₦airaland Forum

seunowa:
The guy has made himself a stumbling block for those who are not well established in the knowledge of the cross through which God reconciled humanity to himself by not counting their sins against them.

I can't make heads or tails about this your comment..

sonmvayina:
Believe what you like....

Believe what I like or it should be are the Jewish scholars right or wrong.

AntiChristian:
Where did Jesus summed up this your thought directly to anyone he preached to in an unambiguous manner?

I think you are making yourself a stumbling block to others whose faces are veiled to the works of Christ on the cross.
In Mathew 6, Jesus Christ was talking to his disciples to always do away with the habits of the pharisses and the scribes which run opposite to what the followers of Christ must exhibit. And such behaviors by pharisses include hypocrisy in prayers and arms-giving.
In verse 14 , Jesus Christ told them to always be ready to forgive those who offend them so that God will forgive them.
What this verse means is that those who follow Christ's teachings must not harbor unforgiving spirit in their hearts because doing so will create broken fellowship with God. Hence, God will not forgive their unforgiving tendencies.
Ephesians 1:7 explains how God put an end to sin that has come to all humanity through the disobedience of Adam and Eve and the results which is death. jesus's blood renders sin and its effect null and void in the life of those of Jesus disciple. Who are the disciple of Jesus Christ? Those who believe in his teachings and works on the cross.
Therefore, if you follow and obey Jesus Christ, one must not harbor unforgiving spirit and hatred in his heart against his neighbors. Hence,one will incur God's wrath.

sonmvayina:
I can't make heads or tails about this your comment..

I was only referring to op who is putting veil on your face not to see light of the gospel of Christ.

seunowa:
I was only referring to op who is putting veil on your face not to see light of the gospel of Christ.

I'm not putting any veil on anyone's veil! Jesus Christ was never crucified! All those crucifixion stories are forged that's why you'll always see many contradictions therein.

https://www.nairaland.com/8169018/jesus-criminals-beautiful-contradiction-across

Everyone posses a mind of their own to think and rationally too!

seunowa:
I think you are making yourself a stumbling block to others whose faces are veiled to the works of Christ on the cross.

What work did he do? He was never crucified! All those crucifixion stories are false!

In Mathew 6, Jesus Christ was talking to his disciples to always do away with the habits of the pharisees and the scribes which run opposite to what the followers of Christ must exhibit. And such behaviors by pharisses include hypocrisy in prayers and arms-giving.
In verse 14 , Jesus Christ told them to always be ready to forgive those who offend them so that God will forgive them.
What this verse means is that those who follow Christ's teachings must not harbor unforgiving spirit in their hearts because doing so will create broken fellowship with God. Hence, God will not forgive their unforgiving tendencies.

If they forgive others God will forgive them too. No blood needed for forgiveness here!

Ephesians 1:7 explains how God put an end to sin that has come to all humanity through the disobedience of Adam and Eve and the results which is death. Jesus's blood renders sin and its effect null and void in the life of those of Jesus disciple. Who are the disciple of Jesus Christ? Those who believe in his teachings and works on the cross.
Therefore, if you follow and obey Jesus Christ, one must not harbor unforgiving spirit and hatred in his heart against his neighbors. Hence,one will incur God's wrath.

The Paul wrote his letter to his congregation in Ephesians and turn everything upside down!

seunowa:
I was only referring to op who is putting veil on your face not to see light of the gospel of Christ.

Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire. Don't you understand it?

I don't know how else to educate and make you understand. He was created as a mockery to God. There is only one God creator of heaven and earth. There is no other God besides him....

You guys are easy to deceive....

SIRTee15:
Believe what I like or it should be are the Jewish scholars right or wrong.

You are just being deceived.

God promised a Messiah.
He is not coming to die...if he died, he can't be a Messiah.
God already gave a solution to the problem of sin. That alone will tell you, he is not coming to die for sin, so what is he coming to do...
This thread will enlighten you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6863821/what-purpose-messiah

sonmvayina:
Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire. Don't you understand it?

I don't know how else to educate and make you understand. He was created as a mockery to God. There is only one God creator of heaven and earth. There is no other God besides him....

You guys are easy to deceive....

Even if our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing. The gods of this age have blinded you so that you can not see the light of the knowledge God whose reality is in Christ, the image of God.

sonmvayina:
You are just being deceived.

