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jaephoenix:
Transitions means changes in the morphology of the anatomy and genetics. The changes can be in form of shortening of tail etc
All these are captured in human anthropological studies

Lol....so you mean that humans evolved directly from fossils we can find today without any transitional fossil links?

MaxInDHouse:
People committing suicide have come to a hard and most difficult conclusion any living creature could think of so it's not their fault.

But then if such ones has taken in good food spiritually speaking suicide wouldn't have been their last choice in life.

What do i mean by good spiritual food?

Try to visualize a time when you will sit down with people like Abel (Adam's second son) Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Gideon, Deborah, Ruth, Samuel, David, Solomon, Josiah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, Nehemiah, Ezra, Zechariah, Hezekiah, Amos, Malachi and John the baptist hearing from them how they survived the wicked system they all went through and finally you are right there in their midst also narrating your own experience in your own generation.

Remember that most of them never knew one another by face all they heard was how each of them stood firm in their own time.

And suddenly someone stood up to say:

"i didn't live to see what really happened back then because i chickened out by taking my own life"

Well that is exactly what will happen after this system of things has been wrapped off and resurrection takes place. John 5:28-29

Also note that it's going to be the resurrection of those who served God faithfully and those who don't know God's righteousness but only lived by conscience! Act 24:15

All those who chose to be wicked will not be remembered that day! Psalms 9:17

Now this is where i'm going, Jesus revealed a lot about the things that will take place during the endtime {Matthew 24:3-14} he commanded his disciples to continue teaching these things from generation to generation {Matthew 28:19-20} Jesus said at a time his real teachings will be lost on planet earth {Luke 18:8 compare to Amos 8:11} but in the time of the end a faithful and discreet slave will appear to restore this GOOD NEWS of a bright future {Matthew 24:45} this faithful slave will gather subjects throughout the earth in preparation for the return of our Master, Lord and King Christ Jesus. These are the ones who will be going from house to house sharing the GOOD NEWS about God's Kingdom in the endtime {Romans 10:13-15} your attitude towards them will determine the type of person you are inside because Jesus and his angels are working with them {Revelations 14:6-7} they have a pen in their hands to write the names of those who attended to them and spend time with them studying the Bible {Malachi 3:16 compare to Ezekiel 9:2,3,10,11} for your information that's how your name will be written in the book of life! Revelations 20:15

So back to those who committed suicide!
Their judgement will be determined by Jesus who is going about now with his angels and human representatives {Act 1:8} if you've not seen nor have any opportunity to discuss with them your suicidal attempt will be taken as one who got fed up with the wicked system of things and you chose not to join them in their evil means of acquiring wealth {Psalms 37:7-11} but if you have noticed them seeing the rich, the average and poor ones all joyfully doing this endtime work i'm afraid of what Jesus may conclude about you! Matthew 10:14-15

So if you find them today and start studying God's word with them in anticipation of knowing what the future holds for obedient mankind let me congratulate you in advance by saying "See you when all these badness are no more in Paradise" Luke 23:43

So are you saying those that study God's word don't commit suicide?

Michael547:
Lol....so you mean that humans evolved directly from fossils we can find today without any transitional fossil links?

There are transitional fossils.
Do you bother going through my posts or are you more interested in asking questions?

jaephoenix:
There are transitional fossils.
Do you bother going through my posts or are you more interested in asking questions?

Where are the transitional fossils?

jaephoenix:
So are you saying those that study God's word don't commit suicide?

It depends on the motive after all the world's most wonderful counselor of all time is Jesus of Nazareth yet one of his closest companions committed suicide.
So it largely depends on the heart condition of recipients of God's word!

Michael547:
Where are the transitional fossils?

Please read through these
https://australian.museum/learn/science/human-evolution/a-timeline-of-fossil-discoveries/

https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils

MaxInDHouse:
It depends on the motive after all the world's most wonderful counselor of all time is Jesus of Nazareth yet one of his closest companions committed suicide.
So it largely depends on the heart condition of recipients of God's word!

