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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 4:12pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
Konquest:Right. As to the border, which is something I didn't know, most of the issues with immigration are because of our asylum law. The US has a law that allows anyone that comes to a port of entry the ability to file asylum. And, because the system is a bit antiquated and the people have to be processed to determine whether they will get asylum and be able to stay, it takes a while. So people are let into the US, allowed to stay "temporarily" with court dates because there is no where to house them. Some of those court dates takes years. Now, because it takes a while, it's incentive for people to come to the US and try their luck and seek fake "asylums". But all this is legal as the immigrants have a right under US law to seek asylum. But, the recent bill Biden tried to get passed changed the rules of asylum, making it harder to claim asylum unless under more stringent criteria. It also gave more power to the border agents to do the initial screening. It added more personal to reduce the processing time to I think 60 days instead of years and shut down the border after a certain amount of people have tried to cross whether they are admitted or not. All that would decrease immigration as the incentive is gone. The Republicans didn't want to pass that law because Trump thought immigration would help him. So, at this point it has to be about more effective messaging. Also, someone did a study. Immigrants generally commit lower crime than the Us citizens. Also the crime rate I believe is lower now than under Trump. But that was my issue with Biden. His messaging. And something I hope Kamala will be better on. Republicans get away with seeding lies, and those lies become fact. Ex. Biden's son Hunter. I'm kind of upset that he didn't fight back when they went after him. A friend of mine brought up Hunter Biden recently. Someone who should be in the know. He had know idea Hunter Biden was a Yale Law Grad. Was an adjunct professor at Georgetown, was on the boards of major companies like Banks and was even appointed to be on the board of Amtrak by George Bush. My friend thought Hunter was some bum just using his family name based on all the Republican misinformation. Joe Biden didn't push back and didn't allow Hunter to and Hunter may spend time in jail because if it. Anyhow, my point is we are in a new era with the speed of the spread and depth of misinformation. Dems have to be quicker at pushing back or they cede the space to lies. I respect what Biden did. It takes strength to give up power. Look at Trump. Biden has always stuttered. There are techniques to correct it which get harder to do when you are tired or stressed. Impressive that he kept it in line for the most part. Age is catching up to him and as it's clear he's slowed down significantly from last year. But the Presidency is an exhausting job as well, and wears most people down quickly. Look at Obama before and after his presidency. I say most, because it only does if you actually do work unlike Trump who looked the same. I just thought he couldn't do another 4 years at that pace of a president at his age. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 4:14pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
Gerrard59:Confused. Why are you talking about ejaculation here? Politics.. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:16pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
raumdeuter:Everything these people believe here, almost everything and their political views are all based on lies and manipulations. It has reached the point where they are vocally expressing their desire to see their political opponents die by assassination |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 4:26pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
LordReed:That report was definitely misrepresented. Hur misrepresented himself even from what he wrote in the report. I think at one point in a top line summary Hur claims that there is evidence of willful retention. But deep in the report he says that evidence is insufficient at establishing criminality, he says there are plausible alternative explanations and other evidence against it being willful retention. Lol. So he is technically true in his top line summary, but is still basically lying about what was found The problem is that people will read the misrepresented top line claim that there is evidence without reading the full report that that evidence is insufficient as there are other plausible explanations. Because it's a lot to go through the report. I enjoy it, so I'll get into those weeds. But it is shady, but if you google who Robert Hur is, was you'll understand his purpose in writing the report the wat he did. He is a product of the Right. And if he put out a report exonerating Biden he would be crucified like Pence and would have been the end of his career. So in order to let Biden off, which he had to as the evidence wasn't there, he had to crucify him to not go afoul of Trump World. It was Garland's fault for choosing him. He should have picked someone at the end of their career who wasn't reliant on another paycheck and wasn't reliant on Trump world. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:32pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