God promised a Messiah.
He is not coming to die...if he died, he can't be a Messiah.
God already gave a solution to the problem of sin. That alone will tell you, he is not coming to die for sin, so what is he coming to do...
This thread will enlighten you.

https://www.nairaland.com/6863821/what-purpose-messiah

Answer this question
Who should I believe, U or ancient rabbinical Jews who compiled the tanakh

SIRTee15:
Answer this question
Who should I believe, U or ancient rabbinical Jews who compiled the tanakh

Mention the names of the ancient rabbinical Jews who did the compilations?

SIRTee15:
Answer this question
Who should I believe, U or ancient rabbinical Jews who compiled the tanakh

Stop arguing with people who will not accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. You are only wasting your time, just pray for them and leave them alone. Continuing preaching the gospel as the Holy Spirit guide you and leave the conversion of people heart to God.

atoliman:
Stop arguing with people who will not accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah. You are only wasting your time, just pray for them and leave them alone. Continuing preaching the gospel as the Holy Spirit guide you and leave the conversion of people heart to God.

Which holy spirit dey guide una?

SIRTee15:
Answer this question
Who should I believe, U or ancient rabbinical Jews who compiled the tanakh

No sane jew ever believed there was Jesus in that passage... believe what you want...
God hates human sacrifice...

seunowa:
Even if our gospel is veiled it is veiled to those who are perishing. The gods of this age have blinded you so that you can not see the light of the knowledge God whose reality is in Christ, the image of God.

Even if he existed how is he different from us..
Wbe worshipping a man as God. Hope you know the meaning of idolatry..continue. you will soon begin to grind your teeth.

AntiChristian:
Mention the names of the ancient rabbinical Jews who did the compilations?

What has that got to do with my question.
Who should I believe?
U or ancient rabbinical Jews in BC era?

sonmvayina:
No sane jew ever believed there was Jesus in that passage... believe what you want...
God hates human sacrifice...

There's no human sacrifice anywhere except in your head
What Jesus did is called self sacrifice.

AntiChristian:
Mention the names of the ancient rabbinical Jews who did the compilations?

My friend that ran away, I didn't know it was U.
I thought it was that confused black Jew.

This is your answer...
The Tanakh was compiled by the men of the Great Assembly (Anshei K'nesset HaGedolah), a task completed in 450 BCE, and it has remained unchanged ever since.

Now answer my question.

Why did God tell the Israelites to use animal blood as atonement for sin but told Muhammed something different.

If God can forgive sin without shedding of blood, why did he tell the Israelites to shed animal blood for forgiveness of sin.

sonmvayina:
Even if he existed how is he different from us..
Wbe worshipping a man as God. Hope you know the meaning of idolatry..continue. you will soon begin to grind your teeth.

Jesus Christ is God in human flesh. God did that because of his immense love for humanity, God took away our sin and nail it his body in Christ Jesus and in turn gave those who believe on his works on the cross his righteousness so that we can obtain eternal life. Please do not mock his works he did for you and everyone in Christ Jesus.

sonmvayina:
No sane jew ever believed there was Jesus in that passage... believe what you want.....

So Jews who wrote the Targum are not sane??

seunowa:
Jesus Christ is God in human flesh. God did that because of his immense love for humanity, God took away our sin and nail it his body in Christ Jesus and in turn gave those who believe on his works on the cross his righteousness so that we can obtain eternal life. Please do not mock his works he did for you and everyone in Christ Jesus.

Read Numbers 23:19

SIRTee15:
There's no human sacrifice anywhere except in your head
What Jesus did is called self sacrifice.

For who
For what?

Which human is not going to die?
What did ken saro wiwa do?

Be deluding yourself..

SIRTee15:
My friend that ran away, I didn't know it was U.
I thought it was that confused black Jew.

This is your answer...
The Tanakh was compiled by the men of the Great Assembly (Anshei K'nesset HaGedolah), a task completed in 450 BCE, and it has remained unchanged ever since.

I asked for the names of the ancient rabbinical Jews who did the compilations! Names please?

Now answer my question.

Why did God tell the Israelites to use animal blood as atonement for sin but told Muhammed something different.

If God can forgive sin without shedding of blood, why did he tell the Israelites to shed animal blood for forgiveness of sin.

The truth is that God forgave sins in many other ways other than sacrificial offerings!