So if those that study the word can commit suicide, what is your point?

jaephoenix:
So if those that study the word can commit suicide, what is your point?

People going to the hospitals for treatment do die there because they aren't responding POSITIVELY to treatment likewise some failed because they are not responding POSITIVELY to their Bible study yet if someone should ask you where to take a sick person you will still insist that the patient be taken to a hospital.

Do you understand now?

jaephoenix:
Please read through these
https://australian.museum/learn/science/human-evolution/a-timeline-of-fossil-discoveries/

https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/human-fossils

Explain the write up in the screenshot below

jaephoenix:
Yeah. I should have guessed you would commit another fallacy. This time a No True Scotsman.
By the way, we are talking about knowledge. Those pastors KNEW about the sin of suicide.They also knew about the consequences. Whether they were called or rang, is irrelevant

But some believe that the dead are not conscious. There are Pastors such as those in Jehovah's Witnesse organisation and the likes.

MaxInDHouse:
People going to the hospitals for treatment do die there because they aren't responding POSITIVELY to treatment likewise some failed because they are not responding POSITIVELY to their Bible study yet if someone should ask you where to take a sick person you will still insist that the patient be taken to a hospital.

Do you understand now?

This is amazing

budaatum:
I blame God, though I don't think it is a hardened heart, but a curious discerning heart and soul and mind and being.

God gave buda the sort of heart and soul and mind and being that if Moses told buda that buda must stay at the bottom of the mountain with Aaron and Ahibu and the 70 elders while he alone must go up the mountain to see God, buda would tell Moses to go fuq himself. buda is going up the mountain to see God too, and if God don't like it God must burn buda.

And if some God put buda in the Garden of Eden and says don't eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil or buda will surely die. As soon as that God turns its back, buda will pluck the fruit of knowledge and test its spirit to see if it will truly kill buda or not.

That, is how the gods have made buda to be. Not just to believe, but to ask and knock and seek for understanding with all of buda's God given heart and soul and mind and being and time and existence.

Let me give you a little life testimony. You may believe me or choose to think that I'm lying to promote a religion. That's up to you.
My wife was a sickler (not SS)
She was in and out of Hospital till her teenage age of around 12. This was around 1998

She got so sick that yr and admitted in the Hospital
Doctor said it's shortage of blood. While
making efforts to get blood for transfusion, she die. He doctor checked her pulse, nothing responding.
Their Pastor was called for.prayers. He came with some members of the church. Mom and other siblings were already crying their eyes out.
My wife., on the other hand, said she saw herself appear in front of a Gate, so massive beyond any she has seen any where in life. The walls was like up to ,'heaven'
Her comment while standing there was, ' I'm tired. Let the gate be opened so I can enter
She said a man in white appeared and was just looking at her while she repeatedly make the above statement. After long silence from the man, she changed her request by saying ' if you can't open the gate for me to enter,then heal me completely so that I don't get sick again. The man said' so shall it be.
She woke up seeing people all around her praying. Since that day till date she has never been sick more that 2 days. Mostly malaria due to mosquito bite.
There is life after death and Jesus is the only way to heaven.
Your believe doesn't change anything, you'll soon face it.

Ochoiho:
Let me give you a little life testimony. You may believe me or choose to think that I'm lying to promote a religion. That's up to you.
My wife was a sickler (not SS)

Your first error here (I'd have called it a lie, but you probably don't know the difference), is you calling it a testimony, when it is you reporting what someone else experienced.

Read buda going to the afterlife and returning below. If you go to the thread it came from you might see an explanation for the experience.

budaatum:
First. Triple, everything any of us says is just our opinion based on our experiences or what we've learnt somewhere or been taught or told or made up in our own heads.

Now, I myself have experienced almost dying twice, once when I drank up all the water at the Bar Beach, and another time when 30, 5 milligram valium tablets found a way to jump down my throat.

