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seunowa:
You are obviously missing out on the context of numbers 23:19....
The Bible passage is clearly saying that God is not a man that lies, changes his mind and reneges on his promises.
God speaks and acts, he promises and fulfill.
The passage has nothing to do with whether God cannot exist in flesh. For whatever God says he will surely accomplish unlike man.

In Leviticus 26:12, God says " I will live with them and walk among you. I will be their God and they will be my people". God accomplished this promise when He became flesh in Jesus Christ.

God is omnipresent...do you know what that means...

Several places should that Jesus lied...so he is trillions of miles from being holy...

sonmvayina:
Yes, because he sacrificed his own life for the child, it is what any father would do....
Not God, God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent....
He does not die and does not need to...
The story says Jesus was tried and executed. He died because he is a human being...
God only asked us for a sincere repentance and he would forgive...that is what a loving father would do...not send somebody to die ( whatever that means) after giving an instruction "thou shall not kill"

Does not make sense my brother.

We talking about Jesus when he was here on earth!!!
Nobody is making reference to God dying for anybody's sin.
What Jesus did was self sacrifice....he died that we may live.
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
John 15.13

Above is definition of what Jesus did; and this is not human sacrifice. Human sacrifice is only in your head.

The issue of repentance by blood has been thrashed.
If God can forgive just by asking, why did he tell Israelites to sacrifice animals and use their blood to atone for sins.

Don't come here with that thoughtless defence of there other ways God forgive sin because what U indirectly saying is BLOOD SACRIFICE IS ONE OF THE WAYS GOD FORGIVES SIN.

Therefore U admitting that God forgive sin through blood sacrifice. And that's exactly what I'm asking U.

Why did God Israelites to atone for sin with animal blood sacrifice?

AntiChristian:
I asked for the names of the ancient rabbinical Jews who did the compilations! Names please?



The truth is that God forgave sins in many other ways other than sacrificial offerings!

Here are some examples of forgiveness of sins practices in the Old Testament with corresponding verses from the Bible:
1.Sacrificial Offerings:
Leviticus 4:27-31 (NIV): "If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, when they realize their guilt and the sin they have committed becomes known, they must bring as their offering for the sin they committed a female goat without defect. They are to lay their hand on its head and slaughter it for a sin offering at the place where the burnt offering is slaughtered."

2. Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur):
Leviticus 16:29-30 (NIV): "This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you— because on this day atonement will be made for you, to cleanse you. Then, before the Lord, you will be clean from all your sins."

3. Confession and Repentance:
Psalm 32:5 (NIV): "Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, 'I will confess my transgressions to the Lord.' And you forgave the guilt of my sin."

4. Prayer and Intercession:
1 Kings 8:30 (NIV): "Hear the supplication of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place, and when you hear, forgive."

5. Restitution:
Numbers 5:6-7 (NIV): "Say to the Israelites: 'Any man or woman who wrongs another in any way and so is unfaithful to the Lord is guilty and must confess the sin they have committed. They must make full restitution for the wrong they have done, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the person they have wronged.'"

These examples from the Bible illustrate the various ways in which the Israelites sought forgiveness of sins through sacrificial offerings, the Day of Atonement, confession and repentance, prayer and intercession, as well as making restitution for wrongdoing.

I still don't understand why you are fixated only on sacrificial offerings when other methods existed! Probably just to promote your vicarious atonement in Jesus falsehood!

This thoughtless argument U people bring anytime they ask U this question is ridiculous.
What U guys don't realise is u indirectly admitting that BLOOD SACRIFICE IS ONE OF THE WAYS GOD FORGIVES SIN.
U haven't negated forgiveness of sin via blood sacrifice but only listed other ways U think God forgives sin.

And my question remains valid. If God can forgive sin just by asking, why did he demand animal blood sacrifice from the Israelites and prophets of old testament.

AntiChristian:
I asked for the names of the ancient rabbinical Jews who did the compilations! Names please?



The truth is that God forgave sins in many other ways other than sacrificial offerings!

Here are some examples of forgiveness of sins practices in the Old Testament with corresponding verses from the Bible:
1.Sacrificial Offerings:
Leviticus 4:27-31 (NIV): "If any member of the community sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the Lord’s commands, when they realize their guilt and the sin they have committed becomes known, they must bring as their offering for the sin they committed a female goat without defect. They are to lay their hand on its head and slaughter it for a sin offering at the place where the burnt offering is slaughtered."

2. Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur):
Leviticus 16:29-30 (NIV): "This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you— because on this day atonement will be made for you, to cleanse you. Then, before the Lord, you will be clean from all your sins."

3. Confession and Repentance:
Psalm 32:5 (NIV): "Then I acknowledged my sin to you and did not cover up my iniquity. I said, 'I will confess my transgressions to the Lord.' And you forgave the guilt of my sin."

4. Prayer and Intercession:
1 Kings 8:30 (NIV): "Hear the supplication of your servant and of your people Israel when they pray toward this place. Hear from heaven, your dwelling place, and when you hear, forgive."