Here are some examples of forgiveness of sins practices in the Old Testament with corresponding verses from the Bible:
1.Sacrificial Offerings:
Leviticus 4:27-31 (NIV): "If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, when they realize their guilt and the sin they have committed becomes known, they must bring as their offering for the sin they committed a female goat without defect. They are to lay their hand on its head and slaughter it for a sin offering at the place where the burnt offering is slaughtered."

2. Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur):
Leviticus 16:29-30 (NIV): "This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you— because on this day atonement will be made for you, to cleanse you. Then, before the Lord, you will be clean from all your sins."

3. Confession and Repentance:
Psalm 32:5 (NIV): "Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, 'I will confess my transgressions to the Lord.' And you forgave the guilt of my sin."

4. Prayer and Intercession:
1 Kings 8:30 (NIV): "Hear the supplication of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place, and when you hear, forgive."

5. Restitution:
Numbers 5:6-7 (NIV): "Say to the Israelites: 'Any man or woman who wrongs another in any way and so is unfaithful to the Lord is guilty and must confess the sin they have committed. They must make full restitution for the wrong they have done, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the person they have wronged.'"

These examples from the Bible illustrate the various ways in which the Israelites sought forgiveness of sins through sacrificial offerings, the Day of Atonement, confession and repentance, prayer and intercession, as well as making restitution for wrongdoing.

I still don't understand why you are fixated only on sacrificial offerings when other methods existed! Probably just to promote your vicarious atonement in Jesus falsehood!

sonmvayina:
Read Numbers 23:19

You are obviously missing out on the context of numbers 23:19....
The Bible passage is clearly saying that God is not a man that lies, changes his mind and reneges on his promises.
God speaks and acts, he promises and fulfill.
The passage has nothing to do with whether God cannot exist in flesh. For whatever God says he will surely accomplish unlike man.

In Leviticus 26:12, God says " I will live with them and walk among you. I will be their God and they will be my people". God accomplished this promise when He became flesh in Jesus Christ.

SIRTee15:
What has that got to do with my question.
Who should I believe?
U or ancient rabbinical Jews in BC era?

At least we need to know a few things about who wrote what we are to believe!

What do you know about the ancient rabbinical Jews who did the compilations?
How educated were they?
Were they in the right frame of mind?
Where there writings subjected to copyist error?
Do they have sound memory?
How did they preserve the writings from generation to generation?
Are the names of each copyists from generation to generation documented?
Did anyone memorized the writings to transmit them?

AntiChristian:
Which holy spirit dey guide una?

the one you do not believe He exist and the one people think it is made up or figure of imagination or Fantasy like Harry Potter or Santa Claus

atoliman:
the one you do not believe He exist and the one people think it is made up or figure of imagination or Fantasy like Harry Potter or Santa Claus

What is Holy Spirit?

AntiChristian:
What is Holy Spirit?

15 “If you love Me, 4keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and tHe will give you another 5Helper, that He may abide with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

atoliman:
15 “If you love Me, 4keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and tHe will give you another 5Helper, that He may abide with you forever—17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

I asked what is the Holy Spirit?
How does it/she/he exist?
What is its function?
Will the Holy Spirit protest with you and other Christians tomorrow?

AntiChristian:
I asked for the names of the ancient rabbinical Jews who did the compilations! Names please?

Names of the men of great assembly who compiled the tanakh
Ezra
Zerubabbel
Simeon hatzadik
Nehemiah
Zechariah
Malachi,
Daniel,
Mishael and Azaryah
Mordechai
Obadiah
Yeshua the high priest son of Azaniah

I listed the prominent ones U will know if U familiar with the exilic and post exilic scrptures. The list has 120 prophets, scribes, Levites and priests.

Read Nehemiah 9,10 and 11 for the comprehensive list.

sonmvayina:
For who
For what?

Which human is not going to die?
What did ken saro wiwa do?

Be deluding yourself..

If a father rescue his child who is drowning but lost his own life while saving his child...
Will U call that human sacrifice or self sacrifice

SIRTee15:
If a father rescue his child who is drowning but lost his own life while saving his child...
Will U call that human sacrifice or self sacrifice

Yes, because he sacrificed his own life for the child, it is what any father would do....
Not God, God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent....
He does not die and does not need to...
The story says Jesus was tried and executed. He died because he is a human being...
God only asked us for a sincere repentance and he would forgive...that is what a loving father would do...not send somebody to die ( whatever that means) after giving an instruction "thou shall not kill"

Does not make sense my brother.