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Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 7:25pm On Aug 02, 2024
Michael547:
How....explain
Because the bible did'nt mention`representative'it said `i will'
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 7:30pm On Aug 02, 2024
Kingsempires:
Because the bible did'nt mention`representative'it said `i will'
Oga 'I will' is not the bone of contention....who is the identity of the firstborn in that verse. Bible hub commentary says it is the only begotten from the Father. So who is that person? Jesus or David?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 10:11pm On Aug 02, 2024
That was God promises to david not Jesus
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by sonmvayina(m): 10:13pm On Aug 02, 2024
Kingsempires:
No,you are wrong the four gospel where written according to the people which name was written on the gospEl title
Do more research..

The gospel were actually written by anonymous authors...

Nobody knows who...the Catholic church added those names.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 10:19pm On Aug 02, 2024
sonmvayina:
Do more research..

The gospel were actually written by anonymous authors...

Nobody knows who...the Catholic church added those names.
Oh my God were did you get this story from?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by sonmvayina(m): 10:32pm On Aug 02, 2024
Kingsempires:
Oh my God were did you get this story from?
https://www.worldhistory.org/The_Gospels/
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Janosky:
Tetraozonaitera:
The word had been existing with God. Even before the creation of the world.
The Bible says Without Him Nothing was created that was created. So what exactly are you saying?
He existed with God before the "Let there be Light"
Are you saying God has not been talking before "Let there be Light?" grin

Dont Get yourself confused to win an argument.

Since you cant Exist Without Your word and
You were made in the Image of God. That means God HAS BEEN Existing with his Word since before TIME.
God's word (His utterances) for instance, "God said to them: 'Be fruitful'" @Genesis 1:28 etc) is not to confused with another being called "the Word."
His word (utterances) different from "the Word", another being.
If God did not speak, would another being called the word exist?

Oga, is my question now clearer to you?

My point is: God is the Source of another being called "the word" as Miles Monroe rightly pointed out
.


Hebrew 1:6, "God brings His first born into the world"

Oga, who is that first born of God in Hebrew 1:6?

Is the spirit realm older than the physical realm?

Have you ever observed that the first born in Hebrew 1:6 is the first born in the spirit realm?

Is the being called "the Word" the same being called the first born of God @ Hebrew 1:6?

Oga, what is the meaning of "first born" in your native tongue?


Everyone following this thread would be interested in your response to these important questions.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 11:18pm On Aug 02, 2024
sonmvayina:
https://www.worldhistory.org/The_Gospels/
Guy na today be the first time na in i dey read this history
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Janosky: 11:34pm On Aug 02, 2024
Steep:
just before coming to the earth. See Phil 2:7.
He made himself of no reputation taking the form of a servant, before he was made a man.
Note the change of language,before taking upon himself the form of a servant he did all things by his authority but after taking upon himself the form of a servant he relinquished that authority to the father and he was made a man not by himself.

"taking upon himself the form of a servant he did all things by his authority "
grin grin

Oga, study that link & understand where your delusion was brought into Phillipians 2:6-7.

https://skipmoen.com/2014/10/the-assumed-trinity-a-look-at-philippians-26/#:~:text=The%20Greek%20reads%20hos%20en,regarded%20equality%20as%20not%20something.

Steep:
We don't see different gods but one God who is in three different persons playing different roles to fulfill his will.
Exodus 15:11 "who is like unto thee, O Jehovah ,among the gods?

Oga Steep is Exodus 15:11 & Psalm 82:1,6 inspired in your own Bible?

Jehovah the ONLY True God the Most High calls His sons gods, Psalm 83:18 & Psalm 82:6


Oga Steep, Jesus said " the holy scriptures can not be broken",@ John 10:34-36 he quoted Psalm 82:6 which you don't accept.

Oga Steep wan change the holy scriptures to fit his man made delusion invented at Nicene.
grin grin grin
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Janosky: 11:52pm On Aug 02, 2024
StillDtruth:
Correct uppercut!

And see how he ran away after i answered him in the beginning.of this thread
The Word is a spirit being created by God who created the world.
God said to them: "Be fruitful", that utterance is not the spirit being called "the Word.

Deluded WAILER.

grin grin
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 2:24am On Aug 03, 2024
Michael547:
Lol....has it gotten to insults and aggression?
No! But you insalt yourself by your continous running into a brick wall non stop. That is what mad people do and ufortunately except for Aemmyjah who tries to stay away from the land of madness all other jws here have this played one type of madness or another like you have done and now will do!
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Tetraozonaitera:
Janosky:
God's word (His utterances) for instance, "God said to them: 'Be fruitful'" @Genesis 1:28 etc) is not to confused with another being called "the Word."
His word (utterances) different from "the Word", another being.
If God did not speak, would another being called the word exist?