At both instances were there what many describe as near death experiences, but the clue is clearly in the "near", which implies not exactly dead, and which means brain (and nervous system) activity has not exactly stopped, though I must confess that no one measured how close to death I actually was since they thankfully were more focused on keeping me alive.

Also, read about my toe miracle here.

MaxInDHouse:
People going to the hospitals for treatment do die there because they aren't responding POSITIVELY to treatment likewise some failed because they are not responding POSITIVELY to their Bible study yet if someone should ask you where to take a sick person you will still insist that the patient be taken to a hospital.

Do you understand now?

So you are saying not everyone that receives the 'word' is a Christian?

Michael547:
Explain the write up in the screenshot below

There are transitional fossils. They are fossils that show features of both the previous and latest version of an organism. For example, humans were using appendices, but during evolution we had no use for it.
The point I'm trying to make is evolution happens over millions of years with tiny changes, you can't say a particular fossil is the transition
Maybe you can check this up
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMrUdNvBm/

Ken4Christ:
But some believe that the dead are not conscious. There are Pastors such as those in Jehovah's Witnesse organisation and the likes.

So according to you, JW are not christians?

Ochoiho:
Let me give you a little life testimony. You may believe me or choose to think that I'm lying to promote a religion. That's up to you.
My wife was a sickler (not SS)
She was in and out of Hospital till her teenage age of around 12. This was around 1998

She got so sick that yr and admitted in the Hospital
Doctor said it's shortage of blood. While
making efforts to get blood for transfusion, she die. He doctor checked her pulse, nothing responding.
Their Pastor was called for.prayers. He came with some members of the church. Mom and other siblings were already crying their eyes out.
My wife., on the other hand, said she saw herself appear in front of a Gate, so massive beyond any she has seen any where in life. The walls was like up to ,'heaven'
Her comment while standing there was, ' I'm tired. Let the gate be opened so I can enter
She said a man in white appeared and was just looking at her while she repeatedly make the above statement. After long silence from the man, she changed her request by saying ' if you can't open the gate for me to enter,then heal me completely so that I don't get sick again. The man said' so shall it be.
She woke up seeing people all around her praying. Since that day till date she has never been sick more that 2 days. Mostly malaria due to mosquito bite.
There is life after death and Jesus is the only way to heaven.
Your believe doesn't change anything, you'll soon face it.

1. SS is a sickler(which is a layman term). I guess you mean your wife is either an SC Is AS.
2.Lack of pulse alone doesn't suggest death. There are other signs involved
3. Lets assume your story is true. Are you aware there are thousands of stories like your wife's where folks claim to die and resurrect after meeting their favorite gods, angels etc like Allah, Buddha, etc. Are you saying there's gods are true? If you do, then you are insinuating your god isn't the only true god. And that there are many afterlives depending on which god you believe

jaephoenix:
There are transitional fossils. They are fossils that show features of both the previous and latest version of an organism. For example, humans were using appendices, but during evolution we had no use for it.
The point I'm trying to make is evolution happens over millions of years with tiny changes, you can't say a particular fossil is the transition
Maybe you can check this up
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMrUdNvBm/

Lol....oga are you saying that the write up is wrong for saying that there are no transitional fossil links available to scientists today?

jaephoenix:
So you are saying not everyone that receives the 'word' is a Christian?

NO! What i'm saying is that not all Christians are Jehovah's Witnesses.
The true God has always have Witnesses in all generations these people will stand out due to their love for God {Deuteronomy 6:4} and His laws {Psalms 119:29} so when Adam lived the Witness of Jehovah among his children who stood firm for uprightness is Abel {Hebrews 11:4} and during the time of Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Gideon, Deborah, Samuel, David, Solomon, Josiah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, Nehemiah, Ezra, Zechariah, Hezekiah, Amos, Malachi and John the baptist all these faithful people are Jehovah's Witnesses.
But when Jesus came to connect honest hearted and sincere individuals throughout the world and teach them the way of Jehovah {Isaiah 35:8} he formed a group known back then as Christians so this people continue to listen and learn from him but only those who have the same type of receptive hearts like Jehovah's Witnesses of old will respond POSITIVELY not all those following him! John 6:66

jaephoenix:
So according to you, JW are not christians?