ijebosb:Coming from a guy who has constantly proven to us how severe his comprehension problems are |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 4:43pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
bemeruca:You're like a fly buzzing around waiting to be swatted again. Time after time I embarrass you here and since have Stockholm syndrome, you come back looking to be embarrassed again. For anyone who cares, this is a good article on the Hur report. Bemeruca, English and Reading aren't your forte, so skip it as you'll most likely struggle with it. But even without the prompting of a misleading “summary” by Barr, the press has gotten the lede wrong. This may be because of a poorly worded (we’re being charitable) thesis sentence on page 1 of Hur’s executive summary. Hur writes at the outset: “Our investigation uncovered evidence that President Biden willfully retained and disclosed classified materials after his vice presidency when he was a private citizen.” You have to wait for the later statements that what the report actually says is there is insufficient evidence of criminality, innocent explanations for the conduct, and affirmative evidence that Biden did not willfully withhold classified documents. Put another way, that same sentence about “our investigation uncovered evidence” could equally apply to Mike Pence, who had classified documents at his home, which is similarly some “evidence” of a crime, but also plainly insufficient to remotely establish criminality. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 4:54pm On Jul 22, 2024*. Modified: 5:15pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
ijebosb:You are posting the spin of what someone else put out there for you to read. Do you remember the black church Trump went to? I put up their website and a YouTube link for you to see their services and how they conduct activities. What did you do? You went to Don Lemon's page and screenshot the lies he was telling on how that's not a black church because he has been to a black church before. You ignored direct sources, you ignored what your eyes saw and embraced a lie someone was telling. So get the actual source from Hur, and tell us how his claim that Biden is senile is wrong. Compare it to the new narrative from the leftwing media and why they are forcing Biden out. After that, explain to us why you believe the media lies even if you can see Biden for yourself and make your own conclusion. Furthermore, to butress my point that you don't get it, raumdeuter and LordReed are talking about Biden's mental capacity, what you are talking about is something else. raumdeuter: |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 4:57pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
"Jared Kushner was a top official in a Trump administration that sharply restricted immigration and refugee admissions. But his family benefited as refugees from Holocaust Europe." Washington Post |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by armyofone(m): 5:12pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
ijebosb:You guys permission to launch my laughter 🤣🤣🤣 |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Nobody: 5:19pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
Gerrard59:You see the problem I have with you men. You judge or analyse your selves based on reasons, causes, intentions, what led to what. Then judge women by results, aftermaths, consequences. I asked you to tell me the consequences and not causes for adultery. You dodged to give me reasons. Yet when you were analysing single parenting , you were talking of consequences. Well, but vices have come to stay sadly . developed societies have structures put in place to cushion its effect. The quality of the society determines how single parenting affect its. You cant keep doing the same thing and expect better results. With the shaming, scorn , poverty and discrimination, you will get the results you prophecy The single parenting talk about is not only out of wedlock. Divorce, widowhood, causes( there was a time you shamed a man that was dating a widow). The adultery you support leads to broken home and single motherhood. But you keep quoting statistics as you wiśh |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 5:38pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
Obrigardo:Despite visible history everyone can learn from, most people still don't take public policy issues seriously until they're affected by it. They don't bother to look beyond the immediate present benefits derived from supporting government pursuits that damage their national interests. Nigerians in Jan 2012 thought they were smart in rioting against the withdrawal of fuel subsidies. USA citizens in 2020 thought they were smart in supporting massive spending on covid subsidies. Immigration in the USA is having a huge effect on the citizens, most especially the lower skilled and poorer working class folks and their neighborhoods. There's cities in the USA...New York and Denver are well known examples, where services for poor neighborhood have been cut and the money directly reallocated to spending on housing and food for ILLEGAL immigrants. Also immigrants commit a lot of crime, even entering the USA illegally or under false pretenses in the first place is a crime. Google is our friend. Tightpussy2024:You're correct. Adultery can lead to deleterious consequences. This is very true, especially if we accept a monogamous nuclear family as the best basis for a better society. If I may ask, is it only MEN that engage in adultery? Another ancillary question - are men solely to blame for adultery? And I must clarify - I'm referring to consensual HETEROSEXUAL adultery, that's something that has to be mentioned these days. Good Luck to Nigerians. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Nobody: 5:53pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