5. Restitution:
Numbers 5:6-7 (NIV): "Say to the Israelites: 'Any man or woman who wrongs another in any way and so is unfaithful to the Lord is guilty and must confess the sin they have committed. They must make full restitution for the wrong they have done, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the person they have wronged.'"

These examples from the Bible illustrate the various ways in which the Israelites sought forgiveness of sins through sacrificial offerings, the Day of Atonement, confession and repentance, prayer and intercession, as well as making restitution for wrongdoing.

I still don't understand why you are fixated only on sacrificial offerings when other methods existed! Probably just to promote your vicarious atonement in Jesus falsehood!

Now that I've destroyed your argument, allow me to expose your ignorance.

U mentioned day of atonement as one of the ways God forgive sin without shedding of blood.
What a joke and a laff!!!!
Day of atonement itself is the day of blood. It's the day the sins of Israelites over the past one year is atoned for with blood!!!
Read Leviticus 23
The high priest atoned for his own sin with the blood of a bull and then proceed to atone for the sin of Israelites with 2 two goats, one to be sacrificed “because of the uncleanness and rebellion of the Israelites, whatever their sins have been” !!!


Your argument on repentance and forgiveness just depicts your poor understanding of salvation in the bible.
Repentance precede any forgiveness of sin. There can be no forgiveness of sin without repentance which sometimes include restitution.
You are not expected to take any offering to the priest for atonement is sin without an acceptable genuine repentance otherwise your sacrifice is a waste.

David depicts it clearly in psalm 51.

You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it;
you do not take pleasure in burnt offering[/b]s.
17 My sacrifice, O God, is a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart
you, God, will not despise.

18 May it please you to prosper Zion,
to build up the walls of Jerusalem.
19[b] Then you will delight in the sacrifices of the righteous,
in burnt offerings offered whole;
then bulls will be offered on your altar.



As U can see from the psalm, David made it clear that God reject the sacrifice of the ungodly and wicked.
Reference Cain and Abel. Cain's heart was evil this God rejected his sacrifice.

A genuine repentance must be fulfilled prior to God delighting in your sacrifice.
Otherwise your the sacrificial atonement for sin is useless.

Go and read Leviticus 1-6 to fully understand the dynamic relationship btw repentance, restitution and blood sacrificial offering.

SIRTee15:
We talking about Jesus when he was here on earth!!!
Nobody is making reference to God dying for anybody's sin.
What Jesus did was self sacrifice....he died that we may live.
Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
John 15.13

Above is definition of what Jesus did; and this is not human sacrifice. Human sacrifice is only in your head.

The issue of repentance by blood has been thrashed.
If God can forgive just by asking, why did he tell Israelites to sacrifice animals and use their blood to atone for sins.

Don't come here with that thoughtless defence of there other ways God forgive sin because what U indirectly saying is BLOOD SACRIFICE IS ONE OF THE WAYS GOD FORGIVES SIN.

Therefore U admitting that God forgive sin through blood sacrifice. And that's exactly what I'm asking U.

Why did God Israelites to atone for sin with animal blood sacrifice?

How does somebody injury benefit somebody else..

How does my injury help you to pay your rent?

How does a mans death benefit anybody? I don't understand..please enlighten me the spiritual implications and benefits.
I don't understand.

Human sacrifice....NEVER A HUMAN.
The animal must be blemish...

Killing a human. For any kind of sacrifice is evil and demonic.

Don't you understand?

Except you are advising God that animal sacrifice won't be enough, and has decided to offer him a human being.

AntiChristian:
I asked what is the Holy Spirit?
How does it/she/he exist?
What is its function?
Will the Holy Spirit protest with you and other Christians tomorrow?

your questions sound like you mocking Christianity. Your name said it all, i will not answer your questions

atoliman:
your questions sound like you mocking Christianity. Your name said it all, i will not answer your questions

You won't because you can't!
Thanks!

AntiChristian:
You won't because you can't!
Thanks!

You are a fo0l.when you open your eyes in hell,you will be full of regret.Christians and some Muslims avoid blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT because it is an unforgivable sin.A wise person will be careful incase his or her religion/argument is not the the right one.You are forever doomed.

Plus1234:
You are a fo0l.when you open your eyes in hell,you will be full of regret.Christians and some Muslims avoid blasphemy against the HOLY SPIRIT because it is an unforgivable sin.A wise person will be careful incase his or her religion/argument is not the the right one.You are forever doomed.

What's Holy spirit? How does it exist? Where does it come from?

And how are you sure I would be in hell and not you and your fam will?

Does your Bible say you shall not judge for as you judge you will be judged?

AntiChristian:
You won't because you can't!
Thanks!

I can
holy Spirit is God , simple as ABC. if you are atheist , then I am writing nonsense to you. Holy Spirit is not an angel or a feeling. He is real. You can ask google more about the Holy Spirit.

atoliman:
I can
holy Spirit is God , simple as ABC. if you are atheist , then I am writing nonsense to you. Holy Spirit is not an angel or a feeling. He is real. You can ask google more about the Holy Spirit.

So Google would explain what you can't explain? Is Google's output not written by earthly men?

Even the Holy spirit can't inspire you to define holy spirit!

Holy Spirit can never be God! You can show where it's written!