The name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is strange to them because the true God hid that name for thousands of years until 1931 when He used His Holy Spirit to speak through the mouth of a Christian whose name was Joseph Rutherford that the name God is calling his own people right from the beginning until now is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Surely anyone who joins Jehovah's Witnesses organization today is only interested in the love permeating the only true Christian group yet not all those preaching zealously and industriously teaching from house to house today like the first century Jewish disciples of Christ are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES so don't get it wrongly everyone obeying Jesus' command to go out there and preach are Christians but among them those having the same mindset like ancient servants of God are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Michael547:
Lol....oga are you saying that the write up is wrong for saying that there are no transitional fossil links available to scientists today?

Its wikipedia, its open sourced and sometimes composed by non technical folks
Look at the data I gave you and stop lolling

MaxInDHouse:
NO! What i'm saying is that not all Christians are Jehovah's Witnesses.
The true God has always have Witnesses in all generations these people will stand out due to their love for God {Deuteronomy 6:4} and His laws {Psalms 119:29} so when Adam lived the Witness of Jehovah among his children who stood firm for uprightness is Abel {Hebrews 11:4} and during the time of Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Samson, Gideon, Deborah, Samuel, David, Solomon, Josiah, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, Nehemiah, Ezra, Zechariah, Hezekiah, Amos, Malachi and John the baptist all these faithful people are Jehovah's Witnesses.
But when Jesus came to connect honest hearted and sincere individuals throughout the world and teach them the way of Jehovah {Isaiah 35:8} he formed a group known back then as Christians so this people continue to listen and learn from him but only those who have the same type of receptive hearts like Jehovah's Witnesses of old will respond POSITIVELY not all those following him! John 6:66

So what do you call non-JW? Looks like you have a certain disdain about them

MaxInDHouse:
The name JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES is strange to them because the true God hid that name for thousands of years until 1931 when He used His Holy Spirit to speak through the mouth of a Christian whose name was Joseph Rutherford that the name God is calling his own people right from the beginning until now is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! Isaiah 65:15

Surely anyone who joins Jehovah's Witnesses organization today is only interested in the love permeating the only true Christian group yet not all those preaching zealously and industriously teaching from house to house today like the first century Jewish disciples of Christ are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES so don't get it wrongly everyone obeying Jesus' command to go out there and preach are Christians but among them those having the same mindset like ancient servants of God are JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES.

Look I'm not here to jaw with you about your favorite mob. JWs to me are just a regular group of corrupt society. And I have evidence. So stick to the plot

jaephoenix:
Its wikipedia, its open sourced and sometimes composed by non technical folks
Look at the data I gave you and stop lolling

Lol.....really? So you are saying that the information there in Wikipedia is wrong? Yes or no?

MaxInDHouse:
People committing suicide have come to a hard and most difficult conclusion any living creature could think of so it's not their fault.

This is similar to what I was saying. My main point was that the OP was approaching suicide unemotionally.
Take for example now, If the OP saw someone about to take their life, what would he say to that person. Is it
A. Threaten the person with hell or
B. Inquire about to person's problems and attempt to provide a solution.

jaephoenix:
So what do you call non-JW? Looks like you have a certain disdain about them

Of course you're my neighbor just like anyone else around me so according to Jesus Christ i must love you as i love myself {Mark 12:31} so if i know there's a vital information that you need to know i must strive to tell you just i will also love to see someone else do for me but if you say you're not interested then i will reluctantly take my leave.
But as for a JW i must love this one the way Jesus loves me {John 13:34-35} so unlike you who i will leave when you say you're not interested in the information i brought to you i will be prepared to die if the need be for my brother in the faith to be saved.
That's the difference!

jaephoenix:
Look I'm not here to jaw with you about your favorite mob. JWs to me are just a regular group of corrupt society. And I have evidence. So stick to the plot.