Oga, is my question now clearer to you?

My point is: God is the Source of another being called "the word" as Miles Monroe rightly pointed out
.


Hebrew 1:6, "God brings His first born into the world"

Oga, who is that first born of God in Hebrew 1:6?

Is the spirit realm older than the physical realm?

Have you ever observed that the first born in Hebrew 1:6 is the first born in the spirit realm?

Is the being called "the Word" the same being called the first born of God @ Hebrew 1:6?

Oga, what is the meaning of "first born" in your native tongue?


Everyone following this thread would be interested in your response to these important questions.
Janoski I love your points I will respond when I have the time. grin

In the mean Time, explain what "The Word" means to our readers. You can see I replied at midnight so, I will respond properly to you later. Meanwhile again, explain what "The Word" means.
Shalom

Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:35am On Aug 03, 2024
Tetraozonaitera:
Janoski I love your points I will respond when I have the time. grin

In the mean Time, explain what "The Word" means to our readers. You can see I replied at midnight so, I will respond properly to you later. Meanwhile again, explain what "The Word" means.
Shalom
The WORD spoke at Proverbs 8:22-30 please read and compare!
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 7:08am On Aug 03, 2024
StillDtruth:
No! But you insalt yourself by your continous running into a brick wall non stop. That is what mad people do and ufortunately except for Aemmyjah who tries to stay away from the land of madness all other jws here have this played one type of madness or another like you have done and now will do!
Why is it always about the JWs?
Why not stick to neutral bible discussions. Must you attack a particular christian denomination? If you believe you have the truth personally, why not prove it in discussions like these?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Kingsempires(m): 7:32am On Aug 03, 2024
Michael547:
Why is it always about the JWs?
Why not stick to neutral bible discussions. Must you attack a particular christian denomination? If you believe you have the truth personally, why not prove it in discussions like these?
Ok is just that in every agrument we learn something from it
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 8:16am On Aug 03, 2024
Kingsempires:
Ok is just that in every agrument we learn something from it
That is true.....but two people cannot be correct in contradiction.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Tetraozonaitera: 9:10am On Aug 03, 2024
MaxInDHouse:
The WORD spoke at Proverbs 8:22-30 please read and compare!
You are wrong bro.
Why read from verse 22?
Why not from the beginning of the chapter for better understanding?

You dont just jump into conclusion like that.
That was not the Word speaking.
That was WISDOM speaking.

The book is a book of divine poems. The writer was a poet. He personalized WISDOM and if you read from the beginning you will understand better.
Dont Just Take What Watchtower says hook-and-sink just because of the respect you have for them. To JW, whatever Watchtower says is FINAL but to true Christians it is not supposed to be so. The Bible is written in several languages so that no one will have the excuse of saying I dont understand.

‭‭PROVERBS 8:13-20 NIV‬‬

[13] TO FEAR THE LORD IS TO HATE EVIL; I HATE PRIDE AND ARROGANCE, EVIL BEHAVIOR AND PERVERSE SPEECH.

[14] COUNSEL AND SOUND JUDGMENT ARE MINE; I HAVE INSIGHT, I HAVE POWER.

[15] BY ME KINGS REIGN AND RULERS ISSUE DECREES THAT ARE JUST;

[16] BY ME PRINCES GOVERN, AND NOBLES—ALL WHO RULE ON EARTH.

[17] I LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE ME, AND THOSE WHO SEEK ME FIND ME.

[18] WITH ME ARE RICHES AND HONOR, ENDURING WEALTH AND PROSPERITY.

[19] MY FRUIT IS BETTER THAN FINE GOLD; WHAT I YIELD SURPASSES CHOICE SILVER.

[20] I WALK IN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, ALONG THE PATHS OF JUSTICE,

https://bible.com/bible/111/pro.8.13.NIV

THAT WAS WISDOM SPEAKING!

IT EVEN SAYS;

BY ME KINGS REIGN AND RULERS ISSUE DECREE THAT ARE JUST.
BY ME PRINCES GOVERN AND NOBLES, ALL WHO RULE ON EARTH

That was not the Word (Jesus) speaking. It was wisdom speaking. Nothing concerns Jesus with all who rule on earth. Every Ruler needs WISDOM to rule wisely and justly.

I am a Poet myself.
Poems are not new to me.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 9:55am On Aug 03, 2024
Tetraozonaitera:
You are wrong bro.
Why read from verse 22?
Why not from the beginning of the chapter for better understanding?

You dont just jump into conclusion like that.
That was not the Word speaking.
That was WISDOM speaking.

The book is a book of divine poems. The writer was a poet. He personalized WISDOM and if you read from the beginning you will understand better.
Dont Just Take What Watchtower says hook-and-sink just because of the respect you have for them. To JW, whatever Watchtower says is FINAL but to true Christians it is not supposed to be so. The Bible is written in several languages so that no one will have the excuse of saying I dont understand.