IbeOkehie:I will not signify your question with an answer |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 6:00pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
Tightpussy2024:That's fine. Women are part and parcel of the practice of adultery and share blame for all the negative outcomes. Again, NATURE will take its course and everyone is free to do as they please, the key is don't ask anyone else to pay the cost. Good Luck to Nigerians. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:03pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
bemeruca:buttress- I see you found a thesaurus. But still happened to spell it wrong. Lol. Or are you using ChatGpt to write your posts again? You do remember when you started using ChatGpt to write posts because you were insecure that you always sounded uneducated? Lol. Good times. Lol. But, not playing your game. You came out your mouth, got made to look the fool and now are choosing to obfuscate. Your post and what you were talking about is there for all to see. But it's your pattern. You like to speak on things you don't understand, have no idea of and then don't research. I read the Hur report, have you? No. I've been to a black Church in the US, have you? No. He said he went to the website of the "black church". Lol. I can rent a tent, black people will show up and it will be a black church. It's a concept, not a building. So, if a church has 99% white people in it, it's not Black church. Have you ever stepped foot in the US? No. But, you spent a year lying about it to pretend to have experience. I've downgraded you to below babbling buffoon and a degenerate buffoon to boot. Stop trying to pretend you are smarter than you are, people can see the lie. Pax. And fyi, people wanted Biden to leave the race not because people didn't think he could be President now, but that in 2 years he would have a harder time because he is slowing down because of age. So, why hang on now. The fact you can't understand the difference is why you'll always be an idjit (just so you don't have me banned again for the 4th time for calling you an idiot)... You do remember being so insecure about how uneducated you are, you would call others idiot, but report me and try to get me banned anytime I called you an idiot? Good Times. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 6:03pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
raumdeuter:LoLz. How is this then the Dems lying? When it was clear his characterisation of Biden in his report didn't match the transcripts? |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 6:12pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
LordReed:Hur said Biden was not mentally capable to stand a trial Dems claimed he was lying Few months later the same Dems forced Biden to step down for not being mentally capable to be in a contest and rule for the next 4yrs |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 6:32pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
ijebosb:Keep your emotions in one place. This crap you are saying now is what you have said to budaatum, raumdeuter and many more when you are seriously emotional. You subconsciously start to project your feelings onto them to make you look sane when in reality you are breaking down. Your read hur's report so tell us how what you posted relates to what raumdeuter and LordReed are talking about? I know you have this tendency to be the center of attention, we know you are a professional notice-me. The discussion is Hur lied about Biden's mental state. Tell us how what you posted relates to that. You don't know what they are talking about but you want to interject. You have been to a black church in US yet you did not talk from your own experience, you went to Don Lemon to explain to you why what you are seeing is not true after seeing their Sunday service and their website. How long before your emotions run so high that you leave this thread once again? You are the only Harvard graduate here, don't give that institution a bad name. Again, get the source or report your claimed to have read and tell us how Hur was wrong about Biden's senile state. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:33pm On Jul 22, 2024*. Modified: 6:55pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
IbeOkehie:You should do more research before writing these posts. 1.) Spending Deficit spending is a part of Keynesian economics. The belief is that you have to spend your way out of a recession. Another basic principle of Keynesian economics is that the best way to pull an economy out of a recession is for the government to increase demand by infusing the economy with capital. In short, consumption (spending) is the key to economic recovery.And comparatively the US economy is doing better than most major economies even with inflation. Not sure there is any country that would not trade places. The United States economy grew faster than any other large advanced economy last year — by a wide margin — and is on track to do so again in 2024.There were trade-offs after the pandemic. There was going to be inflation after everything restarted and I think companies are currently taking the piss. But, as I said I don't think any country wouldn't trade places. 2.) Immigration. Asylum claims are legal. That is what most of the immigration is coming from. The problem is that it takes a while to adjudicate the cases (sometimes 4 years), so people are let into the US until their case is adjudicated which is the LAW. How does the asylum process work at the border?3.) Immigrants committing crimes Do you have any stat that says immigrants are committing more crimes as a group than Americans? I get the argument, more people, potentially more crime. But the argument that Trump is making is that immigrants by virtue of them being immigrants are prone to commit more crime. Do you have that stat? |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by LordReed(m): 6:33pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
