not so I can emulate (from) what they do, but so I can better understand such cultures that do that and perhaps in my arrogance, educate them about my culture so they read my God book and converse on Nairaland in my language which is what I will use to promote and inculcate my culture and my values in to them.

Just the mere fact that you and I have discussed in the past and exchanged our opinions and views on cultures and values is directing our conversation here. And I bet our understanding of each others values and culture is what is contributing to and a factor that is enabling us to converse with our brains instead of with ignorance and emotions as some are doing.

Neither of us have necessarily adopted the others' culture or values in a "from" sort of way, but we at least have learnt to respect each others culture and values I think, at least from what I see so far.
Examples are the deep rooted homophobia in Nigerian cultures that's led to lynching of (suspected) gay men in some parts, Pakistani honor culture that's led to horrific stuff like honor killing, female genital mutilation etc. These are values or practices that run antithetical to my own. I see these as stuff that increases the needless human suffering in the world and on this arbitrary scale not all cultures and values are equal. There is nothing worth learning from in these, beyond not to do them.

However you did state that your point wasn't to learn 'from' them, but rather "to interact, communicate, build relations and perhaps show them a better way" if I'm not misunderstanding. Which I don't really have a disagreement with as a strategy here.

We have some level of respect for each other because we share some fundamental values, that we may have arrived at independently, not necessarily one adopting the others', tho even if you I adopted yours' because you made a compelling case for it, that wouldn't be inherently bad either.

It is British culture and values that as we want others to do unto us, we first must do unto them so they may see and learn. We are so arrogant that we must first let our light so shine before others so they will see the perfection of the Father in us and bow. And we learnt that from our past ignorance when we thought we knew it all.
Well, I can only say good luck here.

Just keep in mind this is a strategy that only works when you're both interacting in good faith.
Otherwise history has shown sometimes only a 'giant rock' to the head can help with some fundamental axiomatic differences.
Hence why Nazi Germany & Hitler weren't brought to their end by simply having a talking to.
Or why the Atlantic slave trade needed a bit of British naval superiority to be brought to an end at the time.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by feedthenation(m): 10:31pm On Jul 04, 2024
basilico:
The economist doesn't seem to like Biden any more.
---Yes people can vote for a convicted felon whose speech is laced with profanity---

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 10:35pm On Jul 04, 2024
IMAliyu2:
Well I'll hope so, I'm worried by the fact that they even have people who listen to them.
Don't be worried. The UK like Nigeria, at one time too believed that eating the fruits of knowledge will kill them and so built churches everywhere to make people believe that. Then a time came after Jesus had opened our eyes we understood that nourishing our selves with fruits of knowledge is not what kills but ignorance does, so we built lots of schools and libraries instead to teach people to use their God given minds to empower them to "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground".

So long as we get the children in our schools, which is mandatory, we will teach them our values and culture and not to be ignorant mud but to use the brains in their heads instead of blowing people up, and those children will contribute to the wealth of the Crown and will be better off for it.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 10:41pm On Jul 04, 2024
IMAliyu2:
Just keep in mind this is a strategy that only works when you're both interacting in good faith.
This, no! All that is required is that I interact in good faith and trust they have a brain and know how to use it.

Even if they slap my right cheek and then my left cheek, they will eventually get tired and bored and start wondering if my cheek is made of iron or is worth slapping. And if they don't stop, there is always the law.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 12:05am On Jul 05, 2024
budaatum:
This, no! All that is required is that I interact in good faith and trust they have a brain and know how to use it.

Even if they slap my right cheek and then my left cheek, they will eventually get tired and bored and start wondering if my cheek is made of iron or is worth slapping. And if they don't stop, there is always the law.
see the peaceful people following your values. they can make fun of Christianity all they want and nothing will happen. you see them acting like this and you continue to import more. France 2015 did not teach them anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4Lu4XWKZs
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 12:09am On Jul 05, 2024
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 2:13am On Jul 05, 2024
bemeruca:
see the peaceful people following your values. they can make fun of Christianity ....
Question.

If Obrigardo posts here a few Christian ministers jailed for paedophilia, will you say Christianity is a religion of paedophiles?

Please kindly explain the reason for your answer.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 2:57am On Jul 05, 2024
budaatum:
Question.

If Obrigardo posts here a few Christian ministers jailed for paedophilia, will you say Christianity is a religion of paedophiles?

Please kindly explain the reason for your answer.
blasphemy is punishable by death and it is something they practice. we already know the catholic church. i am saying their way of life is not compatible. Imagine the UK shutting down a screening because of them. they banned religious drawings in fear of terror attacks. you don't bring people like this into your country.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 3:39am On Jul 05, 2024
bemeruca:
blasphemy is punishable by death and it is something they practice. we already know the catholic church. i am saying their way of life is not compatible. Imagine the UK shutting down a screening because of them. they banned religious drawings in fear of terror attacks. you don't bring people like this into your country.
Did you not see the question i asked you?

I'll post it again in bold in case you didn't.
budaatum:

Question.

If Obrigardo posts here a few Christian ministers jailed for paedophilia, will you say Christianity is a religion of paedophiles?

Please kindly explain the reason for your answer.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 3:43am On Jul 05, 2024
budaatum:
Did you not see the question i asked you?

I'll post it again in bold in case you didn't.
I answered. I am not saying all Muslims are terrorists, am I?

I am saying they have a doctrine that does not tolerate people with opposing views or expressions like burning a book or drawing a cartoon.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 3:43am On Jul 05, 2024
Meanwhile, on the UK election, anti immigration Nigel Farage of Reform UK wins in Clacton, to my utter disappointment.

Pro-Palestine Jeremy Corbyn wins in Islington as an Independent, to my utter delight.

Reform UK has 2 seats as Rishi Sunaks Conservatives implode.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 3:44am On Jul 05, 2024
budaatum:
Meanwhile, on the UK election, anti immigration Nigel Farage of Reform UK wins in Clacton, to my utter disappointment.

Pro-Palestine Jeremy Corbyn wins in Islington as an Independent, to my utter delight.

Reform UK has 2 seats as Rishi Sunaks Conservatives implode.
what were you expecting?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 3:48am On Jul 05, 2024
bemeruca:
I answered. I am not saying all Muslims are terrorists, am I?

I am saying they have a doctrine that does not tolerate people with opposing views or expressions like burning a book or drawing a cartoon.
Are you saying all muslims have a doctrine that does not tolerate people with opposing views?

If so, can you kindly explain how Muslims survive in UK where the majority are not Muslims?

Also explain why London would elect a Muslim as Mayor if he has a doctrine of intolerance please.

And explain your understanding of the text below, which is from the Muslim book.

Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 3:50am On Jul 05, 2024
bemeruca:
what were you expecting?
More like what was I hoping for. That Farage's party win zero seats.

One of their 2 is a defecting Conservative who i expected to win. I was hoping Farage lost.
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by budaatum: 3:54am On Jul 05, 2024
bemeruca:
I answered. I am not saying all Muslims are terrorists, am I?
If you know that all Muslims are not terrorists or intolerant, why are you posting youtubes of intolerant terrorists and claiming they represent Muslims?

Would you hate Christians if Obrigado posts youtubes of lots of church ministers imprisoned for paedophilia?

If not, why not?
Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:20am On Jul 05, 2024
budaatum:
If you know that all Muslims are not terrorists or intolerant, why are you posting youtubes of intolerant terrorists and claiming they represent Muslims?

Would you hate Christians if Obrigado posts youtubes of lots of church ministers imprisoned for paedophilia?

If not, why not?
Lmao, You are intentionally not getting my point?
you only allow people who share your values. the UK is stripping itself of its freedom of expression because of the people it imported in. There are Muslim countries I don't talk about because there are some secular Muslim countries. When I say Secular I don't mean like the UK but at least they recognize gay rights. I am talking about Malaysia. Now if you take immigrants from Malaysia, no one will be having these discussions.
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