‭‭PROVERBS 8:13-20 NIV‬‬

[13] TO FEAR THE LORD IS TO HATE EVIL; I HATE PRIDE AND ARROGANCE, EVIL BEHAVIOR AND PERVERSE SPEECH.

[14] COUNSEL AND SOUND JUDGMENT ARE MINE; I HAVE INSIGHT, I HAVE POWER.

[15] BY ME KINGS REIGN AND RULERS ISSUE DECREES THAT ARE JUST;

[16] BY ME PRINCES GOVERN, AND NOBLES—ALL WHO RULE ON EARTH.

[17] I LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE ME, AND THOSE WHO SEEK ME FIND ME.

[18] WITH ME ARE RICHES AND HONOR, ENDURING WEALTH AND PROSPERITY.

[19] MY FRUIT IS BETTER THAN FINE GOLD; WHAT I YIELD SURPASSES CHOICE SILVER.

[20] I WALK IN THE WAY OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, ALONG THE PATHS OF JUSTICE,

https://bible.com/bible/111/pro.8.13.NIV

THAT WAS WISDOM SPEAKING!

IT EVEN SAYS;

BY ME KINGS REIGN AND RULERS ISSUE DECREE THAT ARE JUST.
BY ME PRINCES GOVERN AND NOBLES, ALL WHO RULE ON EARTH

That was not the Word (Jesus) speaking. It was wisdom speaking. Nothing concerns Jesus with all who rule on earth. Every Ruler needs WISDOM to rule wisely and justly.

I am a Poet myself.
Poems are not new to me.
What would you say about the pulpit commentary from bible hub as shown in the screenshot below?

Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Tetraozonaitera: 10:02am On Aug 03, 2024
Michael547:
What would you say about the pulpit commentary from bible hub as shown in the screenshot below?
I love this. Im looking into it. Response later.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 10:02am On Aug 03, 2024
Tetraozonaitera:
I love this. Im looking into it. Response later.
Alright.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Tetraozonaitera: 10:15am On Aug 03, 2024
Michael547:
What would you say about the pulpit commentary from bible hub as shown in the screenshot below?
Yes the 1 Corinthians calls Him wisdom of God but the other one did not.

Anyways, Only Maxim.. Knows why he referred to the book of Proverbs because it seems like an off point to me. Although I had responded to him.
The Proverbs verse he quoted was not about the Word,(Jesus) Reading from the beginning of the chapter proves that.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 10:17am On Aug 03, 2024
Tetraozonaitera:
Yes the 1 Corinthians calls Him wisdom of God but the other one did not.

Anyways, Only Maxim.. Knows why he referred to the book of Proverbs because it seems like an off point to me. Although I had responded to him.
The Proverbs verse he quoted was not about the Word,(Jesus) Reading from the beginning of the chapter proves that.
Which other one did not call Jesus the wisdom of God?

So do you confirm that the pulpit commentary from bible hub is also wrong?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Emusan(m): 10:23am On Aug 03, 2024
Michael547:
What would you say about the pulpit commentary from bible hub as shown in the screenshot below?
Do you then agree with the pulpit commentary?

let's start from there!
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 10:39am On Aug 03, 2024
Michael547:
Why is it always about the JWs?
Why not stick to neutral bible discussions. Must you attack a particular christian denomination? If you believe you have the truth personally, why not prove it in discussions like these?
Nairaland is full of neutral bible discussions. But who here is disturbing this peace of neutrality by drawing attention to your group? No other than jw mad max.

And this is in addition to.the fact that jws are liars, which as you see everyone, including muslims and atheists attacks them and points out the fact that you people are Liars.

And instead of madmax to just run.away in shame, he continues to Lie and twist thereby racking up more attacks and insalts.

So it is jw madmax who sets jw up for abuse
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Emusan(m): 10:46am On Aug 03, 2024
Tetraozonaitera:
Yes the 1 Corinthians calls Him wisdom of God but the other one did not.

Anyways, Only Maxim.. Knows why he referred to the book of Proverbs because it seems like an off point to me. Although I had responded to him.
The Proverbs verse he quoted was not about the Word,(Jesus) Reading from the beginning of the chapter proves that.
Look at the 1 Corin very well and see the implication of Jesus not being God as they are trying to postulate.

If Jesus is the Wisdom and Power of God. It means before Jesus was created according to their claim, God was without Power and Wisdom.

Notice: 1 Corin didn't say Jesus became POWER OR WISDOM of God but He is THE WISDOM AND POWER OF GOD.

Other point is, in Prov 8:22-31, look at the description of the Eternal Wisdom of Yahweh talking about the Creation of the World.

You will notice that the SPEAKER who is the Wisdom excluded itself from the act of Creation.

26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, Nor the beginning of the dust of the world.
27 When he established the heavens, I was there: When he set a circle upon the face of the deep,
28 When he made firm the skies above, When the fountains of the deep became strong,
29 When he gave to the sea its bound, That the waters should not transgress his commandment, When he marked out the foundations of the earth;

As you can see, if the Wisdom speaking is Jesus Christ and the same Jesus was recorded to be the Creator then who is the HE directly involved in the Creation here?

Just as you rightly pointed out, the description of Wisdom above even Wisdom as God because it claimed "BY ME KINGS REIGN AND RULERS ISSUE DECREES THAT ARE JUST;

[16] BY ME PRINCES GOVERN, AND NOBLES—ALL WHO RULE ON EARTH.

[17] I LOVE THOSE WHO LOVE ME, AND THOSE WHO SEEK ME FIND ME.

[18] WITH ME ARE RICHES AND HONOR, ENDURING WEALTH AND PROSPERITY.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 10:57am On Aug 03, 2024
StillDtruth:
Nairaland is full of neutral bible discussions. But who here is disturbing this peace of neutrality by drawing attention to your group? No other than jw mad max.

And this is in addition to.the fact that jws are liars, which as you see everyone, including muslims and atheists attacks them and points out the fact that you people are Liars.

And instead of madmax to just run.away in shame, he continues to Lie and twist thereby racking up more attacks and insalts.

So it is jw madmax who sets jw up for abuse
You just made a claim here that the JWs are liars....well you may have a point.

Do you know Any religion or denomination that does not lie and is never attacked by any group?

Would it be fair and right as a Christian to expose only the group that lies and not tell us the group that does not lie?

If you are not going to tell us the group or religion that does not lie, would that not mean that there is actually no group or religion that says the truth?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth:
Michael547:
You just made a claim here that the JWs are liars....well you may have a point.
So, no issue here.

Michael547:
Do you know Any religion or denomination that does not lie and is never attacked by any group?

Would it be fair and right as a Christian to expose only the group that lies and not tell us the group that does not lie?

If you are not going to tell us the group or religion that does not lie, would that not mean that there is actually no group or religion that says the truth?
I don't know if the op os jw, but i think this thread also.followed a kumuyi thread another denomination where he said something similar and he got the knocks and attacks.

Same for when Adeboye says shit and also when catholics speak.

So any and all denos are attacked when they Lie.

And in Lies, jws and catholics are the biggest because they and lies are personally merged so when identified persons speak, we know it comes from their buckets of Lies hence immediate attack.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:56am On Aug 03, 2024
Tetraozonaitera:
You dont just jump into conclusion like that.
That was not the Word speaking.
That was WISDOM speaking.
So you don't know that Jesus Christ is the one speaking @ Proverbs 8:22-30 because the Bible referred to him as WISDOM shey?

Well see the verse backing up Proverbs 8:22-30 that Jesus is the same person talking:

However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is....... the WISDOM of God. 1Corinthians 1:24
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 11:56am On Aug 03, 2024
StillDtruth:
So, no issue here.



I don't know if the op os jw, but i think this thread also.followed a kumuyi thread another denomination where he said something similar and he got the knocks and attacks.

Same for when Adeboye says shit and also when catholics speak.

So any and all denos are attacked when they Lie.

And in Lies, jws and catholics are the biggest because they and lies are personally merged so when identified persons speak, we know it comes from their buckets of Lies hence immediate attack.
Ok good with your observations.....
do you know any religion or denomination that does not lie and is not attacked?
If yes, please mention.
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 12:00pm On Aug 03, 2024
Michael547:
Ok good with your observations.....
do you know any religion or denomination that does not lie and is not attacked?
If yes, please mention.
You already know that there is none!
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by Michael547(m): 12:36pm On Aug 03, 2024
StillDtruth:
You already know that there is none!
Alright... good....it therefore means that every other religions are in the same category as the JWs and Catholics.

Now, I notice you teach religious ideas here on nairaland.
Do you speak the truth and never get attacked?
Re: Jesus Christ Is Not God by StillDtruth: 1:58pm On Aug 03, 2024
Michael547:
Alright... good....it therefore means that every other religions are in the same category as the JWs and Catholics.
Oh you mean you place skate boards and bicycles in the same category as trailers and containers? You just abuse and insalt yourself

Jws and catholics are the biggest bible carrying Liars (trailers and containers) and no reasonable compares a trailer to a bicycle or even a car.

Michael547:
Now, I notice you teach religious ideas here on nairaland.
Do you speak the truth and never get attacked?
Its like they born you yesterday.

Is attack the problem? No

or that an attack is valid as justified by the multitude of unbiased and reasonable people attacking? Yes.

Everyone is attackable but not every attack is valid.
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