Neither am i here to chat with an atheist like you since you've always told me that you're not interested in whatever message i brought but surprisingly you're the one who quoted me when the post wasn't meant for you!

Everyday247:
This is similar to what I was saying. My main point was that the OP was approaching suicide unemotionally.
Take for example now, If the OP saw someone about to take their life, what would he say to that person. Is it
A. Threaten the person with hell or
B. Inquire about to person's problems and attempt to provide a solution.

It's a pity that most people failed to realize that the first set of Europeans who brought copies of the Bible to Africa weren't Christians but politicians seeking to establish their rules over unsuspecting and gullible people.
They instill fear of the unknown in the minds of our people that after death there is a place of torment awaiting whoever opposes them in anyway yet they came with weapons to fight and kill whoever opposes their rules.

That's why most people are always going about with the same kind of threat whereas such religionists are empty headed churchians.

Please ask the OP to talk about the blessings a faithful servant of God will enjoy in paradise since what the Bible is all about is called the GOOD NEWS and not a THREATENING NEWS.
You will discover that he knows nothing apart from the threat of Hellfire whereas there is nothing like Hellfire the Hebrew word (Sheol) simply means "GRAVE" and Gehenna in Hebrew means complete destruction it's one valley behind the walls of Jerusalem where the things Jews don't like were thrown e.g refuse and carcasses of dead animals and criminals.

You will wonder why Jesus' disciples couldn't go to ask of his body after his execution.

Well it's because he was executed like a common criminal who supposed not to be given a befitting burial but it's one of the group called "Pharisees" whose name was Joseph Arimathea and Nicodemus both were secret disciples of Jesus that buried his body! John 19:38

Joseph Arimathea was influential and wealthy so it was in his own prepared tomb that Jesus was buried that's why the rest of his group sent soldiers to protect the place so that Jesus' disciples won't come to steal his body and say he has resurrected.

So the OP is a misinformed churchgoer who doesn't know what he's saying, most people committing suicide don't know what the future holds for obedient mankind that's why they're giving up thinking life has no meaning but God knows how they feel because some of his own faithful servants of ancient times also feel the same way! Job 3:3; 1King 19:4; Jeremiah 15:10; 20:14

God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Michael547:
Lol....oga are you saying that the write up is wrong for saying that there are no transitional fossil links available to scientists today?

Yes. Do you have comprehension issues?

Michael547:
Lol.....really? So you are saying that the information there in Wikipedia is wrong? Yes or no?

Yes

MaxInDHouse:
Of course you're my neighbor just like anyone else around me so according to Jesus Christ i must love you as i love myself {Mark 12:31} so if i know there's a vital information that you need to know i must strive to tell you just i will also love to see someone else do for me but if you say you're not interested then i will reluctantly take my leave.
But as for a JW i must love this one the way Jesus loves me {John 13:34-35} so unlike you who i will leave when you say you're not interested in the information i brought to you i will be prepared to die if the need be for my brother in the faith to be saved.
That's the difference!


Neither am i here to chat with an atheist like you since you've always told me that you're not interested in whatever message i brought but surprisingly you're the one who quoted me when the post wasn't meant for you!

The reason I'm not interested is because your book is flawed and incorrect. I thought I have told you that before

jaephoenix:
So according to you, JW are not christians?

They are not. They are anti Christ.

Michael547:
Lol.....really? So you are saying that the information there in Wikipedia is wrong? Yes or no?

jaephoenix:
Yes

Na wah o!

So an atheist who always quote Wikipedia even after i've told him several times that real and intelligent people don't rely on Wikipedia can now say it's no longer reliable!

Wonders shall never end!