raumdeuter:Are we reading the same article? Where does Hur say Biden is mentally incapable of standing a trial? Hur's report mischaracterised the interview simple and short. Whatever other inference you want to draw from the interview are beyond the scope of what Hur was Investgating which was the complaint the Dems had. To now call that lying is a stretch the length of Ojudu to Mile 2. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:39pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
bemeruca:You are what talking to a toddler feels like. Go post some more pics of Canada pretending it's the US. Jesus, you are a Loser. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by IbeOkehie: 6:44pm On Jul 22, 2024*. Modified: 9:01pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
ijebosb:I thought you'd resolved to ignore my comments. I'd advise you to continue with that. I have zero interest in convincing you of anything. Good Luck to Nigerians. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 6:46pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
IbeOkehie:You don't have to convince me, but I'd assume you wouldn't want to be unknowingly spreading misinformation. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 6:52pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
ijebosb:Who haven't called you a man child here? Tell me one person you disagreed with that did not come to that conclusion. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by happney65: 6:56pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
Pelosi endorses Kamala |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by ijebosb: 7:06pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
I can't wait to vote against Trump just because of that "Black Job" comment. Fux him and his minimizing black people.
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by bemeruca: 7:17pm On Jul 22, 2024*. Modified: 7:33pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
ijebosb:Minimising them like this? You saw how everyone treated her like she does not belong there including Biden? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQKr6WyJmAw |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 7:50pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
Oh I remember this. Just as Nikki Haley's voter pac just endorsed Kamala. All rank and file Dems endorsing left to right. Convicted felon trump is a fúcking loser
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| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 7:56pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
raumdeuter:Shhhhh there Republican elites my ass, meanwhile convicted felon trump is backed by The Andelsons, elon, and billionaires like thiel etc. Una go just dey talk rubbish. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 8:05pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
I need to try my hands on political prophecy. I think I'll be a sensation. The first time I saw a profile of Kamala in the Washington Post when she was just freshly sworn in as junior senator, a clear voice told me she will be president. Imagine if I started talking about it then, my stocks would have blown the sky. |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 8:19pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
LordReed:Another reason was damning: that Biden's obvious memory lapses would make it hard to convict him. Biden showed "diminished faculties and faulty memory," the report said His memory "appeared to have significant limitations. It also said these lapses were evident not only in interviews with investigators last year, but also in recorded 2017 interviews Biden gave to his book ghostwriter. The report says Biden struggled to remember what years he was vice-president: "If it was 2013 — when did I stop being vice-president?" it quotes him saying during an interview last fall. He left the vice-presidency in 2017. https://ca.news.yahoo.com/diminished-faculties-faulty-memory-significant-010332271.html |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by raumdeuter: 8:21pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
Obrigardo:In 2016, Trump was not supported by any of the Republican nominee for president's alive from Bush to Romney to McCain. It doesn't get more elite for the Republicans more than those |
| Re: American Politics Thread: Trump Is The 47th President! by Obrigardo: 8:25pm On Jul 22, 2024 |
raumdeuter:Yep, they had their damn good reasons and it's clear to see. Even you, yes you, you can't even trust the life of your child in convicted felon trump's hands. Even his Vp mike pence can't even support him. To you now, pence is an elite, abi? Rubbish